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The Reality of the Situation

We have been campaigning and supporting Dr. Paul and the Liberty Movement now for well over 5 years, and although we have come far, tyranny has advanced further. Over the course of that same 5 years of our effort, we have seen our Constitution shredded and abandoned.

We have lost Habeas Corpus and have US military routinely patrolling the streets of America. We have accepted the NDAA. The government can now disappear you at will if it so chooses. We have accepted the TSA and pat downs along with Viper squads patrolling our train and bus stations. We have watched the department of homeland security grow to a point that you see them every day in every city in America. We will now be exposed to drone surveillance and listening and watching devices.

We accepted the fact that the government has stored every bit of digital communication from us or to us for the last ten years. We have accepted Fusion centers and have sat back and poured our hearts and souls into forums and blogs. Individually we have given the Government more personal information about each one of us then we could compile about ourselves.

Make no mistake, the government now knows who you are, where you are, what you do, what you have, how much you have, and who your friends are. They know if you have a gun, they know if you go to a practice range to shoot it. They have paved the way to know everything about your health and plan to take control of your health care. They have taken over control of your public school system and determined what should be taught to your children.

They have killed 10’s of thousands around the world in the past 5 years with the use of your military, including US citizens with no trial, judge, or jury. The US government is actively engaged and providing weapons to terrorists and enflaming violence around the globe.

In the past 5 years you have witnessed an untold number of scandals and crimes committed by those in almost every department and branch of the Federal Government. You have seen guns disappear and kill US agents and have had your Department of Justice and the Attorney General scoff at the law with regard to the matter. Then you watched as Executive Privilege was claimed to hide the crime when all other lies failed.

You have watched your Secretary of Defense expound before Congress that he answers to the United Nations and not them. You have watched a multitude of Executive Orders fly from the President’s desk with each consecutive order being more outrageous than the last. Each order opening the door to Marshall Law conditions.

You have watched the Non Federal Reserve Private Bankers rape and pillage your country to the tune of 15 trillion dollars. You have seen the corporations of the world commit crime after crime and scandal after scandal until now we accept that the “money just got disappeared” from the account, nobody knows where it is. To top all of that off you have seen the entire world banking system commit, by manipulation of the Libor Index, the biggest theft of wealth the world has ever seen.

From a campaign stand point you have seen the corruption of elections, witnessed vote rigging. You have witnessed a total disregard for the rule law with the sole intent of making your voices unheard. You have witnessed the MSM report utter fabrications of the truth over and over again to support the silent PTB agenda behind it all.

You have learned of the Bilderberg’s, the CFR, and the Trilateral Commission. The Carlyle group, Bill Ayers, the Weathermen, as well having been introduced to Acorn and Occupy. You have been exposed to Architects and Engineers providing evidence of how you have been lied to.

We have come far but tyranny and the dismantling of our Republic has advanced much further. So the question I have for you is what to do, where do we go from here? Obviously, if Ron Paul wins the Republican nomination we support Dr. Paul and I do believe if that happens Ron Paul would become the next President, the Republic would be saved, and all will get well. That outcome is the easy one to answer.

But what if he doesn’t win? Evil is not going to roll over, evil is not going to say, "oh, ok we lose here is your power back" or "Oh ok we are criminals we give up". That hasn’t happened in 100 years and it is not going to happen now. Odds are we are going to lose the nomination to Mittens, it won’t be fair, it never has been, but odds are we will walk away from the convention with Mitt Romney as the Republican Nominee. Then what?

I know many will cry libertarian, Gary Johnson is the new man to save the Constitution and the Republic, the new banner of the movement. If that is the choice on Election day Gary will get my vote. But let’s be realistic here folks, after all the energy, money, and campaigning you have done for Dr. Paul over the last 5 years and the progress that’s been made. Do you really think Gary Johnson can accomplish all that and much more in the next few months, against TPTB? The answer is no.

Can he influence the election outcome? Maybe, but you are still going to get an O-rom-ba, I guarantee it. These people we are fighting against are criminals. They will go to any means to maintain power. You know that, you have all seen it. TPTB are not going to follow any rules. They will not lose. They will maintain power by gun point if necessary but they will not just say “oh, yes you are right we are evil, here you go, you can have your country back".

