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A Plea To Everyone. Keep The Daily Paul Free!

Please, please, please stop downvoting people into oblivion.

I like to read comments because they are often interesting and filled with information - whether I agree with it or not. I am free to choose whether I want to believe it or not, but at least give me that freedom instead of hiding from me posts that upset you.

I see that since people failed to get certain people and ideas censored, that they just gang up and downvote them so that they don't even appear in the conversation thread following a post. Our constitution designed our country as a republic so we could avoid the TYRANNY OF THE MAJORITY through pure democracy.
Looking around here lately, I would NEVER want a good portion of these people given ANY position of power. We would be deep into a Soviet Russia style system - all for the greater good.
Gang enforced censorship on the Daily Paul. You have GOT to be kidding me.

I am SO sorry I have to say this.

What the F%&@ kind of liberty site can't even follow the liberty guarantee given to us in our FIRST amendment in the bill of rights!? What ever happened to "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"?
THAT is what liberty is.
Just like the Tea Party, the Daily Paul is getting taken over.

You all should be ashamed of yourselves.
I am so MAD RIGHT NOW.



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down voting - welcome to democracy

Down voting is just that - voting - on the take of a comment. The comments are still there, even if they received so many down votes that they are not fully visible anymore. If you want to read them click on them. If you agree with them vote them up.

Man don't worry about it

There is always free speech here, Common sense always prevailed on this website

You have got to be kidding

You have got to be kidding me...

Finally conversing with the people here has made me lose faith in the liberty movement's potential completely.

Define "common sense". Pretty sure emotional and simplistic thinking and biased immaturity and willful ignorance don't play into "common sense"... and some of the most active and long time DPers are just that.

Critical Thinking > Emotional Thinking > Pseudo-Intellectuals that Saturate DP
Utilitarianism > Consequentialism > Deontology > Egocentrism
Making people feel "troll'd" with the truth > being an intentional troll > acting like one naturally

I don't think you are an idiot but whats my opinion against

every dp user and millions more

All I was pointing out was

All I was pointing out was that the vast majority of people on this site and off don't have "common sense". MANY of the "truth-seekers" here can't handle certain truths themselves.

Critical Thinking > Emotional Thinking > Pseudo-Intellectuals that Saturate DP
Utilitarianism > Consequentialism > Deontology > Egocentrism
Making people feel "troll'd" with the truth > being an intentional troll > acting like one naturally

censorship

Nothing better than whining about censorship on a privately owned forum where you feel entitled to do anything you want just because you exist. Ever hear of property rights? Or are you an anarchist posing as a libertarian?

Property rights?

When you click on the SUBSCRIBE link at the top the owner of this site clearly states the grass roots own the property rights to this site which is why the owner request money from those same grass roots people to keep this site running. So this is our site, the grass roots, Michael is merely the paid care taker of the site who is here to help those who might need it. And since the grass roots does pay to use this site I think they should feel entitled to do what they want because they exist, and that includes any criticism they might have about censorship and any barbaric banning measures taking place to the grass roots who use this site, I suppose you consider anyone who criticizes Obama is nothing but a whiner. Or how about George Washington, I guess you would consider him a whiner too, since he didn't just go along with whatever England demanded.

Since the GOP establishment want Romney maybe you'd like every one to stop whining about wanting Ron Paul and just pick the person the GOP establishment chooses. Shall I continue or do you finally see the errors in your thinking. This is why it's important that brilliant minds like mine aren't censored or banned frivolously. For without our brilliant wisdom this site would only suffer. The names of all those mentioned in this thread who were banned should have their bans lifted. That's my opinion. they hurt no one. If you want to remove a comment because it's out of line, that's one thing, to ban the poster over it is OVER KILL. No better than CISPA or SOPA. If you want the public on your site then don't whine and ban them when they ask for the same rights that you expect.

Oh sorry, I didn't realize

Oh sorry, I didn't realize that Michael Nystrom is the one clicking on all the downvote icons. The moochers of the website are the ones downvoting people into invisibility.
I never feel entitled to do anything I want. What's the rule again?
Oh yeah...do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
And anachists don't believe in property rights? pssss....those are called Communists.

“If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

Be as mad as you want.

This is NOT a, as you put it "Liberty site." It's a Ron Paul site. If you post stuff here that has nothing to do with the site's purpose, you deserve to get downvoted. There is not free speech here. This is private property. Get over it. To prove my point, I downvoted your post.

In that case, about 80-85% of

In that case, about 80-85% of the site over the past few months should all be down-voted away.
There is not free speech here because it's private property? This sounds like the view of an extremely closed-minded person. Wow, sounds like a lover of the Mainstream Media too.
You have absolutely no reason to be critical of them.

Those who downvote do not own this piece of private internet property you numbskull. It's more like a kind property owner allowing people to squat on his property, and then the squatters kick other people out because they feel threatened or offended in some way.

