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July 4th 2013 Liberty Day Challenge

Two directions are possible from this moment on as proven by historical precedent. Either be subjected to suffering by Legalized Criminals and be forced to pay all debts collected in that evil enterprise or move in the direction of Liberty.

Make my day.

How about July 4th 2013?

If by that date the American people, as one, have invented, produced, and supplied a number of competitive legal monies, then those American people will take back their power to prosper, at will, for their own and for posterity.

Sign on in spirit or sign on in actual reality, either way the days will move in a direction and the Legal Criminals score their progress with or without your willful participation toward their goal of absolute despotism.

May God have mercy on our souls.



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RE History of Oil “No humor to it?”

I thought it was funny, I just didn’t understand everything because I am not knowledgeable enough of recent/current events. But that is OK. I got the broad gist.
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“The Magic Check Book is not a wild fantasy. Ben Bernanke and his Club have control of The Magic Check Book.”

Yes, and I am having some difficulty with my thought process so I know you can help.

A) They [Fed, Bernanke, Legal Criminals] don’t really need our taxes because they can just print money
B) They take our taxes to keep us weak thus giving them more power
This is what I am having trouble with. We end the IRS, they still print money. That is why we must end the fed. How is it that we are supposed to end the Fed?

Is the answer to create competitive parallel currencies? Is the answer the Liberty Challenge by which we all agree in sufficient number to create those currencies and use those currencies?

But what will keep the fed from printing money to buy stuff for our demise even if we use other currencies?

The Fed’s contract comes up in 2013. I wonder if they will be re-licensed?
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“I would love to set Tom Woods down and discuss these things.”

I think you can ask him questions without paying…he wants to answer questions so you will pay…I asked him a question and he answered me. The answer was…I am not the economist on staff…

I think it may be important to vet Tom Woods as he seems to be a leader that some are following. Judge Nap seems to like him as well. I still want to take the history classes. I read that they can be viewed as downloads. I wonder if there is a one time view capability on a down load. I suppose I need to ask Tom Woods another question. I think Jeff is somewhat anxious for me to take the classes. I think he thinks it will balance me…I am about to the point where I don’t even want to talk to him about political stuff anymore. It is too painful.

"What would make money so that it cannot be laundered?"

Oh…Are Labor Dollars like IOUs? Josf, thank you for taking the time to explain the shopping mall experiment to me. Somehow crime money is laundered thru reputable sources. What do you think about the 9/11 insurance payment. Do you think that was money laundering?
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Me: "Josf, what if all those words (not just the Albright quote) written in that article are to subvert the people of the United States from supporting their government."
You: Well, now, you claim to not know anything?

Yes, last week has been a strange one in my mind. As if there was a war going on to reestablish old patterns. I suppose that is part of trying to remain sane…or going insane…the 9/11 video clip that I gave you on another post with the psycs talking has helped me somewhat understand the process of deprogramming I am going thru.
“How long did it take you to figure the whole thing out?
It took me decades.”

Josf, you could write a book! Not to make Fed Dollars…but to tell people what they need to know. The people need to know. Think about all the books you have read and all the pieces you have put together. The right words in books are powerful? You had to read so many. But with your knowledge, someone could read just one!
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“Where is my tin hat?”

I still don’t know what a tin hat is. Will you tell me?
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What is in scripture concerning the One Language that became False, used by people who created a False God?

A) In the garden the Deceiver used language in a deceptive way to trick Eve.
B) God confused the Languages so that there was language competition at the Tower of Babel
C) The Deceiver blinds hearts and minds so that they cannot comprehend the English Language
D) Even those who are deceived will someday use the English language and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
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ME:"Or what if we are just being told the government is the enemy so that we fall from within? I suppose that thought is me trying to hold on to a shred of decency, innocence and sanity?"
YOU: You need me? You have arrived at where I am.
This is the Big Picture.

What is the big picture? See I do need you because I am confused by my own words. Are you saying our current government/the people in government are being shown as the enemy by our real enemies so that our country will fall from within? Or are you saying something different than what I was saying?
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ME: "How do you know which media source is a friend or foe?"
You: What is the effect of the message on the target audience?

So, study the effect and I will know the source of the message. i.e., ask the question, “Does this message give or take power?”
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ME: "OK now I am wondering, was Oil for Food a money laundering operation? Whose? Those people that are funding both sides of the war?"
You: The effect was dead babies, lots of dead babies. That is the point…”

Yes, but in the link I gave from the Heritage foundation (I think that was the name of the group) there was also information concerning piles of dead babies and piles of missing money. 2 birds with one stone? Make the weak weaker and make the powerful more powerful in 2 ways?: Death and extraction of money to pay for more war?
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“Judgement power is tapping, tapping, tapping, a foot, impatience, so many judgments, timeless judgments, but the excuses become so yesterday.
And...
Well, I tried to believe, really I did, honestly, I tried, but...”

Josf, what are you talking about? What are you talking about believing? Is it my comment about paying for the people in Lowry City who will not work instead of paying for the torture and murder that the criminals are perpetrating? Or are you talking about trying to believe what I tell you about Jesus?

You have helped me see that I do not willfully or voluntarily pay those taxes, and I do not. So may I choose what I involuntarily pay for? As far as I am concerned that debt clock that you are good at linking..that is the debt for torture and murder. I have not paid that debt. That clock is rolling and no one is paying as fast as it is rolling. As far as I am concerned it is the debt of the criminals. I am not them. There is some number of debt attached to me, but I have not paid it. Those criminals, they have counterfeited that debt and it is theirs. They have printed money that I have not paid for. They are not me. They are not you. We, the Kelley’s and the Ferguson’s are not them. As far as I know, we stand for life. Life of the born and the unborn and we are trying to figure out how to fix the problem. As far as I can tell, the K’s and the F’s have been made weak victims and the power stolen from us is being used to make those criminals more powerful, as if they are consuming us to live another day.

God has told me to love Him with all my heart and to love my neighbor as I love myself. My neighbor is anyone that I come in contact with that is needy. So I am to practice helping others. That is what I do. God says pure religion and undefiled is visiting the orphan and the widow in their distress.

• James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

God says vengeance is mine, I will repay. Those criminals will stand before the Lord God and given an account. I will stand before Him too and so will you. The Righteous Judge of the Universe will meet out Just reward in accordance with the works written in the books. I imagine I will fall on my face before the Lord God because He is holy and I am not. He is a consuming fire and I will be tried. All of my goodness will pale before him and I will but only be able to cast myself upon His mercy. Why, because there are people starving around this world and I feed my face 3 or more times a day. Why, because there are naked around this world and I have more clothes than will fit in my closet. I have more jackets than I can possibly wear in the winter and instead of finding someone who needs them I am content to let them hang because I am too lazy to take them to someone. I have not done everything possible to withhold my worldly goods from the legal criminals, nor have I done everything possible to share the worldly goods that I enjoy with those that have nothing but the air they breathe, and I will look into the face of God and see my wickedness and cast myself upon His mercy.

I have not done all I could do. I have not even done all I could do for individuals in my own town. There are children who have no parents. I am not the best parent, but I have a warm safe house which is better than what some of them experience. I also have love in my heart. Certainly I can share that. But I am a defective person and have not figured out how to overcome my own shortcomings. So I say God, help me. I am a sinner, please forgive me and help me to do that which needs to be done.

I believe God is going to be much MORE interested in what I have done with the power that I HAVE than what has been done by someone else with the power that was STOLEN from me.
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“That is a principle question, and the answer is the same, but the answer does not cover the details. Sure, there is this and that way to do the right thing, in principle, and I agree, wholeheartedly, and without reservation, but what is my next step?
The goal is life (everlasting according to some) and I agree.
The goal is life.
What is my next step?”

Someone else asked that question!
• Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said , Sirs, what must I do to be saved ?

What must I do? What is the next step?

Acts 16:31 And they said , Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved , and thy house.

Do you know what the difference is between believe ON and believe IN?

The next step is trusting.

Do you know what trusting is?

Rest in what God has said and believe it. Cast yourself upon him to care for you. Rest in Him and not in yourself.

Not something for nothing…but with a willingness to follow Jesus. Willing to die to yourself. Willing to live for Him. To believe ON Him, not just IN the fact that he was a historical person. Willing to live your life in accordance with his will as recorded in the Bible. His will for a believer? To love God and to love your neighbor as yourself. Love is His will. Not something to earn something, but something because you are bought with a price, the price was the blood of His Son.
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"And unto man he said , Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding."

Relative to that verse...how did Eve act in the garden? Did she fear God in the sense that she followed His instruction not to eat of the Tree of the Knoweledge of Good and Evil? Did she understand what was going on and depart from evil? Or did she humanly rationalize the situation and become deceived by the deceiver?

“What is the balance between seeking instruction and employing it? “
Employment of instruction is to use wisdom to understand the situation and act with discretion by departing from what would be evil and doing what would be righteous. Why do what is righteous? Because the Lord says to do what is right and I revere His Word so I will act in accordance with what he says is right regardless of my personal preference to do what may be wrong.

Get wisdom which gives the understanding of the situation so that you employ the correct instruction. Discretion comes into play when you are in a situation and you need to act wisely. In order to act wisely you must be able to understand the situation and what instruction should be followed and then following that instruction is acting discretely.

“In other words: if instructed to only seek instruction, is the person ever in command of any act?

If the instruction is to seek instruction so as to act positively, then what is to be done when the instruction is to only seek instruction?”

The act of seeking is doing something. I would say one would seek (learn) instruction so as to have that instruction filed away so that when the occasion comes to act in a situation, the instruction is banked and can be drawn upon.

I am sitting in a waiting room so I do not have internet access so I am going to try to quote this passage: Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world, but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind that ye may prove what is that good and acceptable will of God is.

Seeking instruction so as to have instruction ready for use is part of renewing the mind; i.e. The child (or adult) received instruction which gave him the wisdom to understand the situation and to act discretely.
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“Do remember a story about faulty Chinese parts in U.S. Military hardware?”

No., but I think you told me that electric cars had faulty gauges so as to not give a precise measurement of use…on purpose. But I am thinking that was Japan. Is it not ridiculous that we trust the Chinese for part to be installed in military hardware?
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“That is what I've been trying to say, since this is our best chance, our window of opportunity, while U.S.A. Inc. (LLC) is being BUSTED, the actual Tax Payers (Victims) are relatively strongest compared to the Legal Criminals at this point in The Business Psycho.”

Why are we stronger when we are being busted? Is it because we are not looking to enjoy the boom so we are searching to fix a problem? (We, Friends of Liberty)

In the Money Masters when the congress got rid of the Fed or the Bank the banksters busted the economy so that the people and congress would come back to their demise because they could only see the banksters as the solution to the problem. So Joe, what you are saying is that when the banksters bust us we need to have parallel currencies ready so that we do not go crying back to the banksters for help?
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“And, to top it all off, the sitting president is a Marxist Leninist?
And "we" have to conserve our republic government by breaking the fingers and the hips of the supporters of a Conspiracy Theorist (Ron Paul) who is ruining our chances to elect a known Liar who sympathizes with Communist "Health Care" so as to overthrow a known Marxist Leninist who sympathizes with Communist "Health Care"?”

Josf, I am surprised to hear you talk like that. Are you being serious?

“So, then, is equity the opposite of iniquity?”

Yes, you were right, I thought I knew something and I was wrong about what I thought I knew. I wonder what else I think I know?
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Ron Paul used the word fraud last night on the Jay Leno show, is that a coincidence? My ears are bad, I may not have heard right.

Yes, I heard that! He said some things in his Tampa rally speech as well. I can’t remember what the words were exactly right now. For some reason I am thinking he called it “Fluff” instead of fraud? It was a lengthy speech. Did you hear it? I saved the link. Here it is in case you want it:

http://www.dailypaul.com/251119/full-unedited-ron-paul-speec... http://youtu.be/Sj-huXq_ts8 at time 29 Dr. Paul begins talking about communism and quotes 200 million deaths. (seems I remember being questioned on my number, but I misquoted maybe by adding the word Bolshevik to the word Communism and Dr. Paul may have also been speaking of other tyrannical regimes than just involuntary communism.
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“If his message is ONLY for other people to consider the concept of avoiding any contact with evil government people, if that is all he is advising, then I agree with it. If he is advising other things, such as "if you can't beat em': join em'", then I can't agree with that, it is wrong.”

For some reason I think he is saying, if you can’t beat them politically, then ignore them politically, and by ignoring them you will beat them. Have I missed something or interpreted wrongly?
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"And it seems to me that if he is giving the wrong opposite advice that he is actually doing negative work. A negative error in the checkbook is really bad because it takes an amount to get back to 0 and then that amount again to get to the positive amount. So if by inaction Lew is causing a deficit to Liberty, then his message is really causing something that takes twice as much positive power to overcome."

YOU: That is valuable on it's face, to me, it is a good form of a dictate, it is very valuable as a message of meaning while you employ the tool of English language.
That lacks a specific example to prove the point.

Well then, how about a point. Joe Kelley Runs for office in 1996 and wins. What would have been the effect of the truth told and implemented by Joe Kelley as opposed any of the opposite achieved by the person who was elected into office?

Joe Kelley: no involuntary taxes. What positive effect would that have had in the lives of his constituents in context with the negative effect of the taxes paid during that time when Joe Kelley would have been in office? How would the no involuntary taxes implemented by Joe Kelley have affected the power of Legal Criminals while Joe Kelley was in office?

Would the power granted to Joe Kelley’s constituents have been reciprocal to the power lost by the legal criminals thru no involuntary taxes?

What if people like Joe Kelley never got into office because they never tried because Mr. Rockwell said not to? What if lots of people like Joe Kelley ignored Mr. Rockwell and all tried at the same time? If those people got into office the effect would be positive in opposition to the negative effects by those people not getting info office.

I think Joe’s Law can be written for political economy as well.

I think the opposite of Joe’s Law is what our current political situation is.

What happens when there are more criminals than Friends of Liberty in Office?

How can more Friends of Liberty be in office than Legal Criminals?
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Me: "They don’t know what God’s plan is and Jesus didn’t come back when 200 million were killed by Bolshevik Communism."

You: Correction: The unofficial best rough guess estimate is 20 Million killed by lawful order in Bolshevik Communism, so one less digit doesn't save 180 million people due to a typo. I get the point.”

I noted above that I misquoted Dr. Paul. However I think what he says is that 200 million have died due to following false ideas.

Anyways, Jesus did not come back before or during the deaths of those 200 million so why should he come back and rescue us because we are Americans?

Missing link

"Is the answer to create competitive parallel currencies? Is the answer the Liberty Challenge by which we all agree in sufficient number to create those currencies and use those currencies?"

No, the IRS is integral in The Business Psycho, again like falsehood is integrated with violence, and like politics is integrated with economy, as well as the power of the mind is integrated with the power of the body.

The FED is disconnected from The Government POWER as it is hidden behind the False Front of a Private Corporation, which is now a Legal Person, and more than just any Legal Person, it can Legally commit Fraud in the form of counterfeiting.

But if it were only a private legal person legally counterfeiting the victims of the fraud would learn the truth and then they would find another money to use, since the victims, being victims, would prefer not to be victims, and they would simply choose the better money, money that did not make them victims.

See?

Suppose WallMart, to illustrate the point, was legally allowed to sell every known prescription drug, but they sold only sugar pills, selling sugar pills with different names on the plastic bottles.

How long would that last for WallMart even if the Law was not allowed to accuse WallMart of doing anything wrong, let alone charge anyone at WallMart and then process those who are accused with processes that are supposedly due everyone?

It would not last long because there would be a Euro, or a German Mark, or some other less sugary drug product that you can buy instead of the WallMart sugar pills.

The IRS is the law that informs everyone that they have no choice but to buy the WallMart sugar pills whenever they need drugs.

Germany has a similar IRS, making it a law that Germans have to buy Marks, which are more or less as sugary as Euros, and the Legal Criminals pushing Euros want a Eurocentral IRS demanding a similar MONOPOLY POWER.

The IRS is a Fraud, just like The Federal Reserve, both Frauds became Legal, or semi-legal, crimes in progress in 1913, and the connection is obvious.

One is connected to the other, joined at the hip, like falsehood is connected to violence, and it is quote time again for our fellow Friend of Literature, if not Liberty, the man named Alexander I. Solzhenitsyn.

"We shall be told: what can literature possibly do against the ruthless onslaught of open violence? But let us not forget that violence does not live alone and is not capable of living alone: it is necessarily interwoven with falsehood. Between them lies the most intimate, the deepest of natural bonds. Violence finds its only refuge in falsehood, falsehood its only support in violence. Any man who has once acclaimed violence as his METHOD must inexorably choose falsehood as his PRINCIPLE. At its birth violence acts openly and even with pride. But no sooner does it become strong, firmly established, than it senses the rarefaction of the air around it and it cannot continue to exist without descending into a fog of lies, clothing them in sweet talk. It does not always, not necessarily, openly throttle the throat, more often it demands from its subjects only an oath of allegiance to falsehood, only complicity in falsehood."

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“The Magic Check Book is not a wild fantasy. Ben Bernanke and his Club have control of The Magic Check Book.”

Yes, and I am having some difficulty with my thought process so I know you can help.

A) They [Fed, Bernanke, Legal Criminals] don’t really need our taxes because they can just print money
B) They take our taxes to keep us weak thus giving them more power
This is what I am having trouble with. We end the IRS, they still print money. That is why we must end the fed. How is it that we are supposed to end the Fed?
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How many ways can Liberty be expressed when the power people produce is no longer being sent to Legal Criminals?

The tools we have are still in our control, if we would only use them, such as Trial by Jury, let each other off the hook, and do so publicly, let it be known, by this date, we will no longer punish each other for doing the right things, such as refusing to provide the means by which we suffer.

"Is the answer to create competitive parallel currencies? Is the answer the Liberty Challenge by which we all agree in sufficient number to create those currencies and use those currencies?"

If more that two people are working on exactly what can be done between now and July 4th 2013, how many workable solutions can be invented, produced, published, shared, known, understood, and be ready for the date we Stand on our Calender in Liberty?

"But what will keep the fed from printing money to buy stuff for our demise even if we use other currencies?"

You are already hinting at the answer to that question in some of your other publications on this forum.

When we regain Liberty, when we are IN Liberty, there will then be an exchange rate between accurate forms of Legal Money and any other money produced by anyone, including Euros, Marks, and Federal Reserve Notes.

What is the exchange rate?

Who determines the rate of exchange right now?

The rate of exchange, right now, is determined in part by FRAUD, and in part by Military POWER, and in part by Oil POWER, and in part by The IRS connection as The Good Faith and Credit of The American People, whatever is left of that, is connected to The Federal Reserve Note POWER (value) in finding the rate of exchange between that money and Gold, Silver, Euros, Electricity, Water, drugs, sugar, whatever.

And, of course, the people at The FED can double or cut in half the Legal number of dollars, which is then a halving, or doubling of the value of each unit too, which affects the rate of exchange.

In Liberty a Friend of Liberty won't have to pay National Monopoly Taxes according to a dictated rate of exchange relative to The Dollar money, so what will be the Tax Liability?

NOTE [Edit]: Here my answers may be too confusing, not direct, not to the point concerning Who has the POWER to negotiate an equitable Rate of Exchange between one competitive form of money (such as tomato jar coupons sold by Bear) and Bernanke Bucks sold by The FED, as IN Liberty there is no IRS that subsidizes the value of Bernanke Bucks AT THE COST of tomato jar coupons sold by Bear, in other words Bear is being forced through Fraud to pay Ben Bernanke, under the table, to make Ben Bernanke Bucks more valuable, and that fact is why tomato jar coupons sold by Bear are relatively more costly, higher priced, as Bear "provided the means by which we suffer" through the IRS. The IRS is the Direct Link between the National Fraud Pyramid Scheme, hidden behind the dubious label of "taxation" (without representation), and The People, but not just any of The People, the Direct Link purposefully TARGETS The People who produce anything worth stealing, such as coupons for jars full of tomato preserves sold by credit worthy, honorable, productive, honest, people who put the tomatoes in the jars, sells the coupons, and backs the coupon up with a jar of tomatoes when the holder of the coupon uses that money to buy tomatoes in jars.

So...as Bear is forced to provide the means by which we suffer through the IRS as the IRS demands payments in Bernanke Bucks, the value of each tomato jar coupon goes down, because it costs Bear, more, and more, per jar of tomatoes, while that value is being transferred to Ben Bernanke Bucks, making Ben Bernanke Bucks cost less, at the RATE that Bear is made poorer, with each Ben Bernanke Buck she is forced to get and then pass on to The IRS. The IRS is merely the Goon showing up at the door that says pay me or I will break your legs, call in Insurance, it doesn't matter, call it Fried Chicken if it makes you feel better, if it makes you happy, but you will pay, one way or the other, and you will pay in Ben Bernanke Bucks, because those WILL be the ONE Money POWER, not tomato jar coupons.

Please, please, don't break my legs, can't I just pay my taxes with tomato jar coupons, or tomato jars?

What is the exchange rate, lady, no, are you kidding, my orders are to collect Ben Bernanke Bucks, that is it, and I follow orders, without question, so you had better sell one of those kids off, or do whatever you have to do to get Ben Bernanke Bucks because it is Ben Bernanke Bucks or broken legs, your choice.

In Liberty, such as a Democratic Federated Republic, there is no Direct Taxation from The Federal Government to The People, that was recognized as a very BAD usurpation by such notable people as Patrick Henry, so the Tax Liabilities OWED to The Federal Government, in Liberty, is nothing but voluntary Union Dues paid by State governments and only if the State governors could get away with being part of a Voluntary Union, because The People could run away from a State that did unkind things to The People, so governors had to make the tax payers happy. If payments of Union Dues to a bunch of crooks didn't make The People happy, then The People can vote with their feet to a place were no such Union Dues are paid by governors to a bunch of crooks in Washington, or New York, or at some pompous assembly of Central Bankers Club on Jekyll Island.

End the IRS, and that is like cutting the head off of a snake, where the body of the snake is The Federal Reserve System of Fraud.

No Goons show up at the door making you an offer you can't refuse.

How do we volunteer to stop the IRS, peacefully?

It can be done, is already being done, and more people merely need to get on board the bus that goes the opposite way, the way away from that Lake of Fire.

One Juror can nullify any claim by anyone claiming that failing to pay the IRS a dime is against OUR LAW.

We take back our law.

Why not?

Too many stupid people?

Too many criminals infesting voluntary government in what used to be Liberty?

To many people following orders without question handed down from frauds in suits?

How long does that last?

The answer was answered many times in human history. It does not last, and the end is horrifying.

Why go that way?

The authorities say so?

"The Fed’s contract comes up in 2013. I wonder if they will be re-licensed?"

Like the day the Legal Criminals demolished their own buildings in New York, with innocent people in their buildings that they demolished, the future can be upon us any moment, the future dictated to us by Legal Criminals can happen on whatever schedule they dream up.

We could be using a new blue money, or red money, before the year is over, and who is going to question that move?

I think that the time for the new World Reserve Currency Officially being so named is about 2045, after World War III.

I don't have a Chrystal ball, how long has it been since the end of World War II?

World War III is even less a requirement, for our species, as was World War I and World War II, we don't have to lend moral and material support into it.

We just don't.

But we are, and that is unarguable - irrefutable.

"It is too painful."

Dancing balances things out?

"What do you think about the 9/11 insurance payment. Do you think that was money laundering?"

Answer the question with a thought experiment, what would you demand from which witnesses you question if you were on a juror and the accused is accused of laundering 9/11 insurance payments?

How about Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports as an example of money laundering?

Same thing: if you were on a jury, what would you ask, and who would you be asking, so as to exercise your authority as a member of equitable law in Liberty?

Would you ask someone else if it were an obvious case of fraud if the hired employees were keeping two sets of books, on set to show the victims, and another set to keep track of the money being stolen?

Seriously, you need someone else to clue you in on what defines the meaning of fraud?

What is law supposed to be, according to who?

Due process due everyone without exception?

Why are there exceptions?

"Josf, you could write a book!"

I am, but progress is still in the gearing up phase. Maybe the best books are now written on internet forums.

"I still don’t know what a tin hat is. Will you tell me?"

A Conspiracy Theorist wears a Tin Hat according to The False Script. The Tin Hat is a projected image of some lunatic who thinks that "The Government" is out to get him, and imaginary Death Rays are aimed at the poor psycho, who is suffering from delusions, suffering from paranoia, and the Tin Hat supposedly protects the insane from those Death Rays, or some other such image projected into the Media, so as to shoot the messenger, so as to keep the message power less.

"What is the big picture?"

