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July 4th 2013 Liberty Day Challenge

Two directions are possible from this moment on as proven by historical precedent. Either be subjected to suffering by Legalized Criminals and be forced to pay all debts collected in that evil enterprise or move in the direction of Liberty.

Make my day.

How about July 4th 2013?

If by that date the American people, as one, have invented, produced, and supplied a number of competitive legal monies, then those American people will take back their power to prosper, at will, for their own and for posterity.

Sign on in spirit or sign on in actual reality, either way the days will move in a direction and the Legal Criminals score their progress with or without your willful participation toward their goal of absolute despotism.

May God have mercy on our souls.



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Bill Still and Ron Paul appear to be the genuine articles (moral, honest, and competitive) on two sides of a confused conflict.

Then there are those who work diligently to cause more confusion.

Here is where I ask myself, and I ask you, to get in the shoes of someone who is working to maintain their POWER to spend any amount of money they can imagine at any time.

If you had that POWER, then start thinking about the things that you must do to keep that POWER.

You will hire very attractive employees who will then use their attractiveness to accomplish specific tasks.

There will be an absolutely necessary requirement to make any threat to your POWER less POWERFUL.

Ron Paul is on the list.

Bill Still is on the list.

Any person gaining any POWER in any way will be on the list.

There will be a Top Ten list.

If you have the POWER to spend any amount of Legal Money you want to spend, at any time, and you figure out quickly that you must spend your POWER on making your competition POWERLESS, then you will spend your POWER on knowing which people, out of everyone on the Planet, are a threat to your POWER.

That has to be understood, if you don't understand that, then you have no clue.

If you understand that, and you then have a clue, then apply that understanding to these questions.

I think Bill Still can't be bought.

I think Ron Paul can't be bought.

They are still alive.

I think that Walter Burien can't be bought.

Are any of those people on the Top Ten list of people who threaten the POWER of the Single Legal Money Monopoly POWER?

I can't provide the list to you, but I think that they are not on the list. I think that they are on the top 1000 list. I think that you and I are on the Top 10,000 list, or Top 100,000 List.

I think that Gary Johnson is probably on the Top 100 List and therefore he is being turned.

You should know how this works.

Your enemies will give you 1 choice that appears to be 2 choices, and if you are slightly ahead of their POWER you will see 3 choices.

Your enemies are POWERLESS if you see 100 choices and the last 2 choices you entertain before choosing the 1 choice you end up choosing isn't even on your enemies list.

This is the stuff of Maneuver Warfare.

You make the rules, and that means that your enemies are thereby rendered POWERLESS at making the rules.

Does that make sense?

Joe

bear Questions.

"I think that Gary Johnson is probably on the Top 100 List and therefore he is being turned."

How do you know whether if GJ (or anyone) is a "plant" at inception or someone being "turned?"

If someone is "being" turned, how do you know when they have been turned?

It concerns me that there seems to be a big push on the DP for GJ. It concerns me that Friends or the Fight for Liberty is being turned.

So I guess the top 10 list changes as people are turned...or marginalized?

Why are people who cannot be bought still alive? Is it because they are not on the top 10 or have been marginalized?
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It seems I had more thoughts on my mind last week regarding Still and I should have made some brief notes to myself. My memory is so bad I can't even remember what I wanted to talk about...I do know that Banking Institute Meeting Still spoke at this summer was the first one. I don't know who put it together. It seems people are trying to figure out what to do. I am thinking from some of Still's comments that he was a candidate in the Libertarian Party for the presidency run. I don't know how that party works. But what if he was and GJ was sent in to ruin Liberty in the Libertarian Party?

I think another thing I wanted to ask you: How significant do you think it is that the Fed Charter is up next year?

Thanks Joe!

Deeds confess.

"How do you know whether if GJ (or anyone) is a "plant" at inception or someone being "turned?"

This is similar to the question asked about specific Videos, Books, Movies, and other Media, and the answer is to realize how exposure to that specific media inspires you to feel, think, or act.

If the result of exposure to the media, or connection to the person, is for you to become less powerful, by some accurate measure, then you have the vital question answered accurately: yes or no?

"If someone is "being" turned, how do you know when they have been turned?"

Ron Paul MOMENTUM was turned, perhaps not Ron Paul himself, so this is a way of answering the question, to know the actual cause of the resulting condition of power-less-ness.

How much "ENERGY" was generated by the recent Liberty Movement?

What happened when it was noncontroversial, a know fact, that Ron Paul was not going to be the Republican Candidate for President of U.S.A. Inc. (LLC)?

What would have been noncontroversial, a known fact, were Ron Paul to get on the television, anywhere, and say: "I've made a deal with Ben Bernanke, and now I am fully supporting Central Banking, where Ben, and his Corporate Person-hood, have exclusive, and absolute, POWER over all the Legal Money owned by anyone, anywhere, within the Jurisdiction of the Federal Government of U.S.A. Inc. (LLC), and thank you to all those who have supported me up to this point, and thank you to all those who have been, are, or will be involved in working toward greater LIBERTY."

What would be painfully obvious at that point, where that to happen?

How would you feel, after hearing Ron Paul speak those words, were that to happen today?

"So I guess the top 10 list changes as people are turned...or marginalized?"

Again, from a Power Principle Perspective (Joe's Law), this is easy to see, since Destructive Power does not ask such questions, since everyone is always BAD, and therefore no one is ever Trusted, and power is always used to destroy power, and the source of power are those moral productive people who operate on Productive Power Principles, such as spirituality, equity, the golden rule, etc.

The Legal Criminals have a different Top 10.

The non criminals seek cooperation, honesty, and their top 10 are those who can help turn less productive power into more productive power, and "turning" people isn't even an option.

You don't resort to deceit, threats of violence, and violence when you offer instructions in scripture, or The World of God, generously, to other people.

Don't confuse the two.

They look for Top 10 deceivers, bullies, and violent people, to be among them.

If we could borrow their Top 10 list of Friends of Legal Crime, then we have our most powerful enemies, then we merely avoid them, and we have more power to use in making more power.

Their Top 10 is our best Friends of Liberty.

See?

Don't confuse the two, if you are confusing the two.

Back to your question:

"So I guess the top 10 list changes as people are turned...or marginalized? "

Certainly: when Legal Criminals are rendering their enemies powerless, the most powerful enemies they know about, are rendered powerless, then, logically, they have a new most powerful enemy to then be rendered powerless.

That is not the same thing as you sharing your knowledge concerning The Word of God, to people who may want to know better.

In other words, you have a life to live, things on your to do list, and among those things, you have to watch out for someone attacking you, and you have to avoid them, or you will be forced to be injured, or you will be forced to defend yourself, but for the most part you associate, connect to, and share things with friends who are similarly not working the something for nothing angle (crime), similarly not sharing the best ways to deceive other people, threaten other people, and violently destroy other people.

Your Top 10 is almost on another planet.

When speaking about the Top 10 Legal Crime list, where Legal Criminals are working on rendering those Top 10 people powerless, they have options that are not even on your to do list.

1.
Make a deal with the powerful opponent of Legal Crime, rewarding the opponent with any amount of money imaginable, to stop fighting against Legal Crime.

2.
Threaten the powerful opponent of Legal Crime with the worst possible threat imaginable, any act that can be purchased by any amount of money, any form of torture imaginable in the mind of the worst example of human being alive today.

3.
Violently make good on the threat, or violently dispose of the powerful opponent of Legal Crime.

How many people are easily turned with option 1, and that isn't even the whole story.

There is another option used by Legal Criminals.

How easy is it to make a powerful opponent of Legal Crime misdirected and powerless as the powerful opponent of Legal Crime is made to think wrongly by some application of deceit in the form of an attractive person who is employed in the work of deception?

There are many cases of powerful people having a connection to an "adviser" where the powerful person is "advised" to do wrong things while they are "convinced" in the right of the things done.

Look up, for one example, a person known as Edward Mandell (Colonel) House.

So there are 4 options, three are obvious, and one only works if it is hidden.

Anther thing done by Legal Criminals is to set Sons against Fathers, wife's against husbands, brothers against brothers, and why not, that is the name of the game, the point of Legal Crime.

Power used to destroy power.

That is a world apart from power used to make power abundant.

Two different worlds, and confusing the two is not done by Legal Criminals, they know better, it is powerful to know better, and they will spend the power they have making other people confuse the two - obviously.

Who produces deceit, and why?

Even simple terms, not in the terms of a few men sitting around a table conspiring to rule the world, or some other diversion, simple terms, who, for example, produces false advertizements?

The people spending the money on false advertizements know that they are "turning" people, that is the name of their game, but do you do that, do you go around "turning" people that way, resorting to deceit, to get something for nothing?

Two different worlds.

Don't confuse the two, if that is what you are doing.

"Why are people who cannot be bought still alive? Is it because they are not on the top 10 or have been marginalized?"

I don't think that we, or anyone we know, will ever know the names, addresses, and current locations of the most powerful 10 Legal Criminals or the names, addresses, and currently locations of the most powerful 10 people who are on those 10 Legal Criminals Top 10 Enemies List, so, it is vital that we separate that knowable fact, that we won't ever know, from any other specific POWER STRUGGLE in view.

To be ambiguous is to be powerless.

Who can you speak about concerning any specific "turning" of any kind?

Gary Johnson?

Once you sent to me the information offered by Bill Still that case is closed as far as I am concerned.

Gary Johnson can be trusted to work against Liberty, in my opinion.

Ron Paul, in my opinion, can be trusted to work toward Liberty

I can be wrong.

What is at stake?

Is it worth expending your power to be ambiguous?

"But what if he was and GJ was sent in to ruin Liberty in the Libertarian Party?"

Business as usual. Which business? Don't confuse the two.

1. Liberty
2. Legal Crime

Who gains what when anyone confuses the two?

"I think another thing I wanted to ask you: How significant do you think it is that the Fed Charter is up next year?"

How about a Top 10 significance list for me?

1.
Me doing the right thing every moment and all the demons and all the angels involved in my head as this power struggle continues.