The only way you could have proved your point is if you are Michael Nystrom in disguise.

“If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

This was a great rant

I am sure there is a select group that would like revoke your posting privileges for good. Ironic actually.

When you say "Everyone"

does that include those of us who are disgusted by the "fading" picture of Ron Paul in the upper right of this site?

~Your perception becomes your reality~

I am so glad you said that

It's not only disturbing, but shows an immense lack of respect for the brave man who inspired our movement.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

The Answer Is Simple..........

This isnt just a free site that people can use and Nystrom was elected caretaker of it.....

THIS SITE IS THE PROPERTY OF MICHAEL NYSTROM. HE ALLOWS US TO BE A PART OF IT. NOBODY HAS THE "RIGHT" TO BE HERE.

Just think of this place as Michael Nystrom's house....and he's been nice enough to let you hang out.

Now, just because he lets you in, it doesn't mean you can do whatever you want.

It's his house...and he has rules. You break the rules, you get kicked out...pure and simple. The problem is that posters like you don't understand personal liberty.

And I'm not some close friend of Nystrom's....I've been banned(suspended) a couple of times. You know what I did? I stopped doing what got me banned....it was the simple.

Stop being such a crybaby. If you don't like the way Nystrom runs things....leave and find another site....or better yet....start your own site. Then you can run things the way you want, and you can have rules(or no rules)....whatever you want.

But please, stop posting like some kind of spolied, sissy crybaby..

Its the Simplicity

of things that always seems to baffle people..

As we at the DP have learned ZMAN you’re the most simpleminded of them all! My God if ZMAN can understand it then how difficult can it be?

Yes that is what I meant. Somebody had to say it!

No One But Ron Paul 2012!
MindyNYC

I Believe and Try to Remember

...when reading posts that "the argumentative defense of any proposition is inversely proportional to the truth contained."

That, to me, is why *attacks on Dr. Ron Paul make little sense and often seem shallow.

fonta

I have no problem with this

I have no problem with this site allowing the up and down voting, it let's everyone see what others thought of that persons opinion, WHAT I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH is this site using censorship based on those up and down votes. There's no excuse for censorship to be used in these circumstances, none, and I have yet to hear a satisfactory reason from this site.

I also find the site owner VERY HYPOCRITICAL when they ban someone for using foul language when the site owner overlooks foul language from other posters. From what I see this rule is only being used to silence those whose opinion the owner of the site doesn't agree with. This is selective enforcement used to censor opinions and nothing more.

Does a person deserve to be banned from posting on this site for LIFE just because they lose it one day and decide to give a rant with foul language in some thread, even though that same person may have contributed hundreds or even thousands to Ron Paul's campaign and spent hundreds or thousands of hours posting support for the liberty movement and Ron Paul on this site and around the web, according to this site's owner the answer to that question is YES, YES they deserve to be banned and silenced for LIFE. Who needs CISPA when you have site owners like this restricting users and censoring and silencing their opinions. And these same site owners say their sites are about liberty? They obviously don't know what the word LIBERTY means.

Funny you mention that.

I don't agree with censorship either, but I definitely have a problem with "selective censorship".

I've brought attention to the mods that "certain" people DO NOT follow the guidelines & rules here. Other people have been banned for far less. And while I don't agree with banning, I believe a warning is in order. I, as well as others here, have pointed out to the mods that "certain" people seem to have carte blanche here when it comes to the rules. Makes you wonder.

http://www.dailypaul.com/guide

Hey Smitty....

I've been been banned(suspended) a couple of times....because I broke the rules. I didn't cry about, I just learned to not do the things that got me in trouble.

Who is crying, sissy boy, or

Who is crying, sissy boy, or are you under the impression no one in life should complain about what others might do to them.

I suppose our delegates shouldn't complain when the RNC tries to exclude them from the convention, they should just learn to keep their mouths shut and learn not to do things which might cause trouble, since it is after all the RNC's private club. I suppose you would call them spoiled sissy cry babies as well, like you name called here on this thread.

I have every right to complain about anything I please, if you don't like it, then too friggin bad. If you want to be a slave to everyone you run in to, be my guest, but don't act like a spoiled sissy cry baby when others like me choose not to. I have a pair, just because you obviously don't doesn't mean I should become like you, it just means you're not a real MAN like me. Okay sissy boy.

Awwwww....

Did poor Little Smitty get his little feelings hurt because I called him out for being a crybaby?

I'm sorry Little Smitty.....

I'm sorry you're such a big freaking sissy.

You don't like it here...man up and leave....but please...stop being such a whiny little baby.

Ha...that's your new name,,,,Little Baby Smitty...

Will someone get Little Baby Smitty his pacifier......he's starting to complain again

Liberty minded people generally know well when to down vote

We can see a mile out...

those who just want to cause trouble

those who are self promoting

trolls

I was here before voting

and I think the voting helps. Before voting discussions were a LOT more heated and endless, everyone trying to have the last word. The voting helps to express a person's disagreement as well as agreement with an issue or statement.