Friends of Liberty are perfectly capable of inventing, producing, and maintaining voluntary government IN LIBERTY, so Legal Criminals have to DEMONIZE GOVERNMENT, as if a thing can be bad, as if all government is bad, as if there can be no such thing as GOOD government, and in so doing, if that lie is believed, then the victims will never know the way out of their State of being victims by evil people hiding behind "the lesser of two evils".

So...

"...what if we are just being told the government is the enemy so that we fall from within?"

Self government, competitive examples, are divided and conquered inside the self.

How?

Look in the mirror.

Ask that authority staring back, or ask God, whichever works, you have to decide to ask the vital questions and settle for no less than the accurate answers.

"Are you saying our current government/the people in government are being shown as the enemy by our real enemies so that our country will fall from within?"

That happened in 1788 in a Big Way.

The Rebels who fought against the British Invaders were governing themselves. Now that is against the law?

I can show you the law that claims as much.

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ME: "How do you know which media source is a friend or foe?"
You: What is the effect of the message on the target audience?

So, study the effect and I will know the source of the message. i.e., ask the question, “Does this message give or take power?”
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See how fast you catch up? I just recently figured that out, since it has been such a long journey to pick through so much evidence, trying to find Friend from Foe, and it finally dawned on me, to look inside, at the effect of the message upon me, and then use that as evidence concerning the motive behind the message.

Take Alex Jones for example. He wants to get people stirred up and fighting Globalists, and he names names, so to me Alex Jones, himself, is genuine. Alex Jones may be mixed in with people who go against what Alex Jones would naturally do without their "help", but I think Alex Jones is the genuine article, same with Ron Paul, Gerald Celente, and Jesse Ventura.

I didn't have that figure out (look inside myself to see the effect) when Ross Perot was running for President, but at that time the message of National Debt and Capital Flight to China was too accurate to miss the value of the message, so I didn't need the reinforcement of understanding the link between my own feelings concerning the message and the motive behind the message.

Ross Perot was genuine, in my opinion.

Fear Mongers have a motive, an obvious motive, that can be felt, because their messages are designed to cause fear, to cause flight or fight, to make people freeze like a deer in the headlights, or to react violently.

I call Fear Mongers on their invention that I call The Doom Day Parade, like Global Warming and Peak Oil, which are half truths, hoaxes, misdirections, frauds, falsehoods, false fronts, lies, deception, and you are figuring out the ways to know better - quickly.

I don't intend to cause fear when I report on World War III, we have time, we don't have to attend, we can opt out, let those who invest in it have it, should it bother us at all?

"Death and extraction of money to pay for more war?"

The middle men, the specialists who kill very well, may not actually love it, they may just want to get enough work done to retire, so they need the money, but the people ordering all the dead babies, seriously, they don't need money, they can write a check, so what is their motive?

Dead babies.

How can that not be their motive?

If they don't want dead babies, then don't hire so many people, paying them so much money, to kill so many babies.

They want something else, and the way to get what they want requires dead babies to pave the way?

Seriously?

You can't believe those lies can you?

They want dead babies and by their God they are going to get dead babies, and lots of them too.

We are not speaking about nice people.

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"Or are you talking about trying to believe what I tell you about Jesus?"

I went on a tirade concerning my own possible judgement day - I do not want to miss the boat, but we have already been through my inability to believe that someone else dies for my sins, that is still too much for me. It can make sense in an abstract way if your words are understandable, but there is no belief for me in this, so on Judgment Day, for me, God won't like my excuses?

"Those criminals, they have counterfeited that debt and it is theirs."

And my point was that they too will eventually be judged and there won't be any excuses and if anyone is not taxing their moral beings now, failing to do the least taxing thing, finding their own tax liabilities according to their own beliefs, then they aught to, since legal crime debt collectors are marching, coming to a theater near you, and it may be a good idea to have a ready answer for such criminal demands while days are left before the end when the time between now and judgment day has evaporated.

"I believe God is going to be much MORE interested in what I have done with the power that I HAVE than what has been done by someone else with the power that was STOLEN from me."

That is a very competitive angle of view, thanks. It may take awhile for that one to sink in.

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"I believe God is going to be much MORE interested in what I have done with the power that I HAVE than what has been done by someone else with the power that was STOLEN from me."

I am happy about having broken this part of this discussion at that point worth pondering. There is much wisdom in those words. I have to think on that some more, it is very welcome stuff to me.

But, on to the discussion:

"Love is His will. Not something to earn something, but something because you are bought with a price, the price was the blood of His Son."

So, in my language, or from my God's Creation viewpoint, not being someone who has been Born Again, I can begin to see the point about knowing the difference between doing the right thing, no matter what POWER of deception works to move me in the wrong direction, even when doing the least taxing thing appears to me, to be, extreme sacrifice?

I must choose extreme sacrifice when it is the right thing to do, despite any false belief in the right thing being anything but the right thing?

"Relative to that verse...how did Eve act in the garden? Did she fear God in the sense that she followed His instruction not to eat of the Tree of the Knoweledge of Good and Evil? Did she understand what was going on and depart from evil? Or did she humanly rationalize the situation and become deceived by the deceiver?"

Now I am inspired to return back to Proverbs 8, where I found words that made a whole lot of sense to me, at that time, and if my bad memory serves me, I can connect a few dots right here, and I may be able to know better in this taxing work.

The fear of God is what - exactly?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+8&versi...

I like the audio versions, but I found something to cut and paste.

"13 The fear of the Lord is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate."

And:

"Did she fear God in the sense that she followed His instruction not to eat of the Tree of the Knoweledge of Good and Evil?"

Please bear with me here, this isn't simple stuff. I have to work on it.

Fear of the Lord is to hate evil.

Fear is to avoid consuming knowledge of good; relative to evil?

It is less nonsensical for me to work on fear of God as being: to hate evil, or, along the same lines, to avoid knowledge of evil.

That makes sense, as if saying Don't go there, it is evil, so any expense of power in that direction feeds it, like "providing the means by which we suffer".

Fear of God is then a goal of refusing to have anything to do with evil ever.

I prefer to leave semantics arguments out of the discussion so for my part I will explain again, in no uncertain terms, what I think IS evil.

People who resort to deceit, threats of violence, and violence, targeting the innocent, to TAKE life from the innocent, to consume innocence, for fun and profit, is EVIL, and I can say that my knee jerk reaction is to HATE people who are EVIL, so God's word, in this case, in this way, works for me, since it is better to have no part in that HATE stuff, at all, if possible.

The problem, however, arrives at the door, a note from The IRS, for example. You owe me Ben Bernanke Bucks, this many, right here, so...

I don't know, things can get somewhat confusing at times.

"Employment of instruction is to use wisdom to understand the situation and act with discretion by departing from what would be evil and doing what would be righteous. Why do what is righteous? Because the Lord says to do what is right and I revere His Word so I will act in accordance with what he says is right regardless of my personal preference to do what may be wrong."

I agree, perhaps not word for word, but in principle who could not agree?

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“In other words: if instructed to only seek instruction, is the person ever in command of any act?

If the instruction is to seek instruction so as to act positively, then what is to be done when the instruction is to only seek instruction?”

The act of seeking is doing something. I would say one would seek (learn) instruction so as to have that instruction filed away so that when the occasion comes to act in a situation, the instruction is banked and can be drawn upon.
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This too agrees with my progress to this point in time and place, and I prefer to be, again, more specific, and less ambiguous concerning what is right and what is wrong, as I may have discovered some important instructions.

Competitively offered (in the spirit of liberty):

Right is that which employs the power given to make power abundant because power is required to sustain life.

Wrong is that which employs the power given, to take that power, and then to destroy life with that power stolen, for personal gain, or just for the Hell of it.

"Seeking instruction so as to have instruction ready for use is part of renewing the mind; i.e. The child (or adult) received instruction which gave him the wisdom to understand the situation and to act discretely."

It may be helpful to me, if you would please, define the intended meaning of the word "discretely".

"Get wisdom which gives the understanding of the situation so that you employ the correct instruction. Discretion comes into play when you are in a situation and you need to act wisely. In order to act wisely you must be able to understand the situation and what instruction should be followed and then following that instruction is acting discretely."

I can see that the meaning of the word "discretely" is synonymous to the word righteous or the term sound judgment, or even accurate discrimination, or competitive evaluation?

In time and place rubber meets road and there is no time left for observation, orientation, and decision?

It may be a good idea to do the least taxing thing now?

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“Do remember a story about faulty Chinese parts in U.S. Military hardware?”

No., but I think you told me that electric cars had faulty gauges so as to not give a precise measurement of use…on purpose. But I am thinking that was Japan. Is it not ridiculous that we trust the Chinese for part to be installed in military hardware?
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I can dig up a link with a Google Search because this type of CLUE may help support the understanding that the "authorities" are Evil.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/made-in-china-u-s-military-f...

The "News" of this is all over the place, so that fact is another clue.

How can the excuse of the need to provide the means by which we suffer be The Domino Theory, whereby U.S.A. Inc. (LLC), or The Dollar Hegemony, The Good Guys, have to "Fight them over there, so that we don't have to fight them over here." and "The Enemies of our Enemies are our Friends", and China is now Capitalist, and China is still Communist, and if we let one Nation State fall into the hands of our Enemies who are our Enemies, not our friends, then another, then another, then another Enemy of our Friends goes the way of Socialism, or is it Terrorism, whatever, and so "we" borrow the money we need to fight the Chinese Communists by borrowing the money we need from Chinese Communists, or Chinese Capitalists, and then we cry the blues when they send us defective Military Parts, Made in China, where there is so much Inhumane Treatment of the Tax Payers, etc., and one of those Tax Payers stands in front of a Tank in Tienanmen Square to show how Rebels are supposed to act during an insurrection against criminal governments, but that kind of stuff is cause for torture and Capital Punishment here at home, such as Waco, for example.

Well, now, that is news?

The money we borrow from China is then used to Police the World with the parts we buy from slaves in China and now our hardware may not work when we go up against China in World War III?

So, I'm the nutcase, for smelling a rat?

And the rat smell is reeking from Wall Street, The Dollar Hegemony, Washington, or the people like Ben Bernanke with his smug face as he refuses to disclose trade secrets to Ron Paul?

Where are my down votes when I need them?

Where are my blinders, ear plugs, and my muzzle when I really need them?

What happens when my blinders, ear plugs, and my muzzles are Made in China DURING the World War III that I am currently investing heavily, without any hedge fund?

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“That is what I've been trying to say, since this is our best chance, our window of opportunity, while U.S.A. Inc. (LLC) is being BUSTED, the actual Tax Payers (Victims) are relatively strongest compared to the Legal Criminals at this point in The Business Psycho.”

Why are we stronger when we are being busted? Is it because we are not looking to enjoy the boom so we are searching to fix a problem? (We, Friends of Liberty)
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This would be a whole Chapter in a book, but I can try to condense things down to a more manageable sound bite (Giant Wall of Text).

The concept of the Power Struggle between Friends of Liberty (who do NOT resort to deceit, threats of violence, and violence upon the innocent as a means of fun and profit) and Friends of Legal Crime (who do resort to deceit, threats of violence, and violence upon the innocent as a means of fun and profit), that concept of that Power Struggle, is RELATIVE as power shifts from the source of POWER, which is honest, honorable, productive, cooperative, PEOPLE, flowing to Legal Criminals, as those honest people provide the means by which they suffer.

So when are the productive people the most POWERFUL relative to the criminals?

You have to understand The Business Psycho to answer the question accurately, it seems to me, to be, the vital missing link.

Ron Paul says as much.

People must get a handle on The Business Cycle (Psycho).

When the One Legal Money is on the verge of complete collapse, that is a signal, that is a clue, as to what the RELATIVE power level is between Masters and Slaves.

Slaves are at their most powerful STATE of being at that point.

Why?

You ask why, and you can help me answer that question accurately, because it is a vital question, and therefore the accurate answer is demanded, not a counterfeit, misleading, answer.

Too many of the victims are waking up.

Too many of the victims are becoming former victims.

This happens regularly.

What do the Masters of The People on Earth do, at that point?

You are clueless?

They heavily invest YOUR earnings in World War, or Civil War, or any War, and they do so by taking everything they can take, and then arming up as many well paid human drones (or now mechanical drones) as possible, anywhere, and everywhere, to cause, on their schedule, as much HELL ON EARTH that they can cause with the power they stole from you, and everyone else who produces more power than they can consume.

They don't steal from welfare cases, like Ben Bernanke, Mr. Food Stamp Consumer Number 1, the biggest Welfare Mama on the Planet Earth to date, no, no, no, the source of Tax Revenue, and therefore the source of Purchasing Power in The Dollar, are those who make power make more power, power that is worth stealing, and then power that is worth investing in things that keep the victims divided, confused, and paying up when told to pay up.

Just before Legal Criminals "pull the trigger" on their heavy investments (of your power) into World War, the victims are the most powerful they can get, relative to the Legal Criminals, because NO ONE HAS ANY MONEY at that point.

At that point MONEY is WORTHLESS.

At that point all the POWER has been spent on making things for WAR, and so, well, we damn well better use it, or the whole investment will be for naught.

So, what happens if no one shows up for World War III?

There is a mad scramble to invent, produce, and maintain a competitive money that works best in the work that results in power making more power?

What do we buy then?

What do we buy with all that power if we are no longer heavily investing in "the means by which we suffer"?

Pyramids?

Underground Bunkers?

We buy that stuff?

With whose money?

When legal Criminals are BOOMING, as they did in The Roaring Twenties, is there a perceptive need to challenge authority?

What is the level of awareness, which is a power, concerning "hey, ahhh, I smell a rat."?

When is that aggregate sum total of POWER to know better most POWERFUL?

Is it at that point in time just before Legal Criminals have to push the resent button, scrambling everyone's brains, giving everyone a ticket to a new World War, complete with a New Hitler to rally the troops, to save the children, to free the slaves, to Honor, to Battle, for OUR COUNTRY, and we are all either with US or we are all Terrorists?

They love to torture and mass murder, and they don't need an excuse, but when the natives grow restless, what other options do they have, but to do what they do best?

BUST!

And just before bust turns into boom, the victims are at their most powerful STATE relative to the Legal Criminals BECAUSE no one has any Legal Power to Purchase. The Legal Criminals kill their goose that lays the golden eggs. They cut their own throats, and while they are busy cutting their own throats, we opt out.

How?

Product 1 and Product 2.

or

End the FED (by replacing it with something better)
End the IRS (by replacing it with something better)
Bring the Troops Home (by not sending them anywhere other than home)

When can those things be done?

If those things can't be done when we are strongest, can those chores be done when we are weakest, such as the weaknesses purchased during BOOMS?

What me worry? Legal Fraud Money is flowing like water to scoundrels who then allow some of the money to "trickle down" into the hands of actual productive people?

Boom baby boom, let's party, and that just happens to happen after World Wars?

Where did all the POWER come from, AFTER making Steams of 4 Engine Bombers loaded with Bombs, steams of Passenger Planes (with bombs as passengers) that take hours to pass over a spot on the ground, and despite all that expense used only to destroy things, despite that, we can BOOM none-the-less after the World Wide Carnage?

Why boom and bust on their schedule as they take our power to spend it for us?

Why not avoid the whole Business Psycho instead?

When?

When are we at our strongest relative to the people collecting that which constitutes US providing the means by which we suffer - those Ben Bernanke Bucks?

When are we strongest?

When are Ben Bernanke Bucks weakest?

Just before the storm, when hyperinflation has not yet set in, it seems to me, we are strongest, we Friends of Liberty, when our number is most focused upon our imminent demise at the hands of a few very powerful criminals with badges.

Opt out.

Each of us can invent, produce, and maintain our own special ways of opting out of the ONE FINAL SOLUTION, this World War Investment, that someone, somewhere, is buying, without question, without doubt, it is being bought, and where do they get the POWER TO PURCHASE such OBAMANATIONS?

Don't get up.

Don't go to the bathroom.

Don't look in the mirror.

The concept of judging thy self, it seems to me, does not require a thing to hold or hang on a wall.

Looking in the mirror is a figure of speech.

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"In the Money Masters when the congress got rid of the Fed or the Bank the banksters busted the economy so that the people and congress would come back to their demise because they could only see the banksters as the solution to the problem. So Joe, what you are saying is that when the banksters bust us we need to have parallel currencies ready so that we do not go crying back to the banksters for help?"

Yes, you got it. That sounds reasonable to me, does it sound reasonable to you too?

"Josf, I am surprised to hear you talk like that. Are you being serious?"

Mrs. Bear, you have been through a lot, and you have this power of sympathy, if not empathy, so consider the position I put my wife in, when this serious guy she married is planning on marching to Washington armed; while she is very depressed, has very little income herself, and there are two mouths to feed other than her own?

How serious can I get if Waco begins again down the street?

I'm going to sit on my hands, get out my ear plugs, my blinders, and my muzzle - Made in China?

What is the difference between another Waco happening on the end of my suburban street and a wedding or funeral being blown up by Executive Order somewhere in Pakistan?

Distance?

The targets of Executive Order deserve everything that "we" send them, paid for with our Ben Bernanke Bucks?

I can invent my own excuses, I don't need no sinking Panderers, as well paid as they may be, to invent excuses for me?

Sycophants anonymous?

"For some reason I think he is saying, if you can’t beat them politically, then ignore them politically, and by ignoring them you will beat them. Have I missed something or interpreted wrongly?"

That is my estimate of Lew Rockwell, a genuine honest person, and again he advice may work very well on some people, or for some people, while other people aught to know better, like Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is a specialist, a long legacy of promoting Liberty, and that Stands, no matter what may happen next.

"How can more Friends of Liberty be in office than Legal Criminals?"

That is where Trial by Jury rears it's ugly head.

Rendering "public office" harmless to tax payers, is not the same thing as rendering "public office" harmless to would be invaders of our Liberty.

What is in effect now is Legal Crime, so Legal Criminals take POWER from Victims and then they reward themselves for doing so, and how can that stop?

"How can more Friends of Liberty be in office than Legal Criminals?"

Stop paying them so well for stealing from us, and that can be done in as many ways as there are people in We The People. Trial by Jury provides ONE possible avenue by which individual members of We The People express their POWER OF VETO.

Kings in their own Castles are empowered to Nullify any Dictate handed down by an pompous Dictator.

We can hand each other get out of free cards, and the stack of cards can be larger than any stack of law books in any law library.

How is that not true?

Have you ever sat on a Jury?

If We The People are all Dictators hiding behind Sheep Clothing, then we will cut each others throats, and we won't need any instruction to do so, we will love it, we will volunteer, but that is not likely to be the case as told by such things as The National Debt Clock.

There are many more payees than there are collectors of National Debt.

We are not, as Legal Criminals are apt to LIE, paying each other, it is a case of very many, some 95 percent, more or less, paying TO some 5 percent.

Sheep versus Wolves?

Who sits on Juries?

Sheep?

Wolves?

Masters or Slaves and that is it?

What happened to all of God's Children?

What ever happened to the righteous among our number?

Too busy making up that National Debt?

How can we take the dictators out of dictatorship?

Stop letting them set their pay rate.

Stop providing the means by which we suffer.

We suffer less.

Once that is done, there can still be Dictators aiming at organized crime at the Gate, with or without badges, with or without Red Uniforms, or Blue Uniforms, we don't have to give up a Powerful Military Defensive Force, why would we have to do so?

Stop letting our elected Dictators set their own pay rate.

What happens?

We can stop paying the ones we don't like, if we want to stop paying the ones we don't like, and if there are none that we don't like, we pay NONE.

Is that going to happen?

We The People run out of the supply of ready Dictators to choose from to hire them to organize a defensive force?

Really, that can happen, and that can happen because there are not enemies anywhere, organized or not, with or without badges, terrorizing the innocent?

No demand for defense, and therefore no demand for defenders who specialize in organizing effective defense, at a pay rate of our choosing?

How do we choose to pay only the rate we want to pay someone for organizing our mutual defense against injury at the hands of criminals with or without badges and Red or Blue Uniforms, and papers that authorize their POWER to injure us at will?

Trial by Jury exemplifies one possible method available to any one of the Kings, or Queens, who reside in their Castles in Liberty.

Stop sending the worst among us so much POWER?

How?

Stop using their Fraud money, by starting to use something that is less fraudulent?

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"Anyways, Jesus did not come back before or during the deaths of those 200 million so why should he come back and rescue us because we are Americans?"

Truth be told?

I can't answer that question. I can guess. Those who fail to know better will pay that price.

Joe

On the topic of Ron Paul and TSA:

On the topic of Ron Paul and TSA:

A)Did you answer my question?

B) Is the question not worthy because it is along the line of doing the least taxing on the Road to Liberty?

C) The same person that advocates doing the least taxing along the lines of liberty is the one who wrote the article so the answer is my last question: Is Lew Rockwell trustworthy?

D) You don't get the memos either, so who knows the truth? Doug Wead: http://youtu.be/wbrUPtwIKuk at time 18:15 speaks on this topic.

Doug Wead also talks about those "gas chambers" in the form of human starvation by cage. He says Washington and Hamilton were not criminals. What do you think about that? Maybe Mr. Wead does not yet know about Patrick Henry and Spooner on the Constitution?

OK, here we go...again...I have a bunch of posts that I have left unanswered by me and continue to proceed down the path of asking Josf new questions in new posts. So I have OBSERVED.

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Accuracy as a goal

I think that you can trust Lew Rockwell to be a very accurate source of information on Libertarian Capitalism.

I think that Lew Rockwell can be trusted to hide any information pertaining to Equitable Commerce and The Science of Society since those sources of accurate information are proven to be competitive alternatives to Libertarian Capitalism.

There is all the room in the world for voluntary government, voluntary capitalism, voluntary socialism, and voluntary anything in Equitable Commerce and The Science of Society, but Libertarian Capitalism leaves no room for Equitable Commerce as far as I know so far.

I can't offer any accurate information concerning lies told by Lew Rockwell or Ron Paul, since I know of no such thing, but they cannot be sat down in front of me to answer questions I may ask of them, and therefore the information required to answer your questions accurately is missing.

These:

"A)Did you answer my question?"

I guessed at possible answers. I trust that Lew Rockwell will keep secrets so as to gain advantage over competitors.

"B) Is the question not worthy because it is along the line of doing the least taxing on the Road to Liberty?"

These types of questions (Friend or Foe?) are essential to Liberty and Life, but who would pay the costs if my answers are dictatorial answers that "TELL YOU THE TRUTH", but are wrong answers, so that you are then mislead, AND, you are disarmed: no longer reaching for more accuracy in answering these vital questions?

"C) The same person that advocates doing the least taxing along the lines of liberty is the one who wrote the article so the answer is my last question: Is Lew Rockwell trustworthy?"

I trust everything he has written or said so far to be the honest truth, but again he misses vital information as if that vital information does not exist, but it does exist, so what explains the vacuum?

The example for "missing information" concerns the statements made by The Austrian Economics Founding Father Karl Menger with two specific things said along the lines of "everyone" will always work to gain as much advantage over everyone else and if that was not enough the report from Austrian Economist Central is that scarcity is wealth where there is no wealth if there is abundance.

That is very narrow minded, as if charity does not exist, and it entirely misses the full and accurate measure of productive power which is impossible to be scarce so why not see that as a fact, why miss that vital information, why would anyone construct a whole Political and Economic System, or Plan, or Theory, based on half truths?

I have my guesses, and I stated my guesses in the other post.

Those people who have figured out how to play the Legal Crime game do not want their Golden Parachutes poked with holes, they don't want people rocking the boat. So they say things like Government did it, or Keynesian Economics did it, and that is the Big Lie used by all the criminals in all of human history.

Anything but accurate accounting of responsibility for what is or is not done is part and parcel to crime, especially crime made legal.

Note: On the road away from Legal Crime and moving back toward Liberty, the information provided by Lew Rockwell, Gerald Celente, Alex Jones, Jesse Ventura, Noam Chomsky, and many others on the left or right, is accurate and useful to a point. The information provided by Ron Paul, on the other hand, is actionable and leads toward true freedom from Legal Crime such as:

1.
End The FED
2.
End the IRS
3.
End the Aggressive Wars for the profit of a few

Imagine uncovering, for example, an account that shows how someone has purchased large amounts of Aggressive Wars for profit stocks, bonds, treasury bills, and other instruments of death that pay so well while the boat is sailing into World War III, what would that information tell you if you found that out about someone?

When I went to the Austrian Economics Financial Markets Conference in Las Vegas, I think it was the same year I ran for office, 1996, but I may be wrong, and I can no longer find on the Internet the speech by Ron Paul where he appears to mention me, and some other person, in the audience.

I spoke to a few people at that conference. I paid to go there, and I paid to listen, and I wanted to ask questions. I found a sign at a table and a basket and the sign was a solicitation for written questions to ask the speakers who would be speaking in the 2 days that were scheduled.

