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Detroit Electric Victoria gets 211.3 miles on a single charge...in 1910

[...and Detroit says they can't build an efficient electric car???]

Detroit Electric was founded by William C. Anderson of the Anderson Carriage Company in 1907. At the time, Detroit Electric was not the company name, just the brand name for Anderson's new electric car. The original Detroit looked more like a sleigh (or the Curved Dash Olds) than what we might normally think of as an antique car.

By 1907, gasoline automobiles were outpacing electrics in sales, but electrics were holding their own. (And as late as 1899 and 1900, electrics outsold both gasoline and steam automobiles.) It was a real battle - gasoline automobiles were cheap to make, cheap to run, and gasoline could be delivered anywhere a wagon could go. Electrics were expensive, heavy, required charging stations, and could only be driven in areas that had electricity--something not available in many rural communities. However, electrics were quiet and didn't spew out noxious fumes, and more importantly had one thing gasoline vehicles did not--a self-starter.

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When hyperinflation comes...

we should work on developing an automobile that runs on FRN's, there will be an abundance of this worthless material.

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Cars back then

were almost nothing, as far as weight goes. They didn't have accessories, or lights, safety equipment, and drove 15-20 mph at most. If you take a Nissan Leaf or Ford Focus Electric and turn off all the accessories and drive 30 mph or less I bet you'll go at least 300 miles


So, where's our hydrogen cell cars!?

witches have been flying on brooms for centuries

Without using any gasoline. Who is responsible for suppressing this technology?

I always thought they were missing a couple of things

a coil to boost the electric and instead of a battery a transformer would be much better suited to power an electric car.
Tesla used these in alternating current that is how power stations could be so far apart and how it beat out Edison direct current.

I have a question about electric cars

I am sure there are people much more knowledgeable than me that could answer this. I don't know if this would work, but here is the idea. The major problem with electric cars is the storage battery that limits range and the time it takes to recharge. Would it be possible to run and charge an electric car from an electric line embedded somehow in the road? Back in the 30's they had a trolly here called the inter urban, it ran on a third rail that supplied the electrical power. I would think most fuel is used commuting to work. With an embedded power source in the main road your battery gets you to the expressway, once on it your car picks up power from the road to run the electric motor and charge the battery. An electric meter in the car records usage and you pay based on how much you use.

The basic question is this, is there an efficient way to pull electrical power from embedded lines in the road bed?


It would require two electric lines, one live, one ground.

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You have just invented the third rail. See also, trolley.

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They do that with Mass transit you will see overhead trains

running on that principal. If you read about Tesla the Earth can be the conductor with no wires necessary unlimited power.


We are all Rockefellers customer...

Becuase of

big business and government we don't have the technology for electric cars or very fuel efficient gas cars. Back in the 70s-80s this one company made a carburetor that gave gas powered cars like 60-70 miles a gallon. But the oil, gas, and car industry bought it then kept it secret so they could still make the mountains of cash they make today. If I had the money I would get a electric car like this.

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Nothing more than an urban myth

The mythical high mpg carburetor, bought and hidden in an oil company vault. Oft repeated, with nothing but rumour to substantiate it.


My father and Grandfather remember seeing it in a car magazine. But whatever as long as there are big corporations that will regulate all competition out of business, and as long as oil giants want that money nothing will change.

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I think there was some basis for that urban myth

During the early to mid seventies there was a near panic of running out of gasoline. Stations would have huge lines and limit gas purchases to X number of gallons per car. My uncle was a prankster at times, he had a next door neighbor who was totally focused on gas mileage for his newly purchased car. He even had a slide rule he kept in his glove compartment just to figure the MPG. What my uncle did every few days was to add some gas to the guys car, since the car was parked in the driveway right next to his house it was easy to not get caught. When the neighbor brought the car into the dealer for a routine after purchase check up, he stopped adding gas to the car. So the gas mileage went from some high number like 75 MPG to the normal 19. The neighbor was convinced the dealer took a secret carburetor part off the car during the service. I think the plan was to tell him about it, but he was so totally convinced and upset about it, no one said a word to him. LOL

That's a funny story. lol!

That's a funny story. lol!

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Not Necessarily...

Back in the early 80s the first Saturn car got 100mpg, it was never mass produced...

That 100-mpg vehicle has come and gone. It was a two-passenger vehicle with a three-cylinder engine and a five-speed manual transmission. It was developed by General Motors.

The vehicle was designed by the GM Design Staff and engineered by the GM Engineering Staff. It was built by the Engineering and Manufacturing Staffs at the GM Technical Center in Warren, Mich., and was completed in June 1982.

Two engineers drove it from the Tech Center to New York. At its best, the vehicle got 105 mpg highway and 75 mpg city.

It was not mass-produced because federalizing it would have added about 200 pounds for bumper requirements and comfort factors required by the customer.

Because of cost of the added horsepower to drive the extra weight, the target could not be met. GM had to drop the program.

GM initiated Project Saturn in June 1982.

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The world record for a production car is now 96 mpg

The car is, I think, a Volkswagon 1.9ish turbo diesel. I saw a video one day a few weeks ago with a guy complaining that it wasn't available in the US because it got 100 mpg and the next day I saw a press release that the "us built" car broke the record by a US couple who owned it in the US. lol

The car you refer to

Was a concept car which used ultralight materials (fiberglass) which lowered the safety rating, was TINY, and had a low top speed. A city runabout if you will. It may have been practical for European use (and many more small cars are sold there), but not for a country as large as the US. I doubt it would have been legal for highway use. That is why they were never sold, not because GM is covering up the technology.

