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The fact that any Ron Paul supporter

would spend one second of his time promoting Gary Johnson now that it has become obvious Paul will not be the Republican nominee spells trouble for this movement. The future of Ron Paul's revolution is not in some insignificant third party like the LP. The future of Ron Paul's revolution is in the Republican Party. There are dozens of Ron Paul Republicans running for Congress, Senate, and state legislatures and Senates that need our help. Who cares whether Johnson gets on all fifty or not?!? He's a third party candidate which means he's good for nothing other than a protest vote.

There is no longer any serious effort to get Paul the nomination

Paul himself has said so.

It's over.

Accept it and move on.

Insignificant party like the

Insignificant party like the Libertarian party? Spoken like a true gop follower.

The only thing the gop is good for is destoying this country and you support that. Congratulations for being so significant.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good things is my religion. Thomas Paine, Godfather of the American Revolution

The Libertarian Party is a menace to liberty.

Why? Because good, patriotic, educated, informed liberty-minded folks end up getting caught up in it and never accomplish one-fifth of what they could have accomplished being Republicans. No libertarian candidate will EVER stand a chance of getting elected president. The LP is for fat, conceited anarchists who don't have the patience or the fortitude to try and make a real, meaningful difference, so they relegate themselves to the Libertarian cult and let the country go to hell in a handbasket. The only reason Ron Paul ever got elected to Congress was because he ran as a Republican and not a Libertarian. The only reason he ever got in any nationally, televised debates was because he ran for president as a Republican and not as a Libertarian. The LP is a distraction that will divide this movement.

And being forced to vote for

And being forced to vote for Mitt Romney? no thanks.

All you do is give power to Republicans.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

Huh?

How does being Republican force you to vote for Mitt Romney?

Personally, I would rather Romney win than Obama because I think if we can get Congress to pass legislation that we support (such as Audit the Fed) there is a greater chance of Romney signing it into law than Obama, not because Romney is any more in tune with us than Obama, but, simply because the more issues we begin to win Republicans over on (such as auditing the Fed), the more it will become politically safe to align with our positions. And of course, that's what Romney's all about - political safety. Obama on the other hand couldn't give a flying fart what we want or think about anything because we're not a part of the Democratic base and/or special interest forces that drive his treasure chests.

That being said, I'm personally planning on voting for Goode and not Romney. But, I'm not going to come on the Daily Paul and promote Goode because I know he doesn't stand a chance to win. People like Kurt Bills and Thomas Massie however, do.

Ask The Granger. She took

Ask The Granger. She took some sort of oath and is now hellbent on voting for Romney so she can fit in with the other Republicrats.

Actually, why don't you promote Goode. I don't really know enough about him, though the Constitution Party seems to think that immigration is in the Constitution as a delegated power. It isn't.

So maybe they need to work on that a bit, do some reading or something.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

NY neither

He may not qualify here either

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Info Bump: Politics is a nasty business.

[linking these posts]

Gary Johnson sues Michigan for spot on ballot - missed deadline by 3 minutes
http://www.dailypaul.com/242178/gary-johnson-sues-michigan-f...

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Gary Johnson was the first candidate to qualify in Ohio

Just last week, in fact. I'm glad that the LP will be on the ballot here, and will do what I can to ensure that they keep their ballot access.

More Liberty choices are better than fewer.

"Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid." - Ronald Reagan

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GJ said a few days ago during an interview

that he will be on the ballot in all 50 states.
He is in it to win it:
http://www.americansforgaryjohnson.org/

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Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Just because GJ said this, doesn't make it true.

Only time will tell. Like many other things, only time will tell.

But if you'd like to, at this particular point in time,insist that Johnson will for sure be on all 50 ballots no matter what, I suggest you go to the drawing board and figure out what you're talking about before you begin this dialogue.

You say he's in it to win it, but did you even bother to actually read the thread? I find it hard to believe you did, so I'll repeat:

Johnson has stated that he has two goals in his race — to get federal matching funds for his Libertarian Party candidacy, which he has, and to qualify for the national televised debates with Obama and Romney...

And so I'll ask again Tom, did GJ simply forget to mention a third goal of actually winning, or is that even part of his plan?

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He's simply not getting ahead

He's simply not getting ahead of himself. He knows that he needs to be in the debates to win, so that is his focus more than anything.

I would say he will PROBABLY be on the ballot in all 50 states, but he might lose one or two due to issues. That is not a fundamental failure as clearly, you don't need all 50 to win.

In how many states will Ron Paul be on the ballot?

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

Not getting ahead of himself?

