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POLL! Vote UP if you want to see GJ pushers banned. Vote DOWN if you don't

This is the DAILY PAUL. The GJ threads consistently get many "down votes" and I visit here much less since these threads started.

I'm curious how many others share my frustration. If enough members participate in this poll, perhaps the mods will address the issue.

Thanks in advance for each vote.

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What we know is right...

...and what we wish we could do sometimes isn't the same...LOL!


May not agree what Johnson supporters have to say, yet I will defend their right to say it. Just do not expect to make any progress with me, the main reasons I came to the Ron Paul movement was: A. Because I share many core beliefs with Ron Paul and B. Because of his historical awareness of the constitution.

I personally think Johnson lacks these understandings of the importance of a truly federated system that includes states to balance centralized powers and does not share my core beliefs in a small portion of very key areas.

Leave the Johnson people on here.

Banned seems a bit rash...

Banned seems a bit rash, imho...

Another term for preventive war is aggressive war- starting wars because someday somebody might do something to us. That is not part of the American tradition.
-Ron Paul

I think the D.P. is doing admirably

keeping the opposition preoccupied. Why mess with success whether it's a Johnson, Obama or Romney supporter wasting their time here? They don't have the intellectual capacity to understand that we are unwavering in our choice, much as the entire establishment and leadership of the G.O.P. suffers from and no amount of cajoling or name calling will sway our resolve.

There are no politicians or bankers in foxholes.

Gary is a legit topic for Ron Paul supporters

The Gary Johnson stuff came too early and is not entirely appropriate for the Daily Paul site, but it is a topic that interests all the DPers. We have been working on a prez election and Ron is not going to be on the general election ballot, so are we going to sit out or vote for Gary Johnson (or someone else)? It is a good question.

Banning should be reserved for egregious and offensive topics, such as personal attacks, antisemitism and over-the-cliff conspiracy nonsense. And this site has been pretty tolerant even of these things. Gary doesn't deserve to be banned.

I appreciate open discussion.

"Dedicated to restoring Constitutional government to the United States of America"

That is what the very top line on the website declares. Until I see that this site is dedicated solely to those named Paul, I will remain here.

This site has always been dedicated to liberty in all forms, despite the name. When I see that it bans anyone from speaking of liberty, I leave. When it starts banning anyone including Johnson, Napolitano, Stossel, Woods, Rockwell, Kokesh, Schiff, etal, I will find another site to post.

I voted UP. I think it is well within the rights of a site

created to discuss and promote the candidacy and ideas of a particular person to ban the promotion of, like it or not, a competing person. It's not like a John Dennis who is a Paulian in an entirely different race.

Websites make these rules. Try talking about Dr. Paul on DailyKos and see how far you get.

A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.
-- Muhammad Ali

Why would we need to ban

Why would we need to ban them? What a silly idea. Remember, you can freely ignore things you don't like on other people's websites. Isn't freedom great!!

Should we ban all Romney supporters coming here to check out Ron and lose our chance to actually influence people and enlighten us? I think not, the point is to bring people here and see what's going on. Not to preach to the choir daily.

Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. - T. Jefferson rЭVO˩ution

"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.” - BASTIAT

I know the name says Daily

I know the name says Daily Paul. I know a lot of people support Ron Paul on here (I do.). More than just the Daily Paul, this website is a great source for the greater liberty movement. I consider Gary Johnson supporters part of that movement. I like Johnson. I like Paul more, but if it's Obama, Romney, and Johnson, I'm voting for Johnson. I think those people should be allowed to speak their minds. I am not afraid of people whose views do not square up exactly with mine. Don't turn in to the enemy by trying to silence groups of people. I welcome them with open arms, as do most people on this site, judging by the -155 count at the moment.

Lets to Gary Johnson what the Republicans try to do wtih Ron Pau

Lets completely shoot ourselves in the head....


Who are you the Government? Does freedom of speech mean nothing to you??? Maybe you should be banned!

You're welcome

for my downvote.

Take some education on having a Plan B, kids. It's a fools paradise where one thinks they can exist without more than one plan.

Freedom is Messy...

Enough with the banning already! YOu want someone else to keep this site all clean and presentable for your and exclude others with views you do not agree with?...like I said, Freedom is messy and this a forum that believes in FREEDOM and LIBERTY and free expression and that requires tolerance of divergent views! This forum has taught me this very lesson. My advice to those who don't want to read about GJ is to refrain from clicking on the GJ posts!

Take personal responsibility for what your index finger is doing don't make Michael or the mods do it for you.

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

Change It To

...do you want to see John Ashman banned from disrupting the entire site by saying the same things over and over with absolutely no substance and continuously showing disrespect for Dr. Paul and all of his supporters...