I filled the basked up with questions having to do with The Power of the Internet, and the Power flowing to China, and questions that challenge the whole capitalist trade secret POWERS. I did not copy the questions to keep in case my questions were ignored or lost, and that was a mistake on my part.

Lew Rockwell was there too.

At the end of the first day, the speaker announced that the "hard" questions submitted by the audience would be answered the next day, and there was no other acknowledgement concerning my questions, and the next day came and went, and none of my questions were acknowledged or answered except by a speaker who said the following words:

If you can't beat em', join em'.

That, to me, was the answer that answered all my questions. They are in a Club of people who have "joined em'", and they know I am not in that club, and they don't want me in that club.

Ron Paul, in his speech, said that there were 2 anarchists in the audience, and I think that Ron Paul was informed about me, because of the questions I asked, and so those people in The Club were, and I'm guessing, insulating Ron Paul from unsavory characters?

Ron Paul said basically the same things he always says, including the Bring the Troops Home messages.

So The Club of people who Joined the Profits for War, since they can't beat em', probably don't want that Meat Grinder grinding all that meat, but so long as it is grinding, they can get their piece of the action?

That, again, is a theory, in the absence of information and you can't claim that I don't go looking for the answers. I have looked for the answers, and they (Lew Rockwell and The Club of Investors) keep the answers secret.

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"D) You don't get the memos either, so who knows the truth? Doug Wead: http://youtu.be/wbrUPtwIKuk at time 18:15 speaks on this topic."

Not only do I not get the memos, in fact, documented fact, I am shut out of networks, and I am censored regularly as I seek voluntary answers to voluntary questions.

If law is a process due everyone, not just a few, then law could be a tool that uncovers, documents, and makes "public" all the vital questions sought by anyone, without exception, in any case of any law broken by anyone anytime.

I paid to get answers, traveling to Las Vegas, and the answer I got was priceless?

"If you can't beat em': join me'."

" He says Washington and Hamilton were not criminals. What do you think about that? Maybe Mr. Wead does not yet know about Patrick Henry and Spooner on the Constitution?"

I may have to listen to Mr. Wead, but there is no absence of information that challenges Hamilton and Washington as good guys.

So I'm special, I just happen to know better?

How about a trial, us two, concerning Hamilton in particular, and the concept of creating a National Debt so as to, supposedly, create The Good Faith and Credit of the American People?

Did Mr. Wead buy some of that Brooklyn bridge stock?

Do you understand the concept of put options, futures, and selling short?

This may help:

http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/jimbellap.htm

I know, how much I know you may not know, but I know that this is very taxing, me throwing out all this information. I can condense that last link.

There is a method by which the many are controlled by the few and it is called investment, and if enough power is invested into rewarding people for bad things if, by chance, bad things happen, well...

If you can't fill in the blank, as to what does happen after well..., then I can spoon feed that realization into your sponge like brain, and you may suddenly have a light bulb moment.

I can also tell you that this practice of selling short, or this practice of put options, or this practice of investing in bad things, is not new.

If you go back to Lysander Spooners work on Trial by Jury you can find an interesting series of symbols in English to which I will find and quote from that work:

"Under the Saxon laws, fines, payable to the injured party, seem to have been the common punishments for all offences. Even murder was punishable by a fine payable to the relatives of the deceased. The murder of the king even was punishable by fine. When a criminal was unable to pay his One, his relatives often paid it for him. But if it were not paid, he was put out of the protection of the law, and the injured parties, (or, in the case of murder, the kindred of the deceased,)were allowed to inflict such punishment as they pleased. And if the relatives of the criminal protected him, it was lawful to take vengeance on them also. Afterwards the custom grew up of exacting fines also to the king as a punishment for offences"

If you do not connect these dots then I can connect them for you.

President Kennedy, for example, was murdered, and as King he knew the stakes, and the "lone gunman theory" is just another False Front hiding the facts. There are lone murderers, and then there are groups of people who have collected their combined power into funds, banks of power, where that power is then invested in accomplishing certain tasks, and that is how that works no matter what English symbols are used to label those things happening that way.

English words:

"The murder of the king even was punishable by fine."

Do you know what a put option is, or a futures investment?

Do you know what selling short means?

If there is ONLY a fine to be paid for The Murder of The King, then an investor can promise to pay the fine, and hire a killer to do the deed, and if the deed can be done that way, what, in English, do you call that murder, where that murder is punished in that way?

If a King was rich enough to pay the fines on murdering all those people in Iraq, and soon Iran, then why not do all that murder, if it was possible to seize control of the oil, and then protect the value of the Legal Money Monopoly Power?

Why does that work that way?

Because The People have to pay the fines when The People have been fooled into thinking that National Debt is required so as to GIVE The People Good Faith and Credit.

The Big Lie, obviously, is the fact that The People Earn their Good Faith and Credit themselves, they already have that POWER, and they don't need a Notional Debt, run up by a well organized crime ring made legal, to get what they already have earned.

The Federal Reserve Criminals claim to be The Lender of Last Resort.

Do you believe that claim?

Do you even believe that they claim that claim?

Do you understand that that is the same claim made by Hamilton concerning the need for a National Debt so as to GIVE The People Credit?

The Criminals spend the money they borrow from The People and then The Criminals hand The People the bills, while the Criminals (legal) claim to be The LENDERS.

Don't you see?

If the Speaker says Hamilton is a good guy, then I have a few questions concerning such a claim, since there are few possibilities concerning such a claim.

Good is equal to Fraud.

If Fraud is Good, then Hamilton is one of the good guys.

"OK, here we go...again...I have a bunch of posts that I have left unanswered by me and continue to proceed down the path of asking Josf new questions in new posts. So I have OBSERVED."

Know better, because the alternative costs too much, and you may pay a portion of those costs, but the bear cubs are next in line.

To me, and you can certainly question my authority, but to me a parent who puts their head back in the sand (or join's them because they claim that they can't be beaten) is pushing their children ahead in the line that goes to the meat grinder.

Put a uniform on them, send them off to keep the profits flowing?

Joe

Mind Reader

OK Josf…Do not disarm me by telling me I am seeing red and foaming at the mouth. Because I understand that. But there are still things I do not understand, even though over and over you answered my questions, my sponge brain is still not absorbing everything. Besides, I want a discriminate sponge. So, I need help with these terms:

“Keynesian Socialists” and “Austrian Capitalists”

I think if socialist is a foam-at-the-mouth, see red word you should change it to a new word. Maybe a new word that has not been used very much. Then you can define it as you go. That way it does not already have a bad rap in everyone else’s mind even though in your mind it is clear. That is what I think. Still, I want you to define those words for me again please. There is so much I do not understand and that I haven’t absorbed. I realize you have had me read source documents, some of which I have not finished, some of which I have skimmed, some of which I have read but perhaps not correctly interpreted because of the “foam at the mouth syndrome.”

I think there are already voluntary social/communal societies in the US: http://peacefulsocieties.org/Society/Hutter.html This one is Anna Baptist but there are non religious groups too: They co-exist with capitalists as a far as I know.

I’m cooking beef stew tonight. I observed, oriented, decided and acted and came up with a dinner that Josf cooked not too long ago. It is a dinner that I used to cook before the boys were born. I believe I have only cooked it a couple of times in the last 10 years.

“I trust everything he [Lew Rockwell] has written or said so far to be the honest truth, but again he misses vital information as if that vital information does not exist, but it does exist, so what explains the vacuum?
The example for "missing information" concerns the statements made by The Austrian Economics Founding Father Karl Menger with two specific things said along the lines of "everyone" will always work to gain as much advantage over everyone else and if that was not enough the report from Austrian Economist Central is that scarcity is wealth where there is no wealth if there is abundance.
That is very narrow minded, as if charity does not exist, and it entirely misses the full and accurate measure of productive power which is impossible to be scarce so why not see that as a fact, why miss that vital information, why would anyone construct a whole Political and Economic System, or Plan, or Theory, based on half truths?
I have my guesses, and I stated my guesses in the other post”

Well to me it seems if vital information is left out on purpose then I cannot trust the person at all because they are being deceptive to their benefit and perhaps to my detriment. They become the gatekeeper of information.

a) So to me the question is does he understand the information and is he choosing to leave it out.
b) He believes the information to be dangerous Take your pick 1) to his information or 2) to society in general

I would have to say though that Greg P seems to consider Menger’s premise that "everyone" will always work to gain as much advantage over everyone else as true because Greg believes we evolved from animals and it is the animal instinct that drives humans to dominate one another thus the need for sortition.

Honestly, I think maybe it is the word EVERYONE that you have in quotes. As you have pointed out, not “everyone” will do that. But perhaps sufficient numbers of people will, and that is the need for government. However, when that government is taken over by Legal Criminals, then they have become that which they are supposed to be protecting against. How do you keep Criminals out of a voluntary social society?

I think you have said: stortition within a Democratic Confederated Republic and Trial by Jury? But who makes the laws? Are the laws limited to only “Do no Harm?” Who decides what harm means, and thus the “is is” problem begins. The Jews had the Law of Moses. The Sadducees and Pharisees defined that law with more rules so much so that the Spirit of the Law was lost and the victims were under a weight that even the law makers would not bear themselves so those Religious Police began to make public displays of their “righteousness” and all the while they had unrighteousness within.

“Those people who have figured out how to play the Legal Crime game do not want their Golden Parachutes poked with holes, they don't want people rocking the boat. So they say things like Government did it, or Keynesian Economics did it, and that is the Big Lie used by all the criminals in all of human history.”

So the Criminals made themselves laws to make themselves Legal Criminals. So Keynesianism didn’t do it, the criminals did it with Keynesianism. That makes sense. But let me ask this question. Are some systems more prone to Criminal mischief than others? What system was in place before Keynesianism? Austrianism or was it something else? You seem like you could be pointing a finger at RP. Is that why you said in your mind you were a better candidate than he with the English language? Is he playing the Legal Crime game? Or maybe the terms Keynesianism is used as part of the game to win the game for Liberty? Perhaps Austrianism is used offensively as a Trojan? And in the belly are the 3 lethal weapons: 1) End the Fed 2) End the IRS 3) Bring the troops home?

“Note: On the road away from Legal Crime and moving back toward Liberty, the information provided by Lew Rockwell, Gerald Celente, Alex Jones, Jesse Ventura, Noam Chomsky, and many others on the left or right, is accurate and useful to a point. The information provided by Ron Paul, on the other hand, is actionable and leads toward true freedom from Legal Crime such as:…”

I suppose it is not fair of me to criticize LR regarding political non consent when I haven’t read his theory. But I see it as diametrically opposed to Ron Paul’s plan using political activism. In my mind I cannot bring the 2 guys together. Does LR only support Ron Paul for his own personal commercial reasons? Or am I going too far down the road I believe you may have suggested. It seems to me he is an enemy. IMO All the energy spent on political non action if it spent on Ron Paul’s plan could have perhaps jettisoned the cause of Liberty even further thru activism.

“Imagine uncovering, for example, an account that shows how someone has purchased large amounts of Aggressive Wars for profit stocks, bonds, treasury bills, and other instruments of death that pay so well while the boat is sailing into World War III, what would that information tell you if you found that out about someone?”

A) That perhaps that person or organization of people had a vested interest in those tools of war for profit?
B) Or perhaps was paid by persons with vested interest in those financial tools using war for profit?
C) That person or organization or people believed that it was necessary to have war to gain profit (Proverbs 1:19 “So are the ways of every one that is greedy of gain; which taketh away the life of the owners thereof.)
D) That person or organization of people believe that the wars are necessary for security of the US.

“When I went to the Austrian Economics Financial Markets Conference in Las Vegas, I think it was the same year I ran for office, 1996, but I may be wrong, and I can no longer find on the Internet the speech by Ron Paul where he appears to mention me, and some other person, in the audience. “

I looked to see what I could find. Here is what I found while looking. I don’t know who Hoope is. http://www.blinkx.com/watch-video/marxist-and-austrian-class...
Or how about this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBI1fv8YrzU Same guy telling Mises how fiat money is possible?

I didn’t listen to these. Just passing them along in case you are interested in them.

JOSF. I HAVE A LINK I CANNOT COPY AND PASTE HERE. I CAN COPY AND PASTE IT IN WORD, BUT NOT HERE. I AM GOING TO TRY TO ADD IT TO ANTOHER SPOT. at about 1.05 minute time Anarchists are identified in the audience. Is this the right one? If so, I think he is saying tongue in cheek because “he said he [himself] is from the government” [and anarchy is anti government]?

“If you can't beat em', join em'.”

Isn’t that what Ron Paul did by joining politics and asking us to consider being politically active? He joined politics, but didn’t join in the seedy side of the game. Now I don’t know what they were talking about at the conference. But could it have meant, if you can’t beat them join them in their came to win the game for Liberty? i.e. as Trojan? Of course I wasn’t there so I don’t know how it was said.

I wish your questions had been addressed. I appreciate you addressing mine. It appears that my final questions to Ed Ucation are not going to be answered unless he does so at a later date. Maybe he don’t know the answers? Maybe they are afraid of the answers? Maybe the answers will make their mind blank and will shake the foundations of their world? I don’t know.

“Ron Paul, in his speech, said that there were 2 anarchists in the audience, and I think that Ron Paul was informed about me, because of the questions I asked, and so those people in The Club were, and I'm guessing, insulating Ron Paul from unsavory characters?”

Because you would tarnish his image? Or what. How would it be “unsavory” to speak with you or to your questions? Because you aren’t a part of the “club.” Ron Paul isn’t a part of the political insider club so I should think he would understand not being a part of the club. But then again, sometimes clubs are filled with snobs?

“So The Club of people who Joined the Profits for War, since they can't beat em', probably don't want that Meat Grinder grinding all that meat, but so long as it is grinding, they can get their piece of the action?”

I surely hope not. Say it isn’t so, Joe:

“That, again, is a theory, in the absence of information and you can't claim that I don't go looking for the answers. I have looked for the answers, and they (Lew Rockwell and The Club of Investors) keep the answers secret.”

Oh good, it is a theory! I see we both try to put pieces together?

“Not only do I not get the memos, in fact, documented fact, I am shut out of networks, and I am censored regularly as I seek voluntary answers to voluntary questions.”

I was hoping maybe on the New Hampshire project that maybe it was an accident since there was no communication. Did you ever try to ask? Maybe some programmer made a mistake and several people got inadvertently flushed down the memory hole?

I wonder if the Tom Woods Liberty Classroom economist would entertain questions if you joined? Are you asking questions to make a point or are the questions asked so you can clarify where you stand or if you need to change your ideas in anyway?

“If law is a process due everyone, not just a few, then law could be a tool that uncovers, documents, and makes "public" all the vital questions sought by anyone, without exception, in any case of any law broken by anyone anytime.”

In my lifetime…law is a process by which information is kept from the public; i.e. I would like to know the truth about JFK. But it is a locked government secret until some year out in the future. Probably after the Legal Criminals have 1 world wide currency and everyone has a chip and can be turned off if they don’t like the truth.

“I may have to listen to Mr. Wead, but there is no absence of information that challenges Hamilton and Washington as good guys. “

Maybe Mr. Wead did not have much of a chance to know the truth about Hamilton since history has been by rewritten non profit Foundations per Norman Dodd? I am hoping that is the case.

“I know, how much I know you may not know, but I know that this is very taxing, me throwing out all this information. I can condense that last link.’

Thank you for the synopsis, I have added to my to watch list.
“English words:
The murder of the king even was punishable by fine.
Do you know what a put option is, or a futures investment?
Do you know what selling short means?”

No, I have heard of those words before but I don’t know what they mean. I am understanding what you are saying about murder for higher, but I do not know what a put option is or a futures investment or selling short means. But I think maybe those consepts were discussed in the “Why are they Spraying” video link. So I think It has something to do with putting ones money at risk to gain should there be a disaster or negative event. (That should be illegal. That is opposite of Joe’s Law and those events can be manipulated and hurt people) So have I voiced the concept correctly? Because you asked and I started to write the answer I began to understand, but until I wrote the answer I was at a loss. That is assuming I have the answer at all correct!

If there is ONLY a fine to be paid for The Murder of The King, then an investor can promise to pay the fine, and hire a killer to do the deed, and if the deed can be done that way, what, in English, do you call that murder, where that murder is punished in that way?”

A) Murder for hire.
B) A bounty: dead, not alive.
C) Could lead to black mail….I am going to have you killed if you do not do such and such because it will only cost me 1x$ to kill you and the benefit of what you can do for me is 5x$ and the benefit of you being dead is 3x$. The choice is yours but one way or another I am going to make a profit off of you, dead or alive.
D) Could lead to paying for the enjoyment of killing, I suppose, as well.
E) Could also have consequences I have not yet thought of and reported back to you, but when a $ value is placed upon a human life there can be a greater value available for that life if that life has any power.
It is a travesty that a dollar amount is fixed upon human life. In God’s Old Testament Law the price was a life for a life for voluntary murder. And you know Joe, you were right about people picking up the stone. The community did it as a whole. Not like we do here thru blind sortition. If all murderers had been put out, maybe we wouldn’t have sociopaths today? Maybe God’s law was to purify the gene pool? Just some thoughts I have had recently as I run into people who have a lot to say about the “evil, blood thirsty” God of the Old Testament .

“The Federal Reserve Criminals claim to be The Lender of Last Resort.
Do you believe that claim?
Do you even believe that they claim that claim?”

I do not know what that means. Who is the lender of the first resort?

“Do you understand that that is the same claim made by Hamilton concerning the need for a National Debt so as to GIVE The People Credit?
The Criminals spend the money they borrow from The People and then The Criminals hand The People the bills, while the Criminals (legal) claim to be The LENDERS.”

Did Hamilton do this on purpose, or perhaps he was tricked?

“If the Speaker says Hamilton is a good guy, then I have a few questions concerning such a claim, since there are few possibilities concerning such a claim. “

Did you listen to him say it? He kinda sounded like he was just throwing out names from history…or perhaps it could have been a well placed statement. I hope he is just not informed. I would have said Hamilton was a good guy less than 6 months ago. I still want him to be a good guy. But I understand he most likely wasn’t. Along with that handheld video/freeze people device, I would also like a mind reading device so I can know the truth of the matter when these people are speaking in public.

http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/proverbs/1-audio.html

I am going to try to give you the audio of each day's Proverb. If it is an irritation to you, let me know and I will not do it.

Deceptive Art?

"“Keynesian Socialists” and “Austrian Capitalists” "

Before I work at unraveling much of the tangled web that those terms weave I think it is important for me to respond to the claim that I disarm you.

Here:

"Do not disarm me by telling me I am seeing red and foaming at the mouth."

If the shoe does not fit, don't wear the shoe, if the shoe fits, then wear the shoe, and if you prefer not to know if you are, or are not, wearing the shoe, then I can be asked not to report that possibility to you, but to claim that I am intending to disarm you, if that is your claim, is an error.

My intention is not to disarm you. I don't wear that shoe. This is very important.

When I test people (friend or foe) I ask what they think about a hand held weapon that immobilizes the target person for 1 hour.

If they jerk their knee they claim, right away, that such a thing must be regulated and kept from the criminals.

That is a Friend of Legal Crime making that claim, that is not a Friend of Liberty. That is a misguided soul, and a foe, someone to be accurately identified as an enemy because, at least, they know not what they do, the costs of their ignorance.

I can test people (friend or foe) with other methods along the same lines, such as asking if there was a hand held lie detector in the same hand held immobilizing defensive weapon, would that help? What is the point?

I'm the one saying that those defensive weapons should be on the shelf at Walmart, if we are very poor people, and those weapons should be "government issue" if we are not as poor.

I'm the one saying arm everyone as fast as possible, and don't worry that the criminals may be armed too, because, in fact, the criminals are already armed to the TEETH, since at least 1788 when they stole government.

I am not the one waving the flag that intends to disarm people, that is not my thing, quite the opposite is my actual intentions.

Arming the innocent targets (productive people) with an opt out POWER is THE POINT.

The criminals don't want the opt out POWER, they already opted out, they opt into Legal Crime, and since they are already armed with that Weapon of Mass Destruction, a lie detector and an immobilizing defensive weapon is not on their list of things to invent, produce, and sell at a bargain, and if someone did invent, produce, and sell at a bargain such devices as a lie detector and an immobilizing defensive weapon they would work to keep all of them for themselves and make it against their laws to allow any of the targeted victims to have anything defensive, including facts concerning law power and defensive weapons authority.

"Do not disarm me by telling me I am seeing red and foaming at the mouth."

OK, I won't, why would I? What inspires you to order me to act in the manner you prefer?

Do you actually think I intend to do anything, ever, to disarm YOU?

You are not a threat to me, why on Earth would I see any need to disarm you?

Are you gathering up all the power you can to then use that collective power to enslave all the productive people?

Even if you were, I am no longer one one of the productive people, at least not measured in Federal Reserve Notes.

Are you gathering up all the power you can collect so as to silence me, if so you are going in the wrong direction if that is the goal, it seems to me, but I can be wrong.

So do I need to begin to distrust your motives, since you think I have reason to disarm you?

"Do not disarm me by telling me I am seeing red and foaming at the mouth."

Nada.

“Keynesian Socialists” and “Austrian Capitalists”

It must first be understood before any power is consumed toward understanding those terms, that those terms can be confused with the counterfeit versions of those terms. It must be understood, in my frame of reference, that the genuine and the counterfeit versions are understandable as voluntary and involuntary versions, and the voluntary versions are genuine and the involuntary versions are counterfeit.

In order to help you understand this potential for confusion I will explain 6 things, not just 2, for reasons that may become clear as you read the list of 7 things, you actually invented a 7th.

1.
Christians
2.
Counterfeit Christians
3.
Socialists
4.
Counterfeit Socialists
5.
Capitalists
6.
Counterfeit Capitalists
7.
Equitablists

There are no counterfeit equitablists, at least not yet.

Christians threaten the POWER of Legal Criminals, so Legal Criminals invent, produce, and maintain a False Front of Counterfeit Christianity to cover up their lies, torture, and mass murder.

If you understand that, which must be true, there is no way that you can't understand that, we have already discovered your understanding of those facts concerning Christians and their Evil Imposters.

You can refuse to ever entertain the possibility that there is a version of socialism worthy of counterfeiting, and you can only see, forever, the Counterfeit (involuntary) versions of Socialism.

See how well Counterfeit versions of Christianity works?

All people see, all they want to see, is the Counterfeit versions of Christianity, because they can now claim that every Christian is the same as every other Christian, they are all guilty of the crimes committed in the name of Christianity, all the torture of the Inquisition, for example, is accurately placed on every person that lends any moral or material support to Jesus Christ. Every one of you, Christians, all of you, without exception, are as guilty as those Christians who tortured people for confessions during the Inquisition.

There is nothing about Christianity worth a damn, because the Counterfeit version of Christianity is the only version that ever existed, exists now, or will exist.

I know better, you know better, but that doesn't matter, because the person who want's to believe that there is only ONE version of Christianity, Socialism, or Capitalism, can see only ONE version, and the version they see, the ONLY version they see, is the bad one.

As to particulars:

Keynes is the name of a person. This person, by my study, my feeble attempts to hold that person to account, was a very effective Legal Criminal. Keynes was able to invent, produce, and maintain a very elaborate fraud upon many targeted victims, and the Austrian Economists correctly point out all the facts about that fraud, as that fraud began in time, and as that fraud continues to this day. Keynesian Economic "Theory" is a Fraud. The Austrian Economists know it, I know it, and the person John Maynard Keynes who invented that fraud knew it was a fraud too.

The dupes who lend moral and material support to Keynesian Economics are ignorant, stupid, mislead, and dangerous since their numbers, added up collectively, constitute a powerful force, and it is a destructive force, since it is led by Legal Criminals who use that POWER to destroy competition. Keynesian Economic "Theory" is a False Front to cover up the same old Legal Monopoly Money Extortion Racket Fraud.

“Keynesian Socialists” and “Austrian Capitalists”

"Keynesian Socialism" is Legalized Crime.

The Austrian Capitalists use the Counterfeit version of Socialism to destroy their competition, as if their competition does not exist, so don't ever think, ever, that there was, is, or can be anything remotely like voluntary socialism, because such a thing does not exist.

Does that sound at all familiar?

You Christians are all as evil as the Inquisitors were during the Inquisition, because there is no such thing as a good Christian, they don't exist.

Does that sound at all familiar?

Keynesian Socialists know, or they say they know, that there are no good Capitalists, since a good Capitalist is a contradiction in terms, there can be no such thing as a good Capitalist, none exist, and this too may sound familiar to you.

I don't know.

"I think if socialist is a foam-at-the-mouth, see red word you should change it to a new word. Maybe a new word that has not been used very much. Then you can define it as you go. That way it does not already have a bad rap in everyone else’s mind even though in your mind it is clear. That is what I think"

An academic study of Socialism was done by Stephen Pearl Andrews, a book he titled The History of Socialism, a book written in the middle of the 19th Century. I cannot find the book.

