the back and forth I have seen. good convo. for me, I am supporting the delegates of ron paul until the convention, if he does not win,3i will be voting 3rd party, either johnson or constitutional party. I will have my vote counted by the MSM, I want them to know what power we have/ OHH BTW G J fans, I do not support GJ, it is only a protest vote.
That is the present focus!!! The delegate strategy!!!
to the grassroots one and I will upvote this. Linking to that other site that has one member is an insult to Gary Johnson supporters, an act which is beneath us in this community.
With liberty and justice for all...who can afford it.
Maybe it's the site itself that is an insult, which ironically seems to have been created by a Johnson supporter. Go figure. And then someone thought that they'd create a thread on the DP about a new "activist" site for Johnson supporters a few weeks ago, I guess thinking that people would just flock to it or something. If that's the case, it sounds like Johnson supporters insulting other Johnson supporters, while pissing of a lot of Paul supporters during the process. Funny how clicking on a website created by a Johnson supporter would be "beneath" you, a Johnson supporter. Are you all so hypocritical? If all the Johnson supporters directed their "activism" in a more effective manner, maybe the official Johnson grassroots site would have more than 542 members.
Gary Johnson Grassroots forum - Most users ever online was 75 on Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:37 am
Johnson supporters should not try to use the DailyPaul to try and leech supporters away. That's not respectable. If that's what people want to do, they should at the very least wait until September 1st...Ya know, AFTER we find out who the nominee is going to be.
De criminalize Liberty!
You would say got to DP or RPF. If you want people to go to a place where GJ has support, send them to the GJGrassroots, not some empty site. It is as disrespectful as the GJ trolls on the DP have been. I stand by my original statement. You sink to the level of the GJ trolls just like the OP.
And I like Gary to a point, but I am in it to Tampa for Ron Paul. I have, on numerous occasions, chastised GJ supporters for spamming this forum long before Tampa. If Ron Paul does not get nominated, then we can discuss the future candidates of the liberty movement and not before. We are on the same page in that regard. I just disagree with the condescension displayed here towards fellow liberty supporters. If that is not beneath you as a human being, then you need to take a long look at yourself.
This is the real one. The topic creator is probably not a liberty supporter at all and just trying to stir up trouble.
the "DailyGary" (ya know, the website that has only one member) is not a liberty supporter at all and just trying to stir up trouble
So just go there
Simple Facts and Plain Arguments
A common sense take on politics and current events.
and your dismissive tone expresses your lack of respect for others, which you have displayed time and again since you joined the DP.
First off, I am supporting Ron Paul to the convention and beyond, because he is the best candidate out there. However, I don't think it is healthy to throw everyone out who isn't identical to Dr. Paul, because then you'd be left with nobody. I have a couple issues with Johnson I can't get over, and perhaps someone could correct me.
He is not for abolishing the federal reserve. The Fed is completely unconstitutional and has failed catastrophically by every measure, and yet Johnson supports it? His website says something along the lines of 'it needs more oversight', which puts him in the same part of the political spectrum as Newt Gingrich and Rick perry on that issue.
Also, I am told of his support of 'humanitarian wars'. Other than the obvious oxymoron of labeling murder as humanitarian, how do you explain this away? Is that a mischaracterization of his position, or does he really believe that?
Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito
From Gary Johnson's website www.garyjohnson2012.com:
"AMERICAN MILITARY ACTIVITIES IN AFGHANISTAN SHOULD END, our troops returned home, and the focus of our foreign policy reoriented toward the protection of U.S. citizens and interests. With Osama bin Laden now killed and after 10 years of fighting, U.S. forces should leave Afghanistan's challenges to the Afghan people.
Decades after the collapse of the Soviet Union, American troops remain scattered throughout Europe. It is time to reevaluate these deployments.
Our military should remain the most potent force for good on Earth. To do this, we should resort to military action as the last option and only as provided in the Constitution."
In an interview he was asked if he could imagine a situation where it would be appropriate for US forces to enter another country. He replied that conceivably there could be a situation where for purely humanitarian reasons to rescue people who were going to be killed and US troops going in to save them would be appropriate. However, he said that any such action would require proper authorization as provided in the US Constitution.
Regarding the Federal Reserve, the website states: "Restrict Federal Reserve policy to maintaining price stability, not bailing out financial firms or propping up the housing sector." So he is for much less FED involvement in the economy.
On both these issues I prefer Ron Paul's positions. That is why I supported Ron Paul in 2008 and again in 2012. However, there are a wide range of issues where Ron Paul and Gary Johnson are in agreement. And Mitt Romney and Barack Obama are totally wrong in their positions and will only continue the failed policies that have led us to debt, war and loss of liberty. I hope the Ron Paul delegates at the Republican Convention will get some good planks put into the platform. But Mitt Romney will ignore them when he campaigns and if he is elected as a long line of Republican Presidents have done.