....then you would see plenty of up-votes. Not to ban a person, but a behavior that is about to drive most of us away.


John is a Plan B guy

Ron first and Gary if Ron can't get the nom. That is his stance and it's mine as well. He has more substance in one sentence than the entirety of your existence here. Plan B is necessary to exist in any situation.

I've read some of John

I've read some of John Ashman's posts, and I haven't noticed any disrespect. Can you show me evidence?

“If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

Come now, I'm not nearly that

Come now, I'm not nearly that powerful. But thanks for thinking me so.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

Gary Johnson's name should be banned

after all this is the daily Paul. Gary Johnson doesn't even want to take on the Federal Reserve, he thinks it can be fixed. That is like saying a den of vipers won't bite if you stick your hand on them.

I know I will get down voted for this but who cares, I got kicked off many of sites for defending Ron Paul whats one more.

Surviving the killing fields of Minnesota

Todays brainwashing: GMO's are safe


gets to ignore reality, here there are many who will make you take it in.

Actually, he has said

Actually, he has said repeatedly that he will sign a bill that bans it if he has the opportunity.

He would also sign a bill that does anything to limit the powers of the Fed or "audits" it or in any other way minimizes its damage to the US and the world.

This is the same exact position as Ron Paul, who is now trying to get the Fed audited.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

Gary Johnson said on his own website

ending the FED would be a waste of time when there are more serious issues at hand. This was March of 2011 maybe he has flipped or flopped from that now. I was trying to choose between Ron Paul and Gary Johnson at the time, and GJ wishy washy attitude towards the FED pushed me to Paul.

I did a web search on GJ and the FED today, and now I get a different picture of him. I think he is trying to get the Paul supporters over to his side.

Surviving the killing fields of Minnesota

Todays brainwashing: GMO's are safe

I don't recall him ever

I don't recall him ever saying that, but I generally agree with that.

I think that the End the Fed thing is something of a distraction for Congress when truly, Congress is the biggest problem in the country. Sure, audit the Fed. End the Fed. But it won't do that much without putting Congress back in their bottle. Gary's philosophy is to veto the living crap out of Congress and force them to override him. 67 votes, not 51. Big difference.

But he apparently listened to the arguments for ending it and said "okay, that makes sense, sure, if you bring me the bill, I'll sign it". I don't think he is going to be out there beating on the idea when, yes, there are other things that are really critical right now. And it's someting that most people just don't get, so he's not going to burn political capital on it, he'll let the appropriate Congressmen do that.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

I am a hypocrite and here's why:

I have absolutely no problem with Gary Johnson supporters posting here. I assume most of them are Ron Paul supporters who have decided to vote for GJ if RP does not get the Republican nomination. I personally am still undecided if I will write-in RP or vote for GJ should RP not get the nomination. I know GJ is not "perfect" or as "pure" as Ron Paul but I think he's pretty close. And I think he'd be a lot better than Romney or Obama.

I am a hypocrite because had the question been asked about Mitt Romney pushers, I would have voted to ban them. My reasoning would be GJ supporters are genuine freedom fighters, MR supporters are just spamming the site. So, I guess I would be considered intolerant of Romney pushers.

Ban someone out of annoyance?

Hardly a just and fair system of determining if someone ought to be banned from a freedom-loving site. The Johnson supporters can be as annoying as they want ^_^

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine

They can stay

However, I truly believe that GJ is a hack. I won't get into why I think so, but I believe he is setup as a distraction. I have come to grips that I won't be voting for him. I would rather write in Ron Paul or not vote at all.

Okay, but why do you think

Okay, but why do you think he's "a hack"? I'm all ears.

He does have an 8 year track record of successful governance and grew a multi$million business out of nothing.

What about that do you find concerning?

I mean, look, last time, .05% of voters wrote in Ron Paul.

Let's say he gets four times that this year. .2%.

But any vote that helps Johnson get to 5% in the election helps the liberty movement.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

If he was truely looking out for this nations best interest

he would have been at Paul's side from the beginning and not having supporters wasting their time lurking here attempting to siphon off support.

There are no politicians or bankers in foxholes.



He announced his decision to run a month before Ron Paul did. Ron Paul had been acting as though he had no interest in running.

But Gary Johnson is a better candidate than Ron Paul, if only by a bit. If Ron Paul had the nation's best interest at heart, he would immediately endorse Gary Johnson after Tampa (if not yesterday), rather than sell his endorsement to Mittens, which is almost certainly what he is doing.

How do we siphon off support from a citizen that isn't running for President? I don't understand what you're trying to say.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

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John Ashman

You are getting annoying.

