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80% of Americans Would Consider Voting for a 3rd Party

The recent Reason-Rupe poll finds that 80% of Americans say they would or might consider voting for an Independent or third-party presidential candidate in the 2012 election. Specifically, 60% said they would consider voting for an independent or third-party candidate, 20% said they might consider, 17% said they would not consider, and 3% said they did not know whether they would consider voting for an Independent or third-party presidential candidate.


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In your drunken rants, you have disrespected me, both Pauls and several dozens of users DIRECTLY.
You do not fool anyone and who cares where you used to work?
You ARE the flamer, and no one else.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

If the message is what counts...

I've been following for a few months now, and throughout this period of time I keep hearing that Dr. Paul is running to spread the message of liberty. I think I've read or heard that this is his last attempt at running for president, though perhaps I'm wrong (which I honestly would love to find out that I am.) That being said, if he gets screwed out of the nomination, his followers beaten and bloodied, why wouldn't anyone run up until election day, if nothing else then to spread the message for as long as possible while the country is paying attention to politics as closely as they are now during this election season. He's proven he can pull in the funds, the message resonates, he has support of many independents and even liberals do to his anti-war stance. I hope greatly that he keeps going forward.

but why would koch brother support an effort that is not within

its control? it already resorts to the extreme over petty quarrels with cato. what do you think it would do to grassroots that don't listen to them at all? likely it would never start in the first place. 3rd party sounds like a romantic idea and all, but it's funny people think big money hasn't poured in to the paul campaign because he isn't in a 3rd party, as if these 'big money' don't carry their own interest in the first place already. i don't mind a 3rd party, just not the incompetent people at LP.

Now how many of those people

Now how many of those people would vote for a third party candidate after being asked if they would vote for someone they thought couldnt win.(regardless of actual viability) This is the name of the game, one that is all too easy to manipulate.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.


Thank you for sharing this with us. Although I wish this poll was taken a year ago.

Joined the Liberty Movement in Anchorage, Alaska, 1977. Ron Paul supporter since 1983.
In Liberty from the Pacific Northwest.

RP supporters must be devastated by such a poll that exposes

even more than paul is either an idiot or his crony insiders did a darn good job of deceiving him into not running 3rd party in order to challenge obameny in anyway or have a voice.


OK so how many 3rd party

OK so how many 3rd party Candidates will be elected to the U.S. Congress & Senate this November?

most likely too late to get anyone into senate.

rand's crony buddies will continue to dominate congress as well ron's sick pal romney's inner circle.


Way to avoid the question

Way to avoid the question with BS.

i didn't avoid the question, idiot.

the facts are that this fake liberty movement or any liberty movement has no leaders. the pauls are not leaders. hence, there are very few third party candidates running.

the campaign for liberty was set up so third party candidates could run or liberty candidates. but, rp supporters don't want liberty candidates in office. so donations lined tate's pocket - and tate as you agreed with, would not give any money to liberty canddiates.

i stated the facts - for nov elections, time is too limited for third party candidates to enter with a lot of success at this time. though may not be impossible.


What does "the pauls"

What does "the pauls", campaign for liberty, tate have to do with how many 3rd party candidates will be elected this November?

Your quote:
"for nov elections, time is too limited for third party candidates to enter with a lot of success at this time. though may not be impossible."

So how many will be elected none, a few, or is it to late? If 80% of Americans would consider voting third party wouldn't there be at least more than a few 3rd party candidates elected this November?

No wonder why legalizeliberty

No wonder why legalizeliberty is pushing so hard for gary johnson, legalizeliberty is Canadian in the Canadian bubble. Canada is not the United States.

ahh do not worry, the gop

ahh do not worry, the gop will probably give him romney to support instead of gary ,yeahhhhh note sarcasm! all those folks bashing gary supporters who do you suggest? romney,obama.

If paul is not the nominee. who are you suggesting as many dper's love to trash gary. I guess we should line up with romney:) not!!

Ron Paul 2016

Well at least legalizeliberty

Well at least legalizeliberty will get a chance to vote for gary johnson or uh....?

Running Third Party would be foolish...

For Dr. Paul. There's all those "sore loser" laws and he wouldn't be able to be able to be nominated by those states. It's better to vote Gary Johnson if you're looking third party.

Really? This again? "Sore-loser" laws do not apply

- to either Paul or Johnson.

They do not apply to Presidential elections. Do a search here on DP for the phrase. You'll find all you need to put that to rest.

Dr. Paul would probably never

Dr. Paul would probably never consider doing it, but if he's denied a prime time speaking slot in Tampa, and if the liberty delegates are treated like crap, and if the Romulans completely ignore the liberty agenda, I'd love to see an organized convention walk out and the setting up of an independent campaign even if all that can be accomplished is denying the GOP the presidency.

Enough is freaking enough.