I see the academic study of Socialism as an interesting use of time and energy, or POWER, and so I would like to get a copy of that book.

That book is so far out of my reach.

I found a copy of The Science of Society, another book by Stephen Pearl Andrews, in a Public Library in Australia. I paid for photo copies of the text mailed to me, I converted those photo copies into digital text, and I helped get that Book circulating the Internet, and since then I even found a hard copy of The Science of Society.

That is all academic study work, reaching for the goal of knowing better.

"I think if socialist is a foam-at-the-mouth, see red word you should change it to a new word. Maybe a new word that has not been used very much. Then you can define it as you go. That way it does not already have a bad rap in everyone else’s mind even though in your mind it is clear. That is what I think."

I can drop socialism all together, and I prefer to do so, but the word isn't mine, it is in general use, and most people use the Counterfeit version of the word, so it is what it is, even if I prefer not to use it, and even if you prefer not to use it.

Why not drop the name Jesus, since so much bad press is attached to that name?

Blasphemy?

I don't ask you to drop the name of Jesus.

People who use the word Socialism may be very attached to their false front, without it their crimes are like the naked Emperor, standing naked. Very few people use the word Socialism to mean something voluntary and competitive, but if they do use the word Socialism to mean something voluntary and competitive, then that is what it IS.

"I think if socialist is a foam-at-the-mouth, see red word you should change it to a new word. Maybe a new word that has not been used very much. Then you can define it as you go. That way it does not already have a bad rap in everyone else’s mind even though in your mind it is clear. That is what I think."

How about getting rid of Socialism altogether, it is not as if Socialism is The Word of God, so Equitablist may work a lot better, if the idea is to combine the good things of Voluntary Socialism with the good things of Voluntary Capitalism?

"They co-exist with capitalists as a far as I know."

I am reminded of Shakespeare: A rose by any other name...

"I’m cooking beef stew tonight."

Now I'm hungry. I use one can of French Onion soup in beef stew.

Edit: I just made some cole slaw for a BBQ later at my brother's house.

"They become the gatekeeper of information."

Please don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Once the deception no longer works on you(after all: you ARE Born Again), their "secrets" are powerless as a means of taking power from you, and in fact, you can now see how pathetic those secrets are, and it is almost as if you are gaining power from them - perhaps.

When the loss of power flowing from victims of deception stops flowing to the deceivers, then the relative measure of that change from growing weaker to no longer growing weaker can seem like gaining power! Not born again, but at least no longer being victim to that deception, whatever that deception may be, it can be as simple as taking the wrong medicine, like, perhaps, trying to eat food to get out of depression, or drink alcohol to escape from reality, once the wrong thing is stopped, it can be as if POWER is flowing from God?

Power is always flowing from God, right, so what stops it?

End the barriers, and what happens?

"They become the gatekeeper of information."

It is pathology. In my opinion.

"I would have to say though that Greg P seems to consider Menger’s premise that "everyone" will always work to gain as much advantage over everyone else as true because Greg believes we evolved from animals and it is the animal instinct that drives humans to dominate one another thus the need for sortition."

I am not so fast with that guess, and GregP, unlike Lew Rockwell, may not have as many insulating barriers, if he can be asked, he can answer for his viewpoints?

I can see evolution as being a human way of perceiving what God does, which can be accurate, or not accurate, in any case whatsoever.

Please consider that there may be a genuine version of Evolution (as reported by Charles Darwin) and a Counterfeit Version of Evolution. I can explain what I have found along those lines, and it is important, if you find the time. I'm thinking that The Beef Stew goal is more productive (relatively speaking).

"How do you keep Criminals out of a voluntary social society?"

1.
End the FED
2.
End the IRS
3.
Bring the Troops Home

If the question is valid then the accurate answer is demanded, not anything less.

"How do you keep Criminals out of a voluntary social society?"

Don't be one.

When you write a sentence, I rewrite it, often.

Example:

"But perhaps sufficient numbers of people will, and that is the need for government."

I rewrite that into this:

But perhaps sufficient numbers of people will, and that is the need for self government.

I do that because I know the following IS true:

Responsibility IS individual.

"I think you have said: stortition within a Democratic Confederated Republic and Trial by Jury?"

The methods of maintaining voluntary government are well known, but to get back to voluntary government there are a few very big obstacles that have to be addressed by a certain date, this to me is irrefutable.

1.
End the FED
2.
End the IRS
3.
Bring the Troops Home

Voluntary things have to be done along those lines and those voluntary things have to be done IN TIME, as World War III approaches, and I can't tell you the score.

I think that there is evidence supporting the measurable accomplishment of those things on that list in time.

There is hope.

Trial by Jury, as a principle, occurs, it happens, all around, it is happening now, if not in a formal sense, if not in an official capacity, it happens, if it did not happen, we would not be a species that grows larger in total numbers, or at least sustains equitable numbers.

When there is no application of trials by juries, no power of that principle applied by anyone, this species, these human beings, in my opinion, our examples of life will consume ourselves, each at each others throat, from behind, in one final orgy of total destruction.

What is the POWER behind peer pressure?

Not the counterfeit version of peer pressure which can be known, and measured, and accurately measured, as Manufactured Consent, what is the natural POWER that is accurately measurable as peer pressure?

Hey you?

What?

You do that, sure, go ahead, do that, but I know what will happen if you do that, and now you know I know, so go ahead and do that, but don't come crying to me after you get what you pay for, I know, and now you know I know.

"Are the laws limited to only “Do no Harm?” Who decides what harm means, and thus the “is is” problem begins."

Have you heard of the Jelly Bean Jar experiment?

It is also called The Wisdom of Crowds.

You may be inspired to see RED again, and that is OK, I'm not suggesting that you need to be disarmed.

1. Mobs of Criminals who RULE their victims.
2. Peer Pressure POWER measured accurately in each individual

There exists a POWER that can be called many names, such as peer pressure, or conscience, or whatever English word intends to label the POWER being accurately measured.

I don't have all the answers, but Trial by Jury worked, and you can argue over how it worked, but it worked, and so it can work that way again, or something better can work instead of Trial by Jury.

Those are things that fit into Maintaining voluntary government.

What must be done to get back toward voluntary government?

What must be done to get back toward Liberty?

1.
End THE FED
2.
End THE IRS
3.
End Criminal War (profits)

Individuals have to start working in those directions, which are not directions away from those bad things so much as the work that must be done are jobs that exist out of those spheres of influence. The work that must be done disconnects because other connections are produced instead of those connections to The FED, The IRS, and Criminal War for PROFIT.

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In order to defeat Legal Crime there has to be a process of paying Legal Criminals less rewards for doing such a good job.

"The Sadducees and Pharisees defined that law with more rules so much so that the Spirit of the Law was lost and the victims were under a weight that even the law makers would not bear themselves so those Religious Police began to make public displays of their “righteousness” and all the while they had unrighteousness within."

I see these things as power flowing in specific amounts and specific directions. Dictatorial connections are ONE WAY connections, Legal Crime Connections, Monopoly Connections, where power flows from those who produce power, from honest productive cooperative voluntary people, power flowing ONE WAY, flowing to Legal Criminals.

What works better than that?

Power flowing equitably, or two ways, from one individual to another individual, power flowing one way, while, power flows the other way at the same time, things flowing both ways, real things, not counterfeit things flowing one way while real things flow the other way.

When criminals take over they invent, produce, and maintain ONE WAY connections, such as The FED, The IRS, and Wars for Profit.

Destruction goes one way, and profits (productive power) goes the other way.

If criminals get all the productive power, they use that power to keep stealing more, and they, those criminals, produce destruction, they destroy all competitors, any ONE not blindly obeying their One Way Connections are destroyed or Incorporated into The Club.

A point is reached whereby there are too many members in The Club and not enough "workers" producing productive power (the stuff worth stealing) and at that point Legal Crime consumes itself, on schedule, in one of 3 (at least 3) farms, human farms, like the book Animal Farm, while another of the 3 Animal Farms (human animals) are feed more counterfeit nourishment, fattening them up onto a BOOM, to be BUSTED, while the last of the 3, in Harmony, is one third of the way around the same Business Psycho.

American is being Busted.

China is being Boomed.

Europe is roughly one third off that harmonic schedule in the World Wide Web of Legal Crime.

Before that England was on top going down and American being primed for the BOOM.

England had World Reserve Currency or Imperial POWER, then U.S.A. Inc. took over as The Dollar Hegemony, and next will be what it will be, but I don't get the memos, but I've been seeing, and recording, the flow of POWER flowing to Asia - specifically China.

The next World Reserve Currency Imperial Power to be Boomed and then to be made to consume itself, will be China, and China is going to win World War III, because that is how that works that way.

Don't blame me, but if it makes you feel better then shoot the messenger.

IS still IS.

"Are some systems more prone to Criminal mischief than others?"

I think Josiah Warren and Stephen Pearl Andrews covers that answer accurately and demonstrably and I can restate what they report, and I can incorporate your World of God into the concept.

Question:

"Are some systems more prone to Criminal mischief than others?"

A System that demands involuntary membership is by definition a criminally mischievous system. God does not say that one man makes laws that apply to another man excluding the man making such a law a law.

A System where a man pretends to be above another man, or woman, is a System where a man pretends to be God, so such a system is not only prone to Criminal mischief, such a System defines Criminal Mischief as it IS defined by those Criminals who make their crimes legal, according to them.

Not according to God, and not according to God's children if I understand what God's children have to say about such things.

"Are some systems more prone to Criminal mischief than others?"

Laws based upon written symbols, subject to human opinions concerning what IS IS, are prone to Criminal mischief, again words of warning offered by Josiah Warren, and Patrick Henry, and those people who were falsely labeled as Anti-Federalists.

Constructively interpretable and plausibly deniable legalese, or LIES, by any other name, are prone to Criminal mischief.

Here is where competition arrives again, as in the case of a Democratic Federated Republic (with Trial by Jury based upon sortition) leaves an OPT OUT BUTTON, reserved by The States, and by The People, in cases of Constructive Interpretation whereby it may depended upon what IS IS according to the current Dictator Puppet Wannabe President of U.S.A. Inc. (LLC).

Competition nullifies Criminal mischief, yes or no?

A firm maybe?

I hereby dictate to you that competition does, in fact, in every case demonstrated so far, nullifies Criminal mischief.

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"You seem like you could be pointing a finger at RP. Is that why you said in your mind you were a better candidate than he with the English language?"

I don't call what the people at The Federal Reserve are doing with the same words Ron Paul uses, I prefer to get to the point sooner, I call what those people do fraud, they commit fraud, they are frauds, their crime is fraud, they also make their fraud crimes legal, so they are Legal Criminals, the people, like Ben Bernanke, at The FED, are frauds.

Their crimes are fraud.

Does Ron Paul say that the people at The Federal Reserve, like Ben Bernanke are frauds?

They are frauds.

Why not press charges?

What is due process of law?

What does it mean?

Can English be used to convey accurate meaning?

I think it can. I see no reason to water down English to make English less powerful.

A fraud is a fraud because a fraud commits fraud.

Ben Bernanke, and every top position at the FED held by a human being, is a person perpetrating the ongoing crime of fraud, even as those frauds, perpetrating that crime of fraud, hide their crimes behind a thin veil of legitimacy, a lawful order of some nebulous manufacture, they are frauds.

Why not process those frauds as well as any other fraud has ever been processed by any power of law in any form of any kind ever?

Why spend another watt of power on nickel and dime frauds when right there in that office of Federal Reserve Chairman there is a 13 digit fraud.

Not a nickel fraud.

Not a dime fraud.

$1,000,000,000,000

A Trillion Dollar Fraud is right now busy perpetrating Trillions of Dollars worth of Fraud.

Is that something worth naming with an accurate name, instead of beating around the Bushes?

I think so, and in my estimate that makes me better at it than Ron Paul.

I'm not 13 digits worth of POWERFUL, so I can be ignored at Conferences or basket ball games or forums.

Some things never change?

Sometimes a teacher steps in and does some acknowledging?

"Is he playing the Legal Crime game? Or maybe the terms Keynesianism is used as part of the game to win the game for Liberty? Perhaps Austrianism is used offensively as a Trojan? And in the belly are the 3 lethal weapons: 1) End the Fed 2) End the IRS 3) Bring the troops home?"

I think Ron Paul, Gerald Celente, Alex Jones, Jesse Ventura, these people, these types of people, speakers of note, significant powers, are the genuine articles. It just so happens that Ron Paul is exceptional in my estimate because the prescription for remedy is not only workable, but it is reasonable, logical, actionable, doable, as remedy, and as remedy to what I call Legal Crime, the whole enchilada crashing down and is rendered insignificant, powerless, like a bad dream.

How can that be anything but good?

If the tendency for Ron Paul is to lend moral and material support to Capitalism, and his tendency is to discredit Socialism, or charity, or equity, or anything done VOLUNTARILY, then who can complain?

Not me.

Ron Paul recognizes the need for a powerful military defensive force used in defense of LIBERTY.

How can I convey my agreement along those lines without being misunderstood?

Those Legal Criminals are not going to like any competition from anywhere, let alone from a Country the size of America, so it may be wise to invest in a very powerful defensive military force where many States in this Country finance, voluntarily, that defensive military force.

A limited Constitutional Government, such as a Democratic Federated Republic, such as the example provided in our own history, between 1776 and 1788, is, in my opinion, essential for Liberty (which is anarchism, liberty is anarchism, which is The Free Market, which is in my opinion God's will, which is equity, which isn't iniquity, but these are mere words in English), because: without a force of defense that force of deception and destruction made legal (Legal Crime) there will be no Liberty.

Legal Crime has been paying so well for so long that the Legal Criminals own almost everything and almost everyone.

Just ask them.

But remember they lie.

Like this:

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

That is FRAUD on record.

How much FRAUD?

That is the good news.

The National Debt FRAUD on record is the good news, the really bad news is much worse.

How much do your Masters claim, in dollars, that they own you?

Run slave run.

"Does LR only support Ron Paul for his own personal commercial reasons? Or am I going too far down the road I believe you may have suggested. It seems to me he is an enemy. IMO All the energy spent on political non action if it spent on Ron Paul’s plan could have perhaps jettisoned the cause of Liberty even further thru activism."

In language you may understand better I can suggest that Lew Rockwell has advice applicable to you, as you should make better lunches and dinners for the papa bear and the bear cubs as the best way to defend Liberty, so why waste your time fighting Goliath?

Ron Paul may be saying the opposite message, but it is not necessarily in opposition to Lew Rockwell.

How many ways are there to skin a cat?

Lew Rockwell, Ron Paul, and I agree, if I can speak for other people, which may or may not be accurate, but I can claim to speak for them, and we say to you that YOU are the authority that determines which way you will skin the cat.

Lew Rockwell may not admit it if you go against his advice, and you go with Ron Paul's advice, and you win, you are the final straw that defeats Legal Crime, and Lew Rockwell may be forced to eat his words, but he refuses, like a 2 year old being spoon fed the spinach he does not want to eat.

Maybe God has Goliath defeated in ways that don't make sense to any of us right now, not in a specific way, because we are merely humans.

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Incidentally: My brother and his wife were not successful in reproducing copies, one Danny Junior and one girl, until years after being married, and that is a long story too.

"A) That perhaps that person or organization of people had a vested interest in those tools of war for profit?"

A number of people, living, breathing, walking the Earth today, are in this way real? Can you conceive of a greater evil? Is this realization of Evil (I listened to your Proverbs offering) cause to look in the mirror and make the connection, to hold yourself to account, as power flows from you to The FED, The IRS, and on into those Criminal Wars for profit?

If the shoe fits, even if only your small toe is fitting into the shoe, should you get that small toe out of that shoe or is it OK to allow another toe into that shoe?

"B) Or perhaps was paid by persons with vested interest in those financial tools using war for profit?"

What exactly constitutes an individuals responsibility, an accurate accounting, a true judgment, concerning the flow of productive power as that productive power flows to those few very Evil people, and then that POWER is used to DESTROY so much life on Earth?

"C) That person or organization or people believed that it was necessary to have war to gain profit (Proverbs 1:19 “So are the ways of every one that is greedy of gain; which taketh away the life of the owners thereof.)"

A number of people are as you speak, in those words, they are that way, and this isn't fantasy, this is reality, this is an accurate accounting of what IS happening, not dependent upon what IS IS, real, factual, actuality, real people, doing these things, making these decisions, ordering these things to happen this way, because they gain by those decisions, and their gains are precisely accounted in Federal Reserve Notes that fill their accounts, and their POWER is gained BECAUSE many victims are tortured and many victims are murdered, on all sides, Red, Blue, the colors are painted on the victims to keep the victims enslaved within those false colors.

"D) That person or organization of people believe that the wars are necessary for security of the US."

Victims include mid level people who seek to reach equitable, or moral, goals. Take the example of John Boyd, or Ron Paul, having all their good work stolen and used against us, and this is easier to see in the case of John Boyd, as F-16 Fighter Planes are being sold to more dupes, more victims, who will then be set against each other, using these very efficient weapons of war.

John Boyd rewrote the methods of producing Fighter Planes, from an outdated mathematical process into what became Energy Maneuverability or EM Theory, and then beyond Theory into Modern Military Doctrine. His work is this Countries Military POWER, in many ways not limited to mathematics applied to production. Why does that defensive work have to be then used to commit crimes?

It does not, yet it is happening right now.

1.
End the FED
2.
End the IRS
3.
Sever the connection between The U.S. Military and the Criminals running it; at a minimum each solider, at any level, must start employing their own Universal Code of Military Justice - look in the mirror first.

"I didn’t listen to these. Just passing them along in case you are interested in them."

I spoke to Hoppe at that conference, he is a very smart guy, nice too. Thanks for the links, I want to listen to Hoppe later.

"JOSF. I HAVE A LINK I CANNOT COPY AND PASTE HERE. I CAN COPY AND PASTE IT IN WORD, BUT NOT HERE. I AM GOING TO TRY TO ADD IT TO ANTOHER SPOT. at about 1.05 minute time Anarchists are identified in the audience. Is this the right one? If so, I think he is saying tongue in cheek because “he said he [himself] is from the government” [and anarchy is anti government]?"

That is the event, and I may have been tagged, but I don't know, I don't know who the other anarchist is, and I don't know what they mean by the word anarchist. Anarchism is anti involuntary association, and to say anti-government is to leave too much room for misunderstanding. Government can be math. Math governs. So an anarchist can be confused with someone who is anti-math?

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“If you can't beat em', join em'.”

Isn’t that what Ron Paul did by joining politics and asking us to consider being politically active? He joined politics, but didn’t join in the seedy side of the game. Now I don’t know what they were talking about at the conference. But could it have meant, if you can’t beat them join them in their came to win the game for Liberty? i.e. as Trojan? Of course I wasn’t there so I don’t know how it was said.
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In the context of the Financial Markets Conference there is a Blue versus Red contextual conflict whereby Business Interests are dealing with Government Interests which should sound familiar by now.

Thesis (Business Interests) - Anti-Thesis (Government Interests) = Synthesis (Fascism)

I think that the context of the words "If you can't beat em': join em'", relying on my memory, concerns how to "make money" and if compromises in moral integrity are needed, well, the bottom line is to "make money" so...

"Because you would tarnish his image? Or what. How would it be “unsavory” to speak with you or to your questions? Because you aren’t a part of the “club.” Ron Paul isn’t a part of the political insider club so I should think he would understand not being a part of the club. But then again, sometimes clubs are filled with snobs?"

Here is where my questions enter into the equation. My questions were not superfluous, and my questions were precisely relevant to Financial Markets, and so why, why, why, were my questions ignored? What were the "hard questions" that were going to be answered the next day, but were never answered in that Conference at the "podium" or "publicly"? I attended the public conference. I was not invited to any private conference.

Another interesting thing occurred before the start of the Conference. I met one of the famous Austrian Economists and I asked a question concerning China and the person answered in a way that was completely insulting to me, as if he was a "professor" and I a mere ignoramus, and I won't forget this feeling. He looks down at my shoes, which were tennis shoes, or sneakers, I am poor, I don't have good clothes, never had good clothes, and it is too late for me to work harder for better clothes, but I got the feeling, suddenly, as if I were dirt, and looking down at my shoes, the "professor" informs me about the price of my shoes, as if I should then bow down to his authority on Free Markets and thank HIM for the low price of my shoes, which, presumably, were made in China.

I bowed out of that "conversation" immediately, and I think I thanked him for his precious time that I have so obviously wasted.

That was before the Conference. After the Conference I met Hoppe, and we talked while walking, and it was entirely different, because Hoppe was more like a long lost friend, someone eager to exchange notes, to do something, to reach for something, like knowledge, not to BE SOMEBODY, not to stand on my pedestal of authority overlooking the minions - for their own good.

I didn't mention China with Hoppe, because Hoppe had a lawsuit going at the time concerning things he said to a student at the University he was working as a Professor, or teacher, and what Hoppe said was not "Politically Correct" and so my questions concerned the Stand made by Hoppe, concerning a Stand on Principle, which could cost him his Job at the University, or would Hoppe Stand on monetary gain?

I'm not sure how that worked out for Hoppe, and the situation was much more complicated than a few words could convey.

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The point with all that text concerning my experience at that Conference has to do with the puzzle pieces missing, and the picture that may be known concerning a Principled Stand on Liberty, by someone like Ron Paul, within the fascist system that has existed and has grown more powerful every day, since 1788.

China versus U.S.A. Inc. (LLC), with other POWERS alining on Left (now Blue?) and Right (now Red?) is not NEWS.

Why?

Seriously consider what can happen when the War Powers demand War in the past and how suddenly that can change as time goes by in our future.

Suddenly an attack is blamed on (fill in the blank) and suddenly The President speaks, and suddenly the air waves of Mass Mind Control Media is Manufacturing TERROR and those Streams of NEWS are pointing the finger at (fill in the blank), and all those BANK accounts filled with all those Federal Reserve Notes are funneled into the INVESTMENT of making money out of WAR.

If you don't know who is next on the list (fill in the blank) then you don't know where to INVEST your money, so as to win, instead of lose, and if you don't know which "side" is going to lose, then you don't know where to INVEST your money so as to win instead of losing.

If you do know...

The victims never know, for some reason, and for some odd reason the victims think that these Wars happen by accident, on a regular schedule, as if mysterious POWERS are at work, or as if All Men are Bad, and therefore, having that "knowledge" handy, there MUST be ONE exceptional less bad personality to rise above all the greater evil, and through this cultivation, this bringing forth from the mire a fearless leader, DAS FUHRER, we will prevail!

From Chaos the minions are delivered from evil, as the man god (false) arrives on the scene, just in time, to save us; from ourselves.

Hmmmmmm

Who wrote that script?

Ron Paul may be uncultivated in this regard, and so the actual threats are accurately identified as:

The FED (the people connected to that fraud)

The IRS (the people connected to that extortion racket)

The Troops (the people connected to that criminal employment of Military Power)

And, despite all the people reading from the something for nothing scripts, insiders with inside information, despite all that skullduggery, actionable solutions to the obvious and accurately measured problems are offered to the volunteers if they are up to the challenge:

1.
End the FED
2.
End the IRS
3.
Bring the Troops Home

Who ordered those orders to be followed without question?

Fearless leader?

"Oh good, it is a theory! I see we both try to put pieces together?"

Yes, and China may not be the winner of World War III, and the World Reserve Currency Power may not then be used to BOOM the Chinese Economy at the Expense of American Economic POWER for another 60 years or so, until the whole thing is done again.

But, and this is another serious point, why were my questions ignored as if China is off the radar?

That was 2005, before the BUST of 2008, which is now obviously the date at which America peaked in POWER as America is now, obviously on the decline, and as The Dollar Hegemony is now being drained of all POWER, as, apparently, Capital Flight is still flying to China, according to at least one independent audit of The FED, and history, if it means anything, suggests that BOOM, like the Roaring 20s, is followed by BUST, like The Great Depression, which is then followed by World War, as in I and II, and so NEWS of China and Russia reacting to U.S. aggression by INVESTING heavily in Military POWER is, is, is, insignificant?

Compared to the race?

Which race?

How about trumpets, and a drum roll?

The Presidential Race!

That, my dear, is significant!

Ta Da!

News worthy stuff.

Which puppet will be criminally installed into power this time?

Stay tuned.

Meanwhile that withdrawal of FUNDS (purchasing power loaned to The FED by The People whose Good Faith and Credit can still buy World Wars) by The FED in 2008, a doubling of the money supply, and then later a tripling of the money supply, is still hovering in the darkness of financial vapor, ready to DUMP into some apparently mindless INVESTMENT, and BOOOOOOOOOM!

That is not news.

