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Reader's viewpoint: Johnson the only viable option

Gary Johnson is currently the only difference in the 2012 election. Many people are confused and believe that Mitt Romney is different than Barrack Obama, but truly there is no difference. Many people also had the assumption that Barrack Obama was different than George Bush, but soon Barrack Obama became even worse. With this said, the same will happen with Mitt Romney.

Mitt Romney’s flip-flopping positions only shows he cannot be trusted and will change his message according to who his audience is.

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wow

gary johnson sucks knob

The other foot

Tell me, OP, how would YOU feel if (and I say if because WE don't do that kind of thing) Ron Paul 'Trolls' came to a Gary Johnson-supporting website and started giving the NUMBERS FROM PAST ELECTIONS and saying how it is impossible for him to win and all you l's and L's need to back Ron's effort or you just help Obama to a second term? Huh?

Man, I could go off on you with a book's worth of material, but somehow I think you still wouldn't get it.

You represent the Vulture that can't wait for his carcass to finish breathing, and try to 'help it along a little' with that sharp beak...

I, personally, would rather continue fending off the Beasts, and praying for that Rescue Ship to see our S.O.S. in the sand.

We still draw breath,

Ed in the Desert

Rights are like muscles; you must exercise them to keep them fit, or they will atrophy and die.

Can we stop with the Johnson

Can we stop with the Johnson stuff until after the nomination is decided.
If Ron Paul wins the nomination, you can be garunteed he will win the election. If he loses, it doesnt matter who comes along because Obama will be in office for 4 years and probably will be known as the president who presided over the fall of the USA.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

The person that wrote that article

seems to be a two or three issue voter. No fiscal Conservative in his right mind thought Barrack Obama would be better than Bush; different yes; but, in a bad way. Johnson doesn't have any chance whatsoever of winning a single state. He might get over 15% in New Hampshire, but, everywhere else, he won't make 12%. If Ron Paul isn't on the ballot, why should we waste our time and energy trying to get someone elected president we all know has no chance whatsoever of winning. That's a sure fire way to kill the revolution Ron Paul kindled. Think, about it. 90% of Republicans and Conservative-leaning Independents aren't even going to consider voting for anyone that might help Obama get reelected and the free market pitch that Gary Johnson is running on won't go over with 90% of Democrats and liberal Independents. There's liberty candidates in Congressional races that need our help this fall and we could be a much greater asset to them if we give them our full, undivided attention if Ron Paul is not on the ballot for president.

"it isn't about Paul, it's about the message!"

Then why support someone who is pro-Fed?

Ending the Fed is hands down one of Ron Paul's most significant and definitive causes. Everyone on this site knows that the Fed is what enables the welfare/warfare state we all despise, and yet some of these people (the majority of which were 'woken up' by Dr. Paul) have decided theyre going to vote for Johnson, who is supportive of the mission of Dr. Paul's (as well as ours) biggest foe?

As I said in another post, how can I be asked to support someone who is so dramatically oblivious to the Fed's malfeasance and failure? Their dual mandate (stable prices/full employment) has a pretty dismal record: 18 separate panics, recessions and depressions, a 95% devaluation of the dollar, and long stretches of 8% + unemployment, which, as Austrians, most of us should realize is a product of monetary policy, govt intervention, and to a large extent, Fed intervention. Not to mention, in a free market, why would any body pursue a policy of 'stable' prices anyways? Ideally, prices should fall over time, but any centralized price control is antithetical to liberty.

How much worse does the Fed have to do before Johnson wises up? They've already destroyed over 95% of the value of the dollar. They are approaching an upper bound, at which point they mathematically cannot do worse at their stated goal of stable prices. I'm usually pretty good at thinking up reducto ad absurdum arguments, but in this case, that is the Fed. There is nothing more absurd than supporting an unconstitutional cartel which has a 95% rate of FAILURE.

Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito

Either

Johnson is too dumb to understand that free market economics includes a free market in money and banking or he is a bankster tool in libertarian "clothing".

I admire Ron Paul for his adherence to the Constitution ...

and his sharing the vision of the individualistic Founder's vision of liberty...

However as much as I agree with him regarding limited government, sound money, free market and non intervention in foreign policy...

I think he has allowed his religious beliefs to interfere with his judgment when it comes to issues of scientific fact such as the case for the universe being here for 13.7 billion years, the absence of the supernatural, the truth of the evolution of all living things, the right of a pregnant woman to determine whether to carry her pregnancy to term or to end it based on her own decision and her own reasons as her right as a human being takes precedence over a microscopic fertilized ovum which is just a potential and not an actual human being.

Ron Paul approved a message which characterized himself as a "consistent" advocate of individual freedom so he should be defending the right of a grown woman to make her own decisions and pursue her own happiness rather than to impose his religious convictions on her using the power of the State to forbid her.

Gary Johnson does advocate for a woman's right to choose although his shortcoming is that he uses a cost benefit analysis in deciding government policy rather than human rights and non intervention which is the libertarian approach.

The GOP ignored both Gary Johnson and Ron Paul during the debates. The main stream media abhors Ron Paul because their owners rub elbows with the owners of the Federal Reserve Bank who would see the end of their gravy train scam of control of the currency from which they reap huge profits from loaning money to the Treasury.

Jefferson and Jackson knew this and put an end to national banks in their day. Romney still doesn't get it and Obama is all to willing to see the country destroyed in order to establish his version of utopia.

I would want to hear Ron Paul come to his senses and admit that a microscopic fertilized ovum which cannot be seen without a microscope is not a person! It has no rights at all as it is just a single mindless cell which does have the potential to become a person but until it does it is merely a potential not an actual human being. Rand Paul also errs in referring to abortion as killing children. A first trimester abortion does not kill a child nor a baby rather an embryo or a fetus still a potential and not yet an actual human being.

