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Just received an e-mail from Ron Paul... thoughts?

[ Also posted here: http://www.dailypaul.com/244504/did-you-get-this-where-we-st... ]

Dear James,

Just last week, I sent you an email letting you know my staff would be following up with you shortly to tell you everything you need to know about our plans for the Republican National Convention.

My staff has been busy burning up the phone lines, so many of you may have already heard from them.

But because this email is so important, I wanted it to come directly from me.

For several weeks now, I’ve been up front about the fact that Mitt Romney has obtained enough delegates to secure the Republican nomination.

That fact hasn’t changed - and it’s not going to change.

Over the past few weeks, my staff and I have researched the numbers extensively.

We’ve come to the conclusion that even if by some miracle all delegates to the Republican Convention were unbound, I would receive approximately 300 votes at the National Convention - far short of the 1,144 needed to secure the Republican nomination.

It’s also come to my attention recently that many supporters believe a win at the upcoming Nebraska State Convention this Saturday could be an important step for my campaign’s success in Tampa.

While my campaign is hoping to do as well as possible there, I can’t imagine a scenario where my goals or my plans for our R3VOLUTION in Tampa would change. They are:

*** Ensuring as many of my delegates as possible are credentialed.

There are many folks in the GOP who want my supporters to just shut up and go away, and they have resorted to every dirty trick in the book to game the system at various state conventions. You and I must ensure that as many of my supporters as possible are credentialed at the Republican National Convention.

*** Planting our flag.

Just by seeing a flood of my delegates in Tampa, you and I can respectfully send a loud and clear message that we are the future of the Republican Party. Seeing so many new and young faces at the RNC will show that despite their best efforts to maintain their iron grip over the Republican Party, our liberty movement is the future of the GOP;

*** Affecting the Platform.

By fighting for an internet freedom plank, Audit the Fed, and a plank opposing the indefinite detention of American citizens – and perhaps even opposing the so-called “PATRIOT” Act and undeclared war - you and I can prove we are a growing force in the Republican Party and perhaps convince more GOP elected officials to come our way on these critical issues;

As a National Delegate or Alternate, you’ve invested a lot of your time, talent, and hard-earned money into my campaign and our cause of liberty.

For that I am deeply grateful - and I can’t thank you enough.

I’m looking forward to going to Tampa and celebrating the success of my campaign, and more importantly, our bright future.

So if you haven’t yet done so, please CLICK HERE and register as a delegate or alternate so you can be kept up-to-date on our plans in Tampa.

And if you know of any other delegates in your state, please forward this email to them, as well.

I hope to see you in Tampa.

For Liberty,

Ron Paul

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Hmmm!

How easily some people call for censorship!

LittleWing's picture

Michael wants it here

because "It is Big News" and "It is from Ron Paul". see: http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2617207
Ultimately it is Michaels call, so here it remains.

IMO it IS big news.. big, demoralizing, divisive and inappropriate for front page and with all the negative votes. I don't see any real proof that this was from Ron Paul himself or even from the campaign.

At the end of the letter it says "If you know of any other delegates please pass this on." Huh? Don't they have a delegate list? Where did they get the names to send the email to? Even if it was from the campaign, it's not the first time they have displayed poor and questionable judgement in the timing and wording of their emails.

If Wars Can Be Started by Lies, They Can Be Stopped By Truth.

Michael Nystrom's picture

The fact that it is demoralizing is not my problem

I didn't write it; I didn't send it out, and I'm not going to sweep it under the rug.

Demoralizing or not, the campaign wants this information out.

The campaign does not want a scene at the convention. They don't want rowdy supporters stepping out of line, trying to nominate Ron Paul. They want supporters to wake up the fact that it is not going to happen.

What is so hard for people to understand about this? The letter may be addressed to delegates, but it is intended for all of us. It is a continuation of Operation Cold Water, which began in mid May, and the message is simply this: Cool it.

Yes, it is bad news for the true believers, but hiding it doesn't change reality. Should I take the news down because people don't want to hear it? It would only just reappear anyway. It is already on the Forums and Lew Rockwell. Can you hide information in this information age? No.

That's all I have to say on this. I'm done with the gymnastics and acrobatics trying to defend the campaign, and I'm disappointed like everyone else.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

Sorry to say this

but it seems you have been sold for the future Rand/Benson political games. RP is old, he is near the end politicaly. On the other hand, a man need to buy a food to survive, right?

I can understand this (most of us will do the same, it is pragmatic thinking, nothing bad) but cannot understand some naive explanations to cover this up.

After all, what is wrong with been ungry on establishment/government that kills people all around world and is planning to do the same on its own soil?.

"it is not going to happen"

... is defeatist, demoralizing, and totally lacking vision or hope. Thanks a lot, RP campaign... is this why I worked so hard and donated money I didn't have? So you could pay Jesse Benton's ridiculous salary? So you could just cave-in to the establishment pukes? So you could ruin any and all chances for an upset? So you could wait until a powerful third-party run with Governor Ventura is no longer a possibility? You have let me down Ron. I'm sorry but I cannot stand for this shit anymore. We The People have run out of patience for the corrupt disgusting two-party monopoly. I for one will be leaving the GOP for good right after Tampa never to return again. Nor will I EVER return to the Democratic party.

