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They Created The 14th Amendment To "Exempt Themselves" From The Slavery They Were About To Impose On Us: BINGO!

Get a glass of iced tea and LISTEN TO THIS!

The 14th Amendment was for THEM, not you and I, and Rod breaks it down for you very nicely with Congressional Documentation to back up his statements.

Rod Class explains how they created the 14th Amendment, so they would be exempt from the slavery they wished to enforce on us; had absolutely nothing to do with freeing black folks; it was meant to separate them (politician scum) from us.

How the Alien Registration Act of 1933 was the birth of the STRAW-MAN aka Certificate of Live Birth aka legal fiction, presumption of law NAME;

How they made a separation between the natural person and the fiction;

How the Federal Reserve Act actually created 12 Credit Corporations, not Banks;

How the Federal Reserve Notes are not meant for us to use; it's an "Internal Currency" only, and that's why it does not need to be backed by gold;

The McFadden or Linburgh speech about the Scottish Distiller that could sell whiskey to a Bootlegger, and all he had to do was sign the note, and that signature is what creates more notes;

The 14th Amendment was for "THEM" - To create a "Federal Citizen" to separate THEM from US.

Everyone thinks it was to create a Federal citizen out of US, but it was for THEM; had absolutely nothing to do with you and I, and still does not today.

One heck of a good private call from Rod:

Scroll down to Episode 598 on May 25, 2012 ... it's only 54 min. long:

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=4...

Listen to the other shows above that one as well, good stuff!

And remember; the word "person(s)" is mentioned several times in the 14th Amendment, and what have we learned about that word?

http://www.freedom-school.com/office-of-the-person.pdf




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I wouldn't ever agree with you there

I know from experience, my friend.

If you are going to play with a Lion, you better go in more than prepared. Better wear a wire and a backup plan.

The way I would approach any of the situation, is to never go in the court at all except to record things anonymously with no previous intent. Do not lead anyone to believe anything about it, and do not return. Present that evidence to your Jury and charge the frauds with treason, that is the only way any of us will get out of this anyway. Charge the system with crimes.

What are those questions?

I setup a series of questions that are designed to have them answer seemingly benign obvious answers in a series where say the 3rd question will directly conflict the first question they already answered and the 4th question will directly conflict the 2nd question and so on.

So, what are those questions? If they work as you say a lot of people would benefit from knowing them.

I agree

I have plans to develop an extensive software app that has templates for doing this on a mass asymmetric scale with the explicit intent of upholding the law and consciously controlling and protecting precedent in masse. I call this "Liberty Guardian" and I own the domain LibertyGuardian.com that will eventually provide this app. The planned app is much more extensive than just these templates but this was the founding concept. Other tools include criminal case templates, intelligence dossiers centralized and consolidated of identified criminals, mapping of criminal tyrants with auto warnings autopopulated according to geographic location, liberty bell networks for automatic response of entire groups of people to respond to specified locations of people subject to tyranny in real time and much much more. A prime goal for the app is tohave voice recognition so that the app itself could carry out the templates without the man/woman saying anything.

The questions are numerous and are dependent upon the scenario one is in. It is also disadvantageous to reveal the full extent of the questions at this point because this would enable them to train themselves to subvert with legally targeted trained responses. It is much better to develop an extensive library too large for them to properly train their idiotic tyrants to subvert and then reveal this in a formal way. I hope you can understand my unwillingness to share publicly at this time.

We could have an offline discussion on this subject. I am sure many are going think I am FOS for not revealing this here but I have a library of case files and recordings from court where I have won using these techniques.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

So post just one

I am sure many are going think I am FOS for not revealing this here but I have a library of case files and recordings from court where I have won using these techniques.

So post just one of those recordings, and then it won't just look like you're FOS.

I will do this at the earliest possible time

I am currently visiting family in Florida and will be back home soon. I will look into doing this in an anonymous way at the soonest possible time.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

I agree

Although I think it's an important argument, I think our priorities should be concentrated elsewhere I.E. ending the Fed, ending ME occupation, taking money out of politics, making term limits less than 6 years, etc.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

All other causes are moot as

All other causes are moot as a 14th Amendment federal citizen. If you know the law, then you know that a US citizen doesn't have standing to question the debt imposed upon him, nor any other action, constitutional or not, taken by his "elected" rulers.

I don't know how many times it must be said, but US citizens were NOT the Peoples of the States that ratified the Constitution FOR the [U]nited States. They do NOT form the sovereign corpus of any body politic or state, and as far as the Union is conserned, they are NOT members of any of the 50 de jure States that form it.

The evil that is the 14th Amendment, if you are a citizen by virtue of it, is that it states the presumption that your nationality is NOT that of the de jure State in which you were born, but rather that of a federal territory OUTSIDE the union: The District of Columbia. It is a presumption must be publicly refuted if one wishes not to be bound by it.

