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Holy Psychosis, Batman! Prescription Drugs * LAWSUIT !

Oh...What a shock! Vicodin! Just like Heath Ledger. Joker's drug of choice.

James Holmes, the alleged "Joker" gunman, described his fascination with altered states of mind in a lecture to other students, and dosed up on prescription medication before the atrocity, it emerged on Sunday.



"...it appears Holmes was on several medications -- prescribed by one or more doctors -- at the time of the shooting and he believes the docs did not properly monitor Holmes.


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Stop spreading misinformation.

The only information in the linked story that pertains to vicodin:

"Holmes calmly told detectives he had taken 100mg of the prescription painkiller Vicodin...The same drug was found in the system of actor Heath Ledger when he died of an accidental overdose of prescription drugs"

First of all, Vicodin comes in 500 mg tablets so this claim is not believable. Secondly, Heath Ledger's alleged overdose involved a mixture of several different drugs.

As for the lawsuit story:

"Karpel says it appears Holmes was on several medications -- prescribed by one or more doctors --  at the time of the shooting and he believes the docs did not properly monitor Holmes."

This is just a lawyer making a guess. No information regarding drugs in the shooters system has been released - none whatsoever.

Further, there are no similarities between the way antidepressants and painkillers function, as you continue to imply. I see a lot of claims being made here that indicate a complete misunderstanding of how drugs work. I understand that some people react badly to antidepressants, but you are not helping anyone by jumping to conclusions. Worst of all, putting out such sensationalized stories is harmful to the Doctor/patient relationship and those individuals who need and benefit from these or other drugs. At this point doctors are afraid to prescribe pain medicines to individuals that need them - all because some busy bodies want to force drug-war stereotypes on the rest of us.


Well, well

We have an official acolyte for Big Pharma in the house.

I'm spreading misinformation?

Since you are the acting apologist/spear catcher for the murderers, please share your slimy defense for the following...


#1 Cause of Illness, Disability & Death: Prescription Drugs
September 22, 2009, Richard Ruhling, MD, MPH, Washington, DC

Adverse Drug Reactions put 2.2 million people in hospitals and 106,000 died, "making these reactions between the fourth and sixth leading cause of death." Journal of American Medical Assoc, 4-15-1998

But how many died at home? 199,000 according to the Western J Med. June, 2000. Deaths in and outside hospitals from Rx totaled 305,000 then, with 8 million admissions to the hospital and 3 million for long-term care (nursing homes- these people were messed up for life!)

"From 1998 through 2005, reported serious adverse drug events increased 2.6-fold...fatal adverse drug events increased 2.7-fold..." Archives of Internal Medicine, Sep 10, 2007, p 1752.

But if deaths increased 2.7 fold from 1998 to 2005, by 2009 they are increased 4-fold. Multiplying 305,000 deaths/year by 4, prescribed drugs killed 1.2 million people/year-- these are not old people in nursing homes--most of them weren't even in the hospital.

837,000 deaths is like 12 airplanes with 100 people each crashing three times a day, 333 days/year. When only three planes crashed on 9/11, the government grounded all planes. Why not now? Confronted with these figures, a U.S. Senator said it is futile because the pharmaceutical industry controls congress. They spend $400 million/year to help re-election campaigns, says (Marcia Angell, MD, former editor of New England Journal of Medicine (60 Minutes' interview), now teaching at Harvard.

Docs/Drugs Lawsuit !


"...it appears Holmes was on several medications -- prescribed by one or more doctors -- at the time of the shooting and he believes the docs did not properly monitor Holmes.


good find.


Great but.... "3. Warner

Great but....

"3. Warner Bros. Karpel says "Dark Knight Rises" was particularly violent and Holmes mimicked some of the action. The attorney says theater goers were helpless because they thought the shooter was part of the movie. Karpel tells TMZ, "Somebody has to be responsible for the rampant violence that is shown today.""

You cant hold heath ledger responsible for being a good actor.


