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Dimitry Orlov: Seizing the mid-collapse moment

A recording of the public lecture by Dmitry Orlov on 9 June 2009, at the Davenport Hotel, Dublin, Ireland.

If you haven't heard of Mr. Orlov before give him a listen now. It will be an eye opener as he draws comparisons and highlights differences between the Soviet collapse and the ongoing collapse of the US.

My apologies if this has been posted before, I didn't see any matches with the search tool.

http://youtu.be/MFD_OesaU2k



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hey NY4RP,

I just linked to your thread on a new Orlov thread related to the recent Boston Bombings, as per Mayor Nystrom's request:

http://www.dailypaul.com/283322#comment-3054305

Separate thread:

http://www.dailypaul.com/283352/dmitry-orlov-engineer-ussr-c...

and also updated your YT link; the one posted above has been removed. Here's the new one: http://youtu.be/RxQshxrkR9M

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

i watched this a few days ago

After reading MNystroms comment. I am glad i checked back to read the new comments since then. Very interesting. Thanks for giving me some perspectives everyone.

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Dmitiri's clarity about the resilience of

Russians vs Americans is worth consideration. Since our culture is far more fractured and dependent for physical survival on centralized, corporate services vulnerable to disruption, awakened Americans need to be transitioning to independence. Not a new message, but one it takes considerable time to really implement.

He said two useful things..1

He said two useful things..1 Barter is good..and ?? well he said 1 useful thing..barter is good..
I don't have a problem letting people squat in my home later when the SHTF...
but the fossil fuels..and how americans cant' let another house touch theirs..and how they have to have green...well concrete america or any other place isn't so useful or the way God intended...he did invent green he didn't invent concrete...he has a sort of arrogance about him..when talking about the arrogance of some Americans...oh well...I listened..

"and the truth shall make you free"
John 8:32

let's get one thing straight

if there is a god, and i'm not saying that she exists......

but IF she does.....

then she definitely invented concrete.

most humans don't know how to use it wisely.
like most everything else on earth.

Kinda Funny How a Change in Venue

...as in Location, spelled "AUDIENCE" will ultimately affect the speakers "demeanor".
Dimitri's video/propaganda/infomercial from IRELAND, was quite different from this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkOY_r5SrGA&feature=related
..in which he is interviewed by RT.
NOT quite as "smug" and the sarcasm re:USA is NOT there.
He looked like an altar-boy..those Russian girls don't fall for his BS.

And although Dimitri's "infomercial from Ireland" was interesting and plays along the Alex Jones story lines; the RT Interview exposes him for what he truly is:
A Globalist-Book-Peddler with a Big-Time-Socaialism-Affection.
He's been a ward of the state since leaving USSR, and "pushes" the perception that we are all to expect BIG GOV to solve everything.

Where was the Q & A Session?...Yup...

Little Pink Houses for You and Me...sounds appetizing, doesn't it?
Besides...what Ruskie leaves there...comes here and settles in Beantown?
...He's a NWO Think-Tank-Agenda-Peddler.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Watch This Video

This gentleman presents real information on sustainability that supersedes the UN Agenda 21 BS. Real solutions from a real person IMO.

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The book

The book is available on Amazon, sold out of the U.N. bookstore, called, "U.N. Agenda for the Twentyfirst Century: Sustainable Development". $65.00.

What Dimitry Orlov has done, is read that book, made comparisons to Russia, and given us the U.N. plan for America.

When I read GuLag Archipelo by Solzenitchen, I saw the plan for the USA, that book has been the road map to our COLLAPSE BY DESIGN.

I bet the questions from the audience weren't on the video because there are people like me who attend these things and ask questions that expose these UN intel-ops for what they are, mesengers.

Richard Heinberg from Peak Oil was made into a bumbling idiot after the BP oil spill... This is NWO BS.. And if you don't want to think the UN Agenda is real, start serving me in the name of serving yourself. Let's see how well you fare doing what Demitri is suggesting. It's very wrong, and I would hope, as someone who reads Daily Paul you can point out the flaws in that speach without me spelling them out to you. (I bet I could have his boat fined for polluting the water, and poaching lobster and scallops is a crime.

Better yet, study the U.N. Agenda 21 and see for yourself. Count how many times Demitri says "Sustainable". Like 911 a sustainable collapse, blame the system, and the rich, who will still be rich, but they won't have to worry about you and me, as we will have nothing, and no way to do anything about it with no medicine, no food, no money, no transportation, but we are all happy because nature will provide.. what a pile of poop! Flowers will pick themselves, and trees will produce friuit 24 /7 if we just let them and be happy.

Wrong.

sustainable can also mean self reliant. Permaculture is a method of using natural cycles to make creating food and energy much easier and cheaper. This suggestion is NOT a UN plot. The current system is ridiculous and Unsustainable. Dimitry is advocating we start learning new systems and implementing them NOW so we can provide food for our families. Your paranoid rant is pathetic.

well this is the 4th name you

well this is the 4th name you post here under since your 3 others have been banned.. why do you waste your time?