And this is the reason why: You are trying to use rational argument to swing people. But rational argument doesn't work when you come down to fundamentalism. There are (at least) two fundamental reasons why some Ron Paul supporters will never support GJ: Right to life and foreign policy. Ron Paul never made Right to Life a big deal in his campaigning because (I suspect) he saw that as a divisive, emotional issue. Nothing can come of it but argument. People believe what they believe because that's what they believe on that one. It is a wedge issue, and wedges serve to divide. Permenently.

Two is foreign policy. We've all read and heard his interventionist rhetoric. Which is why a bunch of others won't support him either. I'm not a fan of what I've heard there.

And a bunch of other people here won't support him for the same reason many people chose not to support Ron Paul: Because of his annoying supporters.

So I'd appreciate it if you stopped to think about that a little. With your behavior, you're starting to turn people off to your candidate. Like many Ron Paul supporters did without knowing it - you're harming the image of your candidate.

Please don't think you're going to come here and flip a bunch of Ron Paul supporters by pleading your case. We all know who he is. We've all heard of him. Everyone here has pretty much got their mind made up. That kind of defines the core Ron Paul supporters and we are the only ones left around here now.

so I'd say that if you think the best strategy to get votes for GJ is to come here and try to swing Ron Paul supporters, I'd say its a dumb strategy. You need to think bigger than that. Just look at all the resistance you get here. This is not fertile ground. You need to go with the flow, not against it.

Is there a "daily johnson?" (BTW, I used to own the domain "DailyJohnson.com" thinking that if GJ was going to be a distraction early on, I would have a place to send all you misplaced GJ supporters. When it was clear that GJ was no threat, I let the domain expire.) (Somehow it did always sound like it would make a better porn site than a political site).

But seriously - is there a Johnson community online, like the Daily Paul? That would be step one. Get everyone together, on the same page.

I do visit reddit's Johson Page from time to time. http://www.reddit.com/r/garyjohnson

It is a little like visiting a different planet. Or like visiting China. Everything looks the same, but the underlying structure is different.

Step 1. Community.

Step 2 - You need an event. Something that calls attention to your man. This media environment is so noisy you have to scream to be heard. But that scream would have to be in character - the role of course being "Presidential candidate." He couldn't come out wearing a meat dress, like Lady GaGa. No one would hear him. They'd just laugh at his meat dress.

Obviously you don't have enough moolah to buy ads. At any rate, ads wouldn't be effective at this point. He needs name recognition first.

So he needs some kind of a stunt that leads to a breakout in the media. With Ron Paul it was the showdown with Giuliani at the debate in May 2007. That is when everyone sat up and perked up their ears. That was unusual. No one expected it.

So that's what you need! Some kind of a big stunt to get name recognition. Something everyone agrees with. Off the top of my head, I would say the messages should be: End the wars, and end the income tax. Hit both of those as hard as possible. End the Fed is too esoteric. People don't understand it. With those two messages, you draw votes from both Obama and Romney. Both messages have a certain amount of mass appeal. And you need mass appeal. Paul never had what you could call 'mass appeal' aside from here on the Daily Paul.

You need to be bigger than that, which is why you shouldn't be hanging around here. People here have made up their mind. All you're doing is annoying people at this stage. And as the vote total above shows, we're not banning you, but that doesn't mean we like all this inane arguing about Johnson.

Johnson needs an event; a stunt; a moment; a soundbite that makes everyone perk up. It is not too late. Remember that Scott Brown YouTube that went viral? "With all due respect sir, it is not the Kennedy Seat, it is not the Democratic Party's seat, it is the people's seat." - forward to :30. What dumb luck. He didn't even know what he said. You can see it in his delivery. Then it got picked up and rebroadcast on all networks: MSM, YouTube, Twitter, the blogs, Facebook…

That's what you need. Something like that.

Ross Perot had his graphs. John Andersen had that white hair…(Actually, I have no idea what Anderson had that got him into those debates. I was only 12 at the time. But see! It does happen from time to time. Anderson was what? 1980? And Perot 92? We're overdue to have a third guy on stage. Johnson actually could do it.

But again, if you think flipping Ron Paul supporters is the way to that, you're mistaken. If you're serious about winning, don't waste your, and our time here.

"But if only all those Ron Paul supporters would just support Johnson!" you think. It is as unrealistic as Ron Paul supporters thinking, "If ten million people donate $100 to the next money bomb, that will be a billion dollars!"

It ain't here babe.

BUT! When you get up to 12%, and you need a little push, and if Ron Paul ain't the nominee, let us know. I like an underdog. (As well as The Underdog)

He's the man.