So I am supporting Gary Johnson because he is the closest to my personal views on the issues. He is not perfect but he is far better than Romney and Obama. He has more actual experience in elected office than both of them put together and his track record was of saying no to more bad pieces of legislation than all the other 49 governors combined. So I am doing all I can to get him as many votes as he can to show the world I do not endorse the debt, war and tyranny that is ruining our country.
However, I still don't get how someone who seems like a good guy can be so dead wrong on the Fed. He thinks they should continue to maintain price stability?? The same cartel that destroyed over 95% of the value of the dollar? They are 5% away from an upper bound that mathematically represents the absolute worst possible job they could do. How much worse would they have to do before he can admit they've failed? Can you name one other agency that can fail so epically in its stated purpose and yet still be supported by a logical human? Perhaps by price stability, they mean the upward trajectory of prices will be 'stable' in their never-ending march toward fiscal catastrophe.
And it is perhaps just my own position, but declared or undeclared, the only justifiable war is a defensive one.
There will be no progress until The Fed is abolished and Johnson is woefully ignorant of that fact. "A little bit" of central planning is just as bad as a lot of it because totalitarianism is an inevitability once we set down that road.
That's what city council members are calling Agenda-21.
"Former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Party nominee for president in 2012, tells Newsmax the overriding theme of his White House candidacy is: “Say no to government.”
Johnson believes the United States should abolish the income tax and the IRS, end the war in Afghanistan and the war on drugs, cut tax loopholes and eliminate the jobs of half the lobbyists in Washington.
He also calls for a form of amnesty for illegal aliens in the country and the legalization of marijuana to stamp out violence along the U.S.-Mexican border.
I’m representative of most Americans and I am speaking with a broad brushstroke and the notion that most people are fiscally responsible and socially accepting, tolerant,” he said.
“I’m the only candidate that wants to get out of Afghanistan tomorrow, end the wars. I’m the only candidate that wants to end the drug war. I’m the only candidate that wants to repeal the Patriot Act. I’m the only candidate that’s talking about marriage equality as being a constitutionally guaranteed right. I’m the only candidate that wants to balance the federal budget now, and that means reforming the entitlements: Medicaid, Medicare.
"So there is a third choice and it’s a considerably different choice. I wouldn’t be sitting here right now if I didn’t have a résumé to suggest that I would doggedly pursue the agenda that I’m talking about.
"I do have more executive experience — governmental executive experience — than the other two candidates combined. And for those that would roll their eyes and say, ‘Oh my gosh, all we need is another politician,’ my experience is that I have may have vetoed more legislation as governor of New Mexico than the other 49 governors in the country combined.
“So my experience is saying no to government. No to government spending, no to laws that really would just add time and money for you and I to have to comply with those laws.
“Everybody says, ‘There’s gridlock. We need cooperation between the two parties.’ Cooperation between Democrats and Republicans, that is code for how do we spend more money. I have no intention of spending more money.
As to why he served as a Republican governor but is now running for the White House as a Libertarian, Johnson said, “I really got shut out of the whole debate process. CNN really is the one that set that in stone.
"The message that I’m sending is similar to that of Ron Paul, and my voice is representative of the largest, fastest growing segment of American politics today, the whole Libertarian-leaning, Democrats-slashLibertarian, Republican-slash-Libertarian, Libertarian.
Great interview video with Gary Johnson, Libertarian candidate for President. Great artucke by Jim Meyers and John Bachman
View it here:
I'm tired of people pretending like Ron Paul and Gary Johnson are diametrically opposed to each other in philosophy. Just because Paul is more "pure" doesn't make Johnson a statist. I'm voting for Gary Johnson. What will you do when Paul isn't nominated? Write him in? Why wouldn't you vote for someone who is actually on the ballot?
...we don't like anyone on the ballot? Just a thought. God forbid someone doesn't compromise their principles.
Oh wait I forgot that elections should be treated like sports betting. Pick the guy who's gonna win!
aren't always counted.
Check your state.
Some states require the candidate to register.
I think there are like 6 or 7 states.
There was a map on here I think but I can't find it.
Getting on the ballot doesn't require compromising principals.
Compromising principals is required to win the nomination of either of the two potties.
unless the mods decide to start booting people making divisize posts. However the mods are overworked and underpaid already and it wouldn't be right to "hound" them We are trying to concentrate and all the illegitimate posts are hurting our cause. The best thing we can do is continue down voting and not posting on them IMO
... who knows? Maybe with someone like Sir Nystrom at the helm this new site could go big and become yet another liberty milestone in the r3v0lution... meantime every GJ post needs to go here at this new website and NOT on the Daily Paul. Thank you
FedGov GET OUT of The West
dailygary.com to http://garyjohnsongrassroots.com/ ...This is the actual grassroots website for Mr. Johnson, and it shouldn't get lost in the comments...The dailygary.com is a dummy site someone set up apparently to see if they could siphon off any DailyPaul users. Epic fail, as it still says that the dailygary only has 1 user. If the handful of people here that actually support Johnson OVER Dr. Paul went to his grassroots website to engage in a little "activism", they just might get somewhere. However, they choose to continue engaging DailyPaul users, being disrespectful and misleading, paraphrasing Dr. Pauls words into lies, thinking that they're actually going to accomplish something. I hate to be the type to "call people out", and I won't list all of them, but here are 3 of the most habitual Johnson "offenders" who's threads should be avoided and moderators contacted about if anyone here seriously wants the Johnson threads to stop. At least until the convention takes place. It would be nice if these people took a vacation from the DP until, say...September 1st.