To say that supporting Gary will set us up for 2016 is worth nothing at this point. That has about as much resonance as “we can influence the platform”. At this point both those notions are useless. The platform is “tyranny” and by 2016 you may well be sitting in your regional FEMA Camp. Dr. Paul has led us to this place in time. He has shown us how to win back the Republic by all the legal avenues possible using the rule of law. What if this does not work, what then?

The changes are coming fast and will come faster and faster no matter which O-rom-ba wins. The jig is up and the traitors have been exposed and now blatantly flaunt their crimes in your faces, knowing they are not being held accountable. We have come far, they have come further.

We don’t have another 4 years. We have been running around the track for 5 years. Running around it again for another 4 years more will not change anything. We need to look at what we have learned. We need a different way. Continuing to repeat the same thing over and over again will get you nothing but the same results over and over.

Ron Paul has led you to this place in time. Let’s hope we exit from Tampa winners. But what if we don’t? Then what?

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Take Romney out before the convention using the net with this


This is the only conclusion I can see but everyone seems to get blown about by every wisp of the wind.

We used to work together and get things done. The media will not touch it so it is up to us to expose this to everyone and all the delegates going to the convention in Tampa if we have to.

It is the one issue that will expose him for the ruthless,no morals,doesn't give a damn how he makes money and making 60+ million on the abortion industry is in sharp contrast with Dr Pauls 4000 babies delivered and stance against abortion since he was a young doctor.

Use it or lose it.

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

This needs to get in the hand

This needs to get in the hand of every delegate going to Tampa. Who has a list? We had them before when we were telling people which delegates to vote for at the primary. At least we need to make sure our delegates know this and can share it with other delegates.

2 Arks =

= 2 Choices

1. Noah's Ark, = withdrawal, secure the Self. Detach your'self from tyranny, and the great majority living in or under the pyramid of the PTB, the world of $in. Live in smaller communities, a village, share Word & bread. The association is voluntary, no coercion, no trickery, close to Nature, in/on the Safe'Way.

2. Ark of The Covenant, (a) stay & uphold Law, & take charge, get involved, is better with large numbers, replace current holders of office, uphold & enforce the Constitution.
(b) The Ten Commandments, step forward with the Tablets, this is a universal code, No sect, cult, bias or prejudice. Be not shy of upholding the 10=C, a basic Code for mankind, etched in stone, immutable.
There will be little hope If mankind will not accept 10=C = where there is no oppression or tyranny. Those who have advantage in the present set-up will not agree to live as civil society. Then you have to revert to the 1st choice.

You may as well have entitled this.

Why We Must Still Vote Ron Paul. (and why we must still and yet work on getting others to come OUR WAY!)

So, what do we do? We continue the lawsuit(s) against the criminal enterprise that is the GOP of most states and RNC. We have to ALL jump on board, rather than jumping ship. When we hear the "nattering-naybobs of negativity" (to quote anther Texas president), especially those who say they are on the side of liberty, we MUST question their intention and must not pass-on their video and.or audio messages. We have to not think, "what if this smart internet-radio guy with such a following knows more about Ron Paul than me, and what he says should be heard?", without really questioning WHY these people are jumping-ship. I think most people know to whom I am referring (and it's more than just one so-called Ron Paul supporter-pundit).
We have to always consider the source and what's in it for the source.

And, aside from joining in on the suit via ElectionFraudRemedy.com, we HAVE to stay strong and stick together. We have to stay on the side of RIGHT and simply not give in because some guy with a radio show wants us to give in or give up. These same people are in it to help themselves and right not, helping themselves stay online does not necessarily include continuing to support PAUL.
Listen to Ron Paul. Pay attention to HIS videos, and not others (or letters, posts, etc...) put out by "his" campaign. Again, we've seen a lot of ship-jumping and those who would jump-ship, now, before it is over? Really do not deserve our respect or our following. If it does not come directly from the mouth of RON PAUL, please ignore it, or at least, QUESTION IT!

We had SOME proof, but RNC does not care about Rules n Laws- they just break and then change 'em to suit whomever (not PAUL).

No, it was not LBJ or GWB who uttered "nattering nabobs"

It was former Vice President Spiro Agnew, famous for his alliteration.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

No doubt. We should continue

No doubt. We should continue to persue every avenue possible through all the legal options that remain available. But you must know that once the convention ends, no matter what legal issues remain unanswered and unresolved, they will have announced a winner and the MSN will be running with it.

