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Just received an e-mail from Ron Paul... thoughts?

[ Also posted here: http://www.dailypaul.com/244504/did-you-get-this-where-we-st... ]

Dear James,

Just last week, I sent you an email letting you know my staff would be following up with you shortly to tell you everything you need to know about our plans for the Republican National Convention.

My staff has been busy burning up the phone lines, so many of you may have already heard from them.

But because this email is so important, I wanted it to come directly from me.

For several weeks now, I’ve been up front about the fact that Mitt Romney has obtained enough delegates to secure the Republican nomination.

That fact hasn’t changed - and it’s not going to change.

Over the past few weeks, my staff and I have researched the numbers extensively.

We’ve come to the conclusion that even if by some miracle all delegates to the Republican Convention were unbound, I would receive approximately 300 votes at the National Convention - far short of the 1,144 needed to secure the Republican nomination.

It’s also come to my attention recently that many supporters believe a win at the upcoming Nebraska State Convention this Saturday could be an important step for my campaign’s success in Tampa.

While my campaign is hoping to do as well as possible there, I can’t imagine a scenario where my goals or my plans for our R3VOLUTION in Tampa would change. They are:

*** Ensuring as many of my delegates as possible are credentialed.

There are many folks in the GOP who want my supporters to just shut up and go away, and they have resorted to every dirty trick in the book to game the system at various state conventions. You and I must ensure that as many of my supporters as possible are credentialed at the Republican National Convention.

*** Planting our flag.

Just by seeing a flood of my delegates in Tampa, you and I can respectfully send a loud and clear message that we are the future of the Republican Party. Seeing so many new and young faces at the RNC will show that despite their best efforts to maintain their iron grip over the Republican Party, our liberty movement is the future of the GOP;

*** Affecting the Platform.

By fighting for an internet freedom plank, Audit the Fed, and a plank opposing the indefinite detention of American citizens – and perhaps even opposing the so-called “PATRIOT” Act and undeclared war - you and I can prove we are a growing force in the Republican Party and perhaps convince more GOP elected officials to come our way on these critical issues;

As a National Delegate or Alternate, you’ve invested a lot of your time, talent, and hard-earned money into my campaign and our cause of liberty.

For that I am deeply grateful - and I can’t thank you enough.

I’m looking forward to going to Tampa and celebrating the success of my campaign, and more importantly, our bright future.

So if you haven’t yet done so, please CLICK HERE and register as a delegate or alternate so you can be kept up-to-date on our plans in Tampa.

And if you know of any other delegates in your state, please forward this email to them, as well.

I hope to see you in Tampa.

For Liberty,

Ron Paul



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Strip

what delegates? He doesn't have 1144 and can't get 1144. There has to be a floor vote at the convention with no bullying.

Keepin' it real.

Well, that blows

It's been a good ride, though

It was an amazingly accurate

description in that post of the Lawyer twit.

No ONe but Paul. Scared TroLLs stop at nothing

Sounds like the opposite of his speech to the delegates yesterday. Is it T or F? how to prove this??

300 delegates, on the OUTSIDE, is not enough to accomplish

anything.

You can't secure platform changes with only 13% of the delegates.

And remember, Paul thinks that is a best case scenario.

At best, you might be able to affect some parliamentary procedure here and there and second motions to challenge the chair occasionally.

That's about it.

I'm certainly not suggesting people give up, but if you think you are going to accomplish anything with those numbers, you're in fantasy land.

Either those are NOT the real numbers, or, face it, it's over.

13% is Enough if Romney is Not Hostile

And whether the Romney camp is hostile depends upon the actions of the Paul delegates - Romney and Ron Paul get along personally - seem to like and respect each other as people if they don't agree on all the issues - if Ron Paul's delegates get nasty towards Romney he will move to shut down debate at every turn which is what anyone with 80-85% of the delegates would do in that situation. If, however, the Ron Paul delegates realize that the game is over on the nomination of Ron Paul they might be able to accomplish a great deal on the platform and on policy. I could even envision Romney granting Ron Paul a speaking spot regardless of whether the 5 state plurality was reached - this all depends upon the Ron Paul delegates - make it nasty and the RNC will shut down formal debate and earn the permanent hostility of the Republican Party which will make the hard work at the conventions utterly meaningless because the movement will be wounded by the lack of an intelligent end game for this campaign. Ron Paul has an end game - that is obvious - do his supporters have the wisdom to follow him at this critical stage - I have my doubts.

