I Think Ron Paul Supporters are Divided. What side are you on?
Submitted by Ty TheMan on Thu, 07/26/2012 - 14:10No one will ever be able to say that Ron Paul doesn't have the most dedicated supporters in the history of American Politics to date.
Honestly, how could anyone NOT want a President that wants the wars to end and the troops brought home. The bases closed. The Federal Reserve ended. A return to sound monetary policies. Shrinking of Government and the military and the spending that they do. A return of our freedoms and our liberties. And, for me anyways, the end of the illegal income tax.
We Ron Paul supporters look at the other candidates and their supporters and stare, mystified and flummoxed, at them and what they say and do and stand for.
But this isn't about patting ourselves on the back about our superior candidate or preaching to the choir about the virtues of Ron Paul. This is about the division among us Ron Paul supporters. And yes...there is a clear and evident division that needs to be addressed and, hopefully, closed and closed soon.
This same division took place in 2008 at roughly the same time in the campaign as it took place this year. As soon as talk of Ron Paul not being able to get the nomination started to infect the ranks....the Supporters split into two factions. And this split weakened us and killed Ron Paul's chances.
One one side ( Side A ) are the people who stayed true to the goal of getting Ron Paul nominated at the convention and into the Presidential race in November.
Ron Paul threw his hat into the ring to become President. He has said it numerous times throughout the race in interview after interview after interview. There was no misinterpretation of the message. The message was loud and clear. Ron Paul wants to be President and he wants US to make him President. It has ALWAYS been about the man. It has ALWAYS been about Ron Paul and what he could accomplish once he sat in the oval office. These supporters are tired of the 100 Year long beat down by the government and they want immediate action and results to reverse it. The use of speed and ferocity to pummel the GOP into submission and reverse as much of the damage that the Neo-Cons have caused as soon as possible before it becomes too late to do so.
Then there is the other side of the rift. This side ( Side B ) is populated by the supporters who believe that Ron Paul wanted to be President but was willing to accept just running to stir people out of their political apathy and get involved in Politics again. To take back the Republican Party from the false conservatives who run it now and replace them with true conservatives once again. These supporters believe in a strategy of victory through attrition. A victory by inches. Take over a district. Then take over a county. Then take over a state.
The philosophy of both sides has merit. What they don't have is time. There is no more time left to argue about who's side is right or who's side is wrong. With every passing year, Washington enacts an average of 3 laws and 400 Executive Orders that further cripple the Constitution and our rights and liberties. More soldiers are needlessly sent to their deaths and more of our wealth is stolen from us. Both sides are forced to crawl at a snail's pace of 4 to 8 years for the opportunity to reverse all the damage done in any kind of meaningful manner. That is 12 new anti-Constitutional laws and 1600 Executive Orders too slow. At this pace, we are NEVER going to achieve victory in time for it to make a difference. The math, and the reality of it, simple is NOT in our favor.
Right now...with 30 days left before the RNC Convention, we have a chance to make a difference and reverse our fortune.
Every effort needs to be made to reach ALL of the National Delegates and let them know they have the power to get Ron Paul elected. They also need to be educated about Ron Paul and what he REALLY stands for as opposed to what the goofiness the media and the GOP has filled their heads with.
Ron Paul Supporters...we need to unite once again. Ron Paul wants this nomination and he wants this Presidency. He did not make 3 runs at it just to settle for a second place award. We didn't donate more than $124 Million to the campaign just to get a relative handful of people situated into the party. And neither we nor Ron Paul should settle for the RNC/GOP getting away with all of the underhanded tactics they have used this year to deny Ron Paul the nomination. WE don't deserve to be treated like that and we definitely shouldn't be sitting back and taking it again....like we did in 2008.
We need to focus. We need to get the job done. And that job is to get Ron Paul the nomination and, ultimately, the Presidency.
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You are a Mitt Romney Republican.........
You declared your support for Mitt Romney about a month ago on this website. Since then you have done nothing but spew toxic rhetoric and insults on a daily basis.
People like you who attack others based on their political affiliation are the ones who struggle with personal issues!
Ron Paul would never agree with your approach.
You are an IDIOT!
Granger did what was ask and you sat on your ass waiting for others to do the work YOU should have done. You should scrub the ground of filth for ALL the DELEGATES that took the effort instead for being a sniveling coward to your own failures.
Semper Fi Dick!