2.
Those closest to me avoiding injury, suffering, and misery while they are still alive.

3.
Any moment NEWS can reach me as reports of the latest False Flag (October Surprise) Event being staged and the newest one can turn out to be the worst ever.

4.
I can't even think now, I have this present writing assignment, a welcome thing, and then I have a list of other things to do, and so I'm going to end this with a word or two on the Side Show of The FED somehow being rendered POWERLESS because of a date written down on a piece of paper.

Legal Crime Power is not going to significantly reduce when the date on that piece of paper arrives.

What if The Friends of Liberty were to set their own date and when that date arrives we will no longer provide the means by which we suffer?

Joe

Quick Question Turned in to Several

Me, the one that doesn't want to give up on anyone...was making an effort to post that Still video on GJ promoting posts. I feel the need to alert people. I don't want to see Friends of Liberty co-opted. I want to at least try to get the news out there that this could be a co-opt. What do you think about me doing that? I will create enemies and may be divisive.

I spent an hour and half watching/listening to a video while doing chores, and resting abit. The stupid thing started with Ron Paul, had a bunch of stuff about the police state and NDAA/Patriot act/Foreign Wars. I thought the info was pretty much right on. The stupid thing ended with GJ. I feel like it is a bait and switch, and it makes me feel cheated.

GJ will not secure liberty for the unborn.
GJ does not advocate keeping the fruit of ones labor
GJ does not advocate the marriage issue being a states issue.

GJ is not Ron Paul and I am afraid the Liberty Party is being used to steal Liberty...as a 3rd option for those seeking a 3rd party.

What can be done?

And one more thing. What are the demons and angels in your head? Do you want to talk about that at all?

I have cold soccer game to attend to night (I do not like the cold and I am sorry to say, I wish I didn't have to endure, but I will because my son is playing and he wants to play...see is that involuntary or voluntary? If I had my personal desire met I would not go, but I go for him because I am his mother and I love him more than I love myself. But my love for him does not make me want to go. I'm conflicted. That is the kind of stuff I don’t understand when it comes to voluntaryism. )

Oh and my oldest!!! Won the BB Gun shooting contest and doesn't even shoot! He has a good eye! Jeff said he split the last target like Davy Crocket LOL.

The other thing...our house guest is a neocon, but at least he didn't care if I unloaded on him last night. He is 25 yrs military retired. Thinks it is ok to torture and doesn't like Ron Paul's foreign policy and is going to vote Romney even though he doesn't like him. When I told him Obama/Romney were a choice between Hitler & Stalin, he told me I had to choose my poison. It made me think of the conversation we had were you said a person needs to have a 3rd or 100 options. I told him I was going to choose any poison. I was going to vote my conscience. (Probably Goode at this point.)

Anyways the other thing, you said we should have options our enemies don't even know about so we are the ones in control. Don't you think those enemies have 100 options too concerning us?

Why do you trust Bill Still?

I feel like a child with all of these simpleton questions...Thank you Joe!

Again Powerful Questions

"What do you think about me doing that? I will create enemies and may be divisive."

I think the same answer is provided the same way. Information is being offered, generously, and if the information is competitively factual, then the result will be greater POWER of awareness, this Truth will Set you Free Stuff, and so who is going to be rendered less powerful by your efforts to offer, generously, this information if it is true?

If it is not true, in seems to me, the response due to you is a favor, a generous act, for someone else to clue you in, help you to know better.

Who is going to complain, and why, and what constitutes the replies that you are due, or the replies that you do not welcome, what constitutes the replies whereby someone else may resort to deceit, threats, or other things in reply to your generous offerings of information?

"What do you think about me doing that? I will create enemies and may be divisive."

I think that you are being competitive, generous, righteous, good, vital, effective, and accurately measurable as a true Friend of Liberty in a genuine sense - not a counterfeit sense of the meaning of Liberty.

If your competitive, and generous, offerings of vital information is met with unwelcome responses then you have enemies of liberty known, but that does not mean that you created those enemies.

You or I or anyone does not create enemies by offering information, the enemies are already there, and now you know better, as do they, concerning which side of this Power Struggle you Stand - firmly.

Is it your desire to fight this battle from a hidden position in the dark?

Is that even possible?

Which side are you on?

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GJ will not secure liberty for the unborn.
GJ does not advocate keeping the fruit of ones labor
GJ does not advocate the marriage issue being a states issue.
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Those are merely the known, stated, positions, and anyone can say anything one minute, and do the opposite thing the next.

Who comes up with actual, workable, solutions that can be done by a specific date?

1.
End the FED by next July
2.
End the IRS by next July
3.
Bring the Troops Home by next July

If there are more competitive things to do by a more competitive date in reality, then where are these things to do on these more competitive dates?

I isn't hard to figure out Friend from Foe from DUPE.

I was thinking this today, on my way to visit my mother, as we two, my mother and I represent the generations of dupes, and somehow I managed to wake up, what about the next generation?

Friends of Liberty
Friends of Legal Crime
Dupes

They will be the power that defines the answer, not us, we are perishable in our time.

"I do not like the cold and I am sorry to say, I wish I didn't have to endure, but I will because my son is playing and he wants to play...see is that involuntary or voluntary?"

Please try better to avoid confusing the application of the word voluntary to be either/or a Lawful Collective Sum Total Human Peer Pressure sense, as in "government", or an individual, within yourself, sense of judgement.

You, yourself, has the power, exclusively, to decide to go to the soccer game, or not go, and you can prove it, flip a coin, base your exclusive decision on a coin toss, and you either go, or you don't go, based upon your choice to do what random selection decides, as the coin toss decides the matter, and you decide before hand to either go or not go, based upon that coin toss.

If you find out that you can't even honor your own decision, you can't even do as you tell yourself to do, then who, or what, decides these things for you?

That has to be understood in that context, as it is your personal battle with your own, exclusive, will power.

That is not the context of Political Economy and the Power Struggle between Liberty and Legal Crime where you have no choice but to pay involuntary taxes.

If you have to move to another Despotism, outside the reach of The Dollar Hegemony, to avoid paying Federal Income Taxes with Federal Reserve Notes, then that is a tax imposed upon you by them, your have to expend the costs, pay that tax, in that way, and that is far and away a different application of the word "voluntary".

See?

Why confuse one with the other?

1.
Your control
2.
Not your control

You can flip and coin and either go or not go to the soccer game.

Can you stop paying involuntary taxes to Legal Criminals?

"I told him I was going to choose any poison."

How simple can it get to accurately identify a true Friend of Liberty?

Do you pay Federal Income Tax payments with Federal Reserve Notes?

Is that your choice?

Are there any alternatives, let alone 100, since one way or the other you will be paying involuntary taxes to criminals with badges until enough Friends of Liberty act in unison, on their own power of will, in time.

"Anyways the other thing, you said we should have options our enemies don't even know about so we are the ones in control. Don't you think those enemies have 100 options too concerning us?"

No.

They have 3 options, but many variations of the same 3 options:

Deceit
Threats of Violence
Violence

Your neo-con visitor is either a victim of deceit or a willful criminal with or without the badge, but the same 3 things are at work.

"Why do you trust Bill Still?"

Innocent until proven guilty.

Where is the proof of his guilt?

Does Bill Still advocate torture?

Does Bill Still lend moral and material support, willingly, so as to cause torture to innocent people ("collateral damage")?

"I feel like a child with all of these simpleton questions...Thank you Joe!"

Please consider shedding, if possible, those feelings, you are accurately measurable as a true righteous human being, stand like one more - please.

Joe

Bug bear Bugging Josf

http://www.dailypaul.com/258570/this-effort-to-get-ron-paul-...

I wish I could write in Ron Paul. I think you can in Cali. Just passing this along in case you are intersted.
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No interest

There was a time when, to me, there was a wild card chance that the Liberty Movement could go viral this Election Cycle (Psycho).

Where enough people actually realize that we are no better than The Nazi "tax payers" were, but there is still time to turn this thing around, but that did not happen.

I even registered Republican and voted in the primary on the wild hope that this may be the time when the spark lights the fuse and the snow ball of Liberty starts accelerating down the hill picking up all The Friends of Liberty along the way.

The spark can happen today, but it won't be me writing in Ron Paul here in California.

I like Produce 1 and Product 2, and I can explain how that works whenever there is a demand for it.

Over time the Power Struggle has been gaining momentum slowly on both sides, and unfortunately that is similar to tectonic plates moving against one another where the result is a cataclysmic earthquake.

A Ron Paul Presidency could have, conceivably, slowed down the progress in the wrong direction, which then could become progress in the right direction, conceivably, but that did not happen.

What now?

You tell me.

I have Product 1 and Product 2 to offer.

I don't have money.

I don't have youth.

I don't have absolute control over my children, and they are their own precious selves, so I can't offer them either.

Vote?

I just went to Jury Duty.

Deception is still in high demand.

That has to turn into a high demand for accurate accounting.

There are no short cuts.

Joe

Vote?

No, help someone who is trying to do something for Liberty...they are trying...they are trying hard...maybe you will make the difference? Yes, you: one person. Just like Ron Paul: one person.

1+1 = 2
2+1 = 3
3+1 = 4

That is how Liberty will be won? Will you be one?

OK, I am ducking now.

Yes

I am voting right now.

A tactic is routinely employed by Legal Criminals whereby they steal power from their victims and then they invent counterfeit versions of useful things to do so as to keep their victims rendered powerless.

Example:

Actual voting consists of an expenditure of power by the voter whereby that power is then productively employed in the work required to invent, produce, or maintain what the voter desires to be invented, produced, and maintained.

Federal Income Tax Payments, if they were real, and not counterfeit, for example, would be payments of power made from State Governments to a Federal Fund whereby all the State payments from all the States voting in this way are collected.

See?

Before any State votes there is no Federal Government.

Then a State votes, in the form of a payment, and then power flows to the Federal Government thereby creating a Federal Government POWER.

See?

Do you pretend to vote or do you really vote?

Which is it?

Joe

Oh

I've been pretending my whole life...to be voting...starting with Reagan.