If you have 87% of the delegates, there is little reason to

give concessions to the other 13% on anything.

If we only have 300 delegates, Romney doesn't need us at all. He knows that when push comes to shove and the election draws near, that the vast majority of Ron Paul supporters will either vote for him or Obama. And he knows that if those former Paul supporters were, or are, Republicans, that they will vote for him to "prevent" Obama from winning as a "lesser of two evils" "wasted vote" syndrome effect.

Regardless, even if Paul does manage to get his platform changes in, they are meaningless. Our government doesn't give a rat's ass about the Supreme Law of the Land they swear to "preserve protect and defend." What makes anyone think they give even a smidgen of care about a party platform? The platform already disagrees with Mitt Romney. But he'll be the nominee anyway. Platforms are useless. They are ignored without consequence. Just like our Constitution.

Face it. The world is a place where thugs rule.

You have an ace to play

The ace of the RP campaign is the implied threat to get nasty and disrupt the convention - this will keep Romney conducive to working with Ron Paul - that plus his personal good relationship with RP - but once you actually go negative and nasty the card has been played and then the 87% will move to silence the 13% - doesn't anyone think strategically in here - must every single issue be let's die on this hill - it is our way or we will just go our way - it seems like modern-day kamikaze political tactics to me which we know didn't work out too well for the Japanese. You can still win something if you play your cards right.

You just argued against yourself.

If Romney has 87%, and of course, he knows this, then he will not grant concessions.

This is because the "ace" you speak of is not playable. If played, it fails. Thus, there is no "win" for Ron Paul anywhere.

Romney doesn't have to get his delegates to agree to anything the Paul people want, and they don't have to, even under threat of disrupting the coronation, because that disruption won't happen. It won't happen, because as you noted, it is going to fail and backfire.

If Paul really wants to get something out of all of this, and make anything of a "win" out of it, he will NOT disrupt the convention. You've already noted, that is a losing proposition - he will get nothing.

But since that means any threat of disruption is empty and has no teeth, then it can be safely ignored, and the Romney delegates can ignore the Paul delegates entirely.

You had it right, you just didn't think through the next move and the logical conclusions of what you wrote.

And as noted, even IF by some chance, "just because" Romney decided to grant Paul folks some platform changes, that would not be a "win" in ANY shape of form. Because any such changes are without meaning or teeth to accomplish anything. It would be an entirely vacuous accomplishment, which is to say, it is none at all. Neither Romney, nor anyone else not in the Paul camp, gives two hoots about the platform.

I'm sure they're laughing over that one back at Romney HQ. "That's ALL Paul wants? HAHAHAHAHA!! Sure! Give it to him. Who cares?"

Either way you slice it, Paul should know better. Either he is downplaying his real numbers, or it's over for real.

The truth is...nobody knows

The truth is...nobody knows what is going to happen at the convention. Keep on keeping on! Go for it Patriots!

Blind and Naive...

I see a plethora of both represented in the comments on this and other threads. Sad, really.

People who are so caught up in a long-shot political campaign and so enamored with an individual that they refuse to exercise some simple cognitive reasoning and assessment of what is happening, well, I see many who are soon to be rudderless and disillusioned when Dr. Paul folds his tent and goes home.

Unfortunately, I believe that this is exactly what makes up a large chunk of the vaunted 'young people' who are so often lauded by Dr. Paul.

The fight for Liberty did not begin with Dr. Paul and it certainly will not end now that his POTUS run is over and he folds up his tent and goes home.

For you youngsters, the thing to keep in focus and the thing to use as an absolute yardstick for all your future support and for viewing/assessing government actions, is the 'Constitution', the 'Ethic of Individualism' and the 'Principles of Individual Liberty'. Know what Collectivism is, how to identify it and from whom and whence it manifests. Oppose it and those who advance it, on every front. This road is not easy to travel and it is most often filled with resistance, derision, ridicule and pressure from nearly everyone around you. It is also fraught with a sense of loneliness for holding to these beliefs and principles.