Of course.

So, putting on our thinking caps, just for laughs, we can guess why someone in POWER would find out how many U.S. Federal Reserve Notes EVERYONE ELSE HAS and then write themselves a check for twice as much Legal Purchasing POWER as EVERYONE ELSE COMBINED.

What can "We The People" buy with that check?

That check was not written on a whim was it?

There must be something worth buying with TWICE AS MUCH MONEY AS EVERYONE ELSE COMBINED.

No?

Yes?

Will that POWER be handed over to the new Cult Leader?

ObamaNation?

Mittens the Kitten OHHHHRomney?

Hey Boss, we have this deal going, and all you have to do is sign here, and press that button there, and off we go, because we owe, we owe.

Does that sound reasonable?

Sign here, and press that button.

Twice as much POWER as is commanded by everyone else combined into ONE MONOPOLY POWER to do something.

To do something completely random?

No.

Someone wrote the check for a reason, by committee vote, by executive decision, whatever, there is wet ink involved, more than likely, and the POWER flows directly to the places where the orders order the POWER to flow.

Trade secrets.

The victims can't be allowed to know, that would be too much POWER flowing to the victims, and the victims would then be too POWERFUL to be victims.

"I was hoping maybe on the New Hampshire project that maybe it was an accident since there was no communication. Did you ever try to ask? Maybe some programmer made a mistake and several people got inadvertently flushed down the memory hole?"

There are archived remnants of my stay at The Free State Project forum. I can try to recover a link now.

http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=11095.0;wap2

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"I wonder if the Tom Woods Liberty Classroom economist would entertain questions if you joined? Are you asking questions to make a point or are the questions asked so you can clarify where you stand or if you need to change your ideas in anyway?"

What is the price of admission?

"Probably after the Legal Criminals have 1 world wide currency and everyone has a chip and can be turned off if they don’t like the truth."

The fact of being enslaved is well documented, so it is better for the Masters to have their victims thinking that the victims are free, while the victims pay for their own slow torture and mass murder.

Liberty is relative to Legal Crime, and there are ways to measure the current state of existence relative to the past state of existence along that scale.

Here is a fraudulent way to measure that relative condition of life on Earth:

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

The actual condition of enslavement is measurable every day by each person, as to their power to measure such things accurately.

There are rumors of a pending doom, while doom grows like a relentless cancer, as the victims fail to see effective remedy and as the victims fall victim to snake oil marketing whereby the snake oil is actually the cause of the illness.

"So I think It has something to do with putting ones money at risk to gain should there be a disaster or negative event. (That should be illegal. That is opposite of Joe’s Law and those events can be manipulated and hurt people) So have I voiced the concept correctly? Because you asked and I started to write the answer I began to understand, but until I wrote the answer I was at a loss. That is assuming I have the answer at all correct!"

I think that you are building the puzzle well, with or without my help, but being helpful helps me greatly.

An example of put options occurred just before the 3 Buildings in New York were Imploded by Controlled Demolition as a False Flag event used to start another very profitable war in Iraq. There was a recorded and published sudden increase in put options (investments paid to the investor if a sudden decrease in stock value occurs) were placed on the Airliners that were reported to be the company planes flown into 2 of those buildings in New York; not counting the missile that went into the Pentagon (where the 14 Trillion dollars worth of lost money records were thereby LOST).

Who could have guessed that those events, in the future, on 9/11/2001 would cause those Airline Stocks to plummet?

Where is my crystal ball?

When I first heard the news about that False Flag in New York on 09/11/2001, I knew it was a False Flag, because it was expected, not unexpected, these things happen on a regular basis, so there is no need for a crystal ball, another one will happen, like clockwork.

Lone gunman shoots up a Theater?

Can I sell you a bridge in Brooklyn?

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If there is ONLY a fine to be paid for The Murder of The King, then an investor can promise to pay the fine, and hire a killer to do the deed, and if the deed can be done that way, what, in English, do you call that murder, where that murder is punished in that way?”

A) Murder for hire.
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Here is where you are using your POWER to think things out, instead or relying on any other authority, and to me that is exactly what scripture demands of us - but I can be wrong about that for sure.

"B) A bounty: dead, not alive."

I sent you a link to something called: Assassination Politics

That was an essay written and published by a person named Jim Bell. The concept is real, it happens, it is called "selling short", and it is called "put options", and those in power didn't like Jim Bell's version of their game, so Jim Bell was convicted of tax evasion and sent to prison. He may still be in prison for "tax evasion".

Now that you are doing the work, and now that you have concepts building in your computer that your Soul uses to connect to the physical world, you can read Assassination Politics and you can understand why Jim Bell was put in prison - in my opinion you can do that too.

"C) Could lead to black mail….I am going to have you killed if you do not do such and such because it will only cost me 1x$ to kill you and the benefit of what you can do for me is 5x$ and the benefit of you being dead is 3x$. The choice is yours but one way or another I am going to make a profit off of you, dead or alive."

Please consider looking at the following:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_ZjE-eZuHY&feature=related

What happens when a "president" is no longer a puppet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxnpujfanUM&feature=related

"D) Could lead to paying for the enjoyment of killing, I suppose, as well."

Federal Reserve Notes flows by osmosis to the worst people on the planet, like Pol Pot?

"E) Could also have consequences I have not yet thought of and reported back to you, but when a $ value is placed upon a human life there can be a greater value available for that life if that life has any power."

Here is where things should fall together as being very reasonable. If your power must be greater than your victims then you will be in the business of making power scarce. If you fail, and someone, somewhere makes power abundant, then that power flows to your former victims, and you are out of business.

"If all murderers had been put out, maybe we wouldn’t have sociopaths today? Maybe God’s law was to purify the gene pool? Just some thoughts I have had recently as I run into people who have a lot to say about the “evil, blood thirsty” God of the Old Testament."

If it is God doing the judging I have no problem at all with that Final Solution, but if you read Jim Bell's essay on Assassination Politics, and you get back to me with what you learn, then we can discuss further these applications of punishment by men and women upon men and women.

"I do not know what that means. Who is the lender of the first resort?"

Honest productive people working equitably, productively, cooperatively, for mutual gain, at the expense of no one, are the lenders of anything of man or woman made value, because value does not fall from the sky, so the answer is:

1.
God is the first lender
2.
Those who use what God lends in productive ways are then able to lend their abundances, or surpluses, to other people

The Legal Criminals claim to be God, so this should make a lot of sense, to understand how the Legal Criminals claim to be The Only Lenders of Legal Money, and then they become the Only Lenders of Legal Money, while they use False Fronts and False Advertizements to cover up their crimes.

The Legal Criminals say that they are the "Lenders of Last Resort".

What does that mean?

That is a piece of the puzzle, it is documented fraud, if you care to know.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/lenderoflastresort.asp

"Did Hamilton do this on purpose, or perhaps he was tricked?"

I was not attending the Con-Con in Philadelphia but our Friends of Liberty were and they recorded what happened, and it is painfully obvious that Hamilton was working to create the same thing that the Communist/Leninist criminals worked to create later which is a Central Bank, which is merely CODE for Legal Crime in the form of Legal Fraud Monopoly Money.

What is The Lender of Last Resort CLAIM?

It is FRAUD.

It is the definition of FRAUD.

Productive People earn credit because they produce things worth something, so they are the one's who lend. How do those productive people come to this STATE of being so ignorant as to think that a few people with suits, in Wall Street, or wherever they may be hiding behind their False Fronts, are lending anything of value?

Hamilton stated the FRAUD well enough in his own words which were quoted, recorded, and published. Hamilton wanted National Debt so as to PRODUCE National Credit. That is the cart before the horse, it is a fraud.

National Credit already existed since The French loaned out enough POWER to the struggling Republic (Articles of Confederation) to win the Revolutionary War. We The People earned National Credit, it was an established fact.

Hamilton, being an English spy, planned on stiffing the French, maybe paying the loans back with worthless paper, and then Hamilton would reconnect the link between the English Central Bankers and those very productive subjects in America. Hamilton would create The First Bank of the United States - why?

Hamilton says that "we" need a Central Bank to establish credit through National Debt. That is what Hamilton said. That is a lie. That is a fraud. It is even more transparent than the Emperors Clothes, but you can't yet see it?

Why can't you see through the False Front?

The People already earned their full measure of Credit.

Why would The People need a National Debt to earn something that they already have, and why would The People then be required to pay interest on that debt to a few people in suits?

You can't see through such a thin veil of deceit?

Why?

Seriously why?

I know that it took me awhile to figure this out, many very troubling hours of self doubt, and on and on, but I can't go back and see what took me so long, as to why I needed so much evidence, so much proof, to get to this point. At this point, however, the thin veil of deceit is very, very, very transparent.

It is vapor.

"Along with that handheld video/freeze people device, I would also like a mind reading device so I can know the truth of the matter when these people are speaking in public."

You are getting it, it seems to me, so try that Litmus Test on someone else, please, and report back to me, and see of you can get someone to a point at which they have a light bulb moment.

It goes like this:

Hey?

What?

If you could go down to Wall Mart and pick up a new cell phone that had a gun on it and this gun causes the target to be immobilized for 1 hour, without doing any other harm to the target, what do you think would happen, as those things started to sell like hot cakes?

Well, I don't know, ahhhhhh, well, THERE WOULD BE CHAOS, as people would be shooting each other, robbing each other, and who knows what else all THOSE people would be doing if they get one of those weapons, man, are you crazy, there has to be law to keep those things away from the criminals.

Yes, yes, of course, I see your point, and imagine the Theater Massacre guy immobilizing 5 or 10 people and then one of the victims is quicker to the draw and the Theater Massacre Immobilizer is, himself, rendered immobile! The HORROR, the HORROR, the HORROR!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDK9MDklzFo

"I am going to try to give you the audio of each day's Proverb. If it is an irritation to you, let me know and I will not do it."

Let us all have one purse?

Is that anything like a Legal Money Monopoly Power in a World Wide Web of Fraud?

Joe

Acting

“Before I work at unraveling much of the tangled web that those terms weave I think it is important for me to respond to the claim that I disarm you.”

Well, it just seems like when I ask about certain terms you use the words “seeing red” and “foaming at the mouth” so I feel like I am wrong to ask questions about the terms. I suppose though, now that I think about it, maybe I was trying to “disarm” you before you could “disarm” me. I do not mean disarm as in guns I mean as in intellectual discussion. So I suppose I was wearing that disarming shoe, but now that I confess it, I am taking it off. I am sorry for accusing you of something I was actually doing. I didn’t realize it until now. I just wanted you to know I am asking my questions sincerely. Not because I am foaming at the mouth, but because I am truly trying very hard to understand, and if I don’t understand I ask.

“When I test people (friend or foe) I ask what they think about a hand held weapon that immobilizes the target person for 1 hour.”

Why do you test people? Some people, like me, just need to understand. That does not make me a foe, it makes me someone who is ignorant. I still cannot visualize the immobilization unit. Every time I try to think about it, all I can see in my mind is someone trying to hurt me or someone else who is innocent. (I do not feel this way about guns.) Maybe it has to do with how I see myself? That does not mean I am a foe, it means: either I have trouble seeing correctly, or you do. And if you want me to see the way you do, you have to help me because it is not within my normal line of thinking. The deception runs deep so much so I cannot even see where I am deceived. But that does not make me a foe.

You are also not a woman, so you do not know what it is like to be the weaker in physical strength of the sexes. Just like this morning I was putting my groceries in the van. A man was walking by so I made sure the cart was between me and him. I also lock the doors while I am putting the groceries in and imagine if someone were to try to force me into the back of the van, I would throw the keys as far as I could so they could not drive away with me. I don’t know if I am more strange or paranoid than other women. I am just telling you how I navigate among strangers with a degree of fear and caution.

“If they jerk their knee they claim, right away, that such a thing must be regulated and kept from the criminals.

That is a Friend of Legal Crime making that claim, that is not a Friend of Liberty. That is a misguided soul, and a foe, someone to be accurately identified as an enemy because, at least, they know not what they do, the costs of their ignorance.”

Just because people cannot all understand your view of the immobilization device does not make us foes IMO. That is where I believe teaching is the order of the day. So teacher, if you understand something that I cannot, teach away as I try to grasp the concept you have trained yourself to understand, but I still have the sovereign right to my own opinion.

I have had multiple knee-jerk reactions during this JTK education; I have been mad; I have had hurt feelings; I have been hysterical; I have had my mind completely blank such that I could not even think because I have had to rethink things that I had accepted as truth for my whole life. It has completely exhausted me at times. But that did not make me a foe did it?

Gee, I even thought people in politics were good and honest. See how hard this is for me? See my world come crashing down. See my beloved country [I am not sure if I am allowed to use the word] in jeopardy and I cannot free it? See all the victims from sea to shining sea in the grasp and under the control of Legal Crime and they do not even know it? I did not know it until you told me, but I wasn’t your foe, I was just lost in error. I needed help to see. I had been asleep my whole life.
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Arming the innocent targets (productive people) with an opt out POWER is THE POINT.

How do you get that power?
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“OK, I won't, why would I? What inspires you to order me to act in the manner you prefer?
Do you actually think I intend to do anything, ever, to disarm YOU?
You are not a threat to me, why on Earth would I see any need to disarm you?”

You make me laugh. I mean disarm my preconceived ideas as if they are wrong. Just give me the information, and let me decide between the ideas. Don’t make me feel like I am being backed me into a corner by telling me I foam at the mouth or see red. And I suppose if I feel a certain way I shouldn’t be blaming it on you. But if I don’t say what I feel how will you know with what I am dealing? Even if that is a shoe I might wear? I don’t know it. I was just trying to tell you, I want you to tell me the answer to my question without judging me.
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“Keynesian Socialists” and “Austrian Capitalists”
“It must first be understood before any power is consumed toward understanding those terms, that those terms can be confused with the counterfeit versions of those terms. It must be understood, in my frame of reference, that the genuine and the counterfeit versions are understandable as voluntary and involuntary versions, and the voluntary versions are genuine and the involuntary versions are counterfeit.”

I tried to use the voluntary/involuntary rationale with Jeff this weekend regarding socialism and communism. It didn’t work one bit. He says communism was not even a word until Marx invented it. Is that true? He also said socialism is an economic political form of government whereby the government owns major industry. I told him it was the study of society and then he tells me, no that is sociology. See, anyone can tell me anything and I don’t know what the truth is. He even told me that Australia was socialist country. I didn’t know that. You see, I do not know much. And he knows most everything regarding “conventional” history. Except he doesn’t know who Boyd is so I didn’t tell him so his book can be a surprise. I suppose that is because Boyd is outside of conventional history as it has been rewritten and undermined to confuse the masses.
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“If you understand that, which must be true, there is no way that you can't understand that, we have already discovered your understanding of those facts concerning Christians and their Evil Imposters.”

Yes.

“You can refuse to ever entertain the possibility that there is a version of socialism worthy of counterfeiting, and you can only see, forever, the Counterfeit (involuntary) versions of Socialism.”

It is not that I refuse, it is that I am confused and do not have it all straight yet. That is why I am asking you because we both know the dictionary definitions don’t work for the voluntary forms, so who else am I supposed to ask? So I turn to my JTK dictionary :)
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“An academic study of Socialism was done by Stephen Pearl Andrews, a book he titled The History of Socialism, a book written in the middle of the 19th Century. I cannot find the book.”

How do you know the book even exists? I have tried looking for it for you but I cannot find it either. Do you know what the cover will looks like? What year do you think it was written? Have you tried the Library of Congress?

“I found a copy of The Science of Society, another book by Stephen Pearl Andrews, in a Public Library in Australia. I paid for photo copies of the text mailed to me, I converted those photo copies into digital text, and I helped get that Book circulating the Internet, and since then I even found a hard copy of The Science of Society.”

Really! Wow!
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“I can drop socialism all together, and I prefer to do so, but the word isn't mine, it is in general use, and most people use the Counterfeit version of the word, so it is what it is, even if I prefer not to use it, and even if you prefer not to use it.
Why not drop the name Jesus, since so much bad press is attached to that name?”

Yes, I see your point, but are there any voluntary socialists around that are practicing voluntary socialism together? I know you have told me about the family and the military being examples, but they do not use that word. I mean is there a group of voluntary socialists somewhere that one can join? And I still do not understand what that voluntary group would look like or how they would operate together. Anyways, I am not saying to drop it all together. Maybe just use it the way everyone else does.

When you said Keynesian Socialist, I thought you were talking about good people because I have been trained not to foam at the mouth when you use the word socialist…and in my mind Keynesian has something to do with fiat currency so I am also thinking you think that is OK.

“How about getting rid of Socialism altogether, it is not as if Socialism is The Word of God, so Equitablist may work a lot better, if the idea is to combine the good things of Voluntary Socialism with the good things of Voluntary Capitalism?”

That is interesting! Yes, a word to include good things about voluntary economic systems?
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ME: "They co-exist with capitalists as a far as I know."
YOU: I am reminded of Shakespeare: A rose by any other name...

I did not understand what you are trying to tell me. I remember you explaining a rose by another name, but I cannot remember what you said or what it means.
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“Now I'm hungry. I use one can of French Onion soup in beef stew.”

I use Liptons French Onion dry soup package, 1 can of cream of mushroom soup and 1 5.5oz can of v-8 juice mixed together and poured over the meat and veggies (my own concoction). It was a hit! Now they are wanting Chicken a la King…for some unknown reason. I haven’t made that since Jeff & I were first married. I will have to look up my recipe and surprise them.
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“Please don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Once the deception no longer works on you(after all: you ARE Born Again), their "secrets" are powerless as a means of taking power from you, and in fact, you can now see how pathetic those secrets are, and it is almost as if you are gaining power from them - perhaps. “

I am not smart enough to know the difference between truth and deception. The only thing I know as reliable truth is every word in the 66 books called the Holy Scriptures in the Bible, the Word of God.
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“I am not so fast with that guess, and GregP, unlike Lew Rockwell, may not have as many insulating barriers, if he can be asked, he can answer for his viewpoints?”
Here is what GregP said to me: http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2645768
Submitted by GregP on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 16:38.
"I base my philosophy of freedom on the fact that people are generally rational cowards. That might seem a bit harsh but is deeply true. And which is why only in a free and just society can we expect to have a prosperous and civil society. When people overcome their fear of consequences, they become corrupt and dangerous.
I'm not Christian so I don't attribute human action to faith but rather human nature. And I hold that humans have evolved from lower animals which means we retain various animal instincts in our genetic code. The most important in a social context is desire to dominate. We all subconsciously want to be the alpha male/female. And even if someone claims otherwise or honestly believes otherwise, it doesn't matter because there's no way to know.
Humans are opportunistic and if they find themselves in a position to be able to act without consequences, then those primal instincts will win out. It's not evil, it's just what we are at this stage in our evolution...
Recognizing this means that to keep our instinct to dominate (which includes cheating, lying, stealing, murdering, etc) in check requires that we make the rational choice to hold each other accountable equally. That fear of consequences is what generally keeps people who would allow their instincts to get the better of them in check.
I see the formation of a moral and civil society (aka free society) as an exercise in applied human psychology and the recognition that *no one* can be trusted with power. And thus no one should ever have power to exercise over others. That power must be shared equally by all irrespective of their economic status, educational status, etc.”
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“Please consider that there may be a genuine version of Evolution (as reported by Charles Darwin) and a Counterfeit Version of Evolution. I can explain what I have found along those lines, and it is important, if you find the time. I'm thinking that The Beef Stew goal is more productive (relatively speaking).”

I can accept that within a species survival of the fittest can cause changes to that species, but I do not accept the notion that a species will evolve into another species. I believe God created the heavens in the earth in 6 days as stated in Genesis and that each “kind” brings forth its own “kind” as God set forth as the pattern in Genesis.
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“But perhaps sufficient numbers of people will, and that is the need for self-government.”

So then add the word “self” and I still ask, by what rules is one to rule one’s self by?

I tried bringing up the nonviolent offenders who are in jail. My mom’s next door neighbor’s grown children use drugs. Their children are then left to be raised by their grandmother. My mom sees that as doing harm upon the children because their parents do not care for them. So my non violent drug offender argument did not work well because I don’t have the answers to the counterpoints worked out.
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“Responsibility IS individual.”

Yes, I agree individuals should reap what they sow for their actions. OK I understand and I am going to type it so that maybe it will stay with me. To get back to a voluntary government we must end the fed, end the irs, bring the troops home. To maintain a voluntary government there must be competition as allowed by a Democratic Federated Republic in which sortition is used as well as Trial by Jury as the law and where something called Peer Pressure power is also at work.

No I don’t understand the Jelly Bean Jar. I am not seeing red though, so can you explain that Peer Pressure Power more to me.
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“3.End Criminal War (profits)”

Hmm, those are different words from brining the troops home. More accurate?
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“If criminals get all the productive power, they use that power to keep stealing more, and they, those criminals, produce destruction, they destroy all competitors, any ONE not blindly obeying their One Way Connections are destroyed or Incorporated into The Club.”

So anyone not obeying must fly below the radar in order not to be destroyed?
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“American is being Busted.”

Let me ask you your opinion on this thought I had today. Maybe we should allow that bust to hurry up and happen, or make it happen. Maybe then we would be rid of the criminals more quickly. Maybe we should help them move to China? Can we beat them at their game by trumping it? Is there any way to do that other than the 3 points: End the Fed/IRS/War for Profit? OK so the Jesuits in your opinion are doing the booming and busting of the 3 farms? If we were in control of the BUST maybe it would not bust everyone to smithereens.
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“England had World Reserve Currency or Imperial POWER, then U.S.A. Inc. took over as The Dollar Hegemony, and next will be what it will be, but I don't get the memos, but I've been seeing, and recording, the flow of POWER flowing to Asia - specifically China.”

This is probably a childish question, but how do you see the power flowing to Asia? What does it look like? I don’t read the newspaper.
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“Don't blame me, but if it makes you feel better then shoot the messenger.”

I don’t want you to say that to me. To me that is like me saying to you, “don’t disarm me.” Why would I want to shoot anyone who is not a physical threat to me?
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“God does not say that one man makes laws that apply to another man excluding the man making such a law a law.”

As far as I know there is no law that is not given to every man to follow. God even made a point to say to judge righteously, especially those who are vulnerable:

Deuteronomy 1:16 And I charged your judges at that time, saying , Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Proverbs 31:9 Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.

I think you will like these words. I do not understand all of the history behind them but they are found in the last book of the Old Testament. The last words from the Prophet Malachi after which time God was silent (did not speak to His people thru Prophets/sometimes Angles) until the advent of Jesus. The Jews were being called on the carpet because they no longer heeded the words of the covenant. The words equity and iniquity are both in this verse:

Malachi 3: 6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.
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“Does Ron Paul say that the people at The Federal Reserve, like Ben Bernanke are frauds?”

I don’t know. I am going to listen better to see if he uses that term. That congressman from South Carolina called Bernanke a dictator and some other words I can no longer remember.
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“They are frauds.
Why not press charges?
What is due process of law?”

Yah, why can’t we press charges? We don’t have standing? Thou shall not question?

“Ben Bernanke, and every top position at the FED held by a human being, is a person perpetrating the ongoing crime of fraud, even as those frauds, perpetrating that crime of fraud, hide their crimes behind a thin veil of legitimacy, a lawful order of some nebulous manufacture, they are frauds.
Why not process those frauds as well as any other fraud has ever been processed by any power of law in any form of any kind ever?”

I don’t know why not. Perhaps the price to be paid for such charges are to high for the person that would make the charge? I still remember the guy in the red shirt in the Fed hearings that looked like he did not belong…sitting right in the center with arms crossed and collar up. Maybe one does not play around with the Legal Criminals with too much forwardness?
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“If the tendency for Ron Paul is to lend moral and material support to Capitalism, and his tendency is to discredit Socialism, or charity, or equity, or anything done VOLUNTARILY, then who can complain?”

Maybe Ron Paul does not discredit equity. I think I have heard that he is one of those Voluntaryists. He used to wear yellow & black ties from what I have seen people writing about on the DP.
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“A limited Constitutional Government, such as a Democratic Federated Republic, such as the example provided in our own history, between 1776 and 1788, is, in my opinion, essential for Liberty (which is anarchism, liberty is anarchism, which is The Free Market, which is in my opinion God's will, which is equity, which isn't iniquity, but these are mere words in English), because: without a force of defense that force of deception and destruction made legal (Legal Crime) there will be no Liberty.”

The problem is, when people hear the word anarchism, they think of the counterfeit term. I suppose when there are 2 definitions, but if the counterfeit definition is the one that has the most currency with the most people it might be necessary to define the word when using it? I think people think of anarchy as torching cars and looting buildings.
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“In language you may understand better I can suggest that Lew Rockwell has advice applicable to you, as you should make better lunches and dinners for the papa bear and the bear cubs as the best way to defend Liberty, so why waste your time fighting Goliath?”

