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Batman shooter: "Why am I here?"

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NY Daily News:

Accused mass murderer James Holmes told jailhouse workers that he remains stumped about what landed him in a Colorado lockup, a jail staffer told the Daily News.

“He claims he doesn’t know why he’s in jail,” the worker said Thursday. “He asked, ‘Why am I here?’”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/exclusive-dark-knig...

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This stinks more and more each day! Media says shooter's package sat in the mailroom for a week, however, school says it arrived day after the shooting.

Staging the events for public consumption. I call complete BS on this!! If my memory of history serves me well, we can anticipate a "disgruntled family member" of one of the shooting victims to take justice into their own hands to silence him so that the "official story" is sold.

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Drugs to Erase Memories

...and reduce the "fear factor" have recently been offered as a means by which to reduce the number of suicides following tours of duty. The number of deaths among returning veterans from suicide has been reported as higher than that of combat deaths.

Here is one article on this area of research although I am sure some of you can find others that are more applicable:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2563336/

Most of what we find online about mind control and MUKTRA are dated; however, there is a apparently a huge amount of money being poured into this new area of mind research aimed at *selectively* erasing some memories. Perhaps the shooter was given some new level drugs from this category to reduce fear...and also to erase memory of the event (whether he did it or not...did it alone or with others.)

And, BTW...the connection with the father being scheduled to testify is a breathtaking *co-incidence*... More to it, I feel.

fonta

Scopolamine?

Honestly with the way it's developing (unless reports are false or he's just acting the part), it sounds almost like a scopolamine case.

Highly suggestible, unable to resist direction according to reports, but fully articulate and responsive. Reports of blackouts/amnesia afterward.

Stuff sounds tailor-made for such events if these effects are genuine.

disregard

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for discussion.

I dont like conspiracy theories

But it would be very similar to the Fast and Furious. Obama is careful so he didnt come out in full gun control mode, because the American public is a little more intelligent than the average public.

If I remember correctly, Sirhan Sirhan...

the guy that is accused of killing JFK's brother Robert Kennedy said he doesn't know WTF happened either. To this day he still swears he has no idea where he was that night or what he was doing.

Over the past few years more infomation about the CIA and/or the FBI messing with his brain has surfaced.

"experts said Sirhan was programmed through hypnosis to fire shots as a diversion for the real killer"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/28/sirhan-sirhan-lawye...

So do you think

The Kennedys were really good people. That got lucky and the American public loved them. Johnson and co. saw this and needed to take him out because he would expose all the evil the world had been doing.

I always liked the Kennedys. Can I like them based on a Ron Paul perspective?

While youre at it. Lincoln too?

You tell me

When President John Fitzgerald Kennedy - the author of Profiles in Courage -signed this Order, it returned to the federal government, specifically the Treasury Department, the Constitutional power to create and issue currency -money - without going through the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank. President Kennedy's Executive Order 11110 [the full text is displayed further below] gave the Treasury Department the explicit authority: "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." This means that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation based on the silver bullion physically held there. As a result, more than $4 billion in United States Notes were brought into circulation in $2 and $5 denominations. $10 and $20 United States Notes were never circulated but were being printed by the Treasury Department when Kennedy was assassinated. It appears obvious that President Kennedy knew the Federal Reserve Notes being used as the purported legal currency were contrary to the Constitution of the United States of America.

"United States Notes" were issued as an interest-free and debt-free currency backed by silver reserves in the U.S. Treasury.

http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/thefederalreserve.htm

The attempt to make a

The attempt to make a warmonger/murderer/(along with his ruthless brother Bobby) power mad fake hero like Kennedy into some sort of Paulian crusader is laughable. Oh...though your hero claimed credit, he wasn't the "author" of Profiles in Courage. That was Ted Sorenson.

The effort to make Kennedy into some sort critic of the Fed and advocate of sound money doesn't pass the smell test. For the whole story, see here:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/weberman/jfk.htm

Has anyone ever told you that

Has anyone ever told you that you can get your point across without being insultingly condescending?

Your post reminds me of why people are turned off by some of us paulbots.

Okay....I'll apologize for

Okay....I'll apologize for not being a nice guy. Now.....please let me know where I have it wrong on the facts. Your pal, Atkinson.

Sirhan Sirhan 2.0

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*May the only ones to touch your junk, be the ones you want to touch your junk.*

Just what I was thinking

Where have we heard this before?

http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/4063295-418/sirhan-sirha...

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

What About His Dad?

http://www.dailypaul.com/246334/robert-holmes-father-of-jame...

Robert Holmes is the Father of James Holmes. Robert was a Lead Scientist at FICO. You know? The Credit Scoring institution? Rumor is Robert was scheduled to testify in Congress about the LIEbor scandal.

