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Definitely a libertarian streak in someone involved in creating Breaking Bad

Watch the main character (Walter White) attempt to stand up for his rights.

http://youtu.be/TM7CE5mTz9I

In two other scenes they discuss why or why not drugs constitute crime. i.e. consenting adults does not equal crime.

Also, there is a self-admitted libertarian character. Though he's eccentric, they do throw in a Ron Paul 2008 sticker.

The Constitution is also mentioned frequently throughout the series.

Some think it's a negative, but I took it as any publicity is good publicity.

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been watching the show on

been watching the show on netflix. when i saw the ron paul sticker in the booklet i was like HOLY CRAP?? Nice shout out though..

"you're a funny dude, but who gives a fuck about that? I don't care about someone's wit, I care about the courage of their heart and the honesty of their mind."

This weird lab assistant?

This weird lab assistant? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wugY6HNLOCo

bluto20

not a libertarian show

Also, let me add that even though I enjoy the show, there ain't much of a libertarian message. If you want a show with a libertarian flavor, try Firefly.

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

BrownCoats of the Non-BLUE_SUN Corp Universe unite!!!

FireFly and DeadWood.

All time favorites.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Ron Paul 2008 sticker in Breaking Bad

I forget which episode it was, but when Hank (I think) is flipping through Gale's notebook, there is a Ron Paul 2008 sticker on one of the pages.

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

Breaking Bad is the best drama on television

maybe ever. Last time I have been THAT impressed with storytelling and screenwriting brilliance in a TV series, I was watching The Shield finale.

Whether libertarian or not, the minds and the talent creating this particular show are so bright and so rare that it's a must see for anyone.

Whatever their political stance, they are masters at what they do.

That said, I enjoy BB thoroughly and if there was the slightest hint of anti-freedom agenda, I'd be crushed.

So far so good. :)

i was watching the episode

i was watching the episode where walter white and his brother and law were going through the lab notes of the weird lab assistant. one of them was flipping through the pages and something caught my eye that looked familiar. so i backed it up and paused when he would flip the page and low and behold, a ron paul 2008 brochure, or sticker, or something. i don't really remember but if that's what they're putting in a meth cooks lab notes book, i'd hardly call it anything that could be viewed as supportive.

It was the classic, blue, Ron

It was the classic, blue, Ron Paul for President 2008 bumper sticker. I just watched it last week and had to rewind several times as well.

The funny thing is, the character it belonged to was definitely one of us.

Anyone seen the tv series Jericho?

Now THAT was an awesome libertarian show but it was cancelled a few years ago. If they brought it back now, with the new libertarian wave, it would get awesome ratings.

Yeah

that was a great show. Just watched the series recently.

Two years ago I would have agreed

Two years ago I would have agreed with you but Walter White has become thoroughly corrupted since then. You should have said that there was WAS a libertarian character. Last year he was ruthlessly killed by Walter White. If there is message in this series, it is NOT anti-drug war IMHO.

That's the point. He was

That's the point. He was corrupted by the illegality of drugs and the massive amount of money to be made by circumventing the system.

The only difference between a libertarian and a criminal is that one generally lives by the unconstitutional rules and the other one says "aw, screw it".

And of course, since the government is excellent at destroying opportunity and jobs, and creating poverty, there are always people desperate enough to make easy, but risky money.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

Well....you could read that

Well....you could read that into it but I think it is a stretch. Why doesn't this systemic corruption apply to Hank, or for that matter the rest of the DEA? None of them apparently take bribes, none of them abuse their power, etc. Now....the final conclusion of the show (which is coming up soon) might back up your case but I am dubious.

Again, a libertarian is

Again, a libertarian is wiling to follow the law and the show demonstrates how the right push can force nearly anyone to become a criminal and even a dangerous one.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

If anything the comments of

If anything the comments of Vince Gilligan, the show's creater, indicates a message that is PRO War on Drugs:

"I read several books on the subject, both from the point of view of the DEA and from the point of view of the addicts. Fortunately or unfortunately, all this stuff's readily available. [X-Files writer Frank Spotnitz's] brother-in-law, Grant, is a DEA agent, and he was very helpful. I got to have lunch with him and his partner and ask some questions about what it's like from the DEA point of view. We have a character on our show who is a DEA agent who is a bit of a cowboy, but a very good cop. We try to show the DEA as realistically as we can, which is an organization of people who really believe in what they're doing and who work very hard.