Bluntly, US citizens are not part of the American Union of Republics as garanteed only to States IN the Union by Article 4, Section 4 of the Constitution. The 14th Amendment establishes that only US citizens can vote, NOT State Nationals. If only US citizens can vote, but they are NOT members of the de jure States' bodies politic, they are therfore insergents rebelling against their nations of origin... So says the 14th Amendment which makes prevision for the punishment of that crime. A crime for which we are witnessing the execution of punishment ever more keenly each day.

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

We've gone over the strawman

argument many-a-time here at the DP. There is no firm/lawyer/judge out there to challenge or repeal this.

Civil disobedience only works if a majority of people participate.

Nullification only works if a populace/jury is educated on the matter.

Recall elections can be struck down and have in recent times.

I'm all for "lifting the tryanny," but MORE must be educated and MORE must believe that this will work.

I just don't see that right now.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

YOUR STRAWMAN ain't you

Try this simple real-world experiment:

Try to get checks printed up by your "neighborhood" FDIC fiat-currency bank with your name printed in normal Capitalization :

John Q. Public

report your results here

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I'll be downvoted for sure on

I'll be downvoted for sure on this, but I don't buy the strawman argument. Oh, I did for some time, but then I realized that "contract" has to have a meeting of the minds and an agreed to exchange by parties of age. None of these "contract" terms are met with this supposed "strawman" creation. I did not sign any contract. I did not get any exchange, and I sure did not agree to any terms having been just born!!

Another thing is that I was born in 1952 and my birth certificate is typewritten and my name is shown in proper capitalization. Now what?

The "Strawman" is a dead end

The "Strawman" is a dead end argument because it provides no legitimate remedy. For if you try to manipulate the strawman or eliminate it, you are still left with the voluntary status of US (Federal) citizenship, and you most likely had to bend or breake some obscure federal Statute or beauracratic regulation to achieve your goal. But even if you didn't, your federal citizen status remains and you are still a federal subject who is liable for all the federal and state laws that relate to persons or individuals.

The cage IS federal citizenship created by the 14th Amendment. It IS that simple.

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

Out of curiousity ...

do you subscribe to intellectual property and if so do you self identify using your own ideas or the ideas of others?

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I do not subscribe to

I do not subscribe to intellectual property. I use my ideas and I co-opt the ideas of others when they make sense to me...

Presumption...

... is when the crooked courts "assume" you know what you're stepping in

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Thanks, bookmarked for later

Thanks, bookmarked for later

“Give a man a gun, he can rob a bank. Give a man a central bank, and he can rob a country and the world.”
www.dailypaul.com/donate

Here is a website with much related

documentation on sovereign American citizenship vs. US citizenship as well as illegal debt.

This group has been actively researching this period of deception for two years. I'm sure they would greatly appreciate your insights.

They have weekly nationwide teleconferences and are always looking for people who have expertise in this area. It's a big team effort to dig this stuff out.

http://www.republicoftheunitedstates.org/

Interesting stuff, but...

Interesting stuff, but led by control freaks. Learned first-hand, was a part, but when I stood for constitutional issues, I was ridiculed, isolated and black-balled. They wouldn't even talk to me. It was their way or the highway! Good riddance!

They are not legitimate. Patriot myths galore with this group. But a lot of truths at the same time.

Frustrating!

Freedom is the ability to do what you want to do.
Liberty is the ability to do what you ought to do.
"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17

The kernel of thuth that is

The kernel of thuth that is the premise for the "Republic's" existence was lifted from The Red Amendment (link below). Most everything else is cobbled together "patriot" inconsistant nonsense that will ultimately lead people who follow it in to trouble. PAC has been around for 14 years and has a proven record. Members have been studing law for 20 years or more.

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

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The period called

The period called Reconstruction was no less insidious then the actual War itself, it was just as destructive, if not more so because it drastically changed the entire structure of the government of the United States and the proper relationship between the federal and State governments.

The actions of the Radicals was almost thwarted when New Jersey, Ohio and Oregon rescinded their former ratification of the 14th Amendment, or course this was ignored and each of those States were counted as ratifying the amendment, contrary to the will of the People of those States, contrary to the Consent of the People of those States.

Now, a very interesting point concerning the ratification of the 14th Amendment and the expansion of federal control and national citizenship, is that initially the votes came in as 22 votes yes and 12 votes no and 3 not voting there were 28 votes needed to ratify the Amendment. With the defeat of the Amendment the Northern Unionist Congress members changed rules to ensure passage by declaring the Southern States remained outside the Union, to deny majority rule in the Southern States by the disfranchisement of large voting blocks of voters. Then to put the icing on the cake, they required all the Southern States to ratify the Amendment in other to be allowed back into the Union. So, in 1861 the North refused to allow the South to leave the Union and in 1867 it essentially refused it rejoin the Union.