Hope The Father Angle Can Be Verified

...there is so much misinformation. One news story said that the mother said, "You have the right person." This was picked up by other news sources. Now we are told she was referring to herself, presumably when asked if she was the mother of James Holmes. So scratch that.

...then the first stories on the notebook having been "lost in the mail room" for days with other twists has changed. I suppose a lot of the misinfo can be added up to reporters going for a story and *adding to.*

And, finally...wouldn't any lawyer tell their client that the best he can hope for is a mental institute instead of the death penalty or consecutive life sentences so to plead amnesia?

Who knows. A student who feels he has failed...or was unjustly judged...takes drugs and goes nuts and says he doesn't remember. Or, perhaps there is much more. Will we ever really know?

fonta

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to read later

Jackson County Georgia

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Scopolamine

Victims have no memory of any actions they did when they are drugged (1-2 days). It also eliminates free will, you do what you are told without question. whether it be shooting up a movie theater, or taking your clothes off and chewing a guys face off.

I'm not saying it was used for those two events. But it is likely.

I don't know whether to slap my head or laugh at this

The sad part is that before I downvoted this nonsense it had 2 upvotes. This is nothing but an urban myth. An extremely dumb urban myth. Scopolamine is not an effective truth serum. It does not eliminate free will. It can paralyze your muscles and incapicitate you mentally and make you vunerable to things like robbery and rape, but this means that it would be impossible to execute a sophisticated killing spree. Scopolamine is not part secret CIA plot. The entire world has known about scopolamine for 100 years.

Please people do 5 minutes of research before you propagate these myths about psychoactive drugs. It makes conspiracy theorists look like nutcases. This is the most ridiculous and impossible fantasy I have heard yet about about the killing spree.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopolamine
https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intellig...
http://www.erowid.org/plants/datura/datura.shtml

Either this is one of the most random, convoluted...

government conspiracies ever, or it's simply a crazy person who committed a horiffic crime.

Occam's Razor (and common sense) dictates it's the latter.

I don't play, I commission the league.

LOL.

Sorry the conspiracy theorists can't handle common sense. I know it's hard to buy into the fact that life is full of random shit, good and bad, but it's true.

I don't play, I commission the league.

Authorities are calling this a pig that got away from a bbq

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2432/000/Monster_Found_Under_...

"Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
Mark Twain

Plus....

How could a drugged, dazed man just minutes before be a coherent, super accurate sharp-shooter...

Fox News

Reporting right now that he is adopted. Also blaming the Father for putting too much pressure on son to achieve blaming everything on family issues.

"Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
Mark Twain

WOW!

they are really working hard on the cover up. The police also have a gag order since Monday.

FALSE FLAG, Imo

Let us disappoint the Men who are raising themselves upon the ruin of this Country. John Adams

Mind Controlled Patsy IMO

Dot connecting.

1- Start with "neuroscientist David Eagleman says Holmes' credentials were no better than those of an average student." http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/stor...56467518/1

So who is Eagleman? http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/David+Eagleman Researchers work on cocaine vaccine http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2008...cine_N.htm He is associated Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, TX. http://www.bcm.edu Evidently he does more than just his and his wife's research on Cocaine addiction. Type his name in and it comes up with a few results.

2- http://www.bcm.edu/news/item.cfm?newsID=3729 "Eagleman awarded Guggenheim Fellowship". Later on this reads "He will use his award to research the neurobiology and genetics of synesthesia at the perceptual, neurobiological and genetic levels, with an aim to understand differences in conscious sensory experience across the population. Synesthesia is a perceptual condition in which the senses are mixed; for example, hearing music might evoke the visual perception of color." Guggleman Fellowship seems on the up and up.

This one study takes special note though it may or may not be something, "Does time slow in a crisis?" http://www.bcm.edu/news/item.cfm?newsID=1030 This was what he was noted for and completed and went on to complete this study.

His next study is synesthesia, I had to look that word up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia Synaesthesia (sometimes spelt Synesthesia) is a perceptual experience in which a stimulus in one modality gives rise to an experience in different sensory modality.

We also have this page which shows Eagleman's current lab and talks http://www.bcm.edu/osa/sign/index.cfm?PMID=5276 And this is their latest posting for research volunteers http://www.bcm.edu/osa/sign/index.cfm?PMID=3053 .

This one interests me most though, entitled "Visual ‘hiccup' changes how you perceive things you see", By Graciela Gutierrez http://www.bcm.edu/fromthelab/vol10/is2/0311-3.html

From Eagleman's own admission he knew Holmes well enough to comment, though he says he didn't know the boy. "Eagleman, a former researcher at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies in La Jolla, Calif., where Holmes attended the eight-week summer camp when he was 18, said the young man had a reputation as a "dolt." " http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/stor...56467518/1

The rest of Eagleman's mentions are at http://www.bcm.edu/search/searchresults.cfm

But we move along.