He should also know that he needs to be on the ballots to win..Filing paperwork on time months ago should have been more of his focus than anything. Let's see, there hasn't been a national convention yet, so I guess I just won't "get ahead of myself"..I never even had a problem with Johnson until a handful of people came here about a month ago with the "Rand endorsed Romney, Ron Paul dropped out, let's jump ship to Johnson" garbage, and they've been doin it ever since, you included...Not respectfully in the least bit either. Even "LegalizeLiberty", been a member here for like 5 years and he was one of the first ones. As far as I'm concerned, you two can f* off. The whole Johnson vibe would be going a whole lot better here for you guys if you had any respect or self control. But you don't, so good luck in life there bud. I feel bad for Gary, being so miserably represented by the likes of you guys. Sad really.

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So I guess you're going to go

So I guess you're going to go away and never come back when Ron retires this year.

Awesome.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

Nope, I'll be right here bud.

And I'll make sure and keep in contact. Awesome.

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Alrighty then. It's always

Alrighty then. It's always to know when someone is going to stalk me.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

It's called a mirror buddy

find one.

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Current Ballot Access Status

State by state list:
http://www.lp.org/2012-ballot-access

Useful reference on court battles and legislation:
http://www.ballot-access.org/

And an essay:
http://www.lp.org/blogs/staff/the-quiet-war-on-ballot-access

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

TY for that, Imissliberty

TY for that, Imissliberty

Formerly rprevolutionist

I'm checking your links out but..

I don't quite understand how they refute the thread..So I can go see what states Johnson currently has "access" to? The point of the thread is to point out that it's possible Johnson could lose access to many of those ballots. Just because he has access to a ballot today, doesn't necessarily mean that will be the case tomorrow. At this point, it doesn't seem to clear how things are going to turn out. Johnson filed late and the establishment is capitalizing on it. If the establishments going to capitalize on it in Michigan, what makes you think they won't in many other states?

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Gary Johnson

Is only there to divide the votes here for Ron Paul!Ron Paul only!

What Evidence Do You Have?

I have seen no evidence that this is the case (although your own post appears designed to divide freedom fighters from each other).

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

We Are Used to It

How old are you? The LP was formed at the same time and for the same reasons as Ron Paul first decided to get involved in politics. We are very used to this kind of treatment after not 30, but 40 years. Duh.

When Ron Paul ran for president in 1988, that was his complaint, then: that he had to spend all his time and effort just getting on the ballot.

Wake up. The LP is here, and has been offering voters another option since 1972, and it has never been easy.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

What exactly would age have to do with anything?

Nothing...Odd, that's the same thing another Johnson supporter asked me the other day, as if it matters or something..I'm wide awake missliberty, please don't speak to me as if I'm not.

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More background.

I have done some further research and found that Secretary of State Ruth Johnson (no relation I am sure) is likely acting on behalf of Romney out of some concern that Gary Johnson will steal votes.

Gary Johnson was given the option, under Michigan's "Sore Loser" law, to acquire 30,000 signatures by July 19th in order to be listed as an Independent", but under that same law, the Libertarian candidate may not appear as his party's nominee, an inconsistancy that is being challenged.

It seems that Michigan's law was written in 1955 when Michigan had no Presidential Primary and has never been used to bar a Presidential Candidate before. In fact when John Anderson dropped out of the Republican Race during the 1980 elections, he was printed on the Presidential ballot on Michigan when he applied as late as October 1980 (for the November 1980 election).

The Libertarian Party is considering adding another Gary Johnson, a Texas businessman, who is also a supporter, to the ballot as the Libertarian candidate, in order to protest this decision by Michigan's Secretary of State. Apparently THAT is allowable.

Two things I take from your comment..

1."but under that same law, the Libertarian candidate may not appear as his party's nominee"

So, that just reinforces the fact that it is possible that Johnson won't appear on the ballot.

2."has never been used to bar a Presidential Candidate before"

That appears to be irrelevant seeing as how that's exactly what they're trying to do now.

Also, you don't seem to be addressing the fact that Johnson acknowledges he FILED LATE..Other states have similar laws as Michigan..If Johnson IS kept off the ballot in Michigan, he could be left off in many other states as well. Or am I wrong on that? And if I am wrong, please provide me with links that clarify.

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You are using circle arguments.

#1. THATS why the Secretary of State is being sued. THAT is what the law suit is ALL ABOUT!

#2. Again THAT is what the law suit is all about. If precedent shows the law was applied differently in the past, the law has to be applied fairly. THAT is what the case is all about.

ONLY in Michigan did the Libertarian Party miss the application deadline by three minutes. There are other states with sore loser laws, and Gary Johnson WOULD have met the criteria for this one. But he missed the filing deadline by three minutes.

Why is this tough to understand?

If you want to find a circle argument

go back to the "Naplitano endorses Johnson" thread...Plenty of circle arguments from your buddies over there.

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FWIW,

I still plan on voting for Ron Paul in November, even if I have to write him in...

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