The most amazing, most revealing and one of the most important pieces of Legislation to ever come out of a State came from a Northern State after the War. Suddenly, it appears they realized what the goals of Lincoln and his followers had done.

The Joint Resolution, No.1 of the State of New Jersey on the Rescission of the 14th Amendment had some harsh words for those who sought to continue Lincoln's usurpation of the Constitutional government.

In the Rescission, the Resolution states:

"The Legislature of the State of New Jersey having seriously and deliberately considered the present situation of the United States do declare and make known:

"That it being necessary, by the Constitution, that every amendment to the same should be proposed by two-thirds of both Houses of Congress, the authors of the said proposition, for the purpose of securing the assent of the requisite majority, determined to, and did, exclude from the said two Houses eighty Representatives from eleven States of the Union, upon the pretense that there were no such States in the Union; but, finding that two-thirds of the remainder of said Houses could not be brought to assent to the said proposition, they deliberately formed and carried out the design of mutilating the integrity of the United States Senate, and without any pretext or justification, other than the possession of power, without the right, and in palpable violation of the Constitution, ejected a member of their own body, representing this State, and thus practically denied to New Jersey its equal suffrage in the Senate, and thereby nominally secured the vote of two-thirds of the said House."

As you can see, the Radical and Totally Dishonest Policies of Lincoln were still wielding the usurping hand of good "ole honest Abe".

It goes on to say:

"The objective of dismembering the highest Representative Assembly in the nation, and humiliating a State of the Union, faithful at all times to all its obligations, and the object of said amendments were one to place new and unheard of powers in the hands of a faction, that it might absorb to itself all Executive, Judicial and Legislative POWER, NECESSARY TO SECURE TO ITSELF IMMUNITY FOR THE UNCONSTITUTIONAL ACTS IT HAD ALREADY COMMITTED, AND THOSE IT HAS SINCE INFLICTED ON A TOO PATIENT PEOPLE.

The subsequent usurpations of these once national assemblies in passing pretended laws for the establishment, in ten States, of martial law, which is nothing but the will of the military commander, and therefore inconsistent with the very nature of all law, FOR THE PURPOSE OF REDUCING TO SLAVERY MEN OF THEIR OWN RACE IN THOSE STATES, OR COMPELLING THEM, CONTRARY TO THEIR OWN CONVICTIONS, TO EXERCISE THE ELECTIVE FRANCHISE IN OBEDIENCE TO THE DICTATION OF A FACTION IN THOSE ASSEMBLIES; THE ATTEMPT TO COMMIT TO ONE MAN ARBITRARY AND UNCONTROLLABLE POWER, WHICH THEY HAVE FOUND NECESSARY TO EXERCISE TO FORCE THE PEOPLE OF THOSE STATES INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR WILL; THE AUTHORITY GIVEN THE SECRETARY OF WAR TO USE THE NAME OF THE PRESIDENT TO COUNTERMAND THE PRESIDENT'S ORDERS AND TO CERTIFY MILITARY ORDERS TO BE THE DIRECTION OF THE PRESIDENT, WHEN THEY ARE NOTORIOUSLY KNOWN TO BE CONTRARY TO THE PRESIDENT'S DIRECTION, THUS KEEPING UP THE FORM OF THE CONSTITUTION TO WHICH THE PEOPLE ARE ACCUSTOMED, BUT PRACTICALLY DEPOSING THE PRESIDENT FROM HIS OFFICE OF COMMANDER IN CHIEF, and suppressing one of the great departments of the government that of tribunal of the nation the jurisdiction to examine and decide upon the conformity of their pretended laws to the Constitution, which was the chief function of that august tribunal as organized by the Fathers of the Republic; all are but ample explanations of the power they hoped to acquire by the adoption of the said amendment.

TO CONCEAL FROM THE PEOPLE THE IMMENSE ALTERATIONS OF THE FUNDAMENTAL LAW THEY INTENDED TO ACCOMPLISH BY THE SAID AMENDMENT, THEY GILDED THE SAME WITH PREPOSITIONS OF JUSTICE, DRAWN FROM THE STATE CONSTITUTIONS; BUT LIKE ALL THE ESSAYS OF UNLAWFUL POWER TO COMMEND ITS DESIGNS TO POPULAR FAVOR IT IS MARKED BY THE MOST ABSURD AND INCOHERENT PROVISIONS.

It proposes to make it part of the Constitution of the United States, that naturalized citizens of the United States shall be citizens of the United States; as if they were not so without such absurd declaration. It lodges with the Legislative Branch of the government the power of pardon, which properly belongs, BY OUR SYSTEM, to the Executive.

It denounces, and inflicts punishment for past offenses, by Constitutional provision, and thus would make the whole People of this great nation, in their most Solemn and Sovereign Act, guilty of violating a cardinal principle of American Liberty: that no punishment can be inflicted for any offense, unless it is provided by law before the commission of the offense.