Someone needs to fight Goliath. Who is going to do it. I am waiting. So are you telling me that Lew Rockwell thinks I should just mind my own business within my family and that Goliath will go away if I just ignore him? I cannot understand that.

“Ron Paul may be saying the opposite message, but it is not necessarily in opposition to Lew Rockwell.”

But it is the opposite message so why isn’t it in opposition to the messenger?

“How many ways are there to skin a cat?”

My problem is that I cannot understand or see how Lew Rockwell’s method can skin a cat. That is what I WANT to understand. Certainly he must understand it, or is he is an enemy giving a false method? That is what I am trying to work out in my mind. If he has a valid point, I would like to understand how it works.

“Lew Rockwell may not admit it if you go against his advice, and you go with Ron Paul's advice, and you win, you are the final straw that defeats Legal Crime, and Lew Rockwell may be forced to eat his words, but he refuses, like a 2 year old being spoon fed the spinach he does not want to eat.”

And it seems to me that if he is giving the wrong opposite advice that he is actually doing negative work. A negative error in the checkbook is really bad because it takes an amount to get back to 0 and then that amount again to get to the positive amount. So if by inaction Lew is causing a deficit to Liberty, then his message is really causing something that takes twice as much positive power to overcome.
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Maybe God has Goliath defeated in ways that don't make sense to any of us right now, not in a specific way, because we are merely humans.

Well, I am going to say last week at my mom’s I ruined lunch because I was talking to my banker sister about the Fed taking closing down and selling one of the local banks and then she said it needed closing down (she used to work at that bank and knew the books.) Then she said something about the Dodd Frank causing 288 new regulations and each regulation taking 18 months to incorporate with audits etc. I asked her just how long did she think the current bank at which she is working would stay afloat in that situation. She didn’t answer, then said something about Jesus coming back. I…a Pastor’s wife… said “Jesus isn’t coming back.” I shocked everyone! I get so tired of “Christians” getting backed into a corner and blurting Jesus will come back, or it is all in God’s plan. They don’t know what God’s plan is and Jesus didn’t come back when 200 million were killed by Bolshevik Communism. As if for some reason because we are American’s, Jesus is going to come back and rescue us. I am sick and tired of it. I am not saying Jesus is not coming back, but we do not know when He is coming back so what, sit on our hands and do nothing?
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“Incidentally: My brother and his wife were not successful in reproducing copies, one Danny Junior and one girl, until years after being married, and that is a long story too.”

The last 11 years have been a difficult journey, but one that I would not trade.
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“I think that the context of the words "If you can't beat em': join em'", relying on my memory, concerns how to "make money" and if compromises in moral integrity are needed, well, the bottom line is to "make money" so...”

And that just adds more power to the criminal interest doesn’t it? Don’t people know that by joining, it is making an evil situation gain more power than if they would stay out of it? I guess we are paying for our own demise in more ways than one: Some people on purpose for personal, and some thru coercion thru personal loss.
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“I won't forget this feeling. He looks down at my shoes, which were tennis shoes, or sneakers, I am poor, I don't have good clothes, never had good clothes, and it is too late for me to work harder for better clothes, but I got the feeling, suddenly, as if I were dirt, and looking down at my shoes, the "professor" informs me about the price of my shoes, as if I should then bow down to his authority on Free Markets and thank HIM for the low price of my shoes, which, presumably, were made in China.
I bowed out of that "conversation" immediately, and I think I thanked him for his precious time that I have so obviously wasted.”

Uggh, School is started Today. My kids go to school with the “Clinton rich.” I know the feeling of shoes being stared at and I hate it. There is a lawyer family there at that school who will not even make eye contact with me. The guy is even on the school board. It is disgusting and ridiculous. I remember the first time I ran into them. The man was my son’s soccer coach. Very nice on the field. Very nice to the boys. But I remember saying hi to him at the school, “not knowing any better,” and thinking everyone was “friendly.” I didn’t realize there were “classes” of people. I hate field trips, but I go for the boy’s sake. Oh well, it is what it is. I am shy as it is, uncomfortable in my own skin, but try to always be friendly and kind, so it is hard to be rejected. Jeff has explained that really, it is not me, it is him because he hasn’t chosen a pastorate or profession that would cause us to be looked highly upon and catered too. That is OK with me. It would be a lot easier if I could just stay in my little town of 700 and not have to mix with people who think money makes them better. There are a lot of nice people at the school too though.
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“Suddenly an attack is blamed on (fill in the blank) and suddenly The President speaks, and suddenly the air waves of Mass Mind Control Media is Manufacturing TERROR and those Streams of NEWS are pointing the finger at (fill in the blank), and all those BANK accounts filled with all those Federal Reserve Notes are funneled into the INVESTMENT of making money out of WAR.
If you don't know who is next on the list (fill in the blank) then you don't know where to INVEST your money, so as to win, instead of lose, and if you don't know which "side" is going to lose, then you don't know where to INVEST your money so as to win instead of losing.”

OK I understand and see. I cringe to think of the next false flag and what it might be.
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“But, and this is another serious point, why were my questions ignored as if China is off the radar?”

Yes, that is a serious point. Don’t ask that, it will hurt our money game. I suppose by investing in gold?
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“Compared to the race?
Which race?
How about trumpets, and a drum roll?
The Presidential Race!
That, my dear, is significant!
Ta Da!
News worthy stuff.
Which puppet will be criminally installed into power this time?
Stay tuned.”

It all make so much sense now as to why the RNC acted so corruptly. Those Legal Criminals, or those just playing the game, have much at stake. So why didn’t Ron Paul know this? Or he did, but doing what he did garnered power for Liberty even if the game he was playing against was a dirty one where rules can be changed and broken mid-course.
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“The victims can't be allowed to know, that would be too much POWER flowing to the victims, and the victims would then be too POWERFUL to be victims.”

I suppose we will know when it happens, but then no one will listen as usual because the ”Conspiracy Theorists” will be marginalized.
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“There are archived remnants of my stay at The Free State Project forum. I can try to recover a link now.”

So the stuff is still there? I looked and skimmed until about page 15. There are 60 something pages!
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“What is the price of admission?”
RE Liberty Classroom: $99. I am pretty sure it is a one-time fee. I haven’t looked at it lately though. I think I want to take part because I need to learn some history and I might like learning it by video. Jeff has said I can enroll if I want. I still would like to know if I can watch the same video more than once, so that is a question I need to ask. Tom Woods claims it is history that you will not get in a regular text book. I wonder what he has to say about Hamilton? Do the Austrians understand the Hamilton Banking connection?
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“I think that you are building the puzzle well, with or without my help, but being helpful helps me greatly.”

You have got to be kidding! I don’t think I would have very many pieces of the puzzle without your help. I think I knew there was a puzzle. I realized that the Republicans and Democrats were playing good cop/bad cop, but that is about all. Well, I also knew that there was some great behind the scene power at work as well. But I did not know much else. I don’t think there is anyone else who would have spent as much time as you have in helping me see.
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“An example of put options occurred just before the 3 Buildings in New York were Imploded by Controlled Demolition as a False Flag event used to start another very profitable war in Iraq. There was a recorded and published sudden increase in put options (investments paid to the investor if a sudden decrease in stock value occurs) were placed on the Airliners that were reported to be the company planes flown into 2 of those buildings in New York; not counting the missile that went into the Pentagon (where the 14 Trillion dollars worth of lost money records were thereby LOST)”

Are you saying the part of the Pentagon that blew up was where the financial records were kept as far as what the Pentagon was spending and on what?

“Who could have guessed that those events, in the future, on 9/11/2001 would cause those Airline Stocks to plummet? “

Someone on the inside? So are those records traceable?
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“I sent you a link to something called: Assassination Politics”

OK, I started reading that. I am not ready to read that. I do not think in those terms. The Death Penalty for hire. I finished reading it this morning. That is a far cry from sending them all to New York.
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“What happens when a "president" is no longer a puppet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxnpujfanUM&feature=related”

Interesting that you would provide that link. That is exactly the thing I was talking to Jeff about last week and played for him yesterday morning (before seeing that you gave me the link). I actually think a coup took place when JFK was killed. That was the year I was born. Jeff had not heard him speak those words before. He hasn’t been shopping around youtube for the same information as I.
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“If it is God doing the judging I have no problem at all with that Final Solution, but if you read Jim Bell's essay on Assassination Politics, and you get back to me with what you learn, then we can discuss further these applications of punishment by men and women upon men and women.”

I had trouble reading it. I do not want to read about killing for hire. Then I got to the 2nd point where one could put a bid out to have someone killed. Well of course I read Bell’s words:

“In receiving such money and in his various acts, he violates the "Non-aggression Principle" (NAP) and thus, presumably, any acts against him are not the initiation of force under libertarian principles.”

So the person is guilty without trial? It sounds to me a little like the president’s drone meetings deciding who would die next. I think the whole thing is messy. I do not think money should be involved in any way with causing the death of an individual. Do you like his idea?
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“The Legal Criminals say that they are the "Lenders of Last Resort".”
What happens when you cannot pay back that Lender of Last Resort?
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“Hamilton stated the FRAUD well enough in his own words which were quoted, recorded, and published. Hamilton wanted National Debt so as to PRODUCE National Credit. That is the cart before the horse, it is a fraud.”

Yes, I had already forgotten that information. We must have debt to produce credit…That is the same thing told to people nowadays…create a debt, pay it back, and walla, you have established credit.

“National Credit already existed since The French loaned out enough POWER to the struggling Republic (Articles of Confederation) to win the Revolutionary War. We The People earned National Credit, it was an established fact.”

Thank you for pointing that out. I failed to recognize that the French had already recognized the states as being valid for credit. However, did the French have something to gain by giving us credit?

“Hamilton, being an English spy…”

Do you have any sources saying Hamilton was an English spy?

“…planned on stiffing the French, maybe paying the loans back with worthless paper, and then Hamilton would reconnect the link between the English Central Bankers and those very productive subjects in America. Hamilton would create The First Bank of the United States - why?”

Did the French get stiffed? Did the American people know that Hamilton was going to stiff the French? Was there a plan to stiff the French from the beginning when the revolutionists accepted the loan from the French? Did the French want something else as payback? Something like allegiance or perhaps some other inconvenient attachment?

“Hamilton says that "we" need a Central Bank to establish credit through National Debt. That is what Hamilton said. That is a lie. That is a fraud. It is even more transparent than the Emperors Clothes, but you can't yet see it?
Why can't you see through the False Front?
The People already earned their full measure of Credit.
Why would The People need a National Debt to earn something that they already have, and why would The People then be required to pay interest on that debt to a few people in suits?
You can't see through such a thin veil of deceit?
Why?”

Because I cannot remember the details long enough…I think I will this time. I hope. I am sorry you are beating a “nearly” brain dead horse. I see it. I understand it. I will try to remember it. I was only remembering that Hamilton pushed the constitution. I was not remembering the banking part.

“Seriously why?”

I just told you.

“I know that it took me awhile to figure this out, many very troubling hours of self doubt, and on and on, but I can't go back and see what took me so long, as to why I needed so much evidence, so much proof, to get to this point. At this point, however, the thin veil of deceit is very, very, very transparent.”

Yes, and I want to know if anyone else has this figured out. Yes, it is very difficult because we are supposed to be the good guys…We along with “the Founders”…as I have been taught my whole life. So it is hard to accept, but I do accept it. And it is hard to remember, but I am remembering. I don’t know if you told me about the French “connection” before, but I think it has sunk in this time. We already had established credit with the French. Hamilton lied.
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I have never seen Apocalypse Now so I do not understand the clip or understand what that has to do with the hand held device.

Does the idea behind the Apocalypse Now clip have anything to do with this? http://toxinews.blogspot.com/2012/02/why-whites-would-lose-f...
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“Let us all have one purse?
Is that anything like a Legal Money Monopoly Power in a World Wide Web of Fraud?”

Interesting…

I have OBSERVED that one of my biggest problems is that I do not have a schedule. I have known that for several years. However I could never bring myself to make a schedule. I don’t know, maybe it is something about control. I do not want to be controlled so if I don’t have a schedule I am in control. Anyways, last night I ORIENTED myself to sit at the table with pen and paper and DECIDED I would make a schedule for today and today I am ACTING on it. See what a practical help you have been to me! The boys started school today and it was a nice morning. I made banana bread last night so it was ready for this morning. I have a recipe that uses sour cream and it is always moist. I already have dinner planned! You would think by now I would have had all this figured out. Really though last year was the first year I was able to do for the boys in the morning after having cancer. This year I actually feel good and have sufficient energy.
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Proverbs 4:
http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/proverbs/4-audio.html
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I am going to listen to Money Masters while I do some cleaning today now that the boys are in school.

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Reading ahead

"Why do you test people?"

I read ahead on your reply and I got to the point where you said something that challenged another person, and what you said challenges yourself too, and in that context is the meaning of me testing people.

The meaning of me testing people is like a challenge I ask of myself and I test that same challenge on other people, and the idea is to know better, to petition the human race and see "what were we thinking" while a few guys in suits are buying World War III with our dimes.

Holding ourselves to account for ourselves is a process and the process takes time and effort, it is taxing.

"I still cannot visualize the immobilization unit. Every time I try to think about it, all I can see in my mind is someone trying to hurt me or someone else who is innocent."

Criminals have many weapons right now, so why is one more weapon increasing your fear of criminals?

You have had your brain washed, from birth, to fear everyone else, as if everyone else is as guilty as the worst criminals, and the worst criminals have the brain washing weapon of mass delusion.

Remember this (please):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmgehdpsq6w

Television is almost the perfect Mass Media tool for Dictators.

I ran across this:

http://www.rand.org/pubs/rgs_dissertations/RGSD127/sec2.html

Look at the Chart on that page, you don't have to read (but the text is instructive), to gain the understanding of how ONE WAY communication works best, such as Television.

The Internet is very bad for Dictator's compared to Television because each person can connect to each other person and equitable transfers of data, such as a discussion, are possible with The Internet, and only Dictatorial Commands are possible with Television as information goes ONE WAY - counterfeit discussions are more the rule and less the exception on Television.

Legal Criminals may ask counterfeit questions:
"How can we win all our wars better?"

An entire separate apparatus is required in order to get feedback concerning what is disseminated through television, such as focus groups, and polls, and an entire Rating Industry, because Television is ONE WAY communication, like One Way Radio.

Seriously though, please consider a test, think about the POWER of being able to reach the most people at once, and do so for a few minutes, like a Commercial during The Super Bowl, and in those few minutes you can subject very many people all at once.

Is that POWER?

Why can't I record the Super Bowl LIVE and broadcast it on The Internet LIVE and in place of all the Commercials I put Liberty advertizements, or no true advertizements or no false ones?

Technology is now reaching a point where it doesn't take a Chinese Communist Government POWER to steal Television audiences from the Major Media Companies who have the exclusive license to subject all those Americans who have grown up attached to their television screens.

Subject them to what?

Subject television audiences to what, exactly?

Subject the subjects to subjection, as a rule, not an exception?

Someone (not some thing) has the POWER to subject all those Americans to false advertizements produced by Limited Liability Corporations?

That is changing now. Now the new generation is finding ways to OPT OUT of the Commercials. "Commercial" television is being replaced as people figure out how to OPT OUT.

It is a battle.

Press the button, and you can skip "Commercialization" of our mediums of exchange?

What is meant by the word "ours"?

Which script are you reading from, when you use words like "our"?

When I use the word "our" (our mediums of exchange) it is my intention to specifically name every Friend of Liberty and it my intention to specifically leave out every Friend of Legal Crime.

How do I know who is on which list, and do I care enough to find out?

Anyone who would have a defensive weapon (such as a lie, a pointed stick, a gun, or an immobilizing device) as a means by which they would take anything from someone else, is a criminal - were the victim is innocent and the criminal is subjecting the innocent to harm against the victim's knowledge or consent, and this "fine print" is meant to separate what happens between criminals who commit crimes for each other, as part of a cycle of inanity such as The Business Psycho, from, from, from, separate the bad ones from the good ones, what happens when bad people harm innocent people, such as babies, and children, who would not naturally resort to deceit, as a means of surviving, and would not naturally resort to threats of violence as a means of surviving by taking from the innocent (or the guilty), and these innocent natural human beings would not resort to killing each other to survive at the expense of each other.

The word "innocent" is in the fine print for good reason.

If "we" are actually surrounding each other, each of us are criminals, then I want to know, and so far I think the data suggests otherwise.

Why do I test people? To know better.

If I had the power to take all weapons from everyone the criminals would still find ways to claw their victim's eyes out, so what explains the fact that so many people just so happen to be traveling along in life without resorting to clawing each others eyes out - literally?

We act like we might all begin to claw each others eyes out any moment, because that is what is written in the scripts we are subjected to since birth?

"The deception runs deep so much so I cannot even see where I am deceived. But that does not make me a foe."

Here is where I see things in our future developing into something along the lines of a Civil War but this time it may be much less violent. Consider, for example, a reawakening of the POWER of Trial by Jury known by enough people, whereby these Jurors begin to set each other free from National Income Tax - for ONE example of a Battle Front in the New Civil War (this time it may actually be Civil).

I would be on the side of the Grey Uniforms, and half of my brothers may be on the side of the Blue Uniforms. If one of us is being accused of failing to pay Union Dues, because we prefer a Confederated Government compared to a Consolidated Government, then I, being on a Jury, would acquit the Tax Evader, and set him free, while half of my brothers would try to get the Tax Evader Punished Severely, to make an example out of the Tax Evader, so as to put the Fear of God into any other Tax Evaders who may try to get away with failing to pay their Union Dues.

My tests, my Litmus Tests, intend to keep me on the right side in the Civil War, which may be much less violent than that last one, but then again who knows the official score?

Legal Criminals versus Victims?

Who knows the official score?

When is it a good time to know the official score?

"Just because people cannot all understand your view of the immobilization device does not make us foes IMO."

Same thing:

I place myself on a Jury, and the accused is accused of having an Immobilizing Defensive Weapon purchased "unlawfully", without license, without paying the fee, without the "background check" that only applies to the innocent since criminals know how to get any weapon anytime (fast and furious), so the accused failed in paying the "market price" which is jacked up because of the enforced scarcity of the defensive weapon, and my brothers want to make an example out of the person who illegally obtained defensive POWER, who IS in this case a little old lady who was "caught" immobilizing a gang of criminals for 1 hour, instead of allowing the criminals to do what criminals do best.

The HORROR!

Poor, poor, poor criminals, detained for an hour, and my brothers fail to notice that the criminals who were assaulting the evil old lady were wearing federal badges, or is that why my brothers are so eager to make an example out of the little old lady?

So...I set that little old lady free, and I'm just 1 in 12.

Who makes an example of the little old lady who used (or is charged only with obtaining) one of those defensive weapons that somehow become scarce for the victims while the criminals get any weapon they prefer to use on their victims?

"But that did not make me a foe did it?"

A study of the Civil War that happened in the mid 19th century, here in America, may be worth something along these lines. Demarcation lines are drawn, and there is plenty of warning, for those who care to look, and the whole dirty business can be avoided, if the clash is seen in time.

By the way, the Waco Massacre was claimed to be the enforcement of a tax on defensive weapons.

"See my beloved country [I am not sure if I am allowed to use the word] in jeopardy and I cannot free it?"

Please see how my viewpoint measures the above subject which is in view differently.

I rewrite the sentence:

See my beloved Friends of Liberty who live in this place (country), all those people on this list of people, each one a measurable, known, Friend of Liberty, in thought, and in deed, and I will say so, because that is how Liberty works, honest, accurate, out in the open, with nothing to hide, and no one to hide from, not even our selves, and I will help free us from Friends of Legal Crime, as I find ways to do so, specifically in ways that help us find each other, and help us avoid those who are planning on taking our Liberty from us, by knowing better who is friend and who is foe in accurately measurable ways such as Litmus Tests.

If you go to a meeting, of some government of some kind, other than your own family, other than a recreational school function, will you have the POWER to discover the Friends of Liberty, and help them, and will you be able to discover the Friends of Legal Crime, and will the Friends of Liberty be able to avoid those criminals who claim that their crimes are legal?

You don't have to disarm the Friends of Legal Crime, their power is taken from you, just keep your power, and those Friends of Legal Crime have to look elsewhere to steal the power they gain at the expense of the victims.

If all the Friends of Liberty stop being victims, what happens?

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." Henry Ford

"Don’t make me feel like I am being backed me into a corner by telling me I foam at the mouth or see red."

I step over the line too much, and I can see where your help in this is very valuable. Thanks.

"I want you to tell me the answer to my question without judging me."

Much of the time I am speaking to Falsehood, and where falsehood is in my mind, or your mind, it ought to be identified, and it ought to be judged, and once that process is done, what will be the decision concerning any particular accurate measure of falsehood?

Avoid it?

How can anyone avoid something that is not known, at all, let alone known better?

"He says communism was not even a word until Marx invented it."

Jumping ahead:

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/305250.html

JULIET:
'Tis but thy name that is my enemy;
Thou art thyself, though not a Montague.
What's Montague? it is nor hand, nor foot,
Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
Belonging to a man. O, be some other name!
What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;
So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call'd,
Retain that dear perfection which he owes
Without that title. Romeo, doff thy name,
And for that name which is no part of thee
Take all myself.

Alexander I. Solzhenitsyn may be right about Art being more powerful than falsehood and violence.

Communism like Nazism (Fascism) is Legal Crime, but there are counterfeit versions of Legal Crime too (bad things are counterfeited as well as good things being counterfeited):

http://www.iptv.org/iowapathways/mypath.cfm?ounid=ob_000085

Sure, Communism started as Legal Crime, on purpose, so the Counterfeit version would be good; like a child going house to house looking for candy with a Devil suit on during Halloween: the child is a very poor counterfeit version of the Devil.

Communists rejected socialism, and I've shown you the official record on that already, but this is all diversion to me, because the name used is always a False Front when it is crime.

The criminals don't say: Legal Crime Central, come get your injury, we will take all we can take, step up, one and all.

They don't dress up in ways that make them look horrible, dastardly, evil, terrifying, rat like, roach like, vermin like, snake like, deadly, fearful, smelly, revolting, disguising, unwelcome, unappetizing, unattractive, and hateful, and it takes taxing effort to realize that their actions uncover their true colors, not their garb, and not their make-up, and not their sweet sounding words.

"It didn’t work one bit. He says communism was not even a word until Marx invented it. Is that true?"

I think that Jeff is right, which is familiar already. I like the guy, but his plate is full, and his best work is playing with the kids, so he may not be able to offer much in the way of empowering you with defensive political power where you may be working to know better as to which people are Friends of Liberty and which ones are Friends of Legal Crime, and that is where my advice is to say to you that you may be The Better Half in that sphere of influence and there may be times when you had better have your ducks in a row, because there may be a battle between you and Jeff where you had better win, because Jeff may not be prepared as well as you in making the right choice at that specific time.

That is a warning I offer twice now.

Other warnings include being prepared for more of the same attacks upon your soul concerning how you may react to the PEOPLE you uncover as their true colors become more obvious to you, as your sense of right and wrong is attacked with extreme examples of evil in human form.

It is a fine thing for someone to be naturally born with a high state of awareness, a POWER, to judge another person's true character, but what if they are wrong? What if you, for whatever reason, earned, or just handed to you, you find yourself in a situation where your POWER to know better, concerning someone connecting to your family is SCREAMING FOUL, and no one else can see the danger?

Literally picking yourself up from near death, needing, and somehow being given, help, is cause for care in many taxing ways. I get that, and I can sympathize, but I can't empathize enough to help: you will be your best asset or your worst enemy as far as my understanding, my POWER to know better, is concerned.

I'm not saying that very bad things will happen, and you had better know better, and you had better not rely upon anyone else, that may not ever happen, but anyone currently looking around at what IS happening in our world has to begin to question authority some, and then some more, and that process may be more vital in the near future than it may first appear at this time.

The power of knowing better is scarce, it seems, and in low demand, for some reason, but that is cause for more care, not less.

"He even told me that Australia was socialist country."

Challenging Jeff on the meaning of specific words may be worth doing in the right time and places, perhaps not an all out frontal assault.

This country (actually this political/economic system) is as, or more, socialist compared to Australia, but a more accurate word might be fascist. If you do get along in the crusade to hold your local government accountable and you do find the Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports then you will have something to ask Jeff concerning the definitions of words such as Socialist, Fascist, and Capitalist.

What is the word for having two sets of books?

If you find two sets of books, where one set of books is the accurate accounting of exactly how much surplus wealth has accumulated in the Fund, and it is a much larger number than the number on the second set of books, the Budget, For Public Consumption, then the accurate word for that is FRAUD, not socialism, not fascism, not communism, not capitalism, not government, not law, the accurate word is FRAUD.