But I am not ready not to vote. I just cannot understand not voting yet, besides:

"Actual voting consists of an expenditure of power by the voter whereby that power is then productively employed in the work required to invent, produce, or maintain what the voter desires to be invented, produced, and maintained."

If all the people who do not desire the right thing are the only ones who vote, then what will the invention be?

That is the problem I have. You are taking me down the Rockwell opt out of voting road? Ron Paul depended on voters in Texas to elect him to Congress. He has invented (re-invented) a Voice for Liberty in our time?

How do we know the future? What if all the good people of Texas had not elected Ron Paul to Congress...or what if Ron Paul has been a 30 year hoax (just like my voting life) and we are all outed as contrarians? That my friend has been my concern from the beginning.

And I think Jesse Ventura is right along with them with his Jimmy Hendrix? shirt? And earlier this week Gary Johnson was running around in a peace sign t=shirt under a sports jacket...to much marketing to a target audience for me.

Still, I would be proud to be able to write Ron Paul's name in and have the last word in the matter. You in Cali can do that. Me in MO, we have sore looser laws and additionally the ballot can be tampered for another candidate who will get presidence if on the printed ballot.

What a pig stye of a mess.

I have to get ready for another soccer game now...2 in one week. But I cannot role the dice...love consrains me to show up for the son I love no matter how much I do not want to go. I spent most of the day yesterday being wind blown at a corn maze while freezing to death. I didn't realize how tiring the wind blowing was until I got in the car! It was a funny feeling.

OK Josf, never mind the voting bit. I had to have my 2 cents and you can have the last word.

Let me know when Product 1 and 2 are ready. I want to be your first customer, unless you have others already in line. I was listening to something this week about QE3 and the fed is going to be printing money out of thin air and buying up mortgage backed securities and then doing something with them. I can't remember who I was listening to and what they were going to do with them, but it was quite the ponzi.

I have my other post finished, but didn't want to inundate you all in one day...I guess I could put it out there so you can have it and deal with it in your time.

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Behavioral Modification

"If all the people who do not desire the right thing are the only ones who vote, then what will the invention be?"

On the level of a City or Town Election there may be very many cases where votes are accurately counted, I don't know. When I read about Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports the concept of accurate voting done by people on the City level began to make more sense, as your words appear to be making sense in the same light.

Those who are "in" on the abuse of government, turning government into Legal Crime, as in the ongoing Fraud that is well documented with Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports, but seriously, please think about this, as to what people who are "in" on the abuse of government are willing to do once they are RED HANDED in this specific Fraud in progress, even on the City or Town level?

If they are already guilty of fraud, and they know it, how difficult is it to cook the vote counting, when they already have cooked the tax books?

If voting is going to be done then are you willing to make sure that your vote, and every other vote, is counted accurately?

People have done that, and their findings are decidedly, unambiguously, such that the votes are not being counted correctly, and therefore, reasonably, there are people going to trial and people are are being convicted of fraud right?

No, you might say, at least not in your city, while there are well published accounts of other cities where frauds are being accused or even convicted and then they are dealt with how?

They are no longer given the license to steal more, but they keep their golden parachutes?

Meanwhile a church full of people who did not pay the proper tax on a few guns is raided, tortured for months, shot, burned to death, heads cut off, and they are piled up in commingled masses of meat and all that is OK, cause this is U.S.A. land of the Free, where we get to pull levers, punch holes in cardboard, or speak our minds to the very few who are actually paying any attention to what is really going on?

I get the concept of wanting to do something. I don't get the concept of doing something that is counterproductive because sometime in your life someone told you that it was the right thing to do, and perhaps once it was, in one place or another, but we are now no better than the Nazi's, and this is not controversial, this is well established fact.

Torture is now legal, and high paid liars call it "Extraordinary Rendition" or "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques", and who, look around, keeps sending those evil people more "votes" that do count?

Sure, there are people who willfully volunteer to hire torturing mass murderers, as good as any Nazi that ever lived, but most people, including most people in Germany during the Nazi regime, have had their behavior modified to accept wrong for right.

You know better.

Now what?

Which votes count?

"If all the people who do not desire the right thing are the only ones who vote, then what will the invention be?"

Legal Torture and Legal Murder on a Massive Scale is the product of all that voting right now, so where are these people who are inventing this torture, and this mass murder, where are these people who are producing it, and where are these people who are maintaining it?

Here is another book you may not ever read:

http://www.amazon.com/Voices-From-The-Third-Reich/dp/0306805944

That is an oral history of average people in Germany during the Nazi regime, and it is written by one of the German Fighter Pilots who were among the ones rebelling against the Nazi regime during the war.

The Military almost regained some moral control over the Legal Crime regime in that time period. We are in that position now.

What is it going to take?

Voting?

Which votes count?

"That is the problem I have. You are taking me down the Rockwell opt out of voting road? Ron Paul depended on voters in Texas to elect him to Congress. He has invented (re-invented) a Voice for Liberty in our time?"

Not at all. If you are going to vote then are you going to make sure that your vote counts?

When I voted for Ron Paul in the primary, on your welcome advice, I asked the lady at the table a question.

"How do I know that my vote will be counted accurately?"

She assured me that it will be counted because the box will be taped shut.

I know better than that, but how likely is it that my efforts at that point to prove that my vote will be counted accurately will be met with very effective FORCE applied to me to shut up?

When I hear anyone lie to me I begin to get agitated and I raise my voice, and this runs in the family.

What do you think will happen if I start an effort to make sure my vote is counted in a Presidential Primary? This is not a far fetched question, there are cases well documented concerning the police, arrests, broken fingers, broken hips, etc.

If you are not prepared to ensure that your vote actually counts, then what is the point in voting (in the way you are told) based upon the ample INCULPATORY evidence that proves, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the votes are not counted accurately?

I am not saying don't vote, I am saying that votes have to count for votes to be any force that could defend Liberty.

"How do we know the future? What if all the good people of Texas had not elected Ron Paul to Congress...or what if Ron Paul has been a 30 year hoax (just like my voting life) and we are all outed as contrarians? That my friend has been my concern from the beginning."

Ron Paul can't be a hoax unless the Federal Reserve is actually worthy of good credit, how can that not be obvious?

If the criminal, who is secretly stealing all the blood out of your body, wants to keep doing so, does it make sense for the criminal to hire someone to let you know that the criminal is secretly stealing all the blood out of your body?

That is absurd to me, unless you can see past my ignorance.

"And I think Jesse Ventura is right along with them with his Jimmy Hendrix? shirt? And earlier this week Gary Johnson was running around in a peace sign t=shirt under a sports jacket...to much marketing to a target audience for me."

Jesse Ventura does not inspire much in me either other than my opinion that he is honest, like Ron Paul, but I don't know if Jesse Ventura would End the FED, End the IRS, and Bring the Troops Home, because he doesn't say so, as far as I know. Ron Paul has those things on his list of things to do, as far as I know.

How about an illustrative scenario for you?

You are one precious minute away from having the loves of your life horribly destroyed and in that minute you can choose between two possible methods of saving them, and one method will be the one that works, and the other method is counterfeit. You have before you 2 people giving you advice and one person does not look attractive to you, and they say things that you don't like to hear, while the other one is very attractive, and their words are like music to you.

Does the appearances of the messengers have anything to do with your ability to judge the accuracy of the message?

I thought about that today. I never buy my own clothes, and my wife stopped buying me clothes, we are not poor by any means, but we are fighting to reduce the rate we are going further into debt, and my clothes are rags. I went to work to day to the Real Estate office and one of the Agents there, a life long Republican, so far as I can tell, and she looked at me, and I thought I saw a level of disgust concerning my appearance.

So I think, and I wonder, and I can use my brain in ways that are not typical, and that scenario, that illustration, is what I came up with, so I didn't run to the store and buy some clothes. I went into the office, made out the deposit slip, entered the numbers into the computer program, went to the bank, and moves the zeros around.

What if Jesus is not so good looking this time around?

I don't know.

What if Jesus is given a peace sign t-shirt, and it being cold at the time, so it was a generous gift.

No, Jesus, doesn't want to send the wrong message, no thanks, I'll wear nothing, but thanks?

"Still, I would be proud to be able to write Ron Paul's name in and have the last word in the matter. You in Cali can do that. Me in MO, we have sore looser laws and additionally the ballot can be tampered for another candidate who will get presidence if on the printed ballot."

The combined power of Liberty, from all people who demand it, will win, eventually, or this Human Experiment will fail. You have your way of seeing the same thing, I suppose, and I think we all do, on one level or another, if these truths are not willfully removed from our conscious minds, removing our consciences with the effort, or unless such UNDERSTANDING is beaten out of us, by other people, or by illness, or accident, or old age, whatever.

Vote, sure, if it makes you feel more powerful, then that might turn into even more powerful voting, in ways that count?

Last word?

How about some famous last words?

Power produced into oversupply reduces the price of power while purchasing power increases because power reduces the cost of production.

Joe

Good Words

“No, you might say, at least not in your city, while there are well published accounts of other cities where frauds are being accused or even convicted and then they are dealt with how?”

Josf, at the primaries a voting computer was available for the first time. We have a town of 700. Granted there are people in the countryside that come in to vote, but we have never had electronic voting. We always have the paper ballot to darken circles for the selected candidate. The stupid machine started making a lot of noise while I was waiting in line. The guy handing out the ballots said no one had even used the machines…I have my questions about why all of the sudden a voting machine has appeared in our little town. But of course, like the good, patriotic, freedom loving American I am…I have do nothing about it except have Jeff tell me to quiet down when I was questioning and stating my thoughts…loudly…while in the voting line. See I can get into trouble too…when no one is lying to me. I can just see what I think is a lying machine in a corner and start in on it.

“Meanwhile a church full of people who did not pay the proper tax on a few guns is raided..."

So is that what all that was about…taxes on guns?

“Which votes count?”

When I asked my question about voting…I had forgotten all about the voting count issue. There is so much to keep in mind and so much already brainwashed into my mind.

