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Concrete evidence shows US government nuked WTC towers on 9/11

This is from a reliable canadian website. The canadians have been leading the way on 9/11 truth. I know this will be moved to off-topic but as I have said many times...9/11 is the key to the awakening of the masses.

Article:
Foreign terrorists and hijackers didn't attack the US on September 11, 2001 and bring down the World Trade Center Towers – the U.S. government did that using remote controlled military aircraft and planted tactical nukes.

Terrorists didn't take away the freedom, liberty and justice of the American people – the U.S. government did that.

Terrorists didn't draw up the Patriot Act, create the Department of Homeland Security, spy illegally on Americans, launch 3 unprovoked armed attacks against 3 foreign states, abolish habeas corpus, kidnap, deport, torture and murder U.S. and foreign civilians – the U.S. government did that.

Terrorists didn't loot $trillions from US Federal Tax Revenue and give it to the Wall Street bankers – the U.S. government did that.

Terrorists didn't bankrupt the U.S. – the U.S. government did that.

Terrorists didn't create the $15.6 trillion national debt – the U.S. government did that ($13 trillion added by just the last 4 of the 44 presidents of the United States – George HW Bush, Bill Clinton, George W Bush and Barrack Obama – Obama added $5 trillion in just 3 years, George W Bush added $5 trillion over 2 terms, Bill and Hillary Clinton added $1.5 trillion, George HW Bush added $1.5 trillion) .

Terrorists didn't force millions of Americans out of work and onto the street – the U.S. government did that.

Terrorists didn't develop and release the Avian Flu and the Swine Flu – the U.S. government did that.

Terrorists didn't drop nuclear bombs on civilian cities – the U.S. government did that.

Terrorists didn't murder 3 million civilians in Iraq – the U.S. government did that.

Now tell me who is a greater threat to the American people and to the World – a phantom terrorist group called al Qaeda or the U.S. government? Tell me why would you travel thousands of miles to a foreign country to fight and even give your life to protect and restore their rights and freedoms when your own rights and freedoms are being stripped away at home, on US soil, by your government? Who is a greater threat to mankind? Those who have used nukes against foreign and US civilian cities or those seeking to develop nuclear energy.

The American people went off to war to remove by force the leadership of foreign states that were allegedly a threat to their own people and to mankind. The US government justified their murder of those leaders by claiming they eliminated the threat they posed to the US and to the World. However, after the fact, the evidence showed that none posed any imminent or future threat to their people or to any other foreign state. In fact, the evidence clearly shows the World that it is the US leadership who are the greatest threat to mankind and to the American people. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Somalia, and Iran have not and have never attacked the US. It was and is the US government who has attacked or is planning to wage war with Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Somalia, and Iran. The US government is the only leadership in the World to use nukes against civilian cities – not just once but 4 times and twice against it own people, on US soil.

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torsion bars?

I had those on one of my dodges once....are you saying they do not work?
methinks thou art giving a troll a hard time.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=jVnuRA5IGLU...

A square bar in torsion.

So you believe in the pancake

So you believe in the pancake theory, that once one floor collapsed, it fell onto the next and on and on and on until it collapsed each and every single floor?

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Lift slab

Pancake only happens in lift slab construction to the best of my knowledge.

1. erect vertical steel
2. you raise the floors and connect them to the steel in sequence
3. if there is a failure on an upper floor and the connection to the structure shears then it falls collapsing the one below and the next, etc...

L'ambiance Plaza, Bridgeport, CT 1987: http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Painful-memories-3500270...

This article says that L'Ambiance was studied after 9/11 to see if there were similarities. If the twin towers could have pancaked.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

In tomorrow's news...

In tomorrow's news:

"The answer is X!"
"Ah yes, I've heard of X, it is obviously Y."
"Uhhhh..."

Eric Hoffer

Uhhhh? So do you believe in

Uhhhh? So do you believe in the official pancake theory/lie then?

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Towers 1 and 2 were not centrally supported

The design of the towers included a "revolutionary" design where the tower was mostly supported by the outside columns. In the debris pile photos you can clearly see sections of these support columns still attached. There is no way that explsives could have been placed on the EXTERIOR columns without being seen. As for building seven, why would the owner of that building have been brought in on any conspiracy...so he could get double insurance money? There are a lot of fishy things around the event, most I chalk up to garden variety government incompetence, but this is simply far to complex to be a conspiracy. I sure hope some undecided people are not coming to this site for the first time today and writing us all off as conspiracy nuts. Please keep in mind this site supports Dr. Paul, and the liberty movement. If you want to push this 9-11 stuff do it in the proper forum, that forum is NOT here.

Josh Brueggen
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I know as soon as I hear "The

I know as soon as I hear "The design of the towers included a revolutionary design..." that I am dealing with someone who swallowed the government brainwashing hook, line, and sinker. I can't count how many times I have heard that exact line from people denying the inside job of 911. Those exact words are used in multiple "documentaries", i.e. 911 propaganda. You are simply repeating those words.

Towers 1 and 2 had 47 massive box columns in the core - look at any photo of the construction. The 911 commission report and other "official" reports lied and misled people with falsified illustration of the tower design. Do yourself and the world a favor and look at the ACTUAL construction photos.