Jim
1976-1982 USMC, You can thank me for my service by voting for Dr. Ron Paul, President 2012
Easy Jarhead....she's not a delegate
and you are not the brightest pumpkin in the patch.
People don't take kindly to veterans who arrogantly tell them how they should give thanks for their service.
Besides, you were not drafted and received a government paycheck for your 'service'
Semper Fi Douchebag!
Yes I am a National Delegate
My name is on the CA Secretary of State web page under Ron Paul Delegates. Unfortunately Ron Paul did not win CA, but that does not mean I am not a delegate. My name is still there on that web page. I earned it. If Romney is disqualified in the next few weeks, I'm going to Tampa.
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You got it twisted
I'm a Ron Paul Republican who did what Ron Paul asked ALL of us to do, getting a seat on a GOP central committee, which made me sign an oath to the party's nominee. Since I wrote my article explaining what had happened, as I have only been in the GOP for less than two years, and only joined because Ron Paul asked ALL of us to do so, 4 more Ron Paul Republicans have joied me on the committee, so we can vote for change the by-laws. I would still not vote for GJ.
I think the biggest mistake I made posting my experience about being seated in the GOP is underestimateling the ignorance, fear and loathing of the GJ supporters.
My approach is Ron Paul's, evidensed by his beloved son Rand Paul, who actually endorsed Romney, where I stated I would have no choice but to support Romney, furthermore, I would support Romney over GJ because Ron Paul Republicans like me can do more with Romney than anyone can do with the powerless, committeeless, officeless, GJ, who has no back up, just a fan club, and why GJ won't get 5%.
Losers flock together under GJ and remain in a tootheless party venting hatred, fear and ignorance.
Good day.
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Granger, You do have a choice.
You are NOT bound to the winner of your state's beauty contest and you're not bound by any pledges you signed.
American Samoa proves it.
Ron Paul won American Samoa but Romney took all the delegates.
If the rules were what the GOP claims they are...then those Delegates should be Ron Paul's...not Romney's.
The GOP can't have it both ways. Either the delegates are bound or they are not. You can't take Delegates away from the winner of the state Primary or Caucus by forcing them to sign a pledge. It's not legally binding.
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I think the way to go Ty
Is to fill the seats with Ron Paul Republicans. Then we can re=write the by-laws. None of my committee wanted Romney. Not one of them has a Romney sticker. As the seatrs fill with Ron paul Republicans, it will be interesting and I will keep everyone informed what happenes at our next meeting and the one after the convention.
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Thank you for proving my point.
There are, indeed, two different camps in the Ron Paul nation.
The ones that want Ron Paul to stick his well traveled loafer up the heiny-holes of the RNC/GOP at the Convention by promoting that the delegates do what they were elected to do and revolt on the floor to get him the nomination and stop the Romney Coronation...
And then there are the ones who preach NOT rocking the boat at the convention...allowing the Romney Coronation to go on as scheduled.... and try working within the party to change it from the inside out.
We MUST reach all of the National Delegates and impress upon them that accepting Romney simply because the RNC/GOP wants him is utterly stupid.
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Puritans - Separatists
Read up on them. . .
One of them is willing to lay their life down for freedom.
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. ~Thomas Jefferson
“It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie...the greatest enemy of the State.” ~Joseph Goebbels
You're welcome
The supporters are cowards who won't win. All BIG Talk.
and the RP Republicans are going to materialze Ron Paul's message despite them.
It's not about what the GOP wants, it's about what the Area Councils and bankers demand, and it's not easy as it takes more than BIG TALK, but actually following Ron Paul's lead.
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Takes more than Big Talk
I absolutely agree, Granger.
It takes VOTES.
And we get those by finding the Delegates and getting them to vote for Ron Paul in Tampa and forcing the Romney Coronation to be stopped.
That's what saving America NOW is going to take.
I guess we can't depend on you to help with that...huh?
Sounds to me like you've jumped ship and actually WANT Romney to be prez and don't want to rock the boat at the convention.
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To become a delegate, which I am
To become a delegate in CA, one gets a seat on a central committee to be CREDENTIALED, that is how they don't toss you off. You MUST sign three papers in the county clerks office, an oath to the Constitution, a loyalty oath to the party, and a 470 to not commit purgery.
The Ron Paul campaign selected me as a delegate and I am listed on the Sec of State web page as a Ron Paul delegate, I'm in district 2, my name is first. All presidential campaigns file with the sec of state names of THEIR delegates. Then we have an election.. Romney won 75%, so his delegates will be going to Tampa, not Ron Paul's, not me.