For me, I woke up after Ronald Reagan betrayed those principles and I have walked the road ever since. I have grown hard, I have grown calloused and I have grown blunt and intolerant, unapologetically, but I have grown and I have stayed true to my ethic, beliefs and personal integrity.

As this fight goes on, I and those like me will continue, but we near the last laps. I count on some of you to harden up, grow serious and unwavering and to take the offensive, rather than the 'path of civility and decorum'. In my eyes, nothing else has any hope to restore the republic. Look to the fiery-rhetoric and fiery-writings of our founding. A bushfire must be sparked and civility and decorum be damned, says Ol' El-Tee.

The end-game is fast approaching and despite Dr. Paul's hopes, wishes and desires for civility and a change from within, it simply isn't gonna happen that way. There is no time for it. In this, he is wrong.

Ruck up boys and girls, the fandango is going to go hot at some point. It is inevitable.

I close with a truism...'Collectivism inevitably leads to totalitarianism'.

Hat's off to you

Now listen up peeps. You have to read this.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/48038

Condoleezza Rice: “It is time for all of us, in any way we can, to mobilize, get our act together, and storm Washington D.C.”
Time to Storm Obama and Washington D.C.?
- Sher Zieve Friday, July 13, 2012
I am in extremely fine company. On 18 June 2012, I wrote in my column “Obama Dictatorship Now Overtly Lawless…Congress Largely Yawns”: “We have almost completely lost our country to the Marxist/Islamic ruler currently ensconced in OUR White House, folks.

It’s inordinately clear that Congress will do nothing. Only We-the-People can stop this. Isn’t it time for a REAL Million Patriot + march on Washington D.C.? If we don’t take back our country no one else will…no one. Obama and his illegal government are now completely criminal and, apparently, in total control of us all.”

Now recently, during a rousing speech given to donors at a Romney campaign event in Park City, Utah, former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said: “It is a narrative that is being pushed by our current president, that ‘I’m doing poorly because you’re doing well,’” she said. “That has never been the American narrative. Ours has never been a narrative of aggrievement and ours has never been a narrative of entitlement. It is time for all of us, in any way we can, to mobilize, get our act together, and storm Washington D.C.”

It appears that many Republican leaders who, in the past, have not come out in any partisan manner have now realized the extreme jeopardy that comprises the current state of our country. Multitudes of Americans are also, more each and every day, now aware of the dire straits the Obama syndicate has forcefully pushed us all into and are determined to stop the totalitarian onslaught. Obama and his cabal have summarily gutted the US Treasury—with ObamaFriend Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner’s assistance—and made tremendous progress into destroying every uniquely American institution that still exists.

There is lots more to this article. Please send viral.
It's time to revise and revamp. It's up to the youth to take this country back. Do it NOW!

Keepin' it real.

I don't know if this is the real thing

But it could be and it reflects a reality - I think that Ron Paul would like to accomplish as much in Tampa as possible - not for himself but rather for his movement and for the country - I don't think that he cares as much about being President as he does about changing the direction of the country. He has used the word "respectful" many, many times to explain how he wants his delegates to act in Tampa - not embittered and irrational but rather cogent and focused on presenting the libertarian principles and getting the majority of delegates to accept as much of the libertarian philosophy and ideals as possible. This can still be a win situation but not if everyone refuses to listen to the man who inspired the movement.

northstar's picture

It's real

Michael said so. I just don't like the idea that just because it was posted somewhere else on the net, that it has to be here as well. The email was sent to specific people and that bothers me a lot. It means to me, it's not for the public. I will no longer comment with my thoughts about it anymore.

I never recieved the email myself.

Real eyes realize real lies

We want our country back

Every year is a year for Ron Paul!

People need to get it through

People need to get it through their head that this email is FROM RON PAUL.

