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Sophistry, a favorite tool of the MSM and Politicians. Learn to recognize it.

Sophistry is unreasonable argumentation that suggests that if you aren't persuaded by it, you're being unreasonable.

Reasonable argumentation never works by appealing to the principle that if you don't go along with it, you're being unreasonable. Reasonable argumentation persuades by bringing up facts and ideas that are genuinely and reasonably persuasive and enlightening. It moves your beliefs naturally, without your having to decide that you "should" believe the conclusion. There is no guarantee that your conclusion will be right, but your understanding of the matter at hand will at least be better informed and more refined.

Notice how often individuals in positions of power us the pharse (or one similar) “We just don’t have the data!” They do this constantly because they know if there’s any unresolved element at all, in any situation, most people will instantly default to the official Government explaination.

Similarly as we Ron Paul supports know first hand, if we tell people that what they’ve been told isn’t true, they no longer think we’re trustworthy. But if we reinforce the false notion they’ve been fed by the government and the media, they have no problem trusting us. So are we are expected to avoid telling people the truth about everything all the time because we might risk being seen as untrustworthy?

Sophistry can also include the calculated use of fallacy. This is not meant as an alternative as in a different meaning, but simply a different way of saying the same thing. Anyone engaging in a real argument (as opposed to simply a fight) will attempt to appeal to reason. Using a fallacy is cheating and should be a clear sign that you are arguing with a liar...which is pointless, so move on.

Once you start thinking about Sophistry when listening to people speak...like Bernanke, Obama, Press Sec, hell, ANYONE who is in a position of power and must tell bold face lies...it's absolutely comical how they have mastered these cunning methods of deception. Until more people wake up to the ways in which they are bing lied to without even noticing...things will continue on the road to tyranny.

Enjoy your day all!

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Sophistry

Thanks for the post, go213mph. I see the behavior you described all the time in the media and from people in positions of say-so. Your post brought this topic back into my line of vision to watch out for. The more we talk about what we recognize the liars and propagandists do, the more people we can influence to support freedom. Thanks again, go.

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

Teachers of the Law.

secular & religious, both claim authority, their talks are long -winded. Since they are now the 'elite' the paid mercenaries in the media do the talking for them - add diplomacy, or duplicity.

Windy Words Result in Robbery; Comment on News Tonight

Sometimes discourse requires great length, but, yes, some teachers' compositions or speeches are windy -- are without substance and say nothing good whose occupancy of time and space amounts to robbery.

Related, I know little about minster Louis Farrakhan other than he called out the Rothschilds and the rest of the global bankers, but I wonder what I saw tonight on media shill Lou Dobbs' show about Farrakhan is the beginning of media attacks/tactic on anyone applying names to -- that is, identifying who's involved in -- central banking.

Dobbs said Farrakhan is anti-Semitic as if to say anti-Jewish. Peculiar. A Semite is a Middle Easterner, right? If so, will this Dobbs' notation -- an exclusion of all nonJewish Semites -- spread if talk about central banking becomes common among the people, people who probably won't even discuss central banking in assigning blame on an ethnicity but on the very people foisting drudgery on people worldwide? If this instance using the modified definition of Semite spreads, freedom people will have to contend the anti-Semite charge, which should be easy because it's a straw man argument. A straw man argument is a diversion argument through omission or exclusion that's so weak it falls from the slightest counter argument. (The straw man argument is without substance, hence the word straw, something easily movable.) But here, will the counter argument surface or will it be suppressed?

Spotting logic fallacies such as straw men comes down to the individual. Does the individual want to learn, want to know? If he learns, he will see the media heads for what they are, frauds.

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

Distortion, not Diversion

A straw man argument is a diversion argument....

Diversion? Maybe. I think I should have said distortion. Still, omission, or exclusion, is involved. Either it's deliberate or accidental.

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

Farrakhan Endorses Ron Paul,

when I Googled the above many items appeared.
we enjoyed the Cal Vrs Stanford ballgame.

Freedom sure does bring

Freedom sure does bring people together, doesn't it? All kinds. And it should.

I'm glad you enjoyed the Cal vs. Stanford game, which used to be their last game of the season and known as The Big Game where a shortened ax is on a plaque they battle for each year. I forgot what the ax represents, though. Irrespective of the ax, the game still is The Big Game. Anyway, yeah, what a game it was. I was a very young boy then. I have vague memories of the game, but I remember cheering on Cal because my dad went there and he'd talk about games then, as he does today. While I grew up, so often did I pay attention to Cal games in basketball and football that I wanted to attend Cal. I didn't attend Cal, but to this day I feel as though I did. At football games, the crowd chants "Rolll ooon youuuuuu Beaaaarrrsss." That's fun to do. I say here, Rolll ooon youuuuuu RPerrrrrrsss (or freeee meeeeen and womeeeeeen).

Go, Bears. Go, Ron Paul. The (New) Play.

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

Wonderful insight go213mph!!

Didn't quite have the words to describe these "methods" of deception but I have noticed them more often as my awakening deepens. It seems our human instinct is emerging and one can feel untrustworthiness in others.