It usurps the power of punishment, which, in any coherent system of government, belongs to the Judiciary, and commits it to the people in their Sovereign capacity.

It degrades the nation, by proclaiming to the world that no confidence can be placed in its honestly or morality.

It appeals to the fears of the public creditors by publishing a libel on the American People, and fixing it forever in the national Constitution, as a stigma upon the present generation, that there must be Constitutional guards against a reputation of the public debt; as if it were possible that a people who were so corrupt as to disregard such an obligation would be bound by any contract, Constitutional or otherwise.

It imposes new prohibitions upon the power of the Senate to pass laws, and interdicts the execution of such parts of the common law as the national Judiciary may esteem inconsistent with the vague provisions of the said amendment, MADE VAGUE FOR THE PURPOSE OF FACILITATING ENCROACHMENTS UPON THE LIVES, LIBERTIES AND PROPERTY OF THE PEOPLE.

It enlarges the Judicial power of the United States so as to bring every law passed by the State, and every principle of the common law relating to Life, Liberty or Property, within the jurisdiction of the federal tribunals, and charges those tribunals with duties, to the due performance of which they, from their nature and organization, and their distances from the People, are unequal.

IT MAKES A NEW APPOINTMENT OF REPRESENTATION IN THE NATIONAL COUNCIL, FOR NO OTHER REASON THATN THEREBY TO SECURE TO A FACTION A SUFFICIENT NUMBER OF THE VOTES OF A SERVILE AND IGNORANT RACE TO OUT WEIGH THE INTELLIGENT VOICES OF THEIR OWN [IT] WAS INTENDED TO OVERTHROW THE SYSTEM OF SELF-GOVERNMENT UNDER WHICH THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES HAVE FOR EIGHTY YEARS ENJOYED THEIR LIBERTIES, AND IS UNFIT, FROM ITS ORIGIN, ITS OBJECTS AND ITS MATTER, TO BE INCORPORATED WITH THE FUNDAMENTAL LAW OF A FREE PEOPLE."

http://militantjeffersonian.com

"We are not a nation, but a union, a confederacy of equal and sovereign States" John C. Calhoun

Some interesting history

similiar to that presented in Griffin's Jekyll Island.

Here is a website of a group of people who have been actively researching this period of deception for two years. I'm sure they would greatly appreciate your insights.

They have weekly nationwide teleconferences and are always looking for people who have expertise in this area. It's a big team effort to dig this stuff out. I'm sure they would welcome your input and research.

http://www.republicoftheunitedstates.org/

You'all MUST read The Red

You'all MUST read The Red Amendment (TRA ~ link for purchase below) to eliminate any misunderstanding of the meaning or intent and of the 14th Amendment. From my modest research, TRA is the quintessential authority on the subject.

In my own words, the 13th Amendment abolished the private slavery in the form of involuntary servitude. The 14th Amendment instituted public (Federal) slavery in the form of voluntary servitude.

YES the 14th Amendment is for you. It is a status that you volunteer for and affirm every time you vote and contract with, or ask permission, or receive benefits from, the government known as The United States, or any of its political subdivisions known as "The State of [fill in the blank]." It is the status that places you under the direct control of Congress, and the status that makes you liable for ANY and EVERY US statutory law that Congress chooses to enact. It is the reason that Harry Read can honestly say that the Income Tax is voluntary, because you volunteered to be a 14th Amendment citizen. Any other notion about the 14th Amendment is a lie and a fraud.

The truth, however, is that you do NOT need to consent any longer. Read TRA and lern why.

God save the Peoples of America.

(Edit: "under" the direct conrol.. instead of "in" direct control..).

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

Has anyone else caught this?

14th Amendment; Section 3 says:

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

If I'm not mistaken, it's saying no person who's taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States can hold an office in the corporate United States.

Is that right?

If so, that means you must not support or defend the original Constitution; if you have, or still do, you are barred from holding office of Senator, Congressman, Elector of President or Vice President, etc.

Isn't there an Constitution "FOR" and a Constitution "OF" the United States?

These people are crafty wordsmiths no doubt. I may not be assimilating that correctly, not sure; just popped out at me now that I'm really starting to 'slow down' and read every single word and look it up in the dictionaries, because their definition of 'person' is not the same as ours.

+1 on the OP

but your wrong on your reading of Section 3.

Read it a few more times.

14th amendment did not create

14th amendment did not create a Federal Citizen for anyone. There never was incorporation.

Didn't Congress Incorporate the District of Columbia in 1871?

I'll guarantee you 'something' happened, or that 14th Amendment wouldn't be there :)

Bump!

Thanks, bookmarked for later. I think many of the Laws written are not to protect the 'citizen' but the politicans and corrupt cronies.