No, but there is a

reasonable expectation, among moviegoers, that Batman would come and save them from the Joker.

Virginia Tech shooter on antidepressants

The Chicago Tribune reports that Cho Seung Hui, the Virginia Tech shooter who killed 32 fellow students in a shooting rampage, was taking antidepressant drugs. This is not the first time a shooting rampage has been linked to antidepressants.

I'm betting he was on plenty

I'm betting he was on plenty of drugs, he was completely out of it in court. Sure maybe he was given drugs post-arrest for his court appearance but I seem to doubt it. Probably on some kind of psychoactive prescription drugs if not several. They'll do anything to keep that hush hush though.


Any of these psychiatric drugs can be dangerous. My family owns a few pharmacies, father is a pharmacist, I've heard plenty of horror stories, had one of my own. They can also be life-savers.. they have in my case.

BTW I'm not taking a swipe at the person who posted it, don't get my wrong here. But the thing is, right now, this article is just typical tabloid journalism from the UK Telegraph.. I mean these guys invented scandal. We're in the stage of this case where the shooter just appeared in court, everyone's racing to print pictures of his hair and 'out of it' appearance, they're are dwelling on his Adult Friend-Finder membership like he's some kinda sex addict. And guess what? It sells newspapers.


We don't yet know WHY he did it. If you've had any experience with strong opiates, you might know what it's like to be 'high' off them. If you have any lengthy experience with opiate abuse, you know how unlikely it is that they alone will make you want to go out and shoot people. I'm not saying it's impossible that someone can flip out from hydrocodone, but it's not impossible that someone could flip out on aspirin, either. And even if he was on anti-depressants, that's no cause to blame the drug, yet. What if he was genuinely mentally ill, psychotic, and he wasn't taking the drugs that would have otherwise kept him from having a psychotic break?

Too much speculation, which will lead to a witch-hunt in the search for someone and something to blame.. and that's only good for the shareholders at FOX and CNN.

Doubt it.

There'll be some psychiatric meds at play if any of this is put down to a drug.

Vicodin would have made him more likely to run in and start hugging people, if he felt like running at all. If there's one thing I know, unfortunately, it's painkillers and psych meds.

why is this downvoted?

Vicodin is not a psychotropic drug for psychiatric treatments.

It's like saying someone did opium or heroin and went on a killing spree. Of course it's possible, just like a drunk guy can kill someone by accident or drunken rage.

But it's completely different than the subtle, deep and permanent psychosis certain psychotropic drugs can induce.

straight people kill all the time, too.

And don't forget that straight people kill all the time, too.
Anyone want to make the case that this means "straightness" causes murders?


don't don't don't forget palilalia

Mitch Mitch Mitch

Something else to consider.

The semiautomatic rifle used was federally restricted 8 years ago.
Police have not been able to find how he obtained the AR-15.
"A federal ban on assault weapons went into effect in 1994, under President Bill Clinton, including a restriction on sales of the AR-15."


No it isn't. Semi-auto

No it isn't. Semi-auto AR-15s are completely legal, it's fully auto AR-15s (M-16) and short barrel AR-15s that require special parts/licenses/ATF approval etc.

Perhaps you aren't old enough to

remember the other Janet.

The semi-auto firing mechanism wasn't banned, but the furniture configuration most certainly was.

Our gun stores sell AR-15s. Not at all difficult to get.


The root of the word for drugs.

The word we use for drugs, pharmaceuticals, is derived from the Greek word far-mak-i'-ah.

This is also translated sorcery since drugs were administered to participants in the mystery religions in order to induce altered states of consciousness and open the individual to demon possession or as they believed to possession by certain "gods" who were the object of the religion in question.

This is still the practice today in the esoteric religion that is practised by secret societies and esoteric (heretical) branches of the major religions such as Gnostic Christianity, Kabbalah Judaism and Tantric Buddhism. I believe that Sufi Islam has similar practices. The activity is centred on inviting possession by so called mediatory deities who are actually evil spirits.