Take a closer look for your-self.

There is no way that explsives could have been placed on the EXTERIOR columns without being seen.

Watch the lower flowers just below the crumbling debris as the towers fall. Small puffs of dust emanating horizontally can clearly be seen the entire free fall of the the building. It is clear as day.

As for seven...it too was owned by the same man who owned the towers. Who, coincidentally took out a large insurance policy against terrorist attacks only weeks earlier on all 3 buildings.

Dr Paul also supports the free exchange of ideas. There are far more people that reject the official story than you seem to think. Tell me, what films have you seen supporting the hypothesis of an inside job? I suggest...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igX7Z8VstN4

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." Benjamin Franklin

No. The mass and strength was the 47 core columns.

The core supported the whole building and the "skin" provided the safety factor.

When the core collapsed the skin fell.

Free includes debt-free!

I Absolutely..

Agree....on keeping the focus of this site about Liberty and RP. I also believe there is too many fishy things about 9/11, but this is not the place for this discussion simply because it is still, and probably will be for years a very POLARIZING and sensitive topic. I do not want people to associate this site/RP's as being primarily 'a bunch of conspiracy nuts'. I would love to read about it as I believe in many conspiracy theories...but just somewhere else.

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What buildings have you engineered?

I want to know so I'll be sure to avoid 'em.

Undo what Wilson did

None that would matter fireant because Josh

went to school for electrical engineering unless you are worried about being electrocuted or burning to death.

Josh Brueggen

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I performed design and oversaw construction of commercial property construction projects.

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I did some basic power engineering work related to a refinery expansion project.

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Bowling Green High
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November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
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LOL

Ah yes, the old, "He didn't go to school for that so he obviously doesn't know it routine."

Awesome. I'm assuming someone didn't major in logic and reasoning.

Eric Hoffer

Correct

because he negated to tell the fact that his degree is in electrical engineering not structural which in fact was slimy from the get go not that it takes an engineer anyway to see through this bullshit.

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

Here is a List of highly qualified engineers and...

a quick 30 second video that was made by FAMILY MEMBERS of some of the people who were killed on 9/11.

Everyone now has names and links that include ample amounts of verifiable information so those of you who remain skeptical can start educating yourselves about 9/11.

As someone else noted below. The importance for the American people to learn the truth about 9/11 is unmatched in my lifetime and maybe in the history of our country. It has spawned 2 wars which has resulted in over 1 million civilian deaths, it has cost the US taxpayers 5- 10 TRILLION dollars AND it has destroyed the constitution and turned our country into a police state.

List:
■• Dr. John Edward Anderson, Professor Emeritus of Mechanical Engineering at the University of Minnesota, and former Professor of Aerospace and Mechanical Engineering at Boston University.

■• Dr. Robert Bowman, former head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering at the US Air Force Institute of Technology, and the Director of Advanced Space Programs Development (“Star Wars”) under Presidents Ford and Carter.

■• Dr. Joel Hirschhorn, former Professor of Metallurgical Engineering at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, and a former member of the Congressional Office of Technology Assessment’s staff.

■• Dr. Jack Keller, Professor Emeritus of Engineering at Utah State University, who was named by Scientific American in 2004 as one the world’s 50 leading contributors to science and technology benefiting society.

■• Dr. Heikki Kurttila, Safety Engineer and Accident Analyst for Finland’s National Safety Technology Authority.

■• Edward Munyak, a Mechanical and Fire Protection Engineer, who has served as Fire Protection Engineer for the State of California and the US Departments of Energy and Defense.

If you wish to only consider structural engineers, an article quoting 29 structural/civil engineers is published on the AE911Truth.org website.

Architects, likewise, have questioned the official explanation. Some of the more prominent are:

■• Richard Gage, a member of the American Institute of Architects, who formed Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth in 2006 – which by May 2010 had obtained the signatures of over 1,200 licensed and/or degreed architects and engineers on its petition, which says that a new investigation is needed.

■• Daniel B. Barnum, an award-winning Fellow of the American Institute of Architects; founder of the Houston AIA Residential Architecture Committee.

■• David Paul Helpern, a Fellow of the American Institute of Architects and the founder of Helpern Architects.

■• David A. Johnson, an internationally known architect and city planner, who has chaired the planning departments at Syracuse and Ball State universities and also served as president of the Fulbright Association of the United States.

■• Kevin A. Kelly, a fellow of the American Institute of Architects, who wrote Problem Seeking: An Architectural Programming Primer, which has become a standard textbook.

■• Dr. David Leifer, Coordinator of the Graduate Program in Facilities Management at the University of Sydney, and former professor at Mackintosh School of Architecture.

■• Paul Stevenson Oles, a Fellow of the American Institute of Architects, which in 1989 called him “the dean of architectural illustrators in American”; co-founder of the American Society of Architectural Perspectivists.

Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHIj9wzbYGQ&feature=player_em...

There is an old saying

There is an old saying "Architects make buildings pretty, engineers make them stand, architectural engineers play referee."