I noticed these words on Michael Nystrom’s signature line: “The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function. - F. Scott Fitzgerald’

They made me think of you. You are able to see both sides and remember the first principles and act upon them. Here I am knowing that vote count is a fraud and still wanting to go thru my old routine of voting even though this year I want to vote my conscience.

“Here is another book you may not ever read:”

You have my MO, do you?

But really, this book looks like one I would actually read. I read 2 WWII Germany books last year. For some reason I have always been attracted to the subject.

“The Military almost regained some moral control over the Legal Crime regime in that time period. We are in that position now.”

Was that why the night of long knives happened?

“Not at all. If you are going to vote then are you going to make sure that your vote counts?”

I don’t even know where my votes go. It is hard for me to imagine that I have gone and cast my ballot all these years and never even considered the fact that the counts are manipulated. I suppose I should learn how the process works here in our small town and in our county and state.

“When I hear anyone lie to me I begin to get agitated and I raise my voice, and this runs in the family.
What do you think will happen if I start an effort to make sure my vote is counted in a Presidential Primary? This is not a far fetched question, there are cases well documented concerning the police, arrests, broken fingers, broken hips, etc.”

I know, there are a lot of things I do not do because to do them I know my personality, that I mostly keep hidden, would come out and bite someone. I am not diplomatic and I do not couch my words. It is better for everyone when I stay quite.

“Ron Paul can't be a hoax unless the Federal Reserve is actually worthy of good credit, how can that not be obvious?”

I will try to remember that. I think you have told me before.

“Does the appearances of the messengers have anything to do with your ability to judge the accuracy of the message?”

Oh I hope not. But I think that Jesse and Gary have been “dressed” for their audience. I was not discounting the clothing they were wearing or the symbols on them. I don’t care what they have on their shirts. It just looked contrived to me. It looked like they were being marketed to a target audience. Of course if GJ always wears peace signs and I just don’t know it, then I am wrong.

“I thought about that today. I never buy my own clothes, and my wife stopped buying me clothes, we are not poor by any means, but we are fighting to reduce the rate we are going further into debt, and my clothes are rags. I went to work to day to the Real Estate office and one of the Agents there, a life long Republican, so far as I can tell, and she looked at me, and I thought I saw a level of disgust concerning my appearance. “

My banker sister has out grown her clothes and I have under grown mine so she has given me hers…she, is a shopper so you would think I would have gone thru my new wardrobe…not. I found a single pair of black slacks to replace the ones that are now too big for me and I have worn them to church 2 weeks in a row now. Personally, that is another thing I like about the Amish…they don’t have to decide what to wear. It all looks the same and their clothes are “adjustable” as they change size.

“So I think, and I wonder, and I can use my brain in ways that are not typical, and that scenario, that illustration, is what I came up with, so I didn't run to the store and buy some clothes. I went into the office, made out the deposit slip, entered the numbers into the computer program, went to the bank, and moves the zeros around.”

Josf, you are so funny :)

“What if Jesus is not so good looking this time around? “

That will be ok because: John 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

I will not have to recognize his looks. I will know his voice because I am His.

“What if Jesus is given a peace sign t-shirt, and it being cold at the time, so it was a generous gift.”

I don’t think Jesus is concerned with outward appearance. It is the heart he looks upon. He was hung naked on the cross.

"How about some famous last words?
Power produced into oversupply reduces the price of power while purchasing power increases because power reduces the cost of production.”

These are your words too:

“I think there is a serious error in failing to know that the current government is counterfeit, or crime made legal, and therefore the concept of defense against crime is falsely viewed as being morally wrong, as morality and legality are confused by that bait and switch routine.”

You have many good words that are appreciated by me.

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Test

I don't know, now, if this is going to publish on this forum. This is a test.

This actually exemplifies what I tried to say in the post below this post, as there appears to be many ways in which accurate communication from one person to another person fails.

I saved the edited version of the reply below, so I have it, but there appears to be no way, as yet, to get publish that edited version

Joe

Words in Mind

Josf, are you wanting to edit your Friend from Foe post below? I am not understanding the Test Post. Anyways, I am looking forward to responding below. Should I go a head and respond? I know we have another post going to so I am probably supposed to respond there first, but I have words for the one below already in mind :)

Please

Start at the top of the page.

Start a new post. I will understand your side of the discussion if you use quotes as usual.

I did try to edit (my routine is to edit many times) but the error messages foiled that effort.

The words from Solzhenitsyn concerned the subject of the free flow of information (entropy/ectropy) and I thought it was significant, coincidental, a case of poetic justice, ironic, unexplained, or even significant in some way that I don't know, when the error messages started censoring my efforts to improve the response offered.

If I see something (I don't even know if this will publish) worth cutting and pasting from the unpublished words saved in a Word file, then I can give that a try after you respond at the top of the page?

Joe

Friend from Foe again

"See I can get into trouble too…when no one is lying to me."

Can I clarify my own story by saying that the lady at the voting table where I voted in the Primary was probably a lady that thought, in her own mind, that the votes would be counted "officially" by the correct "officials" and none of those "terrorists", or any one other than the "officials" would tamper with the votes because the box would be taped shut. So she was not lying to me when she answered my question concerning how can I know that my vote would be counted.

The problem with being lied to would occur as soon as my questions are geared toward figuring out if the person I am talking to is my friend, as a friend of Liberty, or my foe, as a friend of Legal Crime, and this is not "OH, that is just Joe, being Joe." as I've heard so often. When you wake up you realize that this stakes are potentially much higher on this road into absolute despotism, and the failures in our future will cost much more to our own behinds than our failures cause our own behinds now, as we may not be as close to the front of the line that enters the meat grinder right now.

I find people who begin to show their true color when they begin to contradict themselves with gestures, not just English sentences, so the obvious become obvious sooner in person than during discussions on forums.

When the obvious becomes obvious there is a complete change in view as the person who was helping me become the person who is no longer willing to help me.

Let me quote word from you, please? (I will anyway, this is a theatrical way of typing, along the lines of creating a more personal discussion, as I paint the picture of politeness with lyrical devices).

We just saw my daughter perform in her best play to date, and it was a very good show, something that would work very well as helpful entertainment in places where Television wasn't is such high demand, or in scarce supply (basically or principally the same physical condition).

Your words:

"The part that bothers me the most is that it seems to be done in packs like jackels or piranhas. It is too back we cannot figure out how to help each other."

I've seen this so often, not just in forums, this goes on in person, and I've already told you of the time before I ran for congress, at a public meeting among supposed Friends of Liberty, sometime between Waco and The Oklahoma City False Flags, during that time of higher profile NEWS concerning "The Militia Movement" and all heads in the room at once turned to me and yelled "NO!" and my words were merely factual, concerning a specific Falsehood that is believed to be true by all but 2 people in that group at that time. My friend was there and he actually had to tell me what had happened since my attention at the time was on communicating, or helping, to know better, and so I was speaking at the time, and everyone else was listening at that point, up until the wall of willful ignorance occurred in each mind.

So, bringing this back to the point in this discussion, the effort to find out if my vote is counted, and find out beyond a reasonable doubt, was not followed through by me, not to the point of finding who begins to actively, and willfully, resort to deceit to shut me up, to cattle prod me back into line, because I had more important things to do at that time, according to my own sense of BALANCE.

God only knows if I a wrong or right, as I think you are teaching me, and other people listening to our discussion, other people who refuse to participate, if such a person does exist, in the dark, my think many things on at least one scale as such:

1.
You are helping me learn true spirituality.
2.
Your are deceiving me with religious dogma.

Here is where the truth, as far as I know, works in what I think your words teach me. God only knows. I don't. Whomever else may be judging the accuracy of your viewpoint or my viewpoint does not know either. God only knows. We can help each other know better, or NOT.

We, by our individual employment of our POWER of will, aim to help each other, as we alone can, but ONLY if we listen to what each other has to say, because we know better than to assume that our limited POWER to know better (not even close to God POWER) is subject to great errors in judgment, and therefore we must, you and I, listen to other viewpoints if there is any hope for us to know better.

Often is the case that an infected (not woken up) person convicts another person of being guilty ON THE SPOT and at that point the judge in the case begins to execute punishment upon the convicted wrongdoer.

How?

Lies.

Lies are told because the infection is such that a "Conspiracy Theorist" is the enemy, and as such this "Conspiracy Theorist" (Terrorist now) can be rightfully lied to, to censor any further damage being done by the "Conspiracy Theorist" (Terrorist).

Do you willfully lie to me?

I'm not talking about any withholding of any personal (none of my business) information. I am talking about specific information that is powerful information whereby you withhold that information or distort that information to keep that information from reaching me?

What I am talking about is criminal censorship which is not to be confused, at all, or ever, with "telling stories" or merely maintaining a healthy boundary between public and personal information.

This goes along the lines of the concept of The First Amendment and the Fire in the Theater concept.

Someone who shouts fire in a crowded theater could cause, by that act, the injury of innocent people as innocent people may be trampled during the mad rush to exist the theater, and that can happen if there is no fire.

That "Fire in the Theater" can be willfully confused with an actor on stage yelling "Fire" in the Theater during the play, as such a PART of the play fits into the play. The audience does not, in unison, run for the exists when the actor plays out the part, but the audience will tend to get up, in unison, to run to the exit, if an official looking person is effectively communicating dire warnings.

So...your words again, in order:

"See I can get into trouble too…when no one is lying to me."

World War III is being paid for by the many potential victims as the few people who will potentially profit from World War III continue to work toward that goal.

The Fire is already burning in World War III, and so the warning can be very dire for those who are closest to it.

Lies that are willfully being communicated by actual people right now, or soon, so as to censor those warnings, are not (in my opinion) to be confused with any other distortions of the truth by anyone, for any reason.

The people who refuse to question the authority of the vote count are HELPING the people who are working to accelerate World War III.

How can that not be true?

The Chain of Command is the same chain as the chain of custody as is the same thing, in principle, as the chain of title.

Who knew what, when, and why was the chain broken at that point in that paper trail?