3 - John Jacobson - former researcher at Salk Institute . So I do a search on him at their website and a few stand out.
a) "John Jacobson. Neurophilosophy--I recast philosophical problems as experimental ones, and do the experiments. Consequently, I study vision, time perception,"
b) Motion Signals Bias Localization Judgements: A Unified Explanation ...http://papers.cnl.salk.edu/PDFs/Motion%20Signals%20Bias%20Localizat... %20for%20the%20Flash-Lag,%20Flash-Drag,%20Flash%20Jump%20and%20Frohlich%20Illusions%202007-3943.pdf With no less, Eagleman and Sejnowski, but we will see Sejnowski later.

John Jacobs himself.

JOHN JACOBSON is a postgraduate researcher at the Computational Neurobiology Laboratory at the Salk Institute, La Jolla, CA.

So who and where is this Jacobson? "John Jacobson, now a PhD candidate at UC San Diego in philosophy and cognitive sciences" http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/natio...6583.story

It seems Holmes worked for Jacobson for 8 weeks which sounds odd since "Jacobson said Holmes was accepted as the Salk Institute’s summer intern because at the time the Institute was not marketing its program to the top math and physics high school students. Holmes was accepted because his resume indicated he had done some computer programming, Jacobson told the Los Angeles Times. But his high school transcripts showed Bs and B+s, and no Advanced Placement classes, Jacobson said." He goes on to say “He just had no interest,” Jacobson said. “I’m trying to introduce him to the other high school students and he’s incredibly uncommunicative.

“I attributed all this to adolescent shyness, maybe feeling intimidated to people around him.”

Sounds like a bit on jealousy to me, but what do I know. Oh yea, seems Holmes wasn't quite in so much a shell, save for that year.
"In a statement to The Times, Randy Schwab, chief executive of Jewish Big Brothers Big Sisters of Los Angeles and director of Camp Max Straus, wrote that Holmes was responsible for “the care and guidance of a group of approximately 10 children." “His role was to insure that these children had a wonderful camp experience by helping them learn confidence, self-esteem and how to work in small teams to effect positive outcomes. These skills are learned through activities such as archery, horseback riding, swimming, art, sports and high ropes course.” In a separate email to the Times, Schwab wrote, “He was a counselor that had no incidents or disciplinary concerns. That summer provided the kids a wonderful camp experience without incident.”

“Our hearts and prayers go out to all the families and friends of those involved in this horrible tragedy,” Schwab wrote. “On behalf of Camp Max Straus I want to offer our deepest sympathies and condolences.” Source: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/20...geles.html

Jacobson also said of Holmes, "His research is into the relationship between neurological stimuli and actual and perceived reaction times, suggesting that our actions may be determined by both the past and the future and having implications for volition."

Eagleman, a former researcher at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies in La Jolla, Calif. Now these 3 get together.

(4) Now who is Dr. Terrence Sejnowski that is mentioned? A ink from their website http://cnl.salk.edu/People/Person/?Person=1800

"Sejnowski is a leading pioneer of computational neuroscience, and his lab studies the principles that link brain mechanisms, mind and behavior. They use a variety of techniques to study the brain at both low and high levels of description. On one end they study the low-level biophysical properties of individual neurons. On the other, they build large-scale neural network models to help them understand how the brain processes vision, stores memory, coordinates sensation and action, and how it all evolved." http://www.pbs.org/kcet/closertotruth/pa...ndex5.html and
http://www.salk.edu/faculty/faculty_details.php?id=48

(5) So what at SALT was James Holmes contribution that earned him a 26k grant (but nowhere does it say he personally got the money) by the National Health Institute (NIH)? I find this:
"James Holmes Wrote And Made Mind Control Programs. After graduating in 2006, Holmes worked as a student intern at the Salk Institute of Biological Studies and Miramar College’s biotechnology summer boot camp, where “cream of the crop” students were given rudimentary laboratory projects.

For his part while at Salk, Holmes wrote in his resume that he designed a computer program to illustrate temporary perceptions of causality and programmed a flicker fusion utility. James Holmes Flicker Fusion Utility. Used in movies and game systems by every day people. Flicker fusion is used in mind control." Source: http://whyamericansaredumb.com/james-hol...l-programs .

This may sound like some kind of make believe stuff, but truth is stranger than fiction. For this part I have two links, plus a video.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamachine
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?...583.0;wap2

Please do not watch the whole video and turn off your sound after you first hear it. Skip to the last of the video and it explains it and if it tries to sell you one, don't buy it.