Also, your conversation with 'bear' is fantastic and I know what they mean by the awakening process going through a time of 'discomfort' as these hidden realities shake up and sometimes even shatter our conditioned belief systems. It's not a nice feeling when your whole life seems like a lie. But the Truth at the other end of the tunnel is beyond satisfying. To finally glimpse at the fragments of real Truth is not only encouraging for our future but also inspiring to seek more of it.

I'm glad to see that we can come together and have such respectful conversations in cooperation with spreading info and Truth to one another. These are the actions that are paving a new free future for us all. We are all going through these changes together no matter what your cultural or religious background may be. The "awakening" has provided people with "new eyes" with which to read between the lines of many ancient texts and we find many common threads that keep it all together. We know that Division is "their" game and have done a great job at dividing us in countless ways. But we know that now and I am thrilled to see so many "seeing through the veil" and working together.

Made my day guys! Thanks!!

PS. go213mph, I like your profile pic ;) thanks for using it!!

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Thanks Freedom Ninja!

I agree with everything you said. I learned a long time ago that what really matters is that we all learn to let each other use our liberty how ever we choose as long as it doesn't harm or damage someone elses person or property.

Religion is tough for parties when trying to remain civil since there is a lot of passion on both sides. Since I was active in the church for 35 years and I went though not only waking up to reality but also the very uncomfortable feeling associated with letting go of God...I know how quickly people can get upset and defensive when it comes to beleif systems.

Bear is one of maybe 3 (people of faith) on this site that has still remained civil with me after they found out I'm a non-beleiver. It feels good to be able to celebrate the things we have in common and steer clear of areas where our views don't line up.

It takes practice to learn to reply vs RESPONDING without first thinking....but after you practice enough times...it gives you a feeling of personal satisfaction knwning you CAN control your emotions and behavior. At least it does me :)

Your username reminds me of the so called NINJA mortgages that were so popular in 2003-2007 No Income, No Job, No Assets. (No Problem...you qualify)

Enjoy your day,

Agreed!

Cooperation, not competition, is the way forward for true liberty. We're all in this together.

Just wanted to quickly touch on a couple points you made.

I too "let go of God" but amazingly, in doing so, I have discovered a spiritual aspect to life that I've learned is a completely individual experience. You cannot preach it, you can only seek and reach it. And how I've done that is (relating to another point you made) by paying attention to my emotions and using the power of thought to "navigate" my e-motion (energy in motion) into a positive place where one then can think clearer, find inspiration, be a positive influence and example to others, and so on. The more I did it the more things just seemed to work in my favor and problems either didn't seem so bad or just became a challenge to work through, overcome and grow. Basically just trying to hold a state of "love" for any situation seemed to "guide" me to doing the right thing.

All of that sort of led me back to some fundamental principles found in almost every major religion. It has helped me to see a unity between them and more importantly I can see the corruption that has distorted those principles to further divide us—a tactic we see used in every industry on earth such as politics, medicine, finance, etc.

There's an effort to Perpetuate Lies but Truth has its own Momentum that requires no imposition on an individual. They will naturally "find their way" to it, it seems. A water dam is placed in the way of a flowing river that doesn't require anyone to "push it" on its way—Curtains need to be drawn to extinguish any points of light, yet the smallest spark in a dark room causes all darkness to scatter with no effort.

It seems we have a world full of metaphors to help us understand some universal principles and it all leads to "something" Good. Like having a great mutually respectful conversation with a stranger on a blog :)

You have a great day as well—no matter what it throws at you ;)

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Good Stuff! Ninja

Your version of spirituality I can live with. It reminds me of yoga or meditation. Those things quiet our inner self...they help with racing thoughts and the strange habit our brains have gotten into of always wanting to go 90mph.

It's so cool, like you said, to make every effort to never get mad and always just pause and think logically before deciding what decison is best for whatever situation has arisen. The only time I get mad now is when I catch myself returning to an old default reactive (normally negitive) response to something my wife says or something that happens to me like when I stub my toe.

I shouldn't expect perfection from myself but when I lose it...even for 30 seconds...I let the situation beat me and I'm like DAMN IT...I just missed a great opportunity to exhibit how much power I have over my reactions....and blew it. Now I have to wait until I stub my toe again or wait until someone offends me before I get the opportunity to experience how it feels to be competely in control when dealing with something completely out of my control. It's a powerful feeling to win those little battles...if you know what I mean.

I used to listen to relaxing sounds at night to help me sleep. For the past several years, my wife and I go to sleep listening to liberty podcasts or audio books...mostly about freedom or stateless societies. It's weird because even while we are sleeping when we wake up we both feel like a little more knowledge about freedom and liberty is burned into our subconscience.

Cheers,

I can resonate with all of that :)

Meditation has been the most important tool in my life and it simply requires you to sit and do nothing. But man is it ever hard!? At first at least. I have gotten so deep into meditative states and experienced things unlike any "high". There's so much power in that stillness.

Isn't it great how you're given one opportunity after another to expand your awareness of Self? Exactly what you said about stubbing the toes. haha best advice I can give is to laugh even if you have to fake it. I used to get so mad at things that I'd hit myself on, I would hit them.... yeah makes lots of sense right? There will always be a Yin for the Yang.