Engineering and technology students build such ultralight vehicles all the time, many incorporating solar power, and get 1000mpg or even more, but are they practical for everyday use? No. Are the auto-makers and oil companies covering those up? No.

it depends on

what you mean by "mythicaly high". The ford model T (with heavy gauge steel and cast iron parts) got 19 miles per gallon on the lower energy potential of ethanol 100 years ago, whilst the ford excursion (in the modern era of light weight plastics and fiber glass) gets about 11 miles per gallon. If you want to go slower and you want to go lighter, high millage carburetors already exist. Further, I wouldn't discount the plausibility of suppressed carburetor technologies. Expense/patents/government intervention/oil cartels-Who knows what goes on in the industry. Perhaps you just can't stomp on the pedal and take off, and that's not marketable. But, look at the efficiency difference for propane conversions to gasoline engines. Why can a lower energy fuel yield comparable or even higher energy outputs? Part of the reason is that there's more complete combustion because the fuel/air mixture is all in the gas phase. If a carburetor did a good job limiting liquid gasoline from the fuel/air mixture, efficiency would probably go up in similar fashion.

A false comparison

A Ford Model T may have gotten 19 miles per gallon, but at what average speed was this measurement made? It's top speed was 45mph, and was likely driven at an average speed of 20-25mph on city streets

The Ford Excursion is much larger than the Model T and weighs seven times as much. It has a top speed of 111mph and is likely driven at an average speed of 40-50mph on city streets.

If you made a Model T seven times heavier, and drove it on average twice as fast, your fuel economy would be 7 x 2 = 14 times worse. In other words, a Ford Excursion type vehicle using Model T engine technology would get about 1.36 miles per gallon, not 19.

A Ford Excusion might get less "actual" fuel economy than a Model T, but its engine is more than 8x as efficient. It extracts eight times as much energy from the same amount of gasoline as a Model T did. That is a LOT of progress, and it is naive and unfair to deny it.

I was just thinking...

The quality of roads have greatly improved since the Model T -- from dirt cart roads and cobble streets to super highways. So when comparing top speeds of vehicles, this would also need to be taken into consideration.

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mmmm....actually 6.8 times heavier....

Did you read my comment, or were you busy trying to remember KE=1/2mV^2 while looking up the weight of an Excursion on wikipedia. Also, I lied. Efficiency comparisons for propane conversions are subject to compression, operating temperature, valve timing, etc and the Ford Excursion is probably fuel injected. But then again, I'm often naive and unfair about these kinds of things.

The VMC Everest only has a range of about 100 miles per charge..

But you can plug it into any outlet or leave it out in the sun all day and the built-in solar panels will recharge it to full!


My next vehicle WILL be one of these!!!

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The Tesla Model S has 300 mile range...

and can be recharged in an hour.It's an awesome car http://www.teslamotors.com/models If electric cars were as common as gasoline ones "gas" stations would have fully charged batteries waiting so that you could quickly exchange your battery as fast as a gas fill up and then they would charge your battery for the next person. Also even truckers sleep so they would still manly be charged at night or whenever they sleep.

It wasn't gasoline

There is an error in that article. In 1907 cars weren't running on gasoline, they were running on alcohol. Alcohol was easily made and burned clean. It was only later that gasoline entered the market and no one wanted to use it because it was foul smelling and dangerous.

Gasoline was a toxic waste byproduct of all the other more valuable products made from oil. It was being dumped into rivers. Life in the rivers died and many rivers caught fire. Pressure was put on the oil industry to stop dumping gasoline into the rivers and elsewhere.

The Rockefellers then created a great deception and had all production of alcohol stopped under the Prohibition Act. Prohibition was never about reducing drunkenness, this was the guise used. It was always about getting alcohol off the market as a fuel so the Rockefellers could create a market for their toxic waste and later a gasoline monopoly. They succeeded.

You can read more about this in a great book called Alcohol Can Be a Gas by David Blume.


one of the first internal combustion engines ran on hemp oil until the inventor mysteriously died.

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The Rockies and their Monopolies

Insightful commentary. I didn't know that bit about the Rockies. Figures. It's in alignment with many other activities of the time that began industries, foundations of centralized life. "Thanks," Rockies.

I own that book, by the way, but I don't have it with me. How's alcohol worked for your vehicle? I've always wondered if that book gave enough instructions to build a kit for yourself.

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

alcohol = ethanol

alcohol as a fuel, if my understanding is correct, is the same as ethanol. In Brazil all new cars made here are required to be able to run on 100% alcohol. The can also run on 100% gasoline without having to change anything or flip a switch. It's called a "Flex" engine. However, there is no 100% gasoline in Brazil because all gasoline is already 25% alcohol. In the U.S. I think it's 5%.

Cars runs just fine on alcohol/ethanol. It's cheaper, though the fuel efficiency is lower, so it comes out to about the same per mile.

For $1500 you can adapt your car to run on natural gas and the cost per mile for natural gas is much, much cheaper. You'll recover the investment in less than a year. About %% of gas stations provide natural gas and this percentage is growing.

How long did it take to charge?

How long did it take to charge? What kind of power station was required and how much did it cost to build?

The reason gas became popular is because you can fill up in a few minutes and keep going. Imagine if electric won out, it would take weeks to freight something across country...