Architects are in no way qualified to make any assumptions on the structural integrity of 110 story building while it is subjected to an air plane strike and massive fire...

Neither are aerospace engineers, mechanical engineers, fire protection engineers, or 99% of structural engineers.

Asking most engineers to explain the collapse and produce a comprehensive account of all the dynamic forces would be like asking your kid brother to recreate 20 years of googles search algorithms written by some of the brightest minds in the world.

Does one need to be a cow

to understand milk?

And your professional opinion of building 7?

Add to this clip the statement by Larry Silverstein that he told them to "just pull it...and we watched the building fall"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hHI...

Re 911 I hear what you're saying but

it's not as if magicians designed and built the world trade center. Mere humans did. And they might have been among the brightest minds in the world, but they weren't using secret knowledge. Just like other architects and engineers, they operated according to known laws of physics, known properties of materials, etc., with contributions of experts in their respective fields. I think the comparison to a "kid brother" seriously underestimates the collective wisdom and unanswered questions of MANY in similar fields. Maybe there are legitimate answers to the questions. If so, let's hear them. Also, it's not as if those questions appeared in a void. 911 commissioners themselves have questioned the official story.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

No matter who was behind

No matter who was behind 9/11

One thing is for sure that no standing army has been able to defeat the US as badly as the army that attacked us on 9/11.

We lost more of our constitution because of this one single event than any other. To this day we are still losing rights because of 9/11 (NDAA ect..) The war on (the world including US soil) tactic is on going today. I believe this is the longest war America has ever been involved in.

9/11 was planed by a few people living in caves? That would be amazing because all of the SS and the USSR couldn't manage what these few cave people pulled off. Up until 9/11 no attacking force was capable destroying the amounts of liberty once protected by the constitution.

Who won or benefited from 9/11? Who got something? I know Enron execs are happy to see building 7 gone... The guy holding the tower lease got paid double insurance... All the people who placed puts on the airlines made a ton of money... Who else? Did it really do the cave guys any good? Just my 2 cents...

This is rediculous

You think a government that can't run a cash for cars program hijacked multiple airliners, disposed of all the legitimate passengers, and blew up the towers?

...because it would take more than crashing into the towers to get us into a war, right? They would actually have to fall!

I'm as suspicious as the next guy about the federal government, but at a certain point you have to realize that your conspiracy theory is completely implausible.

People that spout this kind of stuff, are used to paint us all in a bad light. I understand that any and every group of people will have it's "lunatic fringe", but I can't help but think that perhaps you are a saboteur.

G

Your need to do some research

Your post isfilled with examples of logical falacies!

The CIA (backops) Mossad ad MI6 are capable of pulling off a 911.

And it is my conclusion that the same cast of characters who pulled off 911 were also responsible for the crash of 2008. Same people and the same location.

It is not the first time that a falseflag has been perpetrated to lie us into war, as recent history shows.

WWI...............Lousitania

WWII..............Pearl Harbor

Vietnam...........Bay of Tonkin

Take the time to watch this: 911 - The Great American Psy-Opera

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEA05F393EC843D80

and decide for yourself. Navite when one is an adult is ludicrous. The truth is staring us all in plain seight. There are no coincidences. Who benefited?

If you read History ..... you would know that falseflags have been perpetrated all down through the ages.

the link you provided

contains a video alleging that the plane didn't hit the towers?
Are you serious?
You actually think a plane didn't hit the towers and all of the videos were faked?!

This is EXACTLY what I was talking about.

It doesn't look like a plane hit the pentagon or the field in PA...so you conclude that it didn't, but if that's the case, then the other two must not have been real planes that hit the towers...yea...you see, it can all be faked.

Step back and look at the whole theory however, and any rational person realizes it is batshit insane.

I believe that two airliners crashed into the world trade towers, therefore there really wouldn't be much need to fake the other two attacks (after careful consideration of all the evidence..and then some major tings being debunked).

Technically we have the same approach, just from opposite starting points.

Although I can't say with 100% certainty that I am right and you are wrong (I wasn't there that day, and I'm sure you weren't either), I can confidently say that I am 99% sure I'm right (and I'm being generous to your theory with that number).

You should be able to look at the situation and come to the same conclusion.

G

Have you ever actually looked at the evidence?

Maybe you should before you dismiss this so easily. What would it mean to you if it was true....would that be something your personal constitution couldn't withstand?

yes

I have seen the evidence.
It's quite convincing (so is the "evidence" that we never went to the moon)...until you get into the "well, if all of this is true, this is what must have happened".
When you step back and look a the entire thing (secretly landing the jets and disposing of the passengers and such), it's pretty silly.
Much of it has been debunked..although some of it hasn't.

I applaud everyone who pulls back the curtains, or digs deep to uncover the truth of a situation, but at a certain point you have to realize that it's waaaaaaaaay too far fetched.

G

Cognitive Dissonance

"I cannot believe, therefore it could not have happened"

?

Poor Refutation

you are omparing apples and oranges.

Who benefited? Follow the money.

And learn how to spell.

And learn how to spell.

your an idiot. wake up to

your an idiot. wake up to reality, buddy.

pgrady
f___ all forms of govt.