In reality that is what has been done already. The Republican convention most likely will be a 5 night Romney informercial to the general semi-disinterested flock of sheep.

It is pretty much a given that any legal issues pending will be strung out, appealed and not be resolved until well after the general election. So what are you going to do if Ron Paul's name is not on the ballot?

Write him in?

Appeal to the Electorial college to to cast thier vote for Ron Paul? Realizing he will not have been on the ballot and certainly will not have won the election outright.

Perhaps a start a Ron Ron Paul / Gary Johnson Lib. ticket campaign?

Vote for Gary Johnson?


Just asking, not judging.

ecorob's picture

i love the piece...

Thought you might offer a part of a solution?

I'll have to think on mine.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Hey Erob,"GOOBERMENT" loves

Hey Erob,

"GOOBERMENT" loves and takes our money.

"THE PEE THAT BE" loves and takes our money.

The "2 FAT 2 FAIL" loves and takes our money.

"WE" keep working our asses off.

"WE" keep giving them our money.


"WE" should stop!

That would be non violent and victimless. Stock up, stay home, and enjoy. Peace Brother.

I Guess The Only Solution Here...

I guess the only solution here is to take up arms. If a total surveillance state and all this power you mentioned the government has couldn't prevent the shooting at that movie theater in Colorado, how is it going to stop thousands of people from taking up arms?

Because that guy was no

Because that guy was no threat to them so they were not looking. The citizens are not the governements concern. The government is the governments concern.

See what I mean

These are the people that are a threat to the governemnt. Just like the novel "Animal Farm". The pigs and thier dog protectors.

MSM version


What really happened


Be that as it may...

Be that as it may, it just goes to show you that government power and surveillance is totally useless when it comes to tragedies like that.

Can't say I disagree. Maybe

Can't say I disagree. Maybe in reality we are concerned for nothing because the governemnt is more like the Cheif, 99, and Max in a half hour sir-com. LOL

Someone On Another Thread Said:

Someone on another thread said this: "If you are convinced you have no power and the government is all-powerful, freedoms are easily taken."

If Its and Butts Were Candy and Nuts...

....this would be a hell of a world to live in...

We could fix half our problems right now if all Paulites made

it our first priority to call for Obama to be kicked out of office and then they would have to throw all his legislation out.

What are we waiting for? How can we organize this?


Yeah, some, like the ACA

Yeah, some, like the ACA which I never thought could be passed. But a lot of other stuff has died, been vetoed, whatever, so we'll see. But usually a President is MUCH less effective in his second term. The ACA is about all he can ever get done.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

No---I mean Congress has to address his eligibility AT ALL and

we the people need to harass congress to get this done. They have no business going forward until this is solved. It is OUR job to call Congress every day till they address this.


Ah. Well, no, sorry, I don't

Ah. Well, no, sorry, I don't buy into the idea that he isn't eligible. Not qualified? Sure. Unprepared? Absolutely. Ineligible? Let's stay on the sane path on that one, it diminishes the movement to get into conspiracy theories.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

Perhaps support Sheriff Joe.

Perhaps support Sheriff Joe. But it seems to me that congress will not act and as Sheriif Joe's reputation goes so goes that fight. The smear campaign on him has all ready begun and he has the feds breathing down his neck. Hope he has better security than Brietbart. The MSM would not touch the Sheriffs press comference last week.

Then we'd have to spend time

Then we'd have to spend time and energy to throw out Robamney and undo all of his damage.

Right now, Congress and the President are fighting and doing nothing. That's NOT a terrible situation.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

They must be somerhing,

They must be somerhing, because alot of bad stuff has come down in the last 5 years.

ecorob's picture

don't you ever...

Get tired of that?

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Nope! If all they did for

Nope! If all they did for the next 4-8 years was nothing, that would really be better than what we have had. Look at what happened with all Republicans. They went NUTS. We could be in the same situation after November. Mitt Romney won't cut the military. WTF???

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

Denise B's picture

We continue to press on,

we have to, because the only other option is to give up, which really is no option at all. I admit, there are a lot of discouraging events going on, but at the same time, there is also alot of encouraging things happening as well. People are beginning to wake up...The state's rights issue is really starting to pick up steam, Utah has passed a sound money bill, other states are in the process of nullifying Obominationcare and other unconstitutional measures (Virginia and others), I think it was Arkansas who just kicked the Agenda 21 crew out of their state, hatred of the Fed is at an all time high and hopefully we are finally going to get an audit of them...things are starting to happen and we just need to keep making sure that they do.