I broke that chain when I did not ask the next obvious question after the Lady answered my question with the words that intended to assure me of the accuracy of the vote count.

My next question could have been geared toward finding out if there was a Chain-of-Custody following my vote from me to the official vote count, such a Chain-of-Custody whereby I could trace back the entire path my vote takes from me to the final destination point, and I could count my votes along with every other vote, if there were any doubts I have, as to the legitimacy of this use of government as a tool to be used for Defense of Liberty instead of this use of this tool called government to be crimes made legal.

Which crimes?

Poisoning the water supply and then having the victims pay more for that "privilege"?

No, my part in the discussion with the lady at the table, the crimes made legal that concern everyone on this planet is the abomination that will become known as World War III if anyone is left to claim anything after it is over.

Is that true?

If we are all dead, then there is no Liberty.

Would a Friend of Liberty tell me lies to shut me up at that point?

Your words again:

"The part that bothers me the most is that it seems to be done in packs like jackels or piranhas. It is too back we cannot figure out how to help each other."

Your example teaches moderation? Know your own boundaries better? If one Friend of Liberty can help another it won't be by way of deceit, threats, or violent aggression, even in the face of criminal frauds, extortionists, and torturing mass murderers made legal?

Is there a fire in the theater?

Please allow me to return to Solzhenitsyn, the man who lived through the fire in the theater, and was then able to warn us about those things.

"And on top of this we are threatened by destruction in the fact that the physically compressed, strained world is not allowed to blend spiritually; the molecules of knowledge and sympathy are not allowed to jump over from one half to the other. This presents a rampant danger: THE SUPPRESSION OF INFORMATION between the parts of the planet. Contemporary science knows that suppression of information leads to entropy and total destruction. Suppression of information renders international signatures and agreements illusory; within a muffled zone it costs nothing to reinterpret any agreement, even simpler - to forget it, as though it had never really existed. (Orwell understood this supremely.) A muffled zone is, as it were, populated not by inhabitants of the Earth, but by an expeditionary corps from Mars; the people know nothing intelligent about the rest of the Earth and are prepared to go and trample it down in the holy conviction that they come as "liberators"."

How easy is it, from the couch, or from the padded desk chair, to convict me of conspiracy theory in a modern form of a public hanging?

How easy is it to call in the National Guard when a few among us are failing to pay a tax on time (yes, that was the actual legal infraction claimed to be the reasoning behind the Waco Massacre)?

More from Solzhenitsyn:

Source:

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/...

"Those who fell into that abyss already bearing a literary name are at least known, but how many were never recognized, never once mentioned in public? And virtually no one managed to return. A whole national literature remained there, cast into oblivion not only without a grave, but without even underclothes, naked, with a number tagged on to its toe. Russian literature did not cease for a moment, but from the outside it appeared a wasteland! Where a peaceful forest could have grown, there remained, after all the felling, two or three trees overlooked by chance."

When you begin to see, you see dire things, because that is the truth.

Balance can be earned at the same time. I can help with that, in time, I have things to do today. I want to work on Product 1 and Product 2 more, if there were two or three trees overlooked by chance before, then that can happen again.

"You have my MO, do you?"

Balance is not easy, and you may surprise both of us in reaching that goal, you already surprise me.

"I know, there are a lot of things I do not do because to do them I know my personality, that I mostly keep hidden, would come out and bite someone. I am not diplomatic and I do not couch my words. It is better for everyone when I stay quite."

Here I think there is a balance of self censoring those words that will not communicate the accurate message, the messages that will help someone who can become a friend of Liberty, to help them turn around, if they are working the wrong way willfully, and experience may be a better cattle prod working on you than lies and false fronts have so far been overpowering?

How can you gain any experience if you are always kept silent by external forces (other than God)?

Are you deciding to keep quiet, or are you being told to keep silent and you obey without question such orders from above?

Is there room for balance?

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“Ron Paul can't be a hoax unless the Federal Reserve is actually worthy of good credit, how can that not be obvious?”

I will try to remember that. I think you have told me before.
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I have since thought up (competitively) a scenario whereby Ron Paul could be a hoax, or False Flag, or staged event, but that belongs in the deeper realm of Doom Day, which I prefer not to expend too much power onto that path.

I think Product 1 and Product 2, or applications of such things, can be more useful.

"That will be ok because: John 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."

If I may bridge the gap some: I see these words, now, in the continuing context of God as Truth, and Man is unworthy of the same claims, so I have to keep that in mind. God does not speak to me personally, as if God were another man, like my own father speaking to me, so that has to be set aside in my mind, and I have to see God speaking to me as I see life as a whole, life is the message that God creates, including me, so those are his words to me, so far.

If other people know better, that is what they know, not me, not yet.

I can separate words that other people tell me about God, from what God actually tells me, so far, and other people are created by God, but those forms of life are capable of willfully lying to me, and those other life forms are also capable of passing on falsehood, even if they are, themselves, deceived.

I have that check going, that reservation of skepticism, in any word finding its way to me, as I know enough to know that we human beings are not God, so we can fail to know better.

How does the information actually work when the information is applied to life in our time?

"You have many good words that are appreciated by me."

This again is shared.

Joe

Did you know

Did you know the US shipped monetary printing plates to the USSR after WWII so their military could print an unlimited supply of “occupational money” (different than US dollars) in countries they had taken over? That USSR printed money could be redeemed 1 for 1 in US dollars which was “promptly” done…according to G Edward Griffin at 6:30 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCiylpzR60U Major Jordan in charge of shipping operations (also had his little time before congress con con) at 26:30 tells how many plates, how many barrels of ink and how many plane loads of paper were sent.

Question begging...could dollars be traded for specie at that time? At 42:30 he starts talking about dollars being traded for gold having to do with 72 military bases around the world.

It seems we have a habit of sending US money to war zones. I wonder if the truck loads of money sent to the Middle East were in exchange for money of which the US [a person or two or three or four or more] facilitated the printing. I remember on that Gaddafi clip I watched that one of the first things that was done during that Libyan revolution was a banking system was set up…IMMEDIATELY.

I listened to Sutton on YouTube this week regarding the banks and the Bolshevik Revolution as well as his talk on the Skull and Bones. I also listened to several of Charlotte Iserbyt’s talks. It seems to me the Con Con has been going on for some time. I think the Bankers raped Eastern Europe and then the US and now they are raping the Middle East as the United States are becoming Sovietized. I think the Holocaust was used by Zionists at the expense of the Jewish people to rebirth the Nation of Israel and the Cold War was a hoax. Am I thinking incorrectly? You see, I like to connect dots…
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and the reason I connected Free Love dots the way I did was because of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_love . You see I had never head of free love before until you introduced me to the term with Andrews and instead of asking you about it I did my own research.

and how about a poem: http://www.poetryloverspage.com/poets/kipling/gods_of_copybo...

Rudyard Kipling

The Gods of the Copybook Headings
1919
“…On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "The Wages of Sin is Death…"
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Never mind the Free Love bit, but the other stuff, am I on the right track? If I am, we are in the middle of being Sovietized and that will not end well. There will be a purging...as if it is not already happening. I think Ronald Reagan was a fraud...
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I received a call from Vicky Hartzler's office, my congressional rep. He told me they were comfortable with NDAA. I questioned why it was in the courts and he told me the courts would iron things out in so many words...or that additional legislation would come thru congress. I told him that I didn't want my civil liberties decided by the courts and that anything unconstitutional should be stopped by my representative and that she should not vote for anything that has anything outside of the constitutional boundaries and no additional legislation should be needed to fix already passed legislation...I was scared yesterday, like I am on a list or something...I wish I had recorded the call so I could write a word for word letter back to her office. I am not fast on my feet.

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Dupes alike?

"Am I thinking incorrectly? You see, I like to connect dots…"

Here I have to agree, based upon my Power Equation perspective: that all fits well but your terminology can be misleading.

When you say US did this and US did that it may lead someone to mislead someone into thinking a John Boyd type of person in The US Military is not on our side, the side of Liberty.

The Legal Criminals (presumed to be innocent but most likely their deeds once known would inspire the death penalty if any average 12 people actually try the case): Legal Criminals do this or the Legal Criminals do that and there isn't a whole lot of exculpatory evidence to keep them out of the noose - wayyyyyyyyy toooooooo much inculpatory (another word not recognized by the spell checker) evidence proving, beyond reasonable doubt, that the Legal Criminals send that POWER (money) to where the Legal Criminals send it so as to cause torture and mass murder of innocent people by the millions.

The Dots have already been connected by very smart, diligent, driven, honest, honorable, worthy, accredited, faithful, and good people, such as Sutton - or Bear - perhaps.

Where is the trial?

And then you go back to Free Love?

Don't you see?

If McCarthy was actually working to get the most dangerous people identified, at the very least identified, so as to warn people about what they were accomplishing RIGHT NOW and his POWER was reversed, used against him, corrupted, then how is that not obvious with Warren, Andrews, or even Daniel Shays?

They communicate the problem, they offer solutions, they use words, and then their POWER is reversed as the Legal Criminals know how better to manipulate Massive numbers of people with Sound Bites, and very effective behavioral modification routines, such as inventing a NAME like "Free Love" and then inventing a definition for that name such as Free Love is freedom from any moral understanding, let alone logic, and then as the false story goes, demon children, like Charles Manson, exemplify what "Free Love" really means, not actually anything having to do with freedom and not anything actually having to do with love.

The exact opposite of Free.

The exact opposite of Love.

You can't see the solution, since the Legal Criminals are so effective at demonizing the people who offer it?

You are led by terminology to misidentify friend from foe, and how is that not painfully obvious?

If you want to think better of Conservative Republicans the consider accurately identifying what is worth conserving and what is, exactly, a Republic, and don't fall for the opposite meaning of those well established UNDERSTANDINGS before they became the opposite MISUNDERSTANDING.

Please.

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Rudyard Kipling

The Gods of the Copybook Headings
1919
“…On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "The Wages of Sin is Death…"
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So...if that version of "Free Love" can be traced back to Warren and Andrews, so as to shoot them, so as not to listen to their UNDERSTANDING of the problem and the solution, then why not connect the dot, instead of avoiding the work required to actually connect the dot?

