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Want to put a piranha in the political fish tank? Allow Gary Johnson in the Presidential Debates

The most savvy thing that America’s TV networks could possibly do this year is to promote Gary Johnson with the intent of placing him in at least one, if not all of the Fall presidential debates. Such a move would almost certainly drive viewership and interest in the debates to stratospheric levels, and Johnson’s penchant for snappy redirects and crowd-winning zingers would be the kind of fan service that scratches the itch for spontaneous, unscripted reality TV.

America got a taste of Johnson’s flair during his candidacy as a Republican, first when he released on YouTube an edited video of him participating a debate he had been excluded from, then later when he was included in the Florida debate and delivered a knockout quip about how “my next door neighbor’s two dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than this president.”

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What percentage of the

What percentage of the national vote does Johnson have?

I mean, if he only has 2-3%, then he cannot justify time on the national stage just because he is a presidential candidate.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

So this is voted down

because it would be *better* for society somehow if the "debates" are limited
to Romney/Obama??

You expect that undeclared wars, drug policy, the Fed (for example)
are going to be even mentioned if minor party candidates are excluded?

Not too likely...

Looks To Me Like

Looks to me like the Mittwits are voting this down. I see no harm in having GJ in the debates.

Still gonna write-in Ron Paul though.

Johnson's inclusion would potentially be bad for the movement

Because Johnson emphasizes, or will be used to emphasize, the libertarian label over the much larger ideas that libertarianism happens to overlap with in a good way.

We don't want people to become Libertarians or even libertarians, we want people to become conscious, determined individualists, because it's the only moral position...Johnson will put a damper on the promotion of world-changing ideas, and we will just get reality show featuring one-liners and cheap policy quibbling.

I wouldn't mind putting a worm into your hardrive

as an alternative if I had the option.
I doubt you can comprehend this but I'll give it a shot anyway.

http://www.dailypaul.com/245290/poll-vote-up-if-you-want-to-...
John Ashman
Submitted by Michael Nystrom on Sat, 07/21/2012 - 21:54. Permalink

"You are getting annoying.

And this is the reason why: You are trying to use rational argument to swing people. But rational argument doesn't work when you come down to fundamentalism. There are (at least) two fundamental reasons why some Ron Paul supporters will never support GJ: Right to life and foreign policy. Ron Paul never made Right to Life a big deal in his campaigning because (I suspect) he saw that as a divisive, emotional issue. Nothing can come of it but argument. People believe what they believe because that's what they believe on that one. It is a wedge issue, and wedges serve to divide. Permenently.

Two is foreign policy. We've all read and heard his interventionist rhetoric. Which is why a bunch of others won't support him either. I'm not a fan of what I've heard there.

And a bunch of other people here won't support him for the same reason many people chose not to support Ron Paul: Because of his annoying supporters.

So I'd appreciate it if you stopped to think about that a little. With your behavior, you're starting to turn people off to your candidate. Like many Ron Paul supporters did without knowing it - you're harming the image of your candidate.

Please don't think you're going to come here and flip a bunch of Ron Paul supporters by pleading your case. We all know who he is. We've all heard of him. Everyone here has pretty much got their mind made up. That kind of defines the core Ron Paul supporters and we are the only ones left around here now.

so I'd say that if you think the best strategy to get votes for GJ is to come here and try to swing Ron Paul supporters, I'd say its a dumb strategy. You need to think bigger than that. Just look at all the resistance you get here. This is not fertile ground. You need to go with the flow, not against it.

Is there a "daily johnson?" (BTW, I used to own the domain "DailyJohnson.com" thinking that if GJ was going to be a distraction early on, I would have a place to send all you misplaced GJ supporters. When it was clear that GJ was no threat, I let the domain expire.) (Somehow it did always sound like it would make a better porn site than a political site).

But seriously - is there a Johnson community online, like the Daily Paul? That would be step one. Get everyone together, on the same page.

I do visit reddit's Johson Page from time to time. http://www.reddit.com/r/garyjohnson

It is a little like visiting a different planet. Or like visiting China. Everything looks the same, but the underlying structure is different.

Step 1. Community.

Step 2 - You need an event. Something that calls attention to your man. This media environment is so noisy you have to scream to be heard. But that scream would have to be in character - the role of course being "Presidential candidate." He couldn't come out wearing a meat dress, like Lady GaGa. No one would hear him. They'd just laugh at his meat dress.

Obviously you don't have enough moolah to buy ads. At any rate, ads wouldn't be effective at this point. He needs name recognition first.

So he needs some kind of a stunt that leads to a breakout in the media. With Ron Paul it was the showdown with Giuliani at the debate in May 2007. That is when everyone sat up and perked up their ears. That was unusual. No one expected it.

So that's what you need! Some kind of a big stunt to get name recognition. Something everyone agrees with. Off the top of my head, I would say the messages should be: End the wars, and end the income tax. Hit both of those as hard as possible. End the Fed is too esoteric. People don't understand it. With those two messages, you draw votes from both Obama and Romney. Both messages have a certain amount of mass appeal. And you need mass appeal. Paul never had what you could call 'mass appeal' aside from here on the Daily Paul.

You need to be bigger than that, which is why you shouldn't be hanging around here. People here have made up their mind. All you're doing is annoying people at this stage. And as the vote total above shows, we're not banning you, but that doesn't mean we like all this inane arguing about Johnson.