This really is a numbers game, so the top priority has to be reaching as many people as you can with the truth and continue to grow our numbers. I know that they have put a lot of horrifying, unconstitutional provisions into effect, but the truth is, they cannot begin to use alot of them without waking up and pissing off a lot more people in the process. They are walking a fine line right now as it is.

My advice, whether Ron Paul gets the nomination or not, would be to do everything you can to influence legislation in your state to combat the Feds never ending encroachment, because these are areas where battles can be won. Devvy Kidd just did a great article on it: http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd544.htm

Also, I've seen a couple of good videos of people following their reps. around challenging them on NDAA and other unconstitutional provisions. This is a great tactic (make sure however, you do not threaten and stick to the facts) because these reps. are only people afterall, and if they get challenged like this enough (have to look somebody in the face and explain why it's okay to take his/her rights away), they are going to start thinking a little more about what they do.

Also, be prepared for whatever may come, the best that you can afford to. Make sure you have firearms at home, and also stored somewhere else safe, so that if they bang your door down in the middle of the night to take your guns before you can react...you'll still have another one or two you can get to later if need be. Make sure you have extra ammo also. Have extra food and water available also.

Keep working, keep praying, keep chipping away and don't give up hope. It would be great if we could get a website started, or even a separate section on this site too, where you can post strictly areas where success has been had, personally or on a state or fed. level. People need to hear about these things (and they are starting to happen more and more) to keep from getting totally discouraged.

And for those of us than can find the courage to do so, stop submitting to what their doing. Demand that your rights be respected if someone seeks to violate them. Yes, this can be dangerous and come at a cost, but this is a war after all, and there is going to be some casualties...not something anyone really looks forward to being, but sometimes that is what it takes....

Awesome, so your obejective

Awesome, so your obejective is to not wait for another 4 years and another election cycle and move to take power back from the federal government through a redress of the grievances and by continuing to push the states to reclaim thier rights through non compliance with federal government mandates and laws.

Would you go as far as to promote individual states voting for sussesion from the union if the demands on the Federal Government were not obtainable any other way?

We would need to find some govenors with some very big basket balls. Have any in mind? Tough to do when a good portion of the states have no money and are dependent upon the goverment payments.

Just curious, not condeming.

Denise B's picture

Yes, I think

that ultimately that is where the solution lies...with individual state's re-claiming the power that has been usurped from them. There really has been a lot of movement in that direction in a lot of different areas (not nearly enough yet, but at least the process has been started). The 10th Amdendment Center is a good example of a group that is working to make that happen.. http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/
Working from the top down is most likely not going to work (short of a Ron Paul win - but even then he can't do it by himself), but if we can wake enough people up, it can be achieved from the bottom up, although it is going to take a lot of patience and hard work.

As far as secession goes, I am not opposed to the idea as a last resort option; however, there has to be a lot of ground work done before that can even be contemplated...starting with a sound money bill being implemented (state's don't need federal money when they have a system in place to start printing their own if necessary) and yes, you need state reps. and governors in place who will have the guts to do what needs to be done....that is another area you can focus on - getting constitutionalists elected whereever you can...local town & state.

The most important thing is not to give up, or lose hope because that is when they win. There are millions of us now and if we all stay focused on the prize (winning our freedom back), and refuse to give up, great things can happen. :)

If the states printed

If the states printed currency wouldn't it just be a Fiat currency as well. I don't think the states have assets that would be suitable to back a sound money currency. I could be wrong but I don't think states hold assets like gold or siver.

I think more likely states would need to ban together and allow alternate currencies. Bitcoin is an interesteing concept.

Hey wait a minute, States banding together to try and stand up to to tyrants, Didn't we try that once already. LOL

Isn't it nice when you can

Isn't it nice when you can steal someone's money and only give some of it back if they do what you want?

We need to find people that call governmental strings and earmarks what they are.


"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"


You are so right Denise B. I'm out knocking on doors campaigning for county commissioner and awaking so many people to the NDAA and other facts about our Goverments taking away of our Constitutional rights. The thought that very few have even heard about the NDAA is frightening in and of itself. Keep up the good fight while we still can. Peace, liberty and Ron Paul for all.