It can, but it doesn't

Do you have a permaculture system in place? have you tried building one? I have.

Want to compare YOUR notes to mine, or just dump someones plan on me?

YOU ARE WRONG.

I live in a village that has several examples of working permaculture systems. You obviously are not smart enough to implement one. Paranoid rants like yours Granger, make this website suck.

and YOU

make this website RULE THE EARTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes,

I do improve this website.

I don't mind being wrong, as long as you can educate me

I think it takes a village to implement a great permaculture system.

I am not a village.

I love hard work, and it's a lot of very hard work, and when something goes down, it's a domino effect.

I was not able to sustain myself, animals and gardens and fullfill all my needs for food, fiber, fuel and feed.

Congratulations to ALL who did. Obviously you are far better, smarter, gifted and exceptional people abundantly blessed than I.

More POWER to you and yours.

I still have many parts in place, my aquaculture, gardens, orchard, wood trees, food forest, but I can only admit, that I was unable to do it myself, and I tried.

Yep, you need community to have

real security. That is part of the Permaculture theory. I'm not sure you understand what Permaculture is. I suggest you read this and try again. It works.
"Permaculture is an ecological design system for sustainability in all aspects of human endeavor. It teaches us how build natural homes, grow our own food, restore diminished landscapes and ecosystems, catch rainwater, build communities and much more."

if this website sucks so bad

if this website sucks so bad why do you come to it. take your 4th name about to be banned elswhere. Every other name you have posted under has the same ranting BS. I'm trying to remember your names. They will come to me. Please if you don't like it take elsewhere.

How ironic, coming from the most abusive member on the

DailyPaul. How many members have you tried to run off? Still a clown.

only abusive to those who

only abusive to those who oppose liberty, communists and trolls and you are all 3..

After all these years,

still a clown.

you think he simply read a book?

the fact that he lived in Russia (USSR) until 12, and having traveled there multiple times as an adult and witnessed their collapse first hand did not amount to anything?

GuLag Archipelago in one hell of a book

It's three tomes, and it it exceptionally well written, won a pulitzer prize in 73, and you'll have a hard time putting it down, and you will never forget much of what you read. You will think, Hitler was mild by comparison to what happened in Russia... Solzenitchen explains Israel today...

As I said, I think Demitri is UN Intel and is giving us a message of a DESIGNED collapse by giving you a picture of what the UN wants, and he wants you to follow through his first hand experience.

I don't buy it. You don't know what you've got til it's gone. That's why I'm in the RESTORE AMERICA camp, opposed to the Collapse America camp/ NWO.

I really think you are

I really think you are overreacting. I have read the Gulag Archipelago and other books about the Soviet Union, and am well aware of the many horrors imposed upon the people of the Soviet Union by their government. And yes, Lenin and Stalin were every bit as bad as Hitler, and in some ways worse. If anything they managed to murder even more noncombatants than Hitler did. (And I see Hitler as one of the worst people of the 20th century.)

But it is a simple matter of fact that the U.S. is in a vulnerable position today and a collapse is possible. Having a realistic understanding of what actually happens in such a collapse is very valuable. This collapse has not been deliberately engineered by evil UN overlords. It is a simple consequence of a country living beyond its means for decades, and the bill finally coming due.

Collapse by design

Either you want it, and participate, or you don't want it and work to RESTORE AMERICA.

You leave out the obvious

You leave out the obvious alternative -- collapse not by design, but by short sighted fools, some working in government and others voting for them. Some people just *have* to believe in a conspiracy when plain old human greed and ignorance fully explain the existing conditions.

sigh

If the U.N. Agenda 21 is conspiracy theory, why is it sold in the U.N. bookstore?

http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/

I never said that U.N. Agenda

I never said that U.N. Agenda 21 is a conspiracy. However, it has little if anything to do with the cause of our collapse. Unsustainable debts, both public and private, combined with an insane war mongering foreign policy will be the causes of any collapse.

Not To Forget CODEX ALIMENTARIS

But Nooooooooo, people don't believe THIS is HAPPENING either!
Conspiracy Theory?
The Damn UN is a petrie dish of conspiracy/agenda/NWO.
Hang in there Granger.

At Night, all the agents,
And the SUPER-Human crew,
Go out and round up everyone,
Who knows more than they do....(Bob Zimmerman;Desolation Row)

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Food for Thought

That was tasty. Thank you for sharing!

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

I could get a free house

Yeah I could just take an abandoned one. Let some bank nerd come and throw me out. He could dance off my property. lol

Collapse party at my place! BYOLB Bring Your Own Looted Beer!

"But you must remember, my fellow-citizens, that eternal vigilance by the people is the price of liberty, and that you must pay the price if you wish to secure the blessing." - Andrew Jackson