Johnson needs an event; a stunt; a moment; a soundbite that makes everyone perk up. It is not too late. Remember that Scott Brown YouTube that went viral? "With all due respect sir, it is not the Kennedy Seat, it is not the Democratic Party's seat, it is the people's seat." - forward to :30. What dumb luck. He didn't even know what he said. You can see it in his delivery. Then it got picked up and rebroadcast on all networks: MSM, YouTube, Twitter, the blogs, Facebook…

That's what you need. Something like that.

Ross Perot had his graphs. John Andersen had that white hair…(Actually, I have no idea what Anderson had that got him into those debates. I was only 12 at the time. But see! It does happen from time to time. Anderson was what? 1980? And Perot 92? We're overdue to have a third guy on stage. Johnson actually could do it.

But again, if you think flipping Ron Paul supporters is the way to that, you're mistaken. If you're serious about winning, don't waste your, and our time here.

"But if only all those Ron Paul supporters would just support Johnson!" you think. It is as unrealistic as Ron Paul supporters thinking, "If ten million people donate $100 to the next money bomb, that will be a billion dollars!"

It ain't here babe.

BUT! When you get up to 12%, and you need a little push, and if Ron Paul ain't the nominee, let us know. I like an underdog. (As well as The Underdog)"

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

You understand that Michael's

You understand that Michael's point is that you are irrational and logic annoys irrational people, right?

Reread the first sentence slooooowly.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

Ashman you are too much

from what I've seen Michael Nystrom is a pretty easy going guy but I think he got sick of hearing Ashman Ashman Ashman all the time without fully investigating everything you've said here. He doesn't have the time and neither do I but what I've see you qualify to be nominated for the
Daily Paul Top 20 Assholes Hall Of Fame if there was one.

I didn't miss what the first sentence said the issue is it doesn't fit YOU very well.
You twist what Ron Paul states or means more times that I can count here on this forum to fit your Gary Johnson agenda.

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

What am I twisting?

What am I twisting?

Look, I know your personality type, it's very common on the web. You guys get all bent out of shape and call names, then act like I just MADE you do it, therefore I need to be banned because you are sensitive and can't handle any kind of disagreement.

Strange, since liberty people used to be made of sterner stuff. This is the difference between people that are truly engaged in seeking liberty and those that are caught up in a cult of personality. We relish the Marketplace of Ideas. We love debate and discussion. And you want uniformity of opinion and demand everyone follow the same script. Interesting idea of libertarianism you have going.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

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Dude, just let it go

Like I said, why don't you go do something useful.

Hey! Go start a Gary Johnson site and try using the law of attraction instead of just fighting with everyone here.

I repeat: If your goal is to help Gary, you're working against your goal here. You are annoying people, and because you are annoying, that annoyance is being transfered to your boy Gary by association.

A better use of your time would be to go do something so spectacular, so attractive, that people cannot help but flock to whatever promotional activity you're doing, because it is so darn cool!

I've given you so many ideas, why do you persist in banging your head against the wall?

I'd like to see GJ in the debates too. I've already said that. You're hurting that cause. You're posts indicate that you're more interested in being right than in helping your guy out.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

I have to head off for work, but thought you would enjoy this -

BRIAN:
Are you the Judean People's Front?
REG:
Fuck off!
BRIAN:
What?
REG:
Judean People's Front. We're the People's Front of Judea! Judean People's Front. Cawk.
FRANCIS:
Wankers.
BRIAN:
Can I... join your group?

REG:
No. Piss off.
BRIAN:
I didn't want to sell this stuff. It's only a job. I hate the Romans as much as anybody.
PEOPLE'S FRONT OF JUDEA:
Shhhh. Shhhh. Shhh. Shh. Shhhh.
REG:
Stumm.
JUDITH:
Are you sure?
BRIAN:
Oh, dead sure. I hate the Romans already.
REG:
Listen. If you wanted to join the P.F.J., you'd have to really hate the Romans.
BRIAN:
I do!
REG:
Oh, yeah? How much?
BRIAN:
A lot!
REG:
Right. You're in. Listen. The only people we hate more than the Romans are the fucking Judean People's Front.
P.F.J.:
Yeah...
JUDITH:
Splitters.
P.F.J.:
Splitters...
FRANCIS:
And the Judean Popular People's Front.
P.F.J.:
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Splitters. Splitters...
LORETTA:
And the People's Front of Judea.
P.F.J.:
Yeah. Splitters. Splitters...
REG:
What?
LORETTA:
The People's Front of Judea. Splitters.
REG:
We're the People's Front of Judea!
LORETTA:
Oh. I thought we were the Popular Front.
REG:
People's Front! C-huh.
FRANCIS:
Whatever happened to the Popular Front, Reg?
REG:
He's over there.
P.F.J.:
Splitter!

C-ya!

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

I know, I know. I had a few

I know, I know. I had a few weeks where wasn't working that much. I'm multi-tasking, but my days off of work are coming to an end as of today. Being right is actually important to me. Arguing on facts is actually important to me. Letting people "win" because you don't want to correct them and anger them, not so much. Most of the people are extremely cool here, but as usual, there are 5-10 people that want to run the place. I'll let them get back to doing that for a few days and see if things settle.

Have a good night.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

Let us know

when you finally experience "being right".

There are no politicians or bankers in foxholes.

Yeah

I'd like to know when that happens too.