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein


In a related poll 100% of Republicans said they would consider supporting limited government and the Constitution. lol Voters are like politicians. They talk a good game until crunch time, then it's business as usual.


That this poll is meaningless is because we now need to poll the Ron Paul campaign with the following question: Will Ron Paul consider running as an independant?

Some see things as they are and say why,but i dream things that never were and say why not. Robert F. Kennedy

Voting for Gary Johnson

is the logical next step for those who care about Ron Paul's ideas.

Marxians often killed each other for purity of their dogma. But if we can tolerate Blue republicans, populists and outright weak minded among us, picking on Gary (who is 70% of RP) means not understanding the situation at hand.

Voting for GJ is logical next step, but rp supporters don't want

liberty. of course, gj is the logical next step in liberty. especially in light of numerous polls like this one over the past year, including from mainstream media and media pundits, that say that well over 50% of americans would seriously consider an independent/3rd party candidate.

those who really don't want true liberty, but want islamic style liberty will stick to paul's crony estab dnc/gop insiders and lead them to the pit of doom where they will continue to serve their masters.

unfortunately, too many rp supporters are serial hypocrites and are infact commies like obamney.


the Constitution party

the Constitution party candidate is also the next step. For me The constitution party candidate does not endorse abortion.

constitution party is also acceptable.

as the next logical step. though gary johnson has a bit more publicity, so i would be leaning in his direction.


Extra 3million on hand? Hello

Extra 3million on hand? Hello third party run :D

I see no methodology mentioned.

For all we know, this was an online poll and we really have no way of knowing how it was conducted. Of course, if it IS accurate, it sure points out why 3rd parties get no publicity.

People say anything in a

People say anything in a poll. When it comes right down to it most people are still going to vote for the one party with two different names.


I've worked in over twenty campaigns - Republican, Democrat, and third party. As you've said, people will tell you anything during a campaign. But in the end - only a few percent will even consider voting for a third party candidate. The only modern statewide exception is Jesse Ventura for Governor of Minnesota. Voters also elected Lisa Murkowski and Joe Lieberman on statewide third parties but they had been formally elected in a major party and people saw them as members of a major Party. Libertarians and other independents do regularly win local races, however.

There is only one way to have a fighting chance to win a state election with a third party candidate (Presidents must win states):

Start with someone well known and who is a great campaigner. Spend a lot of money to overcome the lack of media support. Conduct a heavy statewide education initiative to convince voters that third parties are the only way that voters can stop shooting themselves in the foot. Start running at least two years before the general election to adequately build an effective team.

I think that Jesse Ventura has what it takes to win as a third party Presidential election if he were willing to put 100% of his effort into it. If he could raise $one Billion and if he used it efficiently, he could pull it off. As far as I can see, there are no Ron Paul type liberty candidates at this time who have what it takes to overcome the static that would occur as a third party presidential candidate and also raise one billion from the grassroots.

Gene Louis
Supporting a Needed Tool for Government Feedback:
A Citizen-Operated Legal System.

a lot more few percent consider 3rd party,

and that is what scares you about america - that it ahs the chance for revival with a party similar that george washington belongs to as well as thomas jefferson.

but you stand toe to toe with establishment in wanting paul humiliated and destroyed, so no other liberty candidates stand a chance.

your only experience is with establishment campaigns and you work only for them. you have to sick animal to work for an establishment campaign as you said you did.


$1 billion??

You're a party pooper. No way anywhere close to that is raised in a few months or even decades.

I thought that was a typo until I saw you typed it twice.

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a rEVOLution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford

This is from the Mouth of Ron Paul Himself

You can see the futility of trying to win a series of third party state elections.

When asked why he would not run third party, one of RP's responses was that it would cost $One Billion.

I agree with Ron Paul on this - remember - you must overcome the lack of free media and the voter bias against third parties. You must be prepared to hire tons of lawyers to fight injustices and state voting prejudices. And you must fund a series campaign headquarters's in each state. If you are serious about winning a state, you better have a paid team of organizers there.

Obama spent close to one billion dollars in the last election. He started out with a guarantee of at least 40% of the vote, even if he did nothing. A third party starts out with no vote - or a few percent at most.

And look at the disadvantage that RP had in the primaries this year. RP spent $10 million in tiny Iowa alone. At that rate, he would have needed $20 to $40 million per each large state to win the primary - that is close to $300 million or more to win the primary.

As an example, Corzine spent about $75 million to win his initial Senate seat in NJ. As a sitting Governor - incumbent - he spent $20 million in that last election in NJ. Twenty million times fifty states equal one billion.

Romney - who had the media on his side and also the had the party blessing - spent almost 100 million dollars so far in the primary process. And that is only to win the nomination. He could easily spend an additional $250 million to $500 million in the General. And he will start with a base of a guaranteed 40% of the vote if he does nothing, something that a third party would not have.

Gene Louis
Supporting a Needed Tool for Government Feedback:
A Citizen-Operated Legal System.