I believe when we talk about crimes being committed by individuals under the influence of drugs it is more than likely we are actually discussing demon possession. The word demon itself is from the Greek word daimon or Latin daemon, meaning simply a lesser deity who is a servant of the devil or satan the major adversary of God in the Earth.

e.g. The sand mandalas created and destroyed by the Dalai Lama, the head of Tantric Buddhism, have as their purpose the opening of a portal into the spiritual realm to give access to a region of Earth for these lesser deities who will then possess the disciples of the Dalai Lama who are led to believe they are being trained to rule the world.

It is perfectly possible that these mass murders have been committed by individuals who are so possessed since these demons thrive on the energy released by the death of human beings. In other words they are spiritual parasites. I believe many world leaders are operating under similar influences which is why they are so bloodthirsty. The wars they have been waging in the past decade have all been along the 33rd. Parallel North which has a significance for these wicked entities and grants power to whomever sheds blood in these regions.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

the real Illuminati is not in power

I first read Bill Cooper's book, Behold a Pale Horse, in the mid-90s and grew up listening to Mystery Babylon. My family (and my city) are from secret societies in the Catholic, Mormon churches, in Israel and Masonic lodges.

I wrote this 7-years ago. Please explain to me how I am wrong. Because what you posted is extremely insulting to me and my family.


"Tikkun Olam is taking the shards of the reshimu that reside in the dark realm of the Klippoth and bringing them into the light.

In Lurian Kabbalah, after the tzimtzum (e.g. the Big Bang, condensing of the Godhead) the Divine Light of the Ain Sof took the shape of the Sefiot (i.e. Tree of Spheres) and flowed from Adam Kadon (the 28th Gate), which was unable to contain the Divine Light resulting in the Shevirat ha-Kelim (breaking of the vessels). Part of the Divine Light became the residual energy wasted by the 'primordial kings', known as the reshimu (the divine power within us all).

Lurian Kabbalah is from the Rabbi Itschak Luria Ashkenasi (Ari) aka Arizal, the angel who first taught Adam.

Satan = Sutan, the adversarial force of man not God. When you get angry and succumb to the instant gratification that anger provides you give into the Sutan. Thus if you lose $1000 think "if it were truly mine it will come back to me in the future in business/luck/etc 3 times greater". And that is the Kabbalistic secret of restricting the Sutan to fulfill the ultimate desire of Man (and God), which is being proactive and sharing the light with others.

That was the purpose of the tzimtzum, to distinguish our individual selves from our infinite selves. Thus the Godhead condensed part of itself from the hyperluminal reality below the speed of light causing the Big Bang and the beginning of our journey from chaos (hell/Tohu) back to God (harmony), by equating the source with the form (God with Man), which is 1 = 33 (1 above 3, 3 above 7, 7 above 12 = Tree of Spheres / DNA of the Universe).

Evil is the reshimu, the residual image of the Creator residing in the dark realm which can be brought out by the tikkun olam (balancing of the universe). In my opinion, keeping the Kabbalah a secret (Masons, Bonesman, Bohemian Grove etc) are all evil in that sense since the divine revelation of Lurian Kabbalah, Jesus Christ and the Sefer Yetzirah is a libertarian-idealized world of room temperature superconductors which approaches the definition of Heaven on Earth.

When Adam ate from the Tree of Knowledge, he brought his world of the Kedushah (248 sparks of 'Holiness') into the lower worlds of Briah, Yetzirah and Assiah. Had he waited to the seventh day Shabbos, he would have been permitted to eat from the Tree of Knowledge and would have selected the rest of Kedushah from the opposite side containing the perfect worlds. It was his separation of the Tree of Knowledge from the Tree of Life that caused the Klippoth to gain access to the Tree of Knowledge (if only he would have ate first from the Tree of Life it would have been ok). Thus now the reshimu (the residual image of the Creator) resides in the demonic realm of the Klippoth (shells) and is the source of evil.