Place Warren and Andrews on the stand (while the actual criminals go "free") and convict them of that specific crime, and we both can know better.

Please.

"Never mind the Free Love bit, but the other stuff, am I on the right track? If I am, we are in the middle of being Sovietized and that will not end well. There will be a purging...as if it is not already happening. I think Ronald Reagan was a fraud..."

How many ways can a person be corrupted? How easy is it to merely value the truth enough to think it, speak it, and act it out?

"I was scared yesterday, like I am on a list or something...I wish I had recorded the call so I could write a word for word letter back to her office. I am not fast on my feet."

There is no way to gain the experience needed to Fight for Liberty while insisting on being IN LIBERTY without experience.

You have to take each step.

There is no easy way, the Legal Criminals have been very busy with the loot they have stolen.

Joe

Seeing

No wonder the RNC proceedings in Tampa were so corrupt, the collectivists are in charge in plain sight, or nearly so? Ron Paul gave an interview this week. At the end of it he spoke of dirty politics and how if we do not engage there will not be a peaceful transition.
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Had you heard of Major Jordan before? I heard of him thru Charlotte Iserbyt. Seems he kept a “diary.” Hardcopy is available for viewing on line. We were shipping the Soviets all kinds of stuff…I suppose on the Tax Payer dollar…to our demise. The Griffin video I listened to was him speaking in the 60’s. I do not understand how the military bases were used to spread the wealth. I do not understand the mechanics of how the American Dollars spent by service men were exchanged by those countries for gold in Europe. (Do you understand that part?) I guess our US Military bases are used for money laundering in the form of paychecks to those soldiers spent in other countries. Then I guess I have to think about who ends up with that spent money in those countries, and who controls that person or those people that end up with that money. What a pathetic mess. The good faith and credit of the American people has been stolen and laundered.

I started writing to you before I finished listening to Major Jordan speak. Anyways, he also spoke of how Panetta surrounded himself with communists in some white house position a long time ago, and how he, a WWI vet, did not have access to Panetta, but the communists had direct access to him there in that position. Leon Panetta is still in Washington. He is the Secretary of Defense under Obama. He is the one that inferred recently that he does not need clearance from congress to go to war. All nice and out in the open. Was it a show for the people?

I guess that money laundering is part of the rationale of closing the bases and bringing the troops home. The other part of Ron Paul’s plan was to get rid of 5 government departments. I think that would have cleared out a bunch of communists as well. The American People cannot even recognize freedom anymore. Here was a man laying out a plan to Restore Liberty and the people could not recognize it. Too many lies have been told? I am understanding more now what you were saying about the cost of all the lies told.
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Had you heard of Charlotte Iserbyt before? She provided Sutton with the books containing the listings of skull and bones members. Seems both her father and grandfather were members of that order. She was in Reagan’s Education office, which was a farce according to her. She had been a supporter of Reagan, but soon found out his true color. Seems Buckley under Reagan outed the Birchers. So what I wonder now, when I hear people like Michele Bachmann say we need another “Reagan,” or former congressmen speaking to Tea Partiers saying the same thing, do those speakers know what they are saying? Are they trying to continue to garner the conservative “Christian” vote thru falsities, or do they truly believe that Reagan was an American Patriot? I have had my suspicions about Reagan, and I believe now they may have been confirmed.

Also, I think you said this referring to Reagan: “How many ways can a person be corrupted? How easy is it to merely value the truth enough to think it, speak it, and act it out?”

Are you saying Reagan had good motives, but was corrupted?
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You said: “…that the Legal Criminals send that POWER (money) to where the Legal Criminals send it so as to cause torture and mass murder of innocent people by the millions.”

I have trouble, do they want to buy that murder and torture, or is it a by-product of amassing wealth?
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The other thing about the truckloads of US money sent to the Middle East...maybe the criminals “bought” the country’s gold with it? Maybe that was why it was not the “US Taxpayer’s money.” Josf, I think the Jews were killed for their gold too. I watched a video called Banking with Hitler and the inception of the IBS (it was the first international bank). I saw piles of eye glasses and teeth that were melted down. As if they were harvesting a crop. That gold went thru that International Bank. Also, when Hitler took over a country the gold from that country was transferred thru the IBS to Germany…I wonder where all that gold went after the war?

I watched a video here: http://www.dailypaul.com/256465/ahmadinejad-embraces-the-jew... and the Jewish men meeting with Ahmadinejad this week said something about their leaders being killed in the Holocaust leaving the Jewish people subject to following Zionism. That was an eye opener for me. Those Jewish men in that video did the kissy kissy with Ahmadinejad and it all looked real and sincere. Maybe it was all a show? I don’t know but they also gave him a big silver bowl attributing his “sweetness.” Seems also there is a large Jewish settlement in Iran. I also looked at the website below that video jewsagainstzionism.com and saw more information regarding the sellout of the East European Jews by the Zionists.

Here is a dot I am trying to connect: Some people are against Ahmadinejad because he said the Holocaust did not exist or something to that effect. I wonder if his words were twisted and instead he was saying the Holocaust is a fraud. (Not that it didn’t happen, but could have been prevented, or was actually made to happen, or there were ulterior motives.) It seems to me as a child all I ever heard about were the 6 million Jews that were killed (not making light of that subject at all). I suppose that was to promote Zionism? I remember saying something to Jeff last year that there were a lot more people killed in WWII than 6 million Jews. Why doesn’t anyone talk about the others? What is the purpose of Zionism? Is it part of the Hegelian dialect for current events in the Middle East? Did I hear about the holocaust as a child to garner my support for Israel? (Sutton spoke quite abit about the Hegelian dialect in his skull and bones talk. He also talked about Might makes Right and some other things you have talked to me about.)
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I understand what you say about enemies turning terms into something they are not. But to me that means those enemies are part of the dots that need connecting, not that there are not dots to connect. It would also mean to me that the beginning dots are not liable for the ending dots. Those dots get high jacked and taken to a different destination? I voted for Reagan, so I have dots connected from me to him. There are a lot of lies in between “Christians” and those dots leading to Reagan and those dots leading to the Bushes.
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Henry Ford: “It is well enough that the people of this nation do not understand our banking and monetary system,…”

Mr. Ford, I beg a question: “Well enough for who?” …Josf, as I listened to those scholars ramble on with their truth this week, I do believe I heard speak of Ford operations in Russia and how that equipment on wheels then ended up in Vietnam or Korea, or both (I cannot remember where), being used against our own American soldiers. Maybe Mr. Ford was no longer living? I do not know all the dots in between.
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And now I want to know, is this view of history that I have become enlightened too, what Tom Woods’s Liberty Classroom will teach? Am I a Johnny come lately to what the Austrians and Libertarians and Mr. Rockwell and Mr. Rothbard and Mr. Warren and Mr. Andrews and Mr. Griffin and Mr. Sutton and Mrs. Iserbyt and Dr. Paul and Major. Jordan and Mr. Kelley understand? Or are there only a few that know and repeat the truth?

I still have trouble with that collective “we” and ambiguous “US” and saying “things” do things. I have been using those terms my whole life, I see the danger but am not always aware.
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I understand that Warren provided a solution outside of the money con game. I understand that probably better now than ever and why it is so significant. Probably my biggest failing was not to read Sutton at the very beginning as you suggested. I rather watch videos. It seems I am too lazy to read and have taken a lot of your time instead. Plus it is hard for me to read on-line, but that is an excuse.

I wonder if the American People can understand history better than the banking system. Perhaps there is hope?

I am angry and sad that people are not allowed to live their lives in peace because Legal Criminals who love money will not leave us alone. I dare say we would be happy to trade with equity just to be left alone to live out our lives in peace with our family and friends, but then the criminal’s gain would be worthless because no one would want or need their gold. I suppose that is why money must be scarce? So we will want and need their gold so that it has value for them?

Can you explain to me again how to make money so that it cannot be laundered? Is it possible? Do we have time? Is it too late?

I could not sleep again last night. We are in grave danger. The net is being drawn.

I know you said you would be AFK for a while. I am concerned about your mother. I realize I have taken much of your time. Thank you Joe Kelley for helping me see.

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Brief debrief

"I suppose that is why money must be scarce?"

Power must be scarce. Please consider Joe's Law as a Political Economy Foundation (and a Spiritual one, perhaps, if Spirituality, understanding, is in fact a Productive Power).

If power is allowed to become abundant (including Spiritual power) then who needs False Gods?

If any productive (defensive) power is allowed to become abundant, then who needs False Governments (aggressive, criminal, destructive power)?

An Icelandic Commonwealth cannot be allowed to exist, to prove the validity of voluntary government, because such productive powers would spread and "infect" people who constitute good faith and credit.

The story about the Worgle Competitive Money in Austria is a very good example, it cannot be allowed to exist, because The People then have the power to opt out of these "Great" depressions that work so well for Legal Criminals and their Business Psychos.

The story about America between 1776 and 1788 can't be allowed to exist, as a shinning example of Voluntary Limited Competitive Constitutional Government, for such productive powers as these could spread and "infect" the victims, making the victims too powerful to be victims.

Is there hope?

All we have to do is fix the problem in our sleep and wake up IN Liberty, but it takes more solutions overnight, just like you are doing, if you can see the hope, see the solutions, then other people can, and that is cause for much hope, as far as my eye can see.

I have other things on the schedule today, so this is a brief debrief concerning your very welcome, very interesting, and very powerful work here, where you are generous enough to publish your honest viewpoint concerning your path out of the mire of falsehood.

Thanks.

"Can you explain to me again how to make money so that it cannot be laundered? Is it possible? Do we have time? Is it too late?"

That is easy, since Josiah Warren answers the question in spades, if each person is held to account for their own money products who is thereby paying the bills, the costs, for producing fraud?

There is no reason to launder your own money, when the only one charged for fraud, are the frauds themselves.

Think in terms of a personal check.

Your name is on the check.