I knew nothing about crystal meth before all of this started. I just knew it was really bad for you. That's not even the point of the show, for me. The point of the show is about a guy who's having the world's worst mid-life crisis, and who does something terrible in order to do something good. But then the question arises, do the ends justify the means? And I think we're gradually making the point that no, they don't."

Well, one can say that the

Well, one can say that the drug war is a case of the ends not justifying the means.

I side with Gary Johnson in that I don't think these manufactured drugs should be legal. But that should be a state call and handled at the state level in proper proportion to the problem.

Meth is HUGELY addictive. Worse than just about anything and physically worse for you than heroin.

But it is BECAUSE we banned "safe" drugs like marijuana and even cocaine.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

Instead of banning meth, you

Instead of banning meth, you hit the mark in your last sentence. The best way to fight meth is not to ban it but undermine demand by legalizing safter hard-drug alternatives.

Again, Gilligan's main stated point for the show has absolutely nothing to do with the merits of the WOD.....though his positive depiction of the DEA does indicate a pro-WOD tendency.

Oh....if there are to be "bans" on meth, they should be at the state and local level. The feds should have nothing to do with it.

The Feds are like burglars

The Feds are like burglars who break into your home and start cooking you dinner at gun point.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

Correction

The Feds are like burglars who break into your home, force YOU at gunpoint to cook a dinner for THEM. If there is any food leftover, then you are forced to share it with your neighbor.

Hmm.. I see just the

Hmm.. I see just the opposite. In my opinion, the message is strongly anti-drug war. They constantly show all of the violence the war on drugs creates. The homicides, cartels, ruined families, collateral damage etc are all a result of the drugs being illegal.

"Where liberty is, there is my country." -Benjamin Franklin

I agree. I was going to post

I agree. I was going to post the exact same points you present before reading your response. Great show by the way, and I'm not a big TV person by any means.

Yes, there a few statements

Yes, there have been a few statements to that effect but they have dwindled over time. Look at the shifting portrayal of Hank if you want to see where this is apparently going. At the beginning, Hank was a scumbag egotistical idiot. More recently, he is being increasingly portrayed as flawed but as fundamentally dedicated, brave, kind-hearted, and smart. Walter, on the other hand, is now being portrayed as thoroughly corrupt and power-mad. It is also revealing that other main corrupt figure was Gustavo, who was on the surface an admirable Ray Croc or Dave Thomas type but was "really" a ruthless drug king pin. The central message seems to be that ruthless criminals and entrepreneurs are no different Hank, and the other cops, are depicted as angels compared to Gustavo!

not angels,

more like professionals. They're depicted as absolutely ordinary people, who happen to be doing their jobs in no special way (in stark contrast to policemen in any other crime show).

Hank isn't smart, nor was he ever stupid. He was lighthearted at the beginning of the show and after his many personal and professional failures he just got more serious.

http://youtu.be/9iaCJXXCjOs :-D

My recollection of Hank at

My recollection of Hank at the beginning was that he was kind of sadistic and had a swaggering air of superiority around that lowly mild-mannered school teacher, Walter. The current depiction of Hank fits with your profile. Again, why aren't these "professionals" being corrupted by the drug war? What makes them immune to the same temptations that have corrupted Walter?

That is an excellent question

That is an excellent question - and one that is very well portrayed in the Shield TV show, however it takes all 7 seasons to fully appreciate the dramatic cathedral those guys have built along these lines (no deed goes unpunished in the show finale).

That is of course, a cop-centric show. However the Breaking Bad is not done yet and the crossing of Walt and Hank is inevitable...

I agree with the air of superiority around Hank in the first episode, however I take it as a very natural and psychologically quite truthful depiction - he is after all, the man with the gun, with an "exciting" and "manly" job - while Walt is "just a high school teacher".

As to the professionals, I meant it broadly - them being experts at what they do, without seeing the whole picture. Like a rocket scientist, working on a bomb - working his science with passion, without fully appreciating or even realizing the consequences and the context of his research.

Some thoughtful comments.

Some thoughtful comments. Inevitable seems to the right word though perhaps the producers will surprise us. Right now, however, the likely scenario is that a totally corrupt Walter either dies or goes to jail and Hank somehow comes out a hero. It won't be long before we find out.