This also explains the "trance like music" that was heard from his apt. This should also raise some eyebrows to watching a lot of TV and what you watch. After all, they don't call it TV Programming for nothing.

Let us disappoint the Men who are raising themselves upon the ruin of this Country. John Adams

Great work

RP.

"Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
Mark Twain

From Billy Rizzo on Facebook

From Billy Rizzo on Facebook ~

Most important to note about James Holmes is that his father, Robert Holmes, was said to have been scheduled to testify within the next few weeks before a US Senate panel on the largest bank fraud scandal in world history that is currently unfolding and threatens to destabilize and destroy the Western banking system. Robert Holmes, whose “blueblood” family links go back to the Mayflower, is known throughout the global banking community as being the creator of one of the most sophisticated computer algorithms ever developed and is credited with developing predictive models for financial services; credit and fraud risk models, first and third party application fraud models and internet/online banking fraud models.Educated at the University of California, Berkeley and Stanford University, Robert Holmes is currently the senior lead scientist with the American credit score company FICO, which was formally known as Fair, Isaac and Company, and which every American citizen is beholden to should they need to borrow money.
The massive banking crime being investigated by the US Senate is called the LIBOR Scandal where UK banks fixed the London Interbank Borrowing Rate with the complicity of the Bank of England, the US Federal Reserve (which knew about this crime for 4 years and didn’t report it) and many other major Western banks.
The idea that his father was going to testify before the US senate about LIBOR, and his mother said "yes you have the right person" on the phone, makes this whole "elite killer, gas mask, getaway car, drugged up Holmes as a patsy" theory more credible.

source: http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/x5erm/colorado_m...

These are extremely bright people. The boy is a neuro-scientist on a full fellowship (sponsored by DARPA) in a PhD program. DARPA is a government entity that funds such university programs because it wants to know all it can about mind control. This whole story is not a simple straight line

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/robert-holmes/4/47b/24a

Robert Holmes's Overview

Current: Senior Lead Scientist at Fair Isaac
Past: Senior Staff Scientist at HNC Software, Inc.
Education:
University of California, Berkeley
Stanford University
University of California, Los Angeles

Robert Holmes' Summary

My educational background is in Mathematics and Statistics. My experience over the last 10 years at HNC and FICO has been in develping predictive models for financial services; credit & fraud risk models,first and third party application fraud models and internet/online banking fraud models.
Management Experience: I am currently managing a team building Falcon Fraud Manager Credit card fraud models. I have also managed teams in the Telco and Identity Theft fraud areas.
Specialties

Experience with a variety of programming languages: Perl, SAS, JAVA, C, C++ and shell scripting languages
Operating systems: UNIX, Linux and Windows

Robert Holmes' Experience

Senior Lead Scientist
Fair Isaac

Public Company; 1001-5000 employees; FICO; Computer Software industry

2002 – Present (10 years)

Statistical Modeling / Data Mining: Developed statistical models for a variety of Fair Isaac products including Telco Fraud/Risk Manager, Falcon ID and Falcon Online Access. Also familiar with other FI products including Falcon Fraud Manager and Falcon Fraud Manager for Merchants. Currently managing a Falcon Fraud Manager Credit Team.
Senior Staff Scientist
HNC Software, Inc.

Public Company; 1001-5000 employees; HNCS; Computer Software industry

2000 – 2002 (2 years)

Robert Holmes' Education
University of California, Berkeley
Ph.D., Statistics

1976 – 1981

Stanford University
BS, Mathematics

1969 – 1973

University of California, Los Angeles
MA, MS, Mathematics, Biostatistics

Robert Holmes' Additional Information

Groups and Associations:

American Statistical Association

HNC Software Alumni logo
HNC Software Alumni
San Diego Analytics Professionals logo
San Diego Analytics Professionals
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Blessings )o(

I contacted Ben Swann with some of your links.

Regarding testifying in Libor trial. He's the man, if he can't verify, it's most likely not true.

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This needs to be verified

where are the investigative journalists? Ben Swan, check this lead out! This is way too juicy.

Theory: In other words....

His father is brilliant. He writes programs that have the capability to track where the money went to prevent fraud. He is scheduled to testify before a Senate committee because of his expertise. His programs can identify who committed the fraud at say for example Barclay's (LIBOR), etc.

Now his son is the "Lone nut gunman" who will quite probably face the death penalty.

Summation...Father will never give testimony and if he does he will state his program can't do what every one thinks it can do. For this his son will be spared the ultimate penalty.

Can you say Blackmail? Yeah I have an active imagination.