Why would anyone even want to launder your personal checks?

All anyone has to do to find out if your money is any good, is to follow the money back to the source, which is you, and then hold you to account.

What if your personal checks were counterfeited?

Why would that be difficult to figure out?

You have numbered checks. Someone else is holding a check. It was not yours, whose check was it? Follow the counterfeit money to the source, what do you find?

A counterfeiter?

Not you?

What if your check returns to you and you wrote it without actually planning on honoring it?

You are held to account.

Why is that not easy to see?

Can you go to Ben Bernanke and demand that Ben Bernanke pays back all the money he borrowed from The Good Faith and Credit of the American People, all those 13 zeros, or else, at the very least, Ben Bernanke won't be hired by those same American People for his expertise in Money Laundering?

Who produces the money?

Who is held to account for that money?

If it is fraud money, then Laundering is done to hide the frauds.

If is Drugs for Guns money, then Laundering is done to hid the Drugs for Guns runners.

If the money is made by the individual, as Warrens work proves, then the individual is held accountable for the money, good or bad, and no one else is held responsible.

That is called accurate money.

So...

Launderable money is inaccurate.

Unlaunderable money is accurate.

Gold is not very good as launderable money if you compare Gold money to Legal Monopoly Paper or Digital Money produced by One Legal group of Frauds.

Gold is launderable money compared to personal checks or electricity.

Electricity is unlaunderable. Electricity is exactly what it is exactly where it is at all times and if you use it to produce something the power can be very well documented as it flows exactly the way it flows. Electricity is almost the perfect currency.

Spiritual understanding, on the other hand, may be even less launderable?

Joe

Thank you

for taking the time once again to discuss money that cannot be laundered. As I thought of the 2013 Liberty Challenge and my idea regarding Chamber Bucks, a comment that was made to me yesterday rang true http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2768922 :

"One movement can be stopped, 1000 movements all in support of one another cannot. It is a thick impenetrable mesh."

Your challenge is ingenious in that it requests multiple people to work on the same task in multiple places and ways. I seem to remember you speaking at one time about many ships going in many directions for Liberty. (Not exact quote, but that was the gist if I remember correctly.) I remember taking issue with that because I thought if we would all work together we might get somewhere…now I see…somewhere like being co-opted by the collectivists. But if many people are working in many different ways, there is not a pyramid to co-opt.

I continue to learn.

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Puzzles pieces fitting

Bear,

I missed the routine of spoon feeding a sponge like mind these past few days but events on my home front were taxing so the break in the rate of data transfer (less time spent typing here) appears to be a mutual requirement (we both have other things to do).

The Myopic, Monopoly, Singular, Obedience to Destructive Falsehood, Threats, and Violence PATH is ONE THING.

You are now seeing this Big Picture viewpoint.

The Inventive, Adaptive, Competitive, Productive, Individual POWER IN LIBERTY is ONE THING too.

So these TWO Things can be very confusing.

One goes one way, the other goes the other way, and if the people going the wrong way start to look at the Long Black Train, to see where it is going, then those people begin to UNDERSTAND.

Much can become very clear as much information reinforces the UNDERSTANDING.

Example:

Electric POWER.

You say this:

"Your challenge is ingenious in that it requests multiple people to work on the same task in multiple places and ways. I seem to remember you speaking at one time about many ships going in many directions for Liberty."

It matters not who invents the arrangement of words COMPARED to how well the words work for each individuals.

A Series Circuit in Electricity, for example, is a POWER (such as a useful phrase of English words conveying UNDERSTANDING, such as Proverbs 8) and that POWER flows from the inventor/producer (God for example) and that POWER arrives at ONE individual in the Series Circuit (such as Adam), then Adam to Eve, then to the next individual, then the next individual, and the Series Circuit must proceed ONE at a time.

What happens when there is a Cane (is that the bad guy?) in the group?

Cane get's the POWERFUL message and Cane distorts it and destroys the POWERFUL message and from then on there is no more LIGHT.

A Christmas Light String in Series requires that every single bulb is GOOD or none of the bulbs will light up.

A Christmas Light String that is Parallel allows the POWER to go past the BAD bulbs and the POWER goes to all the GOOD bulbs.

Why?

Productive Power in Parallel is merely a feature of design in the circuit so as to allow Productive Power to follow the path of least resistance.

Each BAD bulb in Series (Monopoly/Legal/Crime/Blind Obedience to False Gods) CUTS the flow of power to everyone else in Series, if a Series Circuit is Invented, Designed, Produced, and Maintained as The Power Circuit.

Despotism/Monopoly/Legal Crime/Legal Money Monopoly/Nation State/Fascism/Communism/Blind Obedience to Falsehood without question IS a Series circuit by design because that is how it works, and the many names are all the same thing, the many names are merely inventions, productions, and designs meant to cattle prod the victims and keep them onto the same Single Path.

That, again, is ONE thing.

One Path.

Liberty is also ONE path, but here is where two things become very confusing since the ONE path that is Liberty goes anywhere and everywhere all at once.

The false path goes to one place like, say, this concept of The Big Bang in reverse. Everything created by God is stuffed back into ONE time and one place and then everything vanishes into absolute nothingness.

The false path destroys everything, as everyone is alive like Christmas Tree Lights and then ONE BAD BULB goes out and it invents a SERIES circuit and no more power of instruction can get to the other Bulbs because the SERIES circuit creates road blocks, censorship, diversions, misdirections, divisions, destroys bridges, destroys hospitals, destroys money, destroys language, destroys books, destroys television, destroys radio, destroys newspapers, filling everything with FALSEHOOD, destruction, and END TIMES.

What happens if one person invents a work around so as to now re-establish the natural order of a Parallel Circuit whereby God's Instructions are available to anyone who seeks knowledge, any knowledge, anywhere?

Here is where I may not be helping much, by confusing too much at once, but there is this FALSE version of Democracy and I am at that point again to suggest that there may be a natural form of Democracy at work, a Parallel Circuit form of it, so follow along please with this thinking.

What happens if one person invents a work around the Road Blocks of Falsehood Destruction?

Everyone can be informed about anything?

What happens when the POWER of knowledge is no longer made scarce on purpose by a few people who gained that POWER but those POWERFUL people don't want "just anyone" knowing better?

BAD PEOPLE can get that POWER TOO!

OHHHHHH MYYYYYYYYYY

There has to be a law that keeps POWER away from bad people!

Who and what army says so?

Who (the most powerful) and what army (those following those instructions) say that POWER must be kept from the bad people?

You may still not see it, but I can try to convey IT, to you.

The Power of knowledge depends upon each individual to decide what to do with the Power of knowledge and therefore any power expended toward the work of keeping power away from anyone, for any reason, is an obvious LIE unless there can be a way to know who will abuse that power and who will not abuse that power.

If an individual human being has the power to know which other human being is good or bad, to know that well enough to not abuse that POWER OF KNOWLEDGE then who gave that power to that one individual?

If that one individual, say Jesus, for example, decides that only a select few are good enough for the Power of Knowledge then the Series Circuit continues from God to Jesus and then to whoever Jesus chooses as being Good Enough for the Power of Knowledge.

What happens if a bad person finds a way to get the Power of Knowledge despite all the good people doing all that good people can do to keep the Power of Knowledge from reaching any Bad people?

Will a Bad person share the Power of Knowledge with another Bad person or will a Bad person make sure that only the Bad person has the Power of knowledge because the Bad person wants to make sure that the Bad person is the only ONE with The Power of Knowledge?

Back to reality, and I don't mean to suggest that any religious instruction is not reality, I only mean to point out that good people and bad people have the power to get the power of knowledge IN FACT, and despite powers that work to keep the Power of Knowledge from anyone, many people still get that power - a fact.

There are, for example, people like Jesus, Michelangelo, Newton, and Einstein, born with exceptional POWER as INSTRUCTED by the power of creation, call it whatever you want, those people were created, and if there was no power to create those people, then those people would not be created, so the name of the power of creation is merely academic to this present concern. In other words I am not attacking religion. I am just trying to convey something concerning the "design" of life.

Those who decide to keep the power of knowledge from other people often claim that they are "saving the children" and this censorship, this road block, this resistance to the natural flow of knowledge, will reach people somehow, someway, flowing to bad people or good people, but flowing none-the-less, and if the "design" of life were such that the Power of Knowledge flows too much to bad people and not enough to good people then the FACT OF THE MATTER would be, by that design, less life, or no life, or miserable and unfordable life, and then no life.

In other words: Power (including knowledge) flows to places where more Power (including knowledge) is the result and that is how LIFE works by that design, no matter who claims to be the inventor of it, or the producer of it, or the individual who maintains it, that is how that works.

Today there is less power, relative to tomorrow where there is more power, and that means that power produces more power out of less power.

That is the LIFE PATH going that way.

The opposite path is the DEATH path or DESTRUCTION path, going the other way.

One way includes increases in power as time goes by and the other way involves decreases in power as time goes by, and these things are accurately perceptible by individual forms of POWER called LIFE FORMS.

If the design is SERIES then the one bad apple destroys every apple tree and apples are wiped off the face of the earth or from all existence anywhere ever.

If the design is PARALLEL then one bad apple may only destroy one bad apple and all the good apples can just step over, around, or under the bad one, in the stream of life.

One bad apple does not have to clog up each person as each person travels in pursuit of happiness even if a person is very happy with property.

Despite many road blocks you manage to know better today compared to yesterday?

I also continue to learn.

Joe

Weaning

"I missed the routine of spoon feeding a sponge like mind these past few days but events on my home front were taxing so the break in the rate of data transfer (less time spent typing here) appears to be a mutual requirement (we both have other things to do)."