You may not like it, but the delusional Pollyanna mood of the comments on this site lately that everything is a 'conspiracy' and everyone is an 'infiltrator' makes DP look SILLY as of late.

It REALLY gives an impression of cult like mentality and it's NOT COOL.

People need to snap out of it become rational humans here or forever lose any dignity to outside viewers and/or other members.

Friend to Minarchists, AnCaps, Voluntaryists, Agorists, Constitutionalists, Libertarians, Paul Supporters, Free Marketeers, Jeffersonians, Status Quo Buckers, and Ron Paul Fans.

Pax Libertas. Semper Veritas. Semper Res Publica.

You must on be a "special" mailing list.

No one else I know has received it and it is not consistent with Ron Paul's public comments.

LIBERTY2ME's picture

reason why I think this is bs...

Either I believe an email that want to someone I don't know and not sure of exactly who it is frorm. Or....I believe the phone call that came through just yesterday from RP himself to the NE convention. I choose to believe what I actually hear RP say rather than some, possible, 3 rd part email.

Who in the campaign comfirmed this

Not giving this information is hidding the news under the rug Michael.

Michael Nystrom's picture

Sorry

I'm not going to reveal my source. Source didn't want to be revealed, so there is no way I'm going to break that promise.

He's the man.

OMG did you just say that?

So if Ron Paul wrote that, why the source wants to be anonymous? Am I missing something here?

Michael Nystrom's picture

Yes, I did just say that.

Yes, I did just say that. What you are missing, though I said it, is that my source wanted his name left out of it. And I promised I would not reveal it.

He's the man.

Michael

Do u still smoke cigs?

Michael Nystrom's picture

p.s.

Please do me a favor. If you really want to confirm it for yourself, call the campaign and ask them yourself.

He's the man.

I did

and left a message requesting a member of the campaign to call me and confirm. I also asked for the person to call to give me the name and request for Ron Paul himself to address the issue here with a video or update his website with this news.

I don't like it either. But, some things

wouldn't be known at all if everyone decided to betray the trust placed in them.

Bottom line, it's Michael's call. Not mine, not yours. We don't have to like it. Just accept it or move on.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

I agee, we should remove this post from the front page!

This doesn't help. Please remove this post off the front page. The majority here feel the same. So far a minus 76 likes for this article.

"The Price Of Freedom Is Eternal Vigilance."
Thomas Jefferson

northstar's picture

Michael, if this email is private just for delegates

...then why is it posted for public consumption here?

This is really wrong. I can't believe this is allowed.

Your response:
http://www.dailypaul.com/244500#comment-2616653

Real eyes realize real lies

We want our country back

Every year is a year for Ron Paul!

Michael Nystrom's picture

Northstar, this is a news site

And the information contained herein is relevant to all of us, whether we are delegates or not. This helps people understand where the campaign stands and what its goals are. Clearly people don't like the message it contains.

However, you can't stop the news. It was posted at least twice by delegates on this site. It was posted on the Ron Paul Forums, and on Lew Rockwell.

Do you expect me to sit here all day and delete all instances that will continue to show up, if this particular post is deleted? That would be useless, like trying to hold up a wall of sand. And I've got better things to do on a Saturday.

While you may think this is wrong, I disagree. It is news, and it is useful for delegates and supporters to help make up their minds as to how to proceed from here.

He's the man.
northstar's picture

I'm on a lot of email lists

I never recieved it, so that is why I am to believe it was meant for delegate eyes only.

Real eyes realize real lies

We want our country back

Every year is a year for Ron Paul!

Do You Think Ron Paul is a Manipulator?

That he would secretly tell his delegates that the game is over but want them to keep it secret because the poor idiots out there working and sweating and spending their money and time don't deserve to know the truth because if they do they may back off? That would be despicable beyond comprehension and all his followers should hate him for it but this is not what likely happened here - he sent the email with the full understanding that the contents would be widely dispersed and commented on - Ron Paul is not a manipulator - he just wasn't able to pull it off so he is letting people know that the game is up. All the state conventions, all the primaries, all the caucuses are over - the delegates are chosen and there are not enough to upset the band wagon in Tampa - digest it and go forward with the rest of your life.