I have never been stealth, I am open about being a Ron Paul Republican. I petitioned for my seat as a Ron Paul Republican. Everyone who knows me or of me KNOWS I'm a Ron Paul Republican.
ALL Ron Paul Republicans who achieved committee seats are in the same boat as me, so I am far from alone, it's just I'm open.
To me, there were many who never got on the ship. They never joined the GOP, they never went to a committee meeting, they never tried to get a seat, and as soon as GJ threw his hat in the ring, the called the rEVOLution a Liberty movement, and lable things PAUL, but they either never got on the ship or jumped ship for GJ.
I'm sticking with Ron Paul and the Ron Paul rEVOLution and I have no doubt we will win. It may not be the presidency, it may not be as fast as some believe it should be, but now that we are seated, and playing by the rules, and challanging rules that are unfair, and the Neocons get old and tired, and we are passionate and young, I have no doubt we will win, even with those who never got on board, or abandoned ship to go party.
I'm still hard at work filling committee seats there are now 5 of us and I just heard, we've got another, so that makes 6. I am supporting Ron Paul candidates and campaigning for them, namely Dan Roberts for congress.
GJ has no committees, no officers, no backup, just allot of talk, past experience, and a huge fan club that wants to smoke DMT and pot more than get to work in the bowels of the evil corrupt GOP and restore America to constitutional government.
Party on!
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That's all well and good....
But what are you doing to get Paul the nomination in Tampa and to stop the Romney Coronation?
You do realize that the RNC/GOP are the ones not keeping the faith within the party...right? They are turning a convention into a coronation by completely taking away the election power of the delegates with pledges and state party rules.
Whats the point of even having delegates or a convention if the delegates can't vote freely on who they want the Republican Presidential Nominee to be?
Unlike California, Ron Paul won the majority of Delegates in state conventions in at least 11 states AFTER the Primaries/Caucus' were held. But then Romney and the GOP went in ant took them away and replaced them with people who were not elected by the convention goers.
As a GOP Delegate....that doesn't make you angry? The GOP twisted and/or flat out ignored it's own rules to fabricate an outcome contrary to what the convention goers settled on and voted for.
You don't believe there needs to be a reckoning for this in Tampa? You're all for letting the RNC/GOP getting away with it...again......and just keep on playing their game. A game that is clearly proven to be un-winnable because even though you're playing by the GOP rules...the GOP is not!
The moment we achieve a victory using THEIR rules...a victory that actually matters...the GOP/RNC CHANGES the rules or just outright ignores them and snatches the victory away.
Who give's a rat's ass about " Laura's Law " ? The government granted itself the power to lock you up for any reason it wants to....so how is your minor victor match up to that? Right now...today in America....the government has the right and the authority to take any U.S. citizen off the street , out of their home, from their job...from ANYWHERE...and throw them in Gitmo for life and you have no legal recourse to stop them. Zero...zilch...none. What victory did you " win " ?
We need a President in office NOW who will reverse these anti-American, un-Constititutional laws. NOT 4-6-12-16-20 years from now.....that is just too late to do us any good.
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I believe
I believe as we get closer to Tampa you are going to see how justice works for those who play by the rules.
I don't believe going to PAUL Fest is going to stop the Romney coronation. I don't believe marching in the streets is going to stop the Romney coronation. I don't believe anyone who is not a national delegate in FL, or part of the campaign, can do anything, but give unconditional support to the delegates and to the campaign, and that's where I am.
They won't see me rooting for GJ. They won't see me dropping out of the GOP. My GOP is well aware I'm a Ron Paul Republican. They are well aware I'm not a flash in the pan, a well known and liked member of my community. I don't see any of them with Romney stickers of signs. So I believe I have an influence and that's something in my book, like Laura's Law is something in my book as a new Republican, it's a great start. I'm sorry you don't appreciate it.
As far as , We need a president now!" Yawn. No we don't. It would be AWESOME, but if it doesn't happen, that is not going to stop me from working to restore America in the GOP.
Why not tell me what your plan is rather than cut my plan down. You are a Libertarian aren't you? Why not act like one rather than a know it all who is planning on doing nothing but watching TV, YouTube HATE America vids, and cheering with the crowd of losers who didn't have the brains, guts, of heart to follow Ron Paul, so they stooped to 3% GJ the Republican red herring for losers?