However, there is no evil that is not still part of God so through tikkun olam one can bring balance to the universe by recovering the sparks in the dark realm of the Klippoth and once again the light of Ain Sof will illuminate all of creation (the 248 sparks) through the Sefiroth. When the 'lifting of the veil' (the Apocalypse) occurs, people will realize this."

Horrible and Inaccurate Comment

There are no such things as "evil spirits" or Hell. All supernatural forces are good. Supernatural beings have elevated states of consciousness and thus if you aren't in that 'love'-like Buddha existence than you aren't there. There is NO devil.

Study Hebrew. Satan is Sutan, the adversarial force of man not God. It is the temptation of anger in man, the instant gratification that anger provides when we face adverse reactions. Resist it; don't get angry, it's that simple really. Then your world of your thoughts and actions and the Universe become more in unison.

My family were high level members in the Catholic Church. My great uncle was a Vatican II priest. My other side of my family is from a secret society in Israel.

I'm an expert on aspects of Kabbalah and a promoter of atheism. As a deist, I'm a skeptic. As an analytical student of Kabbalah, I know it defines the Tree of Life and the DNA of the Universe. There is nothing Jewish, Masonic, Lucifierian, occult or evil about the truth. If you believe the world was created by the "Word of God" and thus "numbers, letters and sounds", then the Tree of Life is real.

Drugs are not the problem, it's society, selfishness and government. God gave us nature to understand nature. To say otherwise is echoing a fascist statement.

Thanks for the information PA

I am certainly no expert on the Kabbalah or any of the other esoteric religious manifestations. However everything you have said here confirms my understanding of what they represent.

The most fundamental aspect of all these beliefs is a powerful deception. The scriptures are very clear that the devil, that old serpent satan is a liar and a murderer from the beginning. Satan means adversary as you must know and yes that wicked entity is an adversary of man but also an adversary of God inasmuch as it is used by our Father to create opposition to His Plan and purposes.

Satan is indeed a creation of God as is evil and as you have said there is no Hell in the way that most Christians believe, a place of eternal torture in fire. Nevertheless there are evil and unclean spirits that do possess men and live off the energies of human beings since they are parasitic in nature. They are however temporal and will one day no longer exist.

While many things you say are part of the Truth they are not Truth in any absolute sense. The soul of man is a profound creation that most men have not plumbed. Men who have done so have created these religious practices using the energies and matter that the Creator has provided but for other than His purposes of bringing forth fruit for His Kingdom. This is the material point. There is no denying the experimental effectiveness of these beliefs and practices but they are in the end without fruit of an eternal nature as you will no doubt discover.

The Tree of Life is real of course but is a symbol of the One who was dead and is now alive forever more, the Lord Jesus Christ the one and only Son of God. The Tree of Knowledge as you call it is actually the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. It is also symbolic of man attempting to manipulate reality for his own purposes, in other words to be a god apart from God. It is a symbol of Death. It was introduced into the Creation for the very purpose it has served, to bring man down into Death to experience and learn of the fruit of evil, the wages of sin, so that he might better understand the Way of Life. Our Father's Plan and purpose has been, is now and will always be to bring forth His sons conformed to the image of His beloved Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, the living Word of God through whom He created all things.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

excellent and concise piece.

I don't know why you got so many down votes, other than people not agreeing with your religious preference. I can tell you that I thoroughly am convinced to the same ideology. I haven't heard about the 33degree parallel but I do understand the signifigance behind it as I was once a purveyor of mysteries. Not that you'll be able to prove without a shadow of a doubt to people this is true but never the less it does provide light onto the subject of drug use, in this case, excessive drug use.