When statements get a lot of down votes, I always click on them to see what was said so they probably get more attention rather than less. I may or may not agree with what they had said but it is still there for anyone to view, it is not locked from inquiring minds.

It is no fun getting negative votes but it happens, like life in general we move forward and learn from our experiences and our positions, there is either push back or a pat on the back.

"You can please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please all the people all the time."

Peace

"We can see with our eyes, hear with our ears and feel with our touch, but we understand with our hearts."

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It's been a while since I've seen you post. It does my heart

good to see you are still around. With love Quilting, it is good to be amoung friends.

Jim

1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

I read mostly these days

and it does me good to see your handle BMWJIM also. I love this place and the inquiring minds who share their knowledge for me to digest.

I miss a lot of the old timers here and all the great discussions, it is hard to stay because it gets depressing realizing how messed up things are.

Hope all is well with you and yours and did you know I had a Honda scooter when I was a young girl about 17, boy may dad was so upset when I got it.

When I spun out on loose gravel I sold it and that was the end of my biker momma days. hee,hee

"We can see with our eyes, hear with our ears and feel with our touch, but we understand with our hearts."

Gang-enforced Censorship Isn't As Bad As ACTUAL Censorship

I have been a longtime reader here, and tonight I've made an account just to leave this comment---
Why does this site allowed some of the newer numbskulls commenting below to stay (cough*** "John Ashman" ***cough), but has recently banned some old-school loyal Ron Paul supporting members, people like "BigT" and "zsh-ninja", whose posts were intelligent, and I looked forward to reading, and their comments were nearly always highly rated.
What the hell is that?
On a "Liberty" site!
Censorship always rattles my chain, and is more than a tad hypocritical here, d'ya think?
What has happened to this place?

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Big T was banned?

I saw his name crossed out in one post but didn't know that meant he was banned. That doesn't make sense. He had his view but my recollection is that it was always expressed eloquently and directly on point. I rather enjoyed his forthright manner. I am disappointed that he was banned.

zsh-ninja I do recall but not his comments specifically. Still they couldn't have been so bad or I would remember them.

If Evil Warlord is tolerated, and I believe he should be, when he is proud of being the "king of trolls" and is often quite objectionable and rude then it makes no sense to ban Big T and zsh ninja.

I can think of many who attacked the Super Brochure quite viciously who if anyone should have been banned or at least warned off they should have been since it was deliberate sabotage of an excellent grassroots effort rather than simply difference of opinion on some subject. Big T as I recall was a defender of the SB in those very difficult circumstances. As was Dr. K. who has also come in for a barrage of negativity from some members who are still around even after accusing him with no foundation of almost criminal activity. After all he has done for the election efforts?

How about all those who attacked the official campaign with unseemly allegations of impropriety and all kinds of speculation and calumny? It went on and on and on and it was always the same people doing it? Once again these were destructive comments that impair the ability of the community to function as a support group for Dr. Paul.

I believe the ultimate responsibility for banning rests with Michael Nystrom and since it is his website, notwithstanding that it is financially supported by many of the members, he is within his rights to set the rules and the sanctions for not following them. In that case it is probable that anyone who has been banned has been warned and then banned for breaking the rules of the DP.

It would nevertheless be useful to have a list of those banned, the reason for banning and the procedures followed in the exercise of this sanction.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

They weren't banned. At

They weren't banned. At least Big T wasn't. He threw a fit and left.

Look, people use the F word here every day, they call people "assholes" and people get away with it.

People say I should be banned for unpopular speech, but then call me names every day and I just let it wash off me.

There are a lot of folks here that claim to be libertarian in thought, but have no clue what that means in real life. If you can't handle the opinions of others, you don't have what it takes to be a libertarian. It's really not for the feint of heart. A libertarian world is an annoying world. The trick is to learn not to be annoyed because then you are truly free.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"

When someone "leaves" they can strike out their own name?

Is that what you are saying?
I don't understand.
BigT did lose his temper slightly on that GJ post.
But I missed where BigT said "I am leaving and am hereby banning myself".
His comments are all faded out and his name has a ---- through it.

For the record I was not saying that you should be banned.
If someone is being annoying - you're right, putting up with them is a part of libertarianism.
You definitely exemplify that concept, no offense intended.
I was only saying that I don't understand why, if the moderators are going to be banning people, why are you still here, but "BigT" and "zsh-ninja" were banned?

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Big T ASKED for his profile

Big T ASKED for his profile to be deleted. I saw the post.

So that's why I'm saying I know Big T wasn't banned and don't have reason to believe the other fellow was either. Maybe, but if so, he must have done something really terrible because hey, the only place that HASN'T banned me other than here is Huffington Post. Red State banned me within a week or two for stating that immigration is a conservative value.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"