They tell the tax payers that "we are broke" so that the tax payers will keep working harder to pay more taxes, and that is a lie, when the other set of books record the accurate fact that "they" are not broke, they are very well off, and they commit that FRAUD, so as to keep the money flowing to their advantage, at the expense of the victims they target for FRAUD.

If you are studying this society stuff (politics, economics, and spirituality combined) and it sounds better to call what you are doing sociology, not socialism, then drop the non-competitive name.

You wouldn't show up to a Black Panthers meeting in a Klu Klux Klan outfit.

What's in a name?

A more competitive name, if you want to be accurate, is the name that communicates the accurate message better.

A more competitive name, if you want to deceive, is the name that communicates the false message better.

"How do you know the book even exists? I have tried looking for it for you but I cannot find it either. Do you know what the cover will looks like? What year do you think it was written? Have you tried the Library of Congress?"

I have seen, but I have not yet bookmarked, or saved, at least two references to The History of Socialism by Stephen Pearl Andrews. I did not check the Library of Congress.

"Yes, I see your point, but are there any voluntary socialists around that are practicing voluntary socialism together?"

A study of Venezuela may uncover a lot of people who are gaining individual power under a socialist government that is not as voluntary as is humanly possible, but compared to what? They are going in a direction relative to where they were going as an aggregate measure of standard of living and cost of living.

Individuals are now in schools learning math, science, and other useful things (probably being subjected to political falsehoods too), water is cleaning up, life is getting better, the costs are going down, and the Revolution was competitive in nature, getting free from worse, and moving toward better?

Compared to what?

Our water, here in Barstow, is poisoned, and the "government" is white washing the increase in water prices being paid by the many consumers of "our" water to the few people who allowed the water to be poisoned.

If Venezuela, as an aggregate measure of quality of life and cost of life is going up, while in America the aggregate measure of the quality of life and cost of life is flat or going down, then does it matter what names are used on the Government Stationary?

What is being done to increase the power of the individuals to a level at which the individuals are then able to defend against crimes committed against them by anyone, with or without badges?

1.
End the FED
2.
End the IRS
3.
No more torture and mass murder for fun and profit exported

If we Friends of Liberty work in those specific directions we don't work toward socialism, as defined by Jeff, or as defined by Ron Paul, we work to move POWER, and the POWER we work to move is POWER made by individuals as individuals no longer send their earnings to Legal Criminals. When that POWER stops flowing that way, the individuals are thereby made more POWERFUL, because they keep the POWER they earn, instead of sending their POWER to provide the means by which we suffer.

Arguing over the meaning of the word socialism is an exercise in academia?

"I mean is there a group of voluntary socialists somewhere that one can join?"

My dad advised us kids against joining things. I think the dues tend to be exorbitant.

What are the current Union Dues?

"I did not understand what you are trying to tell me. I remember you explaining a rose by another name, but I cannot remember what you said or what it means."

The story by Shakespeare had to do with (I'm not sure about this) two rival families and a couple forming: one female and one male from each group. The female wanted the male to drop his name, because the name did not accurately communicate the value of the thing (lover) being named.

"I will have to look up my recipe and surprise them."

BREAK

"I am not smart enough to know the difference between truth and deception. The only thing I know as reliable truth is every word in the 66 books called the Holy Scriptures in the Bible, the Word of God."

Added to the fact that God has spoken, and therefore the Word is very POWERFUL (so long as it is interpreted accurately), added to that, is the concept of a Standard of Value, by which all other words can be compared, competitively, for validity, usefulness, efficiency, and other measures of value.

When in doubt open The Good Book and compare what may be false with what is true? A Standard of Value in Judging Truth from Counterfeiters?

Any other information, from anyone, in or out of "government", can be compared to the Standard of Value, and that isn't academic exercising.

That is POWER.

What power?

Is it the power to know better or not?

GregP:
"I see the formation of a moral and civil society (aka free society) as an exercise in applied human psychology and the recognition that *no one* can be trusted with power. And thus no one should ever have power to exercise over others."

Is there contradiction or misunderstanding concerning the accurate discrimination between Defensive and Offensive POWER?

Does GregP give up on Liberty by claiming that crime will flourish no matter what, so the least worst way to deal with crime is to make crime legal, and to give badges to people at random, and then criminals with badges will be less powerful?

I think that GregP, based upon those words, is fooled into believing the lie told by so many criminals, with or without badges, whereby Men are Bad, and it takes this or that recipe to be less evil, since Men are Evil - without exception.

I don't buy into that lie, because it is a lie, so I would LOVE to challenge GregP on those points of view.

Perhaps I could know better as well as GregP knowing better at the same time, in an equitable discussion, were such a thing to flourish?

"I can accept that within a species survival of the fittest can cause changes to that species, but I do not accept the notion that a species will evolve into another species. I believe God created the heavens in the earth in 6 days as stated in Genesis and that each “kind” brings forth its own “kind” as God set forth as the pattern in Genesis."

I may be able to find the links that report the division between Charles Darwin's work and the Counterfeit version, which was specific, where there was a person named who was recorded as having twisted the work done by Charles Darwin so as to misdirect people who may be affected by the work done by Charles Darwin. This is a distraction, but it has relevance to the topic, since the work done by the Counterfeiters was work done to support the Lie that Men are Bad, and to support the Lie that Might makes Right.

Darwin's work supports the concept that Right, such as God's Word, is Right, not that Might makes Right, and that can easily be understood.

Two people cooperating, a man and woman, loving each other, is the POWERFUL stuff that perpetuates LIFE on Earth. If Might makes Right, then Man rapes Women, to bear children to eat, and how long will that behavior go in keeping Life going?

Which "theory" makes more sense:

Do unto others as you would have them do onto you.

Take from others before others can take from you.

Darwin's work supports the former.

Counterfeit Darwin's work supports the LIE.

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“But perhaps sufficient numbers of people will, and that is the need for self-government.”

So then add the word “self” and I still ask, by what rules is one to rule one’s self by?
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What is the Standard of Value?

Lies?

"So my non violent drug offender argument did not work well because I don’t have the answers to the counterpoints worked out."

At this point I suggest a new topic on that subject alone, and I can convey something I learned a long time ago concerning Libertarian Dogma.

Libertarian Dogma, as soon as I started to hear it, was missing the Falsehood Warnings, and that Libertarian Dogma was forging ahead with ONLY WARNINGS OF VIOLENCE.

I went to Libertarian Party Meetings, and what I found was mislead, misguided, misinformed, and counter-productive people who where Championing a Non-Aggressive Principle MISSING the POWER OF FALSEHOOD almost entirely as if they felt the need to cover up their own lies, for some strange reason.

Lies are bad, sure, but I can't sell my crap at the price I want if I don't lie about the crap I sell?

Everyone will secure their own requirements as completely as possible to the exclusion of all others, and there is no wealth without scarcity?

Scarcity of truth?

So drug abuse has to be followed right to the person profiting at the expense of the victims and that trail leads right back to The FED, the IRS, and those misguided Troops, since the Drug Trade is heavily subsidized, and the flow of power is again flowing from National Tax payers, through the IRS, and through the ONE LEGAL MONEY DEMANDED, Federal Reserve Notes, flowing to Troops with CIA badges, and other badges, as Drugs are made in places like Afghanistan, and shipments are imported to places like Mena Arkansas, guns are shipped too, since those Drugs are now very, very, very scarce, and very, very, very profitable, as more and more victims are made into victims, and the whole thing works so well for those few, who have names, who live on Earth, and the victims are led to believe that they are "in the club" too.

Skeptics can claim "Conspiracy Theorist" all they want, but they are deceiving themselves, and those people deceiving themselves can claim that the Fearless Leaders are doing their best to solve these problems, and those who are deceiving themselves can claim, as if falsehood itself was a drug, that someone would have blown the whistle by now, if a Conspiracy did exist, but that is all LIES.

Oliver North and Iran Contra blew the whistle, who listened?

How about this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT5MY3C86bk

You get what you pay for?

"No I don’t understand the Jelly Bean Jar. I am not seeing red though, so can you explain that Peer Pressure Power more to me."

Peer Pressure are two words in English that are significant on their FACE, since peer is a word that conveys a relationship between individuals and groups, and Pressure is a measure of POWER.

A quick answer here can be an experiment that you can do in your mind, or you can do in actual reality.

Walk alone with your arms held straight up in the air.

You walk alone anywhere, just so long as you are alone, no one else can see you walking with your arms held straight up in the air.

Note how you feel when you are walking along, for one minute, with your hands held straight up in the air - alone - noting how you feel.

That is a Standard of Measure that you now have as you note how you feel when you are alone walking along for 1 minute with your hands held straight up in the air.

Now go to a busy Shopping Mall and walk along with your hands held straight up in the air for one minute and note how you feel.

1.
You feel (fill in the blank) alone.
2.
You feel (fill in the blank) in a crowd.

Is there any difference in 1 and 2 above?

A person who is a clinical Narcissist may not feel anything different between 1 and 2 unless someone communicates with the clinical Narcissist during the walk through the Mall.

How do you feel alone compared to how you feel in a group, not counting any looks you may get from other people, the idea is to know the internal POWER you have inside you as you are aware of other people around you.

Do the test blind folded and with ear plugs, don't walk, just stretch your arms straight up, as if you are tickling the feet of God?

Does that convey a sense of Peer Pressure to you?

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“3.End Criminal War (profits)”

Hmm, those are different words from brining the troops home. More accurate?
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Troops are not JUST the socialist military group, there are now many Private Armies (Blackwater/Gestapo), Secret Service (SS), CIA, FBI, Homeland Security, FEMA, or are those Fascist troops too?

Public or Private?

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"So anyone not obeying must fly below the radar in order not to be destroyed?"

I think that this viewpoint can be answered with a concept I call Shark Bite Insurance. If you never go near the Ocean, where the Sharks swim, do you need an Insurance Policy that covers injury by Sharks?

What if all us human beings, at once, demanded an accurate accounting of exactly how much we each need to pay if we want Insurance against injury by man upon man?

What, for example, is an accurate accounting of the need to pay into a Insurance Policy if the person seeking an insurance policy, of higher quality and lower cost, wants to insure against injury by another human being?

How about Terrorism Insurance?

How many Terrorists are hiding under every bed, and therefore our fair share of Terrorist Insurance is X per month, so as to be covered with Y per incident of Terrorism?

"So anyone not obeying must fly below the radar in order not to be destroyed?"

There are so few really evil Legal Criminals that they have a whole lot of work to do, in trying to punish everyone who breaks every law that Legal Criminals write, where PUNISHMENT is demanded, without exception, UPON every person breaking every law that the Legal Criminals say is against their LAW.

Not God's law.

How many volumes of Laws exist in U.S.A. Inc. (LLC)?

You need to obey every law all the time or hide from the Peace Officers when, and where, you fail to obey every law on every law book?

Falsehood grows exponentially among the liars.

That is a condition known as the Law of Diminishing Returns.

There is no way, after reaching a certain level of LIES, that anyone can be alive and NOT be breaking a million laws each second.

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“American is being Busted.”

Let me ask you your opinion on this thought I had today. Maybe we should allow that bust to hurry up and happen, or make it happen. Maybe then we would be rid of the criminals more quickly. Maybe we should help them move to China? Can we beat them at their game by trumping it? Is there any way to do that other than the 3 points: End the Fed/IRS/War for Profit? OK so the Jesuits in your opinion are doing the booming and busting of the 3 farms? If we were in control of the BUST maybe it would not bust everyone to smithereens.
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Who has the POWER to allow or not allow America to be Busted or Boomed?

We may be reaching a Window of Opportunity at which time The Friends of Liberty are Strongest relative to the The Friends of Legal Crime, as if repeating that time period just before The Revolutionary War, or that time period just before The Civil War, or that time period just before The Roaring 20s (which began The Great Depression/World War I/World War II part of The Business Cycle), and instead of volunteering to go to war this time, we use our PEAK POWER POINT relative to the PEAK WEAKNESS POINT of Legal Crime to our advantage?

Is that what you are asking?

I think we should, definitely, use This Window of Opportunity, to usher in our own new Liberty Day and we aught to set the date at which we will accomplish the task of Opting Out.

They can have their crash to their Black Heart's Content, while we do other things instead?

I may have lost my place in this response, so I am skipping ahead at parts of your last response that are looking very familiar.

NOTE:
I may have failed to send a lot of text concerning the concept of fighting Goliath as I can't find much of what I wrote earlier on that subject, which can be one of those BREAKS to do other things, without hitting the send button (or without cutting and pasting before hitting the send button).

You may not be the right person to slay Goliath, but you may be the right person to do so, and how can you know?

"I…a Pastor’s wife… said “Jesus isn’t coming back.”"

I get the point where words spoken may be relevant only within the Context of a discussion, and so the words are not meant to be stand alone words, true on their FACE VALUE. It is important to consider your word choices better when someone may want to use your words against you.

How many ways can you make your position weaker?

"I…a Pastor’s wife… said “Jesus isn’t coming back.”"

Did you hand someone all the ammunition they could ever need to attack you, and if so were you setting a trap, or is the concept of fighting with words foreign, not applicable, in this example of a discussion among friends?

"So the person is guilty without trial? It sounds to me a little like the president’s drone meetings deciding who would die next. I think the whole thing is messy. I do not think money should be involved in any way with causing the death of an individual. Do you like his idea?"

No.

Jim Bell was pointing the finger at Legal Crime, in my opinion, like so many other people who blow the whistle on the bad things done under the color of law. Assassination Politics IS Legal Crime, that is what they are doing right now, and Jim Bell merely shows how Legal Criminals could be more Direct, and how Legal Criminals can expand the scope of the franchise. Come one, come all, gather round, and let us all partake in Legal Crime?

The Opposite of Assassination Politics, which can be a method of countering Legal Crime, would be a competition among Insurance Providers who sell "Benefits" in case of injury by person upon person.

I call it Despotism Insurance.

How much is the accurate premium payment for a high quality benefit in case of injury by "terrorist" or average robber, or IRS agent?

Many competitive polices offered and many customers choosing the lowest cost for the highest benefit, and so, reasonably, because we are speaking about math now, what is the price for government per person for any specific benefit purchased?

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Assassination Politics (Another form of Legal Crime)

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Anti-Despotism Insurance Competition (not against the "law")

One is welcomed by the criminals, the other welcomed by the former victims.

One is not voluntary from a victims viewpoint, the other is voluntary from a former victims viewpoint.

"What happens when you cannot pay back that Lender of Last Resort?"

It was said once or twice that there are no Debtors Prisons in The Land of the Free, but that is now an well worn lie?

"Do you have any sources saying Hamilton was an English spy?"

Hamilton confessed in word and deed that his preference was for Consolidated Government modeled after the British System, so what is the opposite?

Patrick Henry explaining how Holland and Switzerland works?

The French, as it turned out, tried a Revolution of their own, inspired by the American Revolution, and things went sour even sooner than our own example where The Revolution ended in 1788, and where the Consolidated Government Agents WON?

America had the time period between 1776 and 1788, which is a span of 12 years, whereby Liberty was winning against Legal Crime, in measurable ways, and then Legal Crime Agents took back the battle field.

The Enemies of Liberty seized power internally after the Red Coats were driven out, by the Blue coats (French and American Armies), and how soon, once in Power, did the Turn Coats begin acting exactly like their Red Coat predecessors?

How about The Whiskey Rebellion?

How about the Alien and Sedition Acts?

What happened with the Jay Treaty?

"Did the French get stiffed?"

The French Revolution didn't go the same way as the American Revolution, not for 12 years of Competitive Liberty, it was an entirely different story in France, and there is much to that story that I would like to uncover, but time is so precious, these days, I may not get to that study.

"Did the American people know that Hamilton was going to stiff the French? Was there a plan to stiff the French from the beginning when the revolutionists accepted the loan from the French? Did the French want something else as payback? Something like allegiance or perhaps some other inconvenient attachment?"

See how inadequate it is to claim that some ONE speaks for The French, as if The French were ONE PERSON?

Who financed Neapolitan Bonaparte?

Was that example a Puppet gone Rouge? Would that be a familiar story line?

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"This year I actually feel good and have sufficient energy."

Energy is interesting. It is said that Energy cannot be created nor destroyed. I prefer to use the English word POWER, and it is interesting because Energy can be converted to Power in reality and in measuring reality, so what is the difference between Energy and Power?

Joe

Josf Try This

youtube dot com / watch ? v = 7 J L V 2 2 u U m D I

Take out the spaces and change the dot :)

2005 not 1996

My memory is so bad I don't remember to distrust my memory.

Joe

My memory is so bad you have

My memory is so bad you have to tell me things over and over...maybe I shouldn't say that and you wouldn't remember that you have already told me? So were you the one he met or did you raise your hand? I wonder why I couldn't copy and paste that link. I tried several times even in new DP windows. All I would get is a bland single space after the paste. Oh well. Yes, time does fly...someone said something about 1979 the other day. In my mind that date does not that long ago...

Unidentified me

It is my assumption that I was one of the Anarchists. I did not meet Ron Paul, the line to shake his hand was too long.

I don't volunteer to be called anything by anyone, since names tend to mislead people into thinking I am something that I do not claim to be, in any way, shape, or form.

The basket of questions was there on the first day, I saw no basket after the first day. I don't remember anyone else putting questions in the basket. I put more than one question in the basket. I saw a request for questions. I supplied that demand. None of my questions were tabled. My questions had to do with The Internet as an almost pure form of Anarchism or Free Market and how that POWER works in Economy and how Free Market POWER works in China if China is invaded with The Internet POWER.

I was well prepared for any discussion that may have followed on those subjects. I think I eluded to the concept of Intellectual Property Rights, again making reference to China and The Internet.

Why those subject were avoided in a Financial Markets Conference I still don't know. Obviously, measurably, since 2005 there has been "Capital Flight" to China. This is the stuff, incidentally, covered by Ross Perot during his run for President in 1992, as Ross Perot used the illustrative analogy of a Large Sucking Sound as Trade Policies, at that time, would inspire "Capital Flight".

While at the recent Nevada Liberty Conference, again Ron Paul attending, I asked a Speaker who Spoke about the recent Audit the FED, limited audit, but none-the-less an audit on The FED, and I asked about the Chinese connection, as to how much FED money went to China, why, etc.

The Chinese connection was not acknowledged as being significant by the speaker, who I can't remember, but I don't think it was Matt Hawes. It was a young man, late 20s, purple suit.

I know that the Fed Audit included financing for Johnson Tractor which included investments in China, so much for what I know?

Which set of books were audited?

Do remember a story about faulty Chinese parts in U.S. Military hardware?

If John Boyd was alive today I'd like to bend his ear on current news concerning China and the interrelationship of Military and Economic Power. He is not alive.

We have to work with what God gave us?

"Let me ask you your opinion on this thought I had today. Maybe we should allow that bust to hurry up and happen, or make it happen. Maybe then we would be rid of the criminals more quickly. Maybe we should help them move to China? Can we beat them at their game by trumping it? Is there any way to do that other than the 3 points: End the Fed/IRS/War for Profit?"

If possible there can be two angles (at least) to view that question:

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Dictatorial, Monopoly, Destruction, Collective, Irresponsible, Unaccountable, Limited Liability, Negative, Corporate, Inna curate, Involuntary, Iniquitous, Fiat, Decree, Order, Command, Enforce, Punish, END THE FED, END THE IRS, END CRIMINAL WARS FOR PROFIT

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Adaptive, creative, competitive, inventive, multifaceted, individual, accountable, responsible, accurate, equitable, productive, positive, voluntary, welcome, out preform The FED, The IRS, Defensive Troops, with higher quality and lower cost examples of similar things.

"Maybe we should allow that bust to hurry up and happen, or make it happen."

Yes, and in preparation for that eventuality, we can be inventing our own better replacements for Legal Money, Taxes, and Defense against Organized Crime with or without badges.

That is what I've been trying to say, since this is our best chance, our window of opportunity, while U.S.A. Inc. (LLC) is being BUSTED, the actual Tax Payers (Victims) are relatively strongest compared to the Legal Criminals at this point in The Business Psycho.

The End Game here is to force the American victims to be powerless and primed to accept another World Reserve Currency once The Dollar Hegemony is gutted, raided, and left like an empty paper back.

The World Reserve Currency POWER will be ushered into our lives by those who have the POWER to do so, and instead of US sending our earnings to The FED, we will be led to this new slaughter, of having our POWER flowing through Puppets propped up at our State and National Level, to feed into the Monopoly Power that will merely have a new name, same old routine, new name.

They have to make America weak in order to make America weaker, and that may require World War III, BECAUSE we are growing much too strong.

It is BECAUSE we are growing much too strong that we aught to use our remaining Strength to opt out, and there are plenty of examples of how to opt out, not limited to that example provided with the time period between 1776 and 1788.

The time is ripe, as never before, and perhaps never again.

If the process is allowed to proceed as it has time after time then we will be a "third world" country, and we will be on the wronger end of the World Reserve Currency stick.

That needs to be understood in context of The lesser of Two Evils, when I say that we will be on the wronger end of the World Reserve Currency stick. The whole thing is evil, and there are worse things than death, or so I've been warned.

If you think being on the "good" end of The World Reserve Currency Stick is bad, then stick around, there is a sharp end to that pointed stick, and those who invent it, produce it, and maintain it are fond of using that pointed stick on the targets they target.

"OK so the Jesuits in your opinion are doing the booming and busting of the 3 farms? If we were in control of the BUST maybe it would not bust everyone to smithereens."

We need only to step out of the way by stepping into Liberty, because in Liberty many people will be solving the money problems, which are merely POWER problems, with inventive, competitive, higher quality, and lower cost, alternatives.

Henry Ford:
"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."

What is the best time to do that, too late, or just right?

"This is probably a childish question, but how do you see the power flowing to Asia? What does it look like? I don’t read the newspaper."

I let a lot of the NEWS pass by without bookmarking, but some of it I have recorded on the Forum page that you find to be connected too closely to unsavory individuals or powers.

One very good example was published awhile ago on the Lew Rockwell site whereby an Austrian Economist type person visited China and he reported the amazing level of productive activity in contrast with the American example, like night and day. That type of thing has been constant, if you were looking, for over 30 years.

Two stories appear to be in direct contrast with each other as such:

1. Wonderful China
China is becoming capitalist, is becoming highly industrialized, is gaining power in leaps and bounds, buying up Gold, loaning "money", taking over markets, taking over resources world wide, gaining political and economic connections to many other Nation States, and IS the example of how Capitalism works, with "our" help, as never before seen in Human History.

2. Evil China
China is building up an Military Power aligning with Iran, Russia, Venezuela, and therefore U.S.A. must contain those dominoes, with continued Preemptive U.S. Military ACTION everywhere in the world, including the specific U.S. Military presence all around the Chinese Nation State.

Those Stories are invented by, produced by, and maintained by the same group of people. They are lying, that is all an elaborate Fraud, as proven by the diametric contradiction.

Help China be Capitalist: Capital Flight from America to China to make China more powerful through Trade "Agreements" (Giant Sucking Sound as reported by Ross Perot as far back as 1992), while at the same time Increase Military Expenditures in the effort to Contain Communist Chinese Aggression.

You, being a member of the productive CLASS, are told to buy low cost Chinese stuff, that is your script, and you are not directly targeted with the information that is intended to inform you of the need to Counter Communist Chinese Aggression.

And, to top it all off, the sitting president is a Marxist Leninist?

And "we" have to conserve our republic government by breaking the fingers and the hips of the supporters of a Conspiracy Theorist (Ron Paul) who is ruining our chances to elect a known Liar who sympathizes with Communist "Health Care" so as to overthrow a known Marxist Leninist who sympathizes with Communist "Health Care"?

Outside of the Firewall that is U.S.A. sanctioned "News" are many sources of very good information concerning the facts.

Here is one:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/GF16Dj01.html

The point here could be more obvious than my words manage to convey. Who sends their children off to World War III?

What is the date at which World War III starts?

Who sends their earnings off to finance World War III?

Did you buy something Made in China recently?

Who gained the most when you bought something Made in China recently?

You?

The people who actually worked at the factory to make the thing you bought that was Made in China?

Is there rational ideas known by someone other than us two concerning what is happening in China relative to America?

I've read the link, and I've started reading the link twice, but there is a lot of information in that link, so the pile grows even higher?

Trade Wars are not NEWS. They are predictable events, produced by people in power, and the concept isn't a result of Free Market forces, it is the result of Crime made Legal.

China is by many measures growing much more powerful at a much higher rate relative to America and that is not NEWS.

"I don’t want you to say that to me. To me that is like me saying to you, “don’t disarm me.” Why would I want to shoot anyone who is not a physical threat to me?"