Mad as hell in Colorado

Trust Ron Paul.

Peace

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jz4Maine

Could you post the header? State GOP heads are sending out fake stuff now.

I am surprised

That this post is in the front page. This is a clever attempt to demoralize before a convention. Typical phsyops. Certain people within the campaign are working against us, release this statement, before a convention? Michael confirms to be true. Notice he didn't say Ron Paul himself is involved, just the campaign. Michael who in the campaign you talked to? We might want to know in order to find out what is the truth.

Michael Nystrom's picture

Ron Paul IS the campaign

This is a clever attempt to demoralize before a convention. Typical phsyops.

I can't disagree with you.

Certain people within the campaign are working against us, release this statement, before a convention? Michael confirms to be true. Notice he didn't say Ron Paul himself is involved, just the campaign.

While I once believed that to be true, I have since changed my thinking. Seriously, how ridiculous would that be. That people within the campaign are working against us without Ron Paul's knowledge. Ron Paul sees everything we see. His signature is on this email. Of course he is involved.

I talked to people that I trust, and obviously I'm not going to print their name(s) here.

The conclusion I came to from that conversation is that this is the information that the campaign wants supporters to know.

I'm sorry, but I really can't do anything about the fact that people don't like it. I don't like it either.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

I think RP had a plan but it fell apart

I think that his plan was to compete as he did for as many delegates as possible in states where delegates were chosen in conventions or caucuses - this allowed him to apply the full force of his energized base to get as many delegates as possible but the problem with this strategy is not only the binding issue it is the fact that more delegates are chosen at primaries with slates of delegates linked to candidates based upon the primary results. These are huge states like New York, California, Florida, Illinois, Ohio, Wisconsin with large delegate allocations - the math just didn't allow Ron Paul's strategy to work if he couldn't do better on primary nights.

I believe that he was banking on Santorum and Gingrich hanging in there longer to compete against Romney in primary states - Santorum would have won Texas very easily for example - and thus hold Romney under 1144 delegates - then we would have had a brokered convention and the delegates won at the conventions and caucuses for RP would have been a powerful force. My question though is why did he continue to push his supporters to spend so much time and energy in chasing delegates when he knew after Santorum quit that the game was up.

My question now becomes was RP ever in it to win it?

If Romney gets indicted for financial crimes and Obama is disqualified or even it he's not...is RP indicating he would not under any circumstances become the nominee? Would Newt or Santorum un-suspend their campaign and become the nominee?

I'm too diehard to ever give up...hell, I've come this far I'm riding all the way into the side of the mountain if that's where this train is headed but I have wondered for years why TPTB would have allowed someone with such opposite views from theirs to remain in the halls of congress for 30+ years unless they thought that person could be useful to them at some point.

I'm not saying RP is working in concert with them...hardly...what I'm postulating is that TPTB knew the day would come when the dollar would die and they would have to somewhow deal with the fallout.

Having someone the people could rally behind during the years closing in on the collapse would be extremely helpful to the State as they got all their ducks in a row, took the pulse of public opinion, and created a virtual police state to deal with all "eventualities".

These are just my thoughts...with emotions on this site as volitile as the NYSE right now...I can't even guess if I will be blasted for my thoughts or if poeple will respond intelligently. And...like many, at this point I don't really care. I learn as much from getting a bunch of negitive votes and I do getting positive votes.

Whatever...

Cheers,

go

This is from Ron Paul

He probably didn't sit at a computer and type it out, but he told his campaign what to say, they wrote it up, and he approved every word. They're not trying to demoralize you. They are probably just frustrated that they've been trying to say for months that he is not going to win the nomination but far too many people refuse to accept that. They have specific goals they want to accomplish at the convention that are doable given the number of delegates they know they will have. They want all the delegates to be on the same page strategically, and if delegates go into the convention thinking he is going to be the nominee, then they decidedly will not be united, and will probably hurt their chances of accomplishing much.

Someone help me out here

Whether this email is genuine or not, Doesn't Ron Paul still have a shot to be dual nominee if he wins Nebraska? Or is 300 plus delegates not enough?

Conscience does not exist if not exercised

"No matter how cynical you get, it's impossible to keep up!
---Lily Tomlin

Winning Nebraska = He is on

Winning Nebraska = He is on the ballot
Only 300 Delegates = He still loses

It would take a miracle ...

But those have been known to happen from time to time.

I know we live in different times and conventions are more like coronations today, but I always find inspiration in history.

The nomination of James Garfield is an interesting story.

He was not nominated and received zero votes in the first round.

But he ended up becoming nominated in the (I think) third round and went on to win the nomination and the presidency.

God Bless.

LIBERTY2ME's picture

K, in the call from yesterday

K, in the call from yesterday he says that romney and rnc are scared and that you never know we could win. This is the ncomplete opposite. Why doesn't someone call the campaign and ask? then DP should remove this from the site. Why is it still up?