I listen to some meditation music/tones almost daily at random times during the day. If I feel a desire to I usually will. I get my fill of liberty news throughout the day (usually at work haha). My wife and I listen to tracks of ocean waves. She used to like thunderstorms but after we went to Hawaii it's been nothing but ocean waves ever since. So relaxing. I sometimes even put earbuds on and meditate myself to sleep. I like to play with self awareness and the subtle nudges in and out of different states.

Convo's gettin' deep man :)

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Another tool: flattery

Flattery is very good at blinding people to the faults of the person flattering them. On the right, they are led to believe that they are righteous, "God's own party," and such, because of the focus on pro-life and pro-family issues and Christian freedoms. On the left, they believe that they "have a heart" because they focus on caring for the poor and the underprivileged, and on being loving and tolerant of people different from themselves. Because each group flatters themselves into thinking that they true are these things, they can't see their own hypocrisy, and will disbelieve anything that stabs holes in their flattering self-image.

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine

Soph(IRS)try

Neologisms

A patriot must always be prepared to defend his country from his government.

"You've got to be honest, ...

if you can fake that, you've got it made."
George Burns

"The need to mischaracterize an opponent's position betrays weakness in one's own."
Me :-)

re - Statement by Me :-)

+1 for the header, -1 for the middle sentence,

and +1 for AndyArchy = "Me :-)" =
"The need to mischaracterize an opponent's position betrays weakness in one's own."

All of us will learn something useful please elaborate/ extend. thanks.

usually only quasi-literate people as the o'reilly or hannity

ilk are the types clobbered by these types of argument.. 'oh you are incompassionate'.. 'oh you want people dying in the streets'.. you never hear paul getting clogged up or even called with those terms, for people who have their way with words and are not pretend-linguistic experts like o'reilly with pseudo constitutional understanding

Hegelian Dialectic

...the liberals' unconscious way of argument ....thanks to the Dpt of Education.

Looking forward to reading

Looking forward to reading your links!

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Humor is a quick way to show lies

as in this website that deconstructs one of Obama's: http://www.dailypaul.com/245266/website-spoofs-obamas-notori...

Being able to lie and lie convincingly

Is their greatest skill. Psychopaths can do it as easily as you and I breathe.

This may sound really out there to all except those who may have studied these areas a bit - but I am convinced that within the words spoken by the likes of Obama is a form of mass hypnosis and/or...for lack of a better term, some sort of Kabbalah "spell".

there is also

a stealth sophistry practiced by the media.
such as:
9/11 done by Muslims
If you dont think our military should be PROTECTING OUR SECURITY around the world, then you're unreasonable.
Oh yes and if you dont think PROTECTING OUR SECURITY means killing people(US citizens or foreigners in yemen, farmers in afghanistan etc.) darker than the white folks, then you're unreasonable.

Here's another one:

If you dont agree with and buy into increasing taxes to militarize your police force then you're unreasonable. I mean for cryin out loud, you arent hysteric over the fact there are fifteen gangs and drug lords waiting around every corner of your small town/city?

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson

I'm listening to C-span,

starring Janet Napolitano before the Homeland Security oversight committee. (It's reminiscent of Holder and Sen. John Cornyn 's exchange. Lot of hostility towards Janet's lying, her attempts to deceive the committee.)

Then it dawned on me, there's two parts to freedom of speech: the right to speech and the right to question the speech. It's the right to ask questions that we're losing on. Our representatives are too remote.

Sophistry never holds up under scrutiny. Under questioning.

The challenge is, how to get their attention so we can challenge their daily sophistry? Our right to participate is what I see slipping away from us. It seems to me, it's best done, face to face.

"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina

You're correct. Asking the right questions exposes them.

Example:

R. Paul: "Is gold, money?"

Bernanke: "Uh....no."

R. Paul: "Then why does the Federal Reserve hold it?"

;)

In addition to RP, I think Ben Swann

is truly the best "Sophistry Buster" I've seen in my lifetime.

Week in and week out he picks his battle, tears it down, questioning, looking for each false supposition. Then exposes an entirely different problem/cause than what's been fed to us by MSM, the Fed, and govt.

His latest, "Fiat Dollar Is The Real Reason For Higher Oil Prices" is brilliant. [See today's DP post: "Ben Swann gets Reality Checked."]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UH6hzAQdSE

"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina

I agree completely.

Ben Swann is a truth warrior of the highest degree.

And he was home-schooled!

And he was home-schooled! With a master's degree by age 16! All at home! I'm not sure how relevant this is, but Ben Swann makes me want to home school my yet-unborn children at any cost.

While I fully agree

I run into a LOT of folks who, as intelligent, analytical, and astute as they may be, have a terrible habit of 'rationalizing' when they've been mislead. Most people hate being lied to, but when facts are presented that are contrary to their longstanding beliefs, for whatever reason they try to shrug it off. I suppose it's a symptom of what is called cognitive dissonance.

That is the story of my life.

"It Is Easier To Fool People Than To Convince People That They Have Been Fooled." -- Mark Twain

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain