Time for new party?
Submitted by tumetuestumefai... on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 16:03The GOP delegate selection process is completed. Now the Ron Paul Campaign has only one major task ahead and that is the showing at the Tampa GOP Convention. It is therefore time to consider what direction the Liberty movement behind Ron Paul's messenger face could go now.
Let's first look at numbers (rounded). In 2008 presidential election there were 206.1 million eligible voters from which 131.1 million (63.6%) voted - 69.5 million (33.7%) voted for Obama/Biden, 59.9 million (29.1%) voted for McCain/Palin, 1.8 million (0.9%) voted for all other candidates and 74.9 million (36.3%) didn't vote.
What a "demogracy" where were less voters who voted for the winner taking all, than the voters who didn't bother to vote for anybody. What a vacuum to fill.
Now, the electoral college projections mostly look like it would be a real miracle for Mitt Romney to win the 2012 presidential election and in my opinion his only chance how to keep a decisive part of the Ron Paul camp on the GOP board and maybe win the election would be by allowing major commitments into the party platform and putting Ron Paul on the vice-presidential ticket, nothing less. But how likely is it after all, really?
On the other hand the Ron Paul camp more successfully than expected used the pretext of the campaigns and the presidential candidate nomination process to promote - in a very consistent manner concerned with real issues - the ideas of Liberty both within and without the GOP.
And it looks like the support for Ron Paul among voters is even greater outside the traditional GOP electorate and generally can be in two digit percent numbers of voters population in the USA.
Moreover the support for liberty ideas looks quite steadily rising (as the number of independent voters does, 80% of voters even say at least are not excluding possibility to support a third party) and does not look too volatile as say in the case of R. Perot in 1992 - prophetically warning then about the debt based policies - who plummeted from his frontrunner status quite quickly after major mistakes, still got over 18% of the popular vote after reentering into the race, yet then gradually disappeared pretty much into oblivion.
The Liberty grassroots movement clearly has a major political potential in the long run despite all the numerous shenanigans in the GOP straw polls and the delegate selection process, and proved it is able to rise significant money and organize big rallies as well as able of organizing itself at the local and state levels to achieve even takeovers of whole state GOP establishments.
And here we come to the core:
Wouldn't it be (in the case the attempts to nominate Ron Paul would not be successful) good for the Liberty movement to employ the current unity, capitalize not only on GOP leaning but on the truly independent grassroots support, as well as on the experience from the local organizing for voting in the straw polls GOP delegate selection process and form (maybe in a "federal flash mob" manner utilizing the current instantaneous communication technologies) a new full-blown official party with local chapters, county & district, state and federal organization, with own official platform and nominating its own candidates without old party establishment interference?
Remember the Republican party of 1854? How quickly it sent the Whig party into oblivion by giving up on attempts to reform it, became a major political power and got the presidency - in times of mail being transported by horses?
What really remains now from the then liberty promoting Republican party?
What much else has this whole GOP nomination game been now about than the establishment trying whatever unfair or outright illegal means to disenfranchise potential Ron Paul voters?
Ron Paul recently said: "We are the future." (they are the past)
Could such a new party - with the independent, young, smart, enthusiastic people who support Ron Paul's message on board - prevent the disillusion about politics, fragmentation of the movement and ensure its future recognition and development into a really serious political power with less old establishment interference and more spirit of the USA founding fathers into everyday political life?
The author Dr. Jan Zeman is an independent political analyst with such achievements as securing the decisive vote in the Senate for the Czech conservative/libertarian president parliamentary re-election in 2008 and subsequently persuading him into a vocal opposition against the Lisbon Treaty which then resulted in securing important exception for the Czech Republic from the EU Orwellian schemes. He is not a native English speaker, so please excuse possible errors.
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Exactly that I wanted to say
- IF the attempts to nominate Dr. Paul would turn unsuccessful then the 3rd party is a very possible way how to continue fostering liberty ideas in spite of the establishment shenanigans.
If?
Why would they go against their self interest to appeal to ours?
What if
their interst from the very beginning is to use Rmoney as unelectable useful idiot to secure Obama reelection - at least it very much looks like that from the very firs straw poll manipulation in Iowa.
Any politican!!!
Where is the incentive to go against their own self interests, to appeal to ours? There is none. Only we can save ourselves...
yeah only you
democracy is about informed people cappable to make (right) choices (in their interest). I'm skeptical that GOP will follow their seemingly interest to elect Rmoney - because it very much looks like they are a part of wider establishment which wants Obama - they don't care who is in the VH as far as it is not Ron Paul who could destroy their establishment by informing people.
Perhaps we are frittering away an opportunity.
Article I.2.5
The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers
Since the current House of Representatives has failed to support and defend the Constitution by passing laws that pretend to annul the First, Forth and Fifth Amendment. Shall we refuse them another term for aiding and abetting this treasonous behavior?
The Speaker of the House does not have to be a current member of the House. If we can place 434 more liberty mined candidates in the House, they could elect Ron Paul as Speaker.
Thirty-three members of the Senate need to go also.
Let's make the lobbyists pay out and hold the sword of Damocles over the heads of those we newly elected. We can implement term limits without congressional help
Besides the Presidential campaign we can give the PTB 468 new worries.
They are the little white dot. We are the 200 million.
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"They are the little white dot. We are the 200 million."
"Shall we refuse them another term for aiding and abetting this treasonous behavior?"
Hell yes.
Sorry I'm European, what is PTB 468?
Number in Congress to be replaced is 468 members.
PTB is Powers that be.
Free includes debt-free!
thanks
Sometimes is difficult to understand the abreviations when one isn't an American.
Yes, we are frittering away a huge opportunity
By taking these seats, we are OBLIGATED to out anyone who is breaking with the constitution.
We need to get those seats. YES, it's work, but it's worth it.
On my committee, the county wanted to pass a library tax. Everyone had an opinion. I was still a guest. It was looking like the library tax was going to pass. The last one to speak said, "We should pass tis so everyone will like us."
That's when I raised my hand, and responded, "They aren't going to like us if we pass this tax. All we will do is lay an addition tax on those who own home and are already paying a tax. The people who own homes are expecting us to stand for them. That's who we need to like us. I say NO to this tax. Hell, I don't even go to the library and while I'm not opposed to libraryes, there are several that people prefer over the one we have. No metter what we do, it is never enough, so I'm sure not going to vote for it if it's on the ballot."
They voted "No".
Like RP, I can't do it alone. We really need RP GOP to step up and start attending these meetings and helping the GOP find it's way back to what being a republic is.
Join the RP GOP. Get involved, and we will win.
STAND WITH RAND 2016
You've answered the question, "who watches the watchers"
Thanks!
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the V.P.
...the Voluntaryist Party keeps no records of membership, advocates for a complete government "opt-out" option with no taxes in exchange for no "benefits", advocates for new government funding methods which do not involve the use of force, and advocates for partial direct-democracy and restoring local autonomy from the very very limited Federal Government.
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Quite a direct system of democracy they have for centuries in the Swiss Confederation and from my experiences the system works quite well, and it still successfully blocks Switzerland to become member of the EU ruining the European nations one after another. It also works on local level in our country with local referenda. I think it is a question of gradual step by step paradigm change - from absolute despocies to full democracy - if we don't want bloody revolutions. A democracy requires well informed people able to know and assert their rights. Democracy is about the people able of informed choices - if not somebody else will make them and most probably not in the peoples favor, especially in the case of the lack of the parliamentary democracy system sufficiently counterballancing the executive power and judicial activism.
It also looks to me that a constitutional republic with a firmly limited government power, based on equal law (-as much power you have as much responsibility you have) with government rights to use the power limited to those which not disparage or deny peoples rights (9th Amendment) can work quite well if the constitution is taught, followed and enforced - even for large federations of states as USA - at least it looks like the exceptionally well written constitution with carefully projected checks&ballances made from Americans a very wealthy, successful and relatively very free nation - unfortunately the constitution was more and more abandoned and the power seized by the artificial Republican-Democrat dichotomy not letting anybody else into power and it began to crumble, rights some paid the highest price for less and less respected, more and more public money wasted in quest for full scale global dominance under the "compellence doctrine" likely espoused by both the major parties.
For me the restoration of the American republic would be enough for now.
Just for instant example why I'm not completely sure about direct democracy - recently they changed the constitution in our country - it completely changed the rules of the game and scraped the traditional parliamentary presidential election - in favor of the direct election by popular vote - it looks like everybody now can be elected president (with not much power except over foreign policies) by the popular vote - except one man: our current conservative/libertarian president with well over 50% job approval despite more or less all mainstream media and major parties basically against him, citing 2 terms maximum rule - yet his direct predecessor, extreme liberal/cosmopolitan V. Havel a darling of the media was elected four times in a row and nobody cared. What for is such a direct democracy, which from the very beginning is effectively disenfranchising potential voters of somebody, who has the support of over half of the nation and is known for his vocal opposition against global government?
The direct democracy
the Swiss have does seem to be a very workable and well-liked system. It has blocked the Swiss from becoming a full EU member. It will be interesting to see how the pressures of the EU and the US play out on their system in the coming years.
I don't believe
the Swiss will join EU - especially not after all that eurocollapse - they would need to change their political system of the direct democracy or completely brainwash the people - I don't think it is viable there. Hopefully. But the EU tryies - you can see there a push to accept the euromoney subsidies, especially in the public sector, to make them feel obliged. But the private entreprenurs Swiss I know laugh at them.
I dont believe they ever will either...
Can you elaborate on the Euromoney subsidies some? The Swiss are buying Euros at the moment in an effort to control the inflated CHF and not sure how that may or may not relate?
just for example
you go for train and on some trains you find blue placards on carriages that the train was subsidized by EU from that and that EU subsidy programme, you see this more and more and you somehow don't understand what they subsidize there when you see the sum on the ticket you can travel our country across and back -for traveling there just couple of stations, or you see that gigant Nestlé HQ with the big blue banner again about EU agricultural subsidies. Than you learn they pour literally billions just in this one company. I suspect this money end as bonuses for the big bosses to support the bosses in Brussels.
I think with the buying Euro it was rather a threat, because when you look into the composition of the Swiss foreign currency reserves you find it didn't change significantly and euro reserves even went slightly down, what they did was to set minimum exchange rate 1.20CHF/EUR last September (and you can see the rate keeps there) - alegedly to encourage export companies to stay in Switzerland, but de facto this keeps CHF on fix rate to Euro, which is in my opinion rather more ominous sign than just intervention by buying foreign currencies.
Thank you
For this information and explanation. Having recently spent a fairly good deal of time there in recent months, I literally did not even notice these placards. Or maybe I did but thought nothing of it. Are they just blue or do they also have some sort of writing on them? Yes, the pegging of the CHF to EUR is certainly an ominous sign. This was more recent, was it not? Would pegging temporarily not be a good thing at least in terms of keeping the inflating CHF in check? When they did this peg, was this meant to be a permanent move or temporary relief? In other words it was not done as a permanent, irreversable measure was it?
yes
on the placards is usually the illegal EU flag and something to the sense that "this train was subsisdized by this and this EU programme". This placards on train carriages still are quite small so somebody who doesn't know or is interested what does it mean must not even notice them. EU always insists that wherever they subsidize somebody, he must put some placards or banners somewhere to promote EU, you cannot get the subsidies without agreeing with this. Sometimes it is really absurd as when you find such a 2x3m banner somewhere in Czech mountains at the side of a pasture in the 1st zone (unauthorized people are prohibited to enter there) where nobody comes or by several hallogens illuminated simmilarly sized banner inbetween dog toilets in a private marina (and you ask how much the banner and electricity to illuminate it in nigt somewhere in an abandoned mediteranian sh*thole outside the turistic season costs) - once I've used this absurd example I've seen in Spain/France border town in one of my short stories - if you read french there it is: sweb.cz/xmarinx/UnMomentduPhenixF.doc
The CHF minimum rate 1.20 was made on September 6 2011. It was decision of the SNB and I think it should be reversible - but somehow it is in place already almost for a year. It surelly could be beneficial for the intermittent correction - where the defacto outcome is a devaluation which can help export - but for so long?
Thank you for the explanation
Im amazed I saw these placards nowhere within the train system. Im quite positive I would not have missed the EU flag, but this is all very interesting. They must be quite subtle or in places one would not normally look. I will look closer on my next trip.
Time will tell how things go with the pegging of the CHF to the the Euro, I guess. I will give the Swiss the benefit of the doubt in terms of how they handle the currency issue (for now). They were smart enough to stay an outsider (in general) to the European economic zone, but possibly its ever-encroaching tentacles is finding new inroads?
At least there is a Swiss chapter of "WeAreChange"... :-)
Thanks again!
on trains
this placards are usually outside the carriages on the side near the doors. One can easily confuse them with other placards which are usually on the carriages. First I've seen them already like in 2010 by accident in Montreux if I remember it well on the train to Sion. But since then I've seen them several times because I was interested if I see them again. -And I'm in Switzerland only like once a year for couple of weeks.
Yeah I was communicating with some people from Swiss WAC on our BBgroup chat on Skype - they've made an excellent webpage about BB, when the BB was there last year, but then it was somehow taken down by the isp and longtime never reappeared, yesterday I've heard from somebody in Czech they want to renew the page.
With the Switzerland I'm not even sure what will happen, because the economic ties to EU there through multinationals and banking are there quite close, maybe the fact that Switzerland is formally not in EU is only the result of the political system they have.
What I think the ES - the purely economic union wasn't completely bad idea, but now the Germans want already a full-blown political federation and they push the idea even without Britain and with very cold and ambiguous welcome from France -also trapped in the eurozone as creditor which needs the money back, but with warm acceptance of that eurozone debt ulcers as Spain and Italy, Portugal - except of course the desperate Greece and Ireland which in its situation must keep up with the Britain. In my opinion just only a plan originating in Germany apparently without prior OK from France and Britain to conclude full-blown federation - even without the EU nuclear military powers and WWII winners is dangerous and I would think that if in the US govt. would be somebody with at least half brain to look a bit out of that mess and understand what is it about they should wake up and vehemently thumb down the Germany to advance something like that and especially any goal to advance military development without outside control - before it is too late - the Russians would most probably not do it because for them a possibility of war in Europe would be beneficial and Germans have no potential to challenge them and are anyway fully existentially dependent on their gas. If I would look at it from the perspective of Prague I would think we quickly need an Reagan-like president in the WH and 2016 could be too late.
Read this... Libya WAS a direct democracy...
http://www.mathaba.net/gci/theory/gb1.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbI-a9HDAH0&feature=player_em...
the Lybia fate is sad
simmilar as the fate of Iraq - because both proved the relative prosperity and literacy of the people can be achieved by wise using country resources. I'm not sure whether the political system there was in fact really what the Bassist socialism teached or not, but it apparently worked. In any case shame on western invaders destroying the long built peace there.