What is Paul fest going to do to get Ron Paul or GJ president NOW!?
How is supporting GJ who has no committees, no one in any office in any state, going to implement his plan better than Obaam could implement his with Clinton's Democrats on the committees and offices?
Instead of bashing me and my work, tell me, What are YOU doing? Educate me. I'm so WRONG.. OK.. so educate me. Tell me why I should do what YOU dictate to me and not Ron Paul.
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Who cares about Gary Johnson?
I'm talking about getting as many National Delegates who are going to Tampa to refuse to vote for Romney on the first round of voting and vote for Ron Paul instead. Regardless if he is on the ballot or not.
The Delegates need to stand up to the GOP and state in no uncertain terms that they recognize that the 2012 GOP election was rigged in favor of Romney and that they, the Delegates, are not accepting a Romney Coronation.
The Delegates cannot vote for Romney as the Republican Presidential Nominee when the guy isn't even Republican! He doesn't represent a single Conservative Republican value. Not one.
So why elect him?
It's the job of the Delegates to decide who the Nominee will be....not the RNC/GOP chairpeople. But that's what's being done. The choice is being taken from the Delegates and being made for them by the committee.
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Yes, I agree
It's the job of the delegtates, and that choice is being taken away.
I have faith in the campaign, when it comes to Tampa. I hope that those delegates who were disenfrancised from their seats take it to their local county and state courts, as I have no faith in Richard Gilbert or Lawyers for Ron Paul.
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The Down votes are just
Gary Johnson Trolls. Do as Ron requested, PLEASE!
Jim
1976-1982 USMC, You can thank me for my service by voting for Dr. Ron Paul, President 2012
Not happening fast enough....
Unfortunately, Granger, the " RP Republicans " plan isn't going to save America in time.
The problem is....everyone has put up with the crap coming out of Washington for so long that they don't actually pay attention any longer to what's being done.
You DON'T have time to change the Republican Party, or Washington, 4 years at a time. Washington moves faster than your strategy allows for.
2008 to 2012 is a PERFECT example of the truth in this.
Once Ron Paul got shut out of Minnesota, all the " RP Republicans " started preaching the Go along to Get along strategy instead of the Rile up the Delegates strategy. " Oh...we can't stand up to the RNC/GOP at the convention. it will get our delegates thrown out of the party. We need them in there so they can change the party! "
So while all the Delegates sat on their hands and did nothing at the convention to get Ron Paul the nomination or at the very least, embarrass the GOP on live T.V. by calling them out on all of the election fraud that was committed that year....life went on as normal for the GOP and the RP Republicans.
Great Job RP Republicans.....in the 4 years since then, we've gotten Indefinite Detention, HR 347, Spy Drones flying over American soil spying on US and our troops committed to Afghanistan to 2024 when they were supposed to be out in 2014. Oh...and lets not forget Obamacare. Where were all the RP Republicans when the votes were going on for this crap? Oh...they weren't in place yet? They didn't have enough say in the party to have any effect? 4 years wasn't a long enough time to make a difference in the party?
So,basically....it was a waste of time? Is that what the RP Republicans were shooting for? Because that what they produced. A complete waste of time.
So what's the excuses going to be this year?
We have the delegates in place and we have 30 days to reach the rest. No more Go along to Get along. This year we have to advocate a strategy that will actually work and work in a fast enough time frame to make a difference. A Delegate Revolt on the convention floor is the ONLY way we are going to make the GOP stop in it's tracks and it's the only way we are going to make any change in Washington in November.
It's time to accept this and go to Tampa with a plan that will actually work and make a difference NOW....not 16 years from now when it will be 15 years too late.
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We don't go along to get along.
We follow the rules and don't break the laws.
I see the changes we are making on my central committee, as we have already thawarted Laura's Law, that puts innocent people before a judge to force medications on them.
To me, your plan gives TPTB a reason to lay down a police state NOW.
Your fast plan will get you exactly what you don't want.
Our plan has TPTB thinking, and they like the fact we are telling them, "You don't need to take care of us", because they don't really want to take care of the people, and why they do such a lousy job. Many thought we were liberal infiltraitors and they are finding out we are more conservative then they, and that makes some comfortable and happy, while the ones who have issues, are leaving. My chair even threatened to quit when I kept proposing to have memebers that missed meetings outtedfollowing the by-laws