Medicine is a great thing, but medicine is to be taken responsibly. If you are mixing a combination of chemical cocktails in your "lab" to override reality, I would also agree this is sorcery. It exists and any witch, warlock, dreamer, soothsayer will tell you the same, it's the liars who mystify this delemma in the name of "science" and "medicine" who you should definately be weary of however. They typically like to be called "Doctor" in the ARTS of medicine, which are highly experimental and push drugs in an array that is deceptive and/or toxic to the psyche.

I should know, I deal with them on a daily basis at work and as a patient (not as a doctor) highly recommend that you know your rights (as a patient) and thoroughly discuss medications indepth with your doctor and why they may be right or wrong (most likely wrong). If they (doctors) get upset with you when you decline, it's likely because they are charlatans who would sell their own mother's health for research purposes.

Freedom Lovers Unite : to bring in our last chance for what was a great country back again into the hands of the people.


As I said to @Political Action I am not an expert on these things, nor would wish to be, but I do have some experience from both sides of the divide.

I have read a little on the 33rd. Parallel North and it is certainly significant that all the countries that have been invaded so far in the "war on terror" are situated along that line on the map. However that is as far as my interest has taken me.

@Political Action seems to be more immersed in esoteric lore and everything he/she has written has confirmed my own understanding of these things. It is interesting to see how much we could agree on yet be so diametrically opposite in our conclusions.

I have long believed that the opposing power to the love of God is pride of life or self worship. Yet they are so close to each other in our personal experience of them. This is what is so deceptive. It is no wonder our first parents fell for it.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

The 33rd Prime

Is 137, the fine-structure constant, or what determines if an electron absorbs or emits a photon.

In Hebrew, Kabbalah's mathematical number is 137.

Kabbalah simply means to receive. The trick is not receiving the Light of the Ain Sof, but to resist and be proactive. In hyperspace which is non-local, you can't be physically close to something. Thus to be close to God, you have to be like God, which means sharing light and not simply receiving it.

God created the world with numbers, letters and sounds. When the Tetragrammaton shined on a Tetrahedron, the Yud, the Egyptian hieoglyph for arm, which has the number 10, as in 0-9, reached through the Tetrahedron creating the world. YudHehVavHeh is sending the Tree (32, Lev, the Heart), through the window to catch the hook.

It explains how the 10 numbers created the 22 fundamental letters in the Phoenician, Paleo-Hebrew, Aramaic, Proto-Sinantic alphabet.

The Tree of Life in Genesis is not a negative thing. They just ate from the wrong side of the Tree on the wrong day. IT was a natural progression of consciousness through the 50 Gates of Intelligence.

The Tree of Life has 3 horizontal lines, 7 vertical and 12 diagonal. Written 3,000+ years ago, Abraham said, "1 above 3, 3 above 7, 7 above 12, all is one and connected to the other." (Sefer Yetzirah) 1+3=4, 3+7=10, 7+12=19, 4+10+19= 33, the Illumination.

32 in Hebrew is Lev, Heart. 33 centimeters equals 13 inches, which is because the Royal Society created the standards. 13 is 6 (man) + 7 (God), the balance between form and source.

1 was the infinite source, when it condensed below the speed of light it became the densest most chaotic energy known, quarks. 3 represents the three color forces and the 3 levels of quarks and electrons-muons-tauons. 7 represents 3 against 3 and 1 in the middle (from Sefer Yetzirah), which is the particle. 12 represents the molecule.

This isn't Judaism. It's more Pythagoreanism.

If you want to enlighten yourself, I suggest-


I think God would rather you be an atheist and intelligent, than a follower of a false religion and a fool.

33 is my favorite number

To me, this is evidence. This proves what I say is true, not because I say so but because math says so and logic. If you think I'm wrong, I'll go back to not posting on this forum. And yes, the Illuminati is real but it is not in the music industry or Hollywood or politics. The real Illuminati is not in power. Rockefeller and Kissinger are collectivists. Weishaupt was like Jefferson, a libertarian.

Good luck



"One hundred [and] thirty-seven is the 33rd prime number; the next is 139, with which it comprises a twin prime, and thus 137 is a Chen prime."