User 2259 has been here 5 years and has made it very clear that he no longer supports Dr. Paul for president.
legalizeliberty on Thu, 07/05/2012 - 20:48
"Ron Paul's campaign was a joke from the start.
It was a big f* joke."
This is not taken out of context, it is a direct quote. And only one of many...
If this member believes that Dr. Pauls campaign was a "big f* joke" to begin with, my personal interpretation of this (and I speak ONLY for myself) is; Dr. Paul was a big f* joke from the start, Our delegate strategy is a big f* joke, Dr. Pauls supporter are a big f* joke, and the Dailypaul is a big f* joke...
This user also told me 2 days ago that he was thinking about asking the owner of the DailyPaul to change the name of the website to the "DailyLiberty" so that it could reflect the "present day situation", implying that Dr. Paul is no longer a candidate. There are tens of thousands of people that visit this site everyday, some of whom are REAL activists, not just leeches. http://www.dailypaul.com/243081/to-the-lazy-non-activists-wh...
Sure. He is no Ron Paul.
I would argue that he is just as good if not better than Rand.
I want Ron to win too but if he isn't on the ballot I'm voting for Gary.
We need to look forward to the next liberty minded candidates to support in the future.
Gary Johnson would be a decent president for liberty.
Ron Paul would be a great president for liberty.
Whether or not you like it Gary Johnson and Ron Paul are on the same team.
That said, I HATE the fair tax.
I would hope congress would keep that idea in check.
It is with the handful of people here that are trying to convince people that Dr. Paul is no longer a candidate. Gary Johnson and Dr. Paul are NOT on the same team. IF the nomination is stolen from Dr. Paul, then perhaps it would be possible to view them as "on the same team"..until then, no thanks.
Everyone here knows it.
Most of us donated to Paul's campaign.
If Ron Paul is the nominee, Gary Johnson would probably drop out and endorse Ron.
The problem is Ron is trying to win a fixed game. Even when he wins, the GOP forces him to lose.
If Romney, Obama and Johnson are your choices, who do you pick?
Many states don't count write-ins unless the candidate registers. Some don't count them at all, unless write-in hits a certain percentage.
It would be harder for a write-in to become president than a third party.
Not everyone donated to Ron's campaign this time. Frankly, I got burned last time by donating the max allowed, attending rallies and marches and then was rewarded with the campaign throwing in the towel early. I still support both candidates, but I'm not giving money this time. I'll give my time instead.
Obama/Romney people. Maybe Rove, or whom ever, for to divide the vote, is a sure fire win for the IDIOT we presently have. Quit thinking Romney is going to win for he is NOT! Paul is going to be the candidate againt the imposter and no one seems to see it. Johnson is just a tiny pawn in the larger picture. Johnson will NEVER be elected. The LP will NEVER be any more than it is.
Can't you understand that the LP is just a derivitive of the two party system. It was created to keep the status quo, the status quo.
The KOCH brothers can purchase every politician in the Republican party. Every Politician in the Demo party. Division is good for BUSINESS>
Ron Paul is a threat for he is for the CONSTITUTION!
This is all a ploy to elect Obama.
1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.
and Ron is on the ballot vs. Obama, you'll see the Johnson posts vanish overnight.
Most of the Johnson posters are probably like me. Paul supporters that don't think the GOP will ever allow him to be the nominee.
I actually wanted Paul to be the LP candidate.
Off I go to cash my check from the KOCH bros.
...what I think as well. And while *they* (the anti-constitution NWO orchestrators) have several prongs in the DP; we are small potatoes now. Slice some of us off and toss them into the HUGE tent that is being build of itsy bitsy impotent parts of the...tada...Liberty Movement.
Here a liberty candidate...there a liberty candidate...everywhere a liberty candidate. This TV conditioned world has no appetite for the patience, perseverance and farsightedness the real liberty movement will require. Yeah, time seems to be running out. But not really. It is just going to be a long battle...and well worth the effort.
Meanwhile, Democrat or Republican...the UN, Agenda 21, etc. plan moves on. The only way is ... exactly what Ron Paul proposes after looking at the landscape for a very long time. Get some placement politically..and think and act locally. Meanwhile, raise your children right.
went to that site and talked about our support for Ron Paul all the time? Or kept saying how we are going to support Ron Paul when Gary drops out?
No wait! LMAO I just checked and there is only one member.
we refer their comments here to that link, without further comment.
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