Yes, the sentiment is mutual. I feel as if I am being weaned and I do not suppose there is any animal in the world or human that naturally enjoys that process. It is as if I have been in some kind of vulcan mind meld these past months. I have not been able to think of anything else but pursuing this course of knowledge you have so kindly offered. I think when the pieces somewhat fell into place with my 20th century history puzzle I was able to rest. I even told Jeff of my great discovery and he said, “Welcome home. You have been gone, now you are back.” I must re-engage in the things of my life that no one else can do: raising my kids, loving my husband, cleaning the house and taking care of bear. I am not good at multiplexing anymore. There is so much to do when children are young and now summer is over and school brings a whole new rat race. I say that because I would be happy to live in a cave as a hermit, but cannot so I race to keep up. Anyways, I am only weaned and not yet grown, so I imagine I will still have questions…like the ones about Still I dropped off earlier. Would you like me to leave you be, or is there a small amount of time available to exchange knowledge? I might could even reign myself down to once a week, if that would be a better rate of exchange.

I have been sick for a couple of weeks and did not know it. It seems infection comes on so slow that I am finally incapacitated before I realize how sick I am. So, I’ve started another antibiotic (it seems I left the last one on the counter above the dishwasher and let it get too warm…so I ruined it before I was well). I’ve house guests coming this week and next and am nowhere ready physically or mentally for them. I dare not write more today or spend any time at the DP because I will get nothing done that needs and must be done.

Josf, you told me about that parallel circuit series before. I don’t know why my sponge like brain is so hard sometimes. I suppose maybe a lack of moisture. Cane = Cain. Yes, he killed his brother, but he had full knowledge and communication with God: http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/genesis/4-audio.html

Cain chose evil instead of the Lord.

I have read your Still reply, I want to come back later, but not today, and talk a little bit, if OK. The last thing I want to do is disrupt the power we each need in our own lives. That is not productive. But you must know, you have helped me through the mine field that seems to surround Liberty as you did your homework, and I failed to do mine. However, Joe, you must also know, my mind has been on the Lord nearly all my life.

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Understanding

Understanding is shared, and I appreciate the discussion you offer so whenever it works out please continue this discussion wherever it may go in time.

Joe

Ruminating

Thank you Joe...see, I had to come back and check. I think if I can get myself on a good routine with my priorities straight, I will be able to figure out how to multiplex. I enjoy our discussions and learning and understanding, so certainly there is a place for something I enjoy in my life. But what I really need to do is learn to enjoy all of my life. I think you have shown that to me as well...as if I did not already know that...as if the Lord didn’t already tell me that…but sometimes discussion clarifies things with a gentle nudge.

And sometimes, lack of discussion gives one time to ruminate on the discussions that have taken place such that light bulbs go off. Thank you for keeping the door open, mine is as well.

I am getting work done today, as Joe would say. And bear says it is like popping corn, no matter how much I get done, people keep on putting more kernels in the popper and it overflows and becomes too much. I have much popped corn to organize here in this house. Growing boys are like popping corn too, if they would just stay the same size I could keep up with their clothes and “stuff,” but what I really need to do is what Warren did and teach them the discipline of taking care of their popped corn, but it takes a mother’s focus to do that. I have many things to learn, and to me that is the magic of a stable family…one learns while they are young as examples are set and taught so that life is not too overwhelming. I think I missed out on that too. So I must pick up, and do what I know to do even if it is not natural to me. Guess I am orienting again, and being a blabbermouth as if you care :)

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Care

I care because we are in the same boat, just like scripture commands (or can be understood to be a command), if I have scripture understood, an injury to any one of us is an injury to every one of us, so care is in order.

Thanks.

Joe

Thank You

for caring. Nothing like public journaling :) I'm in town today with the Amish so am checking my DP mail here a McDonalds while I wait.

"an injury to any one of us is an injury to every one of us, so care is in order."

Yes, Love God and love your neighbor as yourself...and then there are no other laws needed if those 2 are accomplished because upon them hang all the laws and prophets. Thank you my "West-coast" friend.
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I'm still beating my head against the wall of willl. http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2773009 . I guess I don't know when to stop, but G. Edward Griffen so much as talked about legal crime without saying those exact words and willl weighed in and I happened to notice so, I decided I would pursue.
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I'm making 32 quarts of chili tomorrow and need to work on a grocery list now. Our church is having a free wild game dinner for the community...I am the free chili maker...Elk and Venison. Jeff was so kind as to hire 2 Amish girls to come and clean for me today. Being sick this week was not part of my planning. I suppose observed, oriented, made a decision, and acted...and I didn't even ask. Now I get to go home to a clean house after being in town all day and just do the small stuff that I know needs done.

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Will is a collectivist (Dictator) at heart?

Notice how I ask a question rather than propping myself up as the absolute dictator of all things everywhere.

Will may be a collectivist at heart because his (or her) concept of Law is dictated to him and therefore there can't be any question concerning the meaning of Law, since the dictators, like him (or her) self, say so, and you can't question that fact, just like he (or she) says, along with their army to back up their dictates - of course.

This boils down to the fundamental principle differences between criminals and innocent people.

Criminals resort to deceit.

Criminals resort to threats of violence.

Criminals resort to violence.

Criminals resort to any means to gain at the expense of their targeted victims.

If there were only criminals (All Men are Bad) then there would be no victims and therefore there would be no crime, no law, and some people call that "anarchism", but that is the false version of anarchism, just like the false version of Christianity was demonstrated by those criminals whose actions became The Inquisition.

If it says so on an official piece of paper, then that is LAW, and there is no room for questioning that LAW, because that is LAW, so Will, or any other dictator at heart, can claim that it is not CRIME because it is LAW, and therefore you had better OBEY, without question, because it is LAW, and me, and my army says so.

Now, please, that is the building blocks of collectivism, or "majority [POWER] rule", or might making right, because if it were only Will, or if it were only a few criminals in suits on Wall Street, without a powerful, mighty, and very NUMEROUS (majority of POWER) army to back up their claims (or lies), then their LAW would only be CRIME (naked emperors perpetrating naked crimes) to everyone except the few of their numbers who were duped into believing in the lies, but when they do not have many of them (approaching a majority of POWER), to back up their version of LAW, as they alone say it is LAW, even if a smaller group they can have a Majority of POWER, absent that overpowering POWER over the victims, where the victims are more Powerful in numbers and defensive WILL POWER, and the potential victims are not buying into the FRAUD of turning Crime into LAW, then no such collectivism happens, no such Legal Crime happens, because the more powerful targeted victims are too powerful to be victims, and the supposed "Laws" which are actually merely crimes are never made into Lawful Crimes by Legal Criminals.

By way of Deceit: Philadelphia Con-Con "Constitutional Convention" Dirty Compromise Fraud made Legal, the Legal Criminals have written down their crimes into their LAW, and by way of further Deceit: The Federalist Papers were False Advertisements to Fool the People into buying into Legal Crime, where promises of a Federation were made while those same promises would be broken just like Modern Day Routine High Paid Liars Lying and Committing Fraud, or even Treason, to get Elected, and then doing the opposite once elected, and thereby COLLECTING enough POWERFUL support by enough stupefied, fooled, deceived, and thereby injured innocent victims, as the victims are then made, by those Lawful Crimes, to pay for their own suffering, the same routine reported by Thomas Paine in Common Sense where we are "providing the means by which we suffer" when government agents declare that tax payers are enemies of the state.

So, consider, please, how well Will is duped, since his own signature claims "It's 1776 again in America", and if that is true then the Rebels of yesterday would have to confess that they are criminals for disobeying English Law and the Rebels of today would similarly have to confess that We are criminals for disobeying U.N. or U.S.A. Laws that include "providing the means by which" torture is perpetrated regularly upon innocent people, and we would have to confess to be criminals if we refuse to "provide the means by which" mass murder is perpetrated regularly upon innocent people, and that is Patently Absurd.

There is absolutely no rational, reasonable, understandable, way to justify innocent victims being forced to provide the means by which innocent victims suffer without knowing that such enslavement is CRIME with or without the BADGE that the CRIMINALS are using to hide their CRIMES.

Thomas Paine claimed that government was evil, but he did so before The Articles of Confederation helped the Friends of Liberty of the day to invent, produce, and maintain Voluntary Government, which is not evil, so even that excuse for Legal Crime is no longer valid, since We The People do not have to choose the lesser of two evils, we can refuse any provisions being sent to any criminals, anywhere, with or without badges, and we can thereby remove the means by which we suffer that way - ENTIRELY.

What is in our way?

If Will would look in the mirror, figuratively, there may be one POWER staring back that becomes a revolutionary power that was once as dictatorial as any Legal Criminal in principle.

In other words:

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."
Henry Ford

In other words:

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
― Samuel Adams

In other words:

"Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it."
Patrick Henry

In other words: It is merely an excuse, and abdication, a passing on of costs, for someone, anyone, to claim that "The Authorities" determine the meaning of Law, and the meaning of Crime, and such powerless self-victimization is very weak, very destructive, and begging to be self-corrected if the individual is going to stand any chance, other than by random luck, to break these chains that bind us.

Joe

Or

willl is stuck in this definition:
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/crime
1.
an action or an instance of negligence that is deemed injurious to the public welfare or morals or to the interests of the state and that is legally prohibited.

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NOTE: the last 5 words: AND that is legally prohibited.

but, one must note definition number 4:

4.
any offense, serious wrongdoing, or sin.
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the point being that the legal criminals have only made their offense, serious wrongdoing, or sin legal, but that does not mean that it is no longer an offense, serious wrongdoing, or sin as it has only become unpunishable by law.
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and for some odd reason, bear things she is supposed help willl see. But depending on his/her answer I may or may not give the rationale above.

For some strange reason I do not want anyone to be a dictator, I want them to be a Friend of Liberty, but I suppose that Samuel Adams understands reality better than I:

"...go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels..."
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so sadley, not everyone is going to join "the animating contest of freedom".

But why would willl be here and seemingly be a part. Maybe education is all that is necessary. Or maybe it is just a matter of semantics and I suppose if willl does not want to accept the validity of the words legal criminal or legal crime, but still wants to resist those who embody those words, well then, maybe that is still a Friend in Liberty; and maybe the light bulb will turn on.
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That was a very interesting Patrick Henry quote. I am going to see if I can find out what he was talking about.
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Anyways, I am going to the Still post to leave you a question. There is something I am concerned about.

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