One of the great physicists of this century is a man named Richard Feynman, who teaches at CalTech and knows as much about the way the Cosmos works as any man alive. Feynman has participated in half a dozen extraordinary theoretical developments and won a fistful of prizes, including the one you get from Sweden. Even so, he likes to tell people that physics has not accomplished as much as some physicists like to brag, and that we are not as close to a great universal theory of matter and energy as some theorists like to think. Indeed, Feynman has said, physicists ought to put a special sign in their offices to remind themselves of how much they don't know. The message on the sign would be very simple. It would consist entirely of one word, or, rather, number: 137.

One hundred thirty-seven is the value of a number called the fine-structure constant. This constant, 137, is the way physicists describe the probability that an electron will emit or absorb a photon. Because this is the basic physical mechanism of electricity and magnetism, the fine-structure constant has its own symbol, the Greek letter a, “alpha.”

Now, alpha is nothing more, nothing less than the square of the charge of the electron divided by the speed of light times Planck’s constant. Thus this one little number contains in itself the guts of electromagnetism (the electron charge), relativity (the speed of light), and quantum mechanics (Planck’s constant). All in one number! Not only that, this number isn’t like the gravitational constant or the universal gas constant, full of meters and kilograms and degrees Celsius. Alpha is a pure, dimensionless number — little wonder that people have been fascinated.


Throughout the Thirties and Forties, the greatest scientists of the day tried and failed to figure out the magic number 137. The great Werner Heisenberg told his friends that the problems of quantum theory would disappear only when 137 was explained, and spent years trying to explain it; fortunately, the problems did go away despite his failure. One of Heisenberg’s friends, theorist wolfgang Pauli, wasted endless research time trying to multiply pi by other numbers to get 137; Edward Teller, now a prominent advocate of star wars, derived alpha from gravitation; and a dotty Japanese showed that the difference in the masses of the proton and delta particle is equal to alpha. All this shows is that there are many ways you can multiply and add a bunch of numbers to get 137. The closest any of these people got to the answer, perhaps, was when Pauli died — in hospital room 137.

The best explanation of the mystery ever given to Victor Weisskopf, another leading theorist from that time, was provided by Gershom Scholem, one of the most eminent scholars of Jewish mysticism. When Scholem met Weisskopf, he asked about the prominent unsolved problems in physics. Weisskopf said, “Well, there's this number, 137....” And Scholem's eyes lit up! He said, “Did you know that one hundred thirty-seven is the number associated with the Cabala?”

seriously doubt that vicodin

seriously doubt that vicodin would be the only problem, or even one at all. i suspect there's a shoddy psychiatrist somewhere who is shitting his pants right about now


If he had a history of violent and anti social

behaviors the drugs probably soup him up, a person who schizophrenic or may even be diagonosed with psychopathy(anti-social disorder) can commit these murders easily, even without the drugs, the truth about this case may be found because to much weird things are going on in it

Ridiculous. Millions use vicodin without killing

Millions of people have used vicodin and similar pain killers. NONE of them have ever gone on a killing spree.


who knows. could be.

who knows. could be. everyone's brain is different, which is why I would also say the sweet MJ is only 99.99% safe. There's a couple of people out there that can become psychotic (medical definition, not pejorative) after using pot. I hate to even say that, because some drug prohibitionist nazi will latch onto it like a leech, but it's true I think


Maybe not Vicodin, but...

Note that the article below was a prediction, written before it was revealed that the killer was on any drugs.


Now, Vicodin may not be listed in the above article as being potentially involved in creating killers (or murder-suicides), but the following drugs are: Trazodone, Topamax, Tegretol, Geodon, Cymbalta, Paxil, BuSpar, Xanax, Effexor, Ambien, Xoloft, Celexa, and everyone's favorite, Prozac!

Pick your poison? I personally suspect that there were other things this guy was on. He may be going thru a nasty withdrawl in prison right about now.