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Benton probably wrote this.

Benton probably wrote this himself. lol I usually get all emails from RP compaign but not this one. The last one I got was entitled "On the Verge of History".

FAKE FAKE FAKE

His Skype message to Nebraska delegates is genuine, this e-mail is plain and simple fake. Maybe his stuff did it but definitely not RP. Not his tone, not his wording and phrasing, not his energy, not his message ...

I don't understand why the

I don't understand why the above post is getting thumb down!

Seriously, it's been verified. Please stop

(unintentionally, I will assume) spreading more paranoia.

We do not have enough delegates to win Ron Paul the nomination. We would, however, still like to get his name placed into nomination. 300 delegates are those people who would be eligible to vote for Ron Paul if he were a nominee.

Yes, we will have many, many more delegates there who support Ron Paul, but per RNC rules, they have to vote for Mitt Romney in the first round of voting. Just like Santorum delegates have to vote for Santorum (even though he's not in the race any longer), and Newt delegates have to vote for Newt. If Romney didn't reach the magic nomiation # by some chance in that first round, then the delegates would become unbound and could vote for whomever they chose. That isn't likely going to happen (unless there is some unforseen "miracle" that pops up).

We still need delegates there though. We want Ron Paul to hopefully at least be placed into nomination (even though he likely won't be elected), because if he is placed into nomination, he gets a speaking spot. We want him to have a speaking spot. That's prime time for reaching millions more Americans who have never heard his message before.

I'm not lying. I'm not being negative. I am simply stating exactly what has come from the campaign themselves since before the state convention in Iowa. I am an Iowa delegate, and yes, this is accurate information (despite what people want to speculate). We got the exact same email, from verified Ron Paul campaign workers (whom we have been working side-by-side with since 2008) with the exact same information. We were told to keep it quiet for the very reason that people would lose their fight and will to keep going, and all of the paranoid skeptism you see posted throughout this thread.

Don't get discouraged. We are fighting the good fight, and it isn't over.

ln

^^Troll #2 alert.

^^Troll #2 alert.

Oh go jump in a lake. This

Oh go jump in a lake. This guy is part of the Iowa team that *took over the entire state* while you were busy calling people trolls on the interwebz. At least respect him for his success on the state level. Iowa will be more free because of them.

No you go jump in a lake

when he stated

"Yes, we will have many, many more delegates there who support Ron Paul, but per RNC rules, they have to vote for Mitt Romney in the first round of voting"

He doesn't inspire any confidence when the RNC does not consider delegates bound by States but considers them free agents to vote for whoever they please on any round.

US 42 1971 Voting Rights Act is explicit about coercion of any kind.

This whole election process has been the filthiest,most crooked theft of the only candidate that could have staved off the death of around 200,000,000 people in this country. You don't think it's going to happen? Just wait to see the chaos and bloodletting that is going to result when the dollar collapses.

The feds,dhs,military from around the world are already here do do the final cleanup when it starts. 98% have no clue what is coming. I just talked to a Senatorial candidate that is in close contact with the local police and it is coming. Matter of fact it's all they are preparing for is the collapse is what I was told yesterday.

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

We've had bad experiences with some Iowa delegates from 2008

So forgive our doubting this.

Wrong

Letter says there are 300 delegates alltogether, bound and unbound. RP was never playing with the numbers, and would never never discourage the followers. Therefore, thisis not his handwriting but someone from campaign. Compare this letter to his yesterdays speach to Nebraska delegates and see a hughe difference in wording and tone

Yes, 300 who are eligible to vote for him.

If you are a Ron Paul delegate and are bound, but Mitt Romney won your primary, you must vote for Mitt Romney. If you are a Ron Paul delegate and are unbound (as I am in in Iowa) you can vote for whomever you want - Ron Paul. We have about 300 bound/unbound delegates who are eligible to vote for Ron Paul (ie..they are either unbound or are bound and are in a state that Ron Paul outright won per that states rules). You are spreading misinformation. This email is legit.

ln

You are wrong on this. Read

You are wrong on this. Read the email again. I thought we had 300 unbound, and then 300 or so "stealth" delegates bound for Romney (as I am). FYI: My understanding is that RP only has 3 bound delegates from VA? But I could be wrong about this?

Ron Paul may be underestimating slightly

But the numbers also aren't as high as you are hoping. He has fewer than 150 delegates who are bound to Romney. He has some that are bound to him and some that are unbound but support him. Combined the number might be a little over 400, even if delegates are unbound. One reason he might be estimating lower than that is that some of the delegates bound to Romney have also made verbal or other commitments in their states to their delegations that they would vote for Romney, and may do so even if officially unbound because they want to keep their word.

I received this email too.

I received this email too. If Ron Paul only has 300 delegates, there is absolutely no point in going to Tampa. I would happily go there and do my part if there were a chance we could get RP nominated or even get Rand a VP spot, but going to Tampa is *very* expensive and requires me to leave work for over a week.

I simply cannot justify doing so if we aren't going to actually be able to "do" anything of value.

We tried our best, and we came up short.