Understood. If I do that again, please feel free to help me work that out of my system. I need help in these things.

"As far as I know there is no law that is not given to every man to follow. God even made a point to say to judge righteously, especially those who are vulnerable:"

Returning back to the very difficult measure of Peer Pressure, please, consider the total sum of righteous judgements currently applied by individuals upon individuals and then, please, keep that POWER in mind while you also JUDGE the entire collective sum POWER of every lie told by a person upon other people.

Peer Pressure can be as righteous as it is false in any individual case whatsoever.

Which power is winning?

Who is keeping score?

Who cares?

"Malachi 3: 6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity."

So, then, is equity the opposite of iniquity?

I do like those words.

"I don’t know. I am going to listen better to see if he uses that term. That congressman from South Carolina called Bernanke a dictator and some other words I can no longer remember."

Ron Paul used the word fraud last night on the Jay Leno show, is that a coincidence? My ears are bad, I may not have heard right.

"Yah, why can’t we press charges? We don’t have standing? Thou shall not question?"

Harken back to King John and the Barons demanding an offer King John can't refuse, in the form of Trial by Jury where each individual has the legal privilege of pulling the trigger on the defensive OPT OUT weapon that nullifies any act of criminal aggression that may be attempted by any Emperors wearing no clothes.

No Ben, your money is worthless, so we won't be paying no Income Tax to the IRS, with or without Bernanke bucks.

Take a hike, I hear that they are looking for well paid liars in China, so use what power you have left to get off our land.

QUOTE TIME!

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How does your trial by jury stand? In civil cases gone—not sufficiently secured in criminal—this best privilege is gone. But we are told that we need not fear; because those in power, being our representatives, will not abuse the power we put in their hands.
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Pat Man
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Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say "what should be the reward of such sacrifices?" Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!
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Sammy Baby

"I don’t know why not. Perhaps the price to be paid for such charges are to high for the person that would make the charge? I still remember the guy in the red shirt in the Fed hearings that looked like he did not belong…sitting right in the center with arms crossed and collar up. Maybe one does not play around with the Legal Criminals with too much forwardness?"

Effective caution can be improved by knowing better?

"Maybe Ron Paul does not discredit equity. I think I have heard that he is one of those Voluntaryists. He used to wear yellow & black ties from what I have seen people writing about on the DP."

My point was that Ron Paul prescribes ending the FED, IRS, and bring the Troop Home, VOLUNTARILY, so whatever else he does is not something I see as worthy of my complaints.

"I think people think of anarchy as torching cars and looting buildings."

The level of Falsehood, in each individual, and added up collectively, is great, just look at all the people who see inconvenience, at best, when someone mentions the word Jesus?

There is hope, but it may be taxing to find it?

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Someone needs to fight Goliath. Who is going to do it. I am waiting. So are you telling me that Lew Rockwell thinks I should just mind my own business within my family and that Goliath will go away if I just ignore him? I cannot understand that.

“Ron Paul may be saying the opposite message, but it is not necessarily in opposition to Lew Rockwell.”

But it is the opposite message so why isn’t it in opposition to the messenger?
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The wise answer by Lew Rockwell when questioned about bad advice might be along the lines of "if the shoe fits" as the advice offered by Lew Rockwell may be along the lines of the concept of specialization. If you specialize in defeating Goliath, then Lew Rockwell is not speaking to you, when Lew Rockwell advises people to not vote or not participate or not add moral and material support to BAD government. If Lew Rockwell were to sit and tell Ron Paul, hey dude, stop doing that, it is bad, then Ron Paul could respond with, well, Lew, how are you measuring the profits I've realized in my special work?

I can't say, neither of those two are on speaking terms with me, but you are, and so long as you continue to Champion God's word, in any way shape or form, whereby you are not resorting to deceit to accomplish the task of injuring an innocent person, and so long as you are not resorting to threats of violence to accomplish the task of injuring an innocent person, and so long as you are not resorting to violence as a means of you injuring an innocent person for some supposed reason, God's word, or just your word, then I say MORE POWER TO YOU.

Go to a meeting of some nebulous government function and let the world of GOD be righteous from your mouth.

Please.

I've been in similar situations, and I measure my profits as my knowing better, and other people, perhaps, learning a thing or two as they may witness what goes on during my participating in those types of events.

"Certainly he must understand it, or is he is an enemy giving a false method?"

If his message is ONLY for other people to consider the concept of avoiding any contact with evil government people, if that is all he is advising, then I agree with it. If he is advising other things, such as "if you can't beat em': join em'", then I can't agree with that, it is wrong.

Lew Rockwell is one person among many who I have no connection to other than a ONE WAY connection where I get his messages and there is no means by which I can answer his messages directly.

What good are dictates?

God excepted, what good are dictates from one person to other people?

If the sign says slow down, bridge out, it may be a good idea to heed the dictate.

If the sign says drive faster over this blind hill, the bridge is fine, then it may be a good idea to question that authority.

"And it seems to me that if he is giving the wrong opposite advice that he is actually doing negative work. A negative error in the checkbook is really bad because it takes an amount to get back to 0 and then that amount again to get to the positive amount. So if by inaction Lew is causing a deficit to Liberty, then his message is really causing something that takes twice as much positive power to overcome."

That is valuable on it's face, to me, it is a good form of a dictate, it is very valuable as a message of meaning while you employ the tool of English language.

That lacks a specific example to prove the point.

“Jesus isn’t coming back.”

That is not a good example of a message that conveys accurate meaning on it's face value, but in context the message can be understood without too much error - it seems to me.

If you need to give your enemies ammunition to injure you, or an excuse to attack you, then keep it up.

Blurt out anything that erupts into your mind, and see what happens.

How better to judge friend from foe?

Be honest.

Who is honest to a fault?

A time may arrive, yet, where life and death decisions depend upon you, or I, or other Friends of Liberty, telling convincing lies to our enemies.

When that time comes, it seems to me, there is little hope left.

Meanwhile, we can know better?

You don't keep two sets of books, one that hides your actual income from The IRS, because you are good.

Don't resort to deceit, that is bad?

I think I'm on your side, so far as I can tell.

“Jesus isn’t coming back.”

In context, as far as I can tell, you are lashing out at falsehood, at people who use Jesus as an excuse for something, an excuse for lying, hiding from the bad guys?

I don't know. Other people may be reading this, and your reports on The Front, where the rubber meets the road, in the fight against Goliath, may be valuable stuff.

I don't know.

"They don’t know what God’s plan is and Jesus didn’t come back when 200 million were killed by Bolshevik Communism."

Correction: The unofficial best rough guess estimate is 20 Million killed by lawful order in Bolshevik Communism, so one less digit doesn't save 180 million people due to a typo. I get the point.

http://www.amazon.com/Death-Government-R-J-Rummel/dp/1560009276

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Chapter 4

61,911,000 Murdered
The Soviet Gulag State

When we are reproached with cruelty, we wonder how people can forget the most elementary Marxism.
-Lenin

"How long will you keep killing people?" asked Lady Astor of Stalin in 1933
Replied Stalin, "The process would continue as long as was necessary" to establish a communist society.

"I am not saying Jesus is not coming back, but we do not know when He is coming back so what, sit on our hands and do nothing?"

Here is where I want to be very clear as to my warnings.

When I was working and raising kids and Waco was on Television, I was torn up not doing anything, and it occurred to me before Waco, during Waco, and after Waco, that such things can get closer, and more frequent, and no longer Live on Television, or in books, but in my City, on my Street, at my neighbors house, and at my house (the "Banks" house).

So...

My warnings of knowing better, and standing on very firm principle, is much like taking authority upon yourself, deputizing yourself, and being that agent for good that must exist, and will exist, no matter what, because that IS what IS IS.

I want to find those words in The Gulag book by Solzhenitsyn that fits here, but my copy is out of reach for now.

"And that just adds more power to the criminal interest doesn’t it? Don’t people know that by joining, it is making an evil situation gain more power than if they would stay out of it? I guess we are paying for our own demise in more ways than one: Some people on purpose for personal, and some thru coercion thru personal loss."

To me there is a possibility that Lew Rockwell offer the advice of DO NOT add any moral or material support to government because government becomes more powerful and the moral and material supporter grows weaker, however, my personal experience suggests that the opposite can be true, that Lew Rockwell is working to place other people further up in the line to the meat grinder, buying him, and his kind, more time, as they have decided that they can't "beat em'" so they have "joined em'".

I don't know.

I do know that there are ways of measuring the flow of moral and material support that flows from the victims to the criminals who have badges or not, and Ron Paul exemplifies what can be done in the opposite direction, which is to face those criminals, and to then shut off, or slow down, the moral support flowing, and the material support flowing in the wrong direction.

I have to BREAK here to get some things done.

Other Irons are as hot as this one.

Joe

Look Here

I think maybe the missing information was added here instead of to the Reading Ahead post. i.e. if I am following correctely, I think you started the Reading Ahead post, then added some comments that may have belonged there here, Unidentified Me, and then started back on the Reading Ahead post today.

Suggestion? If you want, you can move it the information inadvertantly added here from yesterday over to the Reading Ahead Post.

My post from yesterday is "On the Path." So if I am following correctly, you are working on Reading Ahead in reply to "Acting," and then "On the Path" will be next if you want to answer it.

Josf, is this getting to be too much? If you want to we can pick a single topic and I can try to stay focused, or if this is OK I am good with it too. I just don't want to be too much of a burden. I know it is voluntary and all so I am just saying.

I am sorry it is so confusing. I am going to put your Proverb for today here.

Proverbs 6: http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/proverbs/6-audio.html

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Thanks

If you are less confused by my cross posting then I am less concerned about fixing anything.

Those proverbs are very well done and it reminds me of a sermon by Jeff (I only listened to one) concerning the wisdom of reinforcing good thoughts. I think Jeff was saying that children are instructed to repeat their lessons taught to them, and so the adults aught to do the same. I though that was wise, to see the power of setting a good example.

Looking for better ways to live can be understood as a path, and that path can be compared to a similar path, but the similar path is like a counterfeit version, where someone is looking for better ways to live AT THE EXPENSE of other people.

The outward appearance (looking for better ways to live) is the same path, but that is a false front in many ways, because the hidden goal (AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHER PEOPLE) moves in the opposite direction?

Joe

No no

Yes, I would say that doing things at the expense of others is a big "no no" in God's book! God did lead the Jews in battle though. So there is a difference between innocence and war.

God used war in the Old Testament as a form of judgment on both the Jews and Gentiles alike.

I am going to put today's Proverb here. http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/proverbs/7-audio.html It is a little embarrassing to me that he first few chapters are dealing with the "strange woman." I probably would have never started sending these to you if I had remembered. I usually read and reading is different than listening. So please forgive my lack of foresight. The subject will change soon enough.

I started a new post http://www.dailypaul.com/253758/is-goode-any-good-requesting...

I have never not voted before…I am struggling. So far it is the sound of silence I may start copying the party platform paragraph by paragraph to see if I can generate some action. I didn’t follow my wait til Sunday afternoon to post rule. I don’t know if it would have made a difference or not. I may be asking for too much from Friends of Liberty.

Party time?

I think that there may be something, what is the word...

Ironic?

Proverbs 7 and The Constitution Party?

I don't know, but I sent e-mails to The Constitution Party, offering my capacity as a candidate, and there were no responses.

That says something to me.

What is their goals, and what are they going to do to reach their goals, and how can that be measured?

Joe

Ironies

"What is their goals, and what are they going to do to reach their goals, and how can that be measured?"

I don't know...divide and conquer? Remove certain people from the republican party to make that party weaker?

I feel like there is no one to vote for. You are probably laughing at me that I want to vote as if it does any good?

GJ is pro-abortion up until viability. I would like to vote for him, but I will not on that account.

Why is it that Ron Paul was the only candidate that represented my views. Has he not endorsed anyone because there is no one worth endorsing? Will your name, Mr. Kelley, be on the Missouri ballot?

Ron Paul and the Money Master video do not see eye to eye either. I suppose I want everything to be perfect...the perfectionist that I am....or used to be...because my house is by far from perfect.

The youngest is sick so my new schedule got shot to pot. I am observing that I have quit orientating and I have decided that today I will not act.

Oh well.

Fewer choices

"I feel like there is no one to vote for. You are probably laughing at me that I want to vote as if it does any good?"

If you could know that your vote was actually counted, then that would be a measure of power.

Do you have any idea as to the accuracy of the "official" vote count?

I think that there is ample evidence available to indict at least one person (not a legal fiction) assuming that Due Process of Law means anything to anyone.

Hey.

What?

It shows right here that the votes were counted wrong, and that is proven each time the machine is used to count votes, each time it counts wrong, so how did you not know?

Did you test this machine to see if it can count before you ordered millions of them?

"GJ is pro-abortion up until viability. I would like to vote for him, but I will not on that account."

That is a good topic discussion, this Abortion process, what an innocent word, eh?

I think I'll just go down to the shop and get me a dozen abortions.

"Why is it that Ron Paul was the only candidate that represented my views. Has he not endorsed anyone because there is no one worth endorsing? Will your name, Mr. Kelley, be on the Missouri ballot?"

How about Mrs. Bear in California?

"Ron Paul and the Money Master video do not see eye to eye either."

There you may be wrong, or I may be wrong, since Ron Paul LIMITING a Constitutional Government on the subject of enforcing Legal Tender allows anyone to make any currency and the choice made by consumers forces those producers to improve quality and lower cost, so any money could theoretically be as good as gold.

Ron Paul is willing to put his money where his mouth is, which may not be what the author of Money Masters has up his sleeve.

"The youngest is sick so my new schedule got shot to pot. I am observing that I have quit orientating and I have decided that today I will not act."

My mom is finding that the possible acts she can act on are few and becoming fewer, at least we have a choice?

Joe

Of course they test the machines!

and they work just the way they want them to.

If I could know my vote was counted…

It seems I go back and forth between realities, still trying to hold onto that shred of what I though was. I watched http://www.dailypaul.com/253111/new-9-11-truth-documentary-a... over the last couple of days. At about 1hour.57min they began to talk about the psychological effects of having ones world paradigm blown to bits. Even though I have a new reality after waking up, it is difficult for me yet to always remember to act in that reality or to even know how to act in the reality. The information was also interesting as I consider trying to speak with friends and family regarding the reality of Legal Crime.

Ron Paul keeps referring to a Gold Standard. Money Masters talks about the Island of Gurnsey and Pres. Lincoln just printing money without a gold backing and that being a good thing. From what I remember. Ron Paul made an issue of Lincoln printing money for war in something I watched recently.

Mrs. Bear on the ballot in Cali. That made me laugh Mr. Kelley.

"My mom is finding that the possible acts she can act on are few and becoming fewer, at least we have a choice?"

I'm sorry Josf. I would not like to think about my mom in that situation. I am sorry it is a reality for you and your mom.

We should be thankful for every day. We = I

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Peer Pressure

"We should be thankful for every day. We = I"

I think that there is so much unknown, vastness of such incomprehensible size, and scope, that we don't even know how much we don't know, and I mean "I", because this is one of my pet peeves concerning people who prop themselves up as dictators.

I think that peer pressure is somehow linked to spirituality, and some people are more tuned in on that frequency, somehow, and when so many people are so well polarized toward evil, the innocent, spiritual, human mind is bombarded with very dangerous signals that attack that soul, and cause extreme pressure to build within it, and these consequences of too many people failing to do even the least taxing thing is extremely destructive to life in this human form, so, in my opinion the creator is not going to be very happy about it.

Mistakes along the way are compounded.

People may become desperate.

What power steps in to remedy those very destructive forces?

There must be an individual connection of some kind, regardless of the source, where that power of righteous remedy has to eventually embody individual souls.

As to the Gold Standard, there is a Litmus Test, and this works on any issue, including the Abortion issue. If the promoter of Gold or Abortion claims that there are no victims, while bodies pile up, then it may be a good idea to question that authority, take some power and begin to investigate the causes of the torturous deaths of all those victims.

Gold as a voluntary Standard, or I.O.U.s ("fiat money") as a voluntary Standard isn't likely to be the preferred money used by people who enforce abortions upon those who refuse to have abortions, or those who refuse to pay for someone having abortions.

Please consider this, on this subject of Legal Crime, whereupon it is the fact that only ONE money is deemed (by executive fiat) THE money and once that happens, then it is a Law Crime Standard of Value, and no matter what other qualities are designed into the ONE MONEY, that Law Crime Standard of Value dominates all other "qualities" and all those who are "incorporated" into that Law Crime Standard of Value will be funding whatever those criminals who take that power want, not limited in any way by any sense of morality, or anything other than the LIE that MIGHT makes RIGHT, and God, or anyone else, be damned.

Your earnings, your power, as much of your power as can be taken from you, to the limit that it can be taken from you, is taken from you through that Legal Crime connection with that ONE MONEY, to a point where you have no control, whatsoever, as to what is done with that POWER you once had, including, Legal Torture, Legal Mass Murder, and Legal Child Sex Slavery (Franklin Case), and including abortions working like a legal flue shot.

If the legal criminals get the power they desire they will make abortions mandatory, and not one of the true Friends of Liberty can argue this fact, without lending more moral and material support, added on top of what already flows to provide the means by which we suffer.

There is no room left to give them the benefit of doubt.

Legal Criminals are the enemies of mankind, the enemies of God, the enemies of morality, the enemies of life on Earth, and there is no doubt about it, other than counterfeit doubt, which is Manufactured Consent, Brainwashing, Behavioral Modification, Response Conditioning, as if Pavlov's Dogs roam the Earth, salivating when the bell rings, calling for these powerless responses to abject evil.

What happens when Friends of Liberty cooperate and their power is greater than the sum of the individual parts?

I think I know.

What happens is very bad for Legal Crime, and they know it.

Joe

OF and IN

Yes, let Friends OF Liberty COOPERATE such that we are Friends IN Liberty!

of and in...such a nice transition IMO.

My friend, I am sending along the Proverb for the 8th

http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/proverbs/8-audio.html

I am working on answering your completed post yesterday. It may take me a couple of days. I have swamped myself with that Is Goode Good post... I don't know what came over me yesterday, but I want to vet someone to vote for. The post is on the front page too! So now I feel the need to compete to keep it forefront as long as possible. I know...knock myself out.

I introduced the Guess What...Chicken Butt at lunch today. Jeff was not real happy with me. The boys thought it was funny though. I may get myself into trouble if the Pastor's kids start saying "Guess What, Chicken Butt" to their friends.

Josf if voting doesn't matter, why is Romney trying to keep Goode off the ballot in Virginia? Why did they work so hard to marginalize Dr. Paul? I cannot understand the dichotomy.

Understanding Misunderstanding

"Josf if voting doesn't matter, why is Romney trying to keep Goode off the ballot in Virginia?"

Voting can be a very powerful and very contagious virus like individual act, driven by righteous purpose, or it can be a counterfeit power shunting: like digging a hole and filling the same hole back in with the dirt taken out.

Which do you think is a concern for Legal Criminals?

Proverbs 8 is a keeper!

"Yes, let Friends OF Liberty COOPERATE such that we are Friends IN Liberty!"

You listen well at the gates of wisdom for instruction, and being generous your act is to share?

Joe

A Guitar Lesson and a Lesson on Fear

You operated a CAT? You were not afraid of it, but I imagine you had a healthy respect for its power and followed certain protocols? That is a kind of fear. Not fear out of cowardice, but fear out of a healthy "respect" for both destructive and constructive power of the machine.

This Psalm teaches the Fear of the Lord: You can listen to it http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/psalms/34-audio.html
Or read it: http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/psalms/34.html

Here is the definition of fear: http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/kjv/yare.html
From Psalm 33: 8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
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This guy wrote a song and gives a little lesson on Fear of the Lord. He also talks about the cording in the song and the camera focuses on his fingers. Thought you might enjoy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YBQFhsEGo0

This is the complete song with lyrics if you are still interested in hearing more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il-bJjeiOhY
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Proverb for the 9th:
http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/proverbs/9-audio.html
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Josf, thank you for patiently answering my simplistic questions. I should have made my abc list like you told me too, and you didn't even scold me. I like to ask you questions :)

We had this verse on the 4th:

Proverbs 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

You help me understand!

Equity

On my way to Las Vegas my wife and I had a lot of time to chat and we talked about my discussion partner here on this forum.

The subject came up because she was dealing with an asset manager (middleman between a Bank and a Real Estate Broker) who was using political tactics, such as Hyperbole, Transference, Projection, Evasion, and killing the messenger, so I told her about an example of discussion, real, equitable, discussion that tends to shine brightly against the dark clouds of iniquity, where people do things like shooting the messenger because the message is unbearable.

I said it was a bad thing for me because I tolerate the machinations of political hacks less, and I offered responses to what I would have said to the ASSet Manager who claims that my wife "sounds hostile" when she defends her position relative to the property she is hired to sell efficiently.

Burning bridges?

When the bridge is made between a criminal and a victim, while equitable people are also crossing the bridge, there needs to be better judgement concerning the rash act of burning the bridge?

I want to listen back into those welcome voice recordings of Proverbs because there was a very good sentence or two concerning the concept of fearing the lord, something I may not have remembered well enough to repeat without error, so I'm going to get back on that point with a quote.

Joe

Swamped

http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/proverbs/10-audio.html

Swamped with personal stuff. But wanted to drop this by. Will talk later.

OK

Thanks

Joe

Time Away

It is so nice to be able to get away and spend time together with your spouse. Jeff and I are rarely alone together anymore now that we have the boys. I can hardly get a word in edgewise. Oh well. My dad never used to let us talk so I am glad the boys feel free to talk to their dad. Seems like all I can remember of family outings is my dad being angry. The boys are half grown, it goes by so fast.

"When the bridge is made between a criminal and a victim, while equitable people are also crossing the bridge, there needs to be better judgement concerning the rash act of burning the bridge?"

I'm sorry Vicki is having to put up with a middleman. I do not understand your statement. Is the bridge attaching the criminal to the victim? Does it give the criminal access to the victim? I remember you mentioning in the past something about buying out foreclosure properties. I don't remember exactly.

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Money connects

"Is the bridge attaching the criminal to the victim?"

Fraud money connects a few frauds to a lot of victims, it does not work if half are frauds and the other half are victims half the time, and while the frauds are connected to the victims the victims are connected to each other, and the frauds are connected to each other, because it is all one money, one bridge, so the analogy is that burning the bridge without having a fraud free replacement ready to keep the former victims connected, may not be a very good idea, depending on many things.

The connecting medium is important, the bridge is important, without it the way around may cost too much; cost as much as to the victims as a bridge connecting frauds to victims.

That was my point, it is the same point over and over again in my thinking.

Joe

Oh

Day 11 http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/proverbs/11-audio.html

I am sorry to be dense once again. My slowness made me think of the disciples. Jesus would tell a parable (an earthly story with a heavenly meaning)and the disciples (the 12 apostles) would not "get" it. They lived with Jesus day and night and followed Him everywhere and heard Him speak and saw the miracles He did...and yet, He would have to explain a parable to them.

Matthew 15:15 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable. 16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?

Yes, as you have explained from the beginning, it is the Legal Money Monopoly that is our demise. That is why we must come up with competitive forms. Yes, many victims have stores of savings in that Legal Money Monopoly and depend on it. But if we end the fed, irs, and bring the troops home, there is no reason to me that we cannot keep the bills and trade them along with other parallel currencies.

I had a fellow DP member send me a link to the song "Morning Has Broken." Scott and I are holding hands and "dancing" together each morning and smiling as we look into each other's eyes. I probably would not be doing that if you have helped me see that I need to "play" with the kids. I even sat on the couch with them for a few minutes this morning instead of starting the dishes. I take care of them, but I need to play with them more. Sometimes it is at a cost of what I want to do. You probably think it strange that I would want to do something besides play with the kids? I guess I am wired differently, but perhaps new paths and connections will begin to run parallel to the old ones and I can choose a different path as needed.

Supply a demand

"You probably think it strange that I would want to do something besides play with the kids?"

I spent a lot of years at work while the kids grew up, and then after a series of unfortunate events, leading to this state of semi-retirement, I get to play with the kids. The kids version of play and my version of play is not often the same thing, so we find an equitable definition of play, which is the point, or leads to the point, which is to connect and to compare and to adapt and to choose better from worse.

Proverbs 11 has a part in it concerning counterfeit capitalism and counterfeit conservatism and there is a possible error in lending moral and material support to counterfeit socialism and counterfeit liberalism, the point being specific to choices concerning economic decisions.

Withholding corn.

So as to jack up the price.

That is counterfeit capitalism, because withholding corn makes no CENTS if another competitive producer of corn can supply the demand created by the Monopolist who chooses to withhold the corn, so as to make corn scarce, so as to then be in a position to demand a higher price, a price that could be the limit of "that which the market can bear".

Bear.

Joe