No Man's need constitutes an obligation on the part of another man to fulfill that need.

If life is defined

by size or quality or length of time existing or dependence on another human, then you are saying that other human beings have the right to judge whether or not a human has the right to exist. Surely you must see this slippery slope. This is the eugenicists argument. Then there is the argument that humans are nothing but higher order animals and therefore require even MORE "evolved" and "smarter" among them to cull and manage the herd for the maximum benefit of those decreed "in need" or "worthy". Surely you can see the problem inherent in this argumant as well.
I was once a rabid pro-choice, womens rights liberal. Then I had to admit that an issue I held dear was an evil one. On the surface a "womans right to choose" and do what she wants with her own body seems libertarian. Start to think about the rights of the voiceless, growing human being and the womans right carries no more weight than the unborn. I saw that "womens rights" was a con to separate women from their natural protectors, males in their family.
THAT BEING SAID, the libertarian position (and it was Christs position as well-"live by the sword, die by the sword") must be to not use force to make a womans choice to sin or not sin from her. She must be offered options, support, and women must be educated to question why, if they are indeed only animals, they would choose to do such an unnatural thing as destroying their own progeny for convenience or the "good" of an imaginary collective called "society". Animals generally do not do that.

I suppose life will be an arguement till...

...the end of time. However, I respect and believe Paul's decision on when life begins. He has delivered over 4000 babies and his opinion has more weight than anyone I know on this issue. And as I respect your opinion, I myself, as a woman, disagree with it. Also, as a "religious belief", I urge you to check out some of the atheist pro-lifers. It isn't just the religious folks that believe that way(I'm not an atheist, but respect those who are).

However, we have much more in common when it comes to the cause of liberty and do not wish to argue this matter. Just wanted to say my peace. In love brother in liberty!=)

When does life begin?

.

Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito

Boy!

Talk about a LOADED QUESTION!

Life begins with conception. As soon as the cells begin to divide that is the process of life.

Now "duck and cover" because you will get a thousand different replies to this question.

Indeed

Many 'pro-choice' people are quite sure of when life hasn't started yet, but they almost never provide a date when life begins.

Obviously, if you stab a 30 year old woman in the face with scissors and kill her, that is murder. What if you did the same thing to a 3 year old girl? Obviously murder. What about a 3 month old baby? Obviously murder. What about a new born baby? What about a baby minutes before birth? What about a baby that is premature, but viable? What about a baby that probably isn't viable outside the womb, and yet has fully human features? At what point are you willing to purposefully stab someone/something in the face with scissors to end it's life and not call it murder?

Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito

...

Governments highest mandate is to protect life/liberty where ever it may be found.,

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

Precisely!

"At what point..."

This is common practice in China and it makes me sick to see my country descend to such barbarism.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a "woman's right to choose", but she had damned well better do her "choosing" before she gets herself knocked up. Legalizing abortion has only served to demoralize our country and our women. One only has to look at TV to see the result. It's disgusting to see how debased and depraved we have become.

Yeah, and also...

...a woman can go to jail for doing drugs while she is pregnant because she has a baby addicted to the drugs she did. But if she had the baby killed in the womb before she had it, she would be clear of any charges!=/

Excellent Point!

I had forgotten about that. Thanks for pointing it out.

Well, I will be the first!

I agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How does one

type "applause"? CLAP-CLAP-CLAP!!!

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LL

Stop flaming this site.

I keep on fighting and not giving up

NO ROMNEY FOR ME!

BMD please see my heart!

About time you as a mod prevent Romney bots from flaming here!
Do your job!

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LL

can you even vote here in the US?
can you legally give campaign funds?
if you have no dog in the show,then your opinion
matters not,clean your own house,then ask to clean
anthers',not vice versa
let me try to tell you something
your plugs here are just pissing
people off,if you cannot see this
you should start now
with the constant tribute paid to GJ
by you and a few others here,i would not
ever consider a vote for him
my thinking is this,he must act alot like
you and john ashman,i cannot claim to speak for others
here,but i can see i share their sentiment
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Go and write one of your sappy poems

to Gary and his fans on the Daily Johnson...

Laurelai

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I

am doing my job.

Stop.

as a mod

You suppose to act on the guidelines.
I feel raped here.

Michael who is supposed to be my friend is also silent -- as I am being raped here day after day.

Enough is enough.

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sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
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I am acting on the guidelines

look at your post/comment history.

Enough said. Warning given. You have no special privileges here.

No more than anyone else.

act

act on the guidelines!

Personal attacks are against the guidelines.

They don't just attack me view points -- they attack me as a person.

LL on Twitter: http://twitter.com/LibertyPoet
sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
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Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Get off. It's Paul on this site.

There was no whistle blown. The game's not over. Who are you going to run to when things start looking bad for Johnson in 2016? Are you going to keep hedging your support? That sucks. You quit. You left. I'm not quitting until he says he's done. I've waited thiry five years for this and I'm bringing it.
Thanks though, for steeling my support for Paul.

I'm starting to really dislike

Johnson. If Johnson supporters have to stoop to trolling DP it shows he has no substance or support and has to try to glom onto Ron Pauls. It's kind of pathetic.

Gary who?

.

Logged on just to downvote this.

Poor form Legalize...we are getting tired of this.

"Liberty's too precious a thing to be buried in books...Men should hold it up in front of them every single day of their lives and say: 'I'm free to think and to speak. My ancestors couldn't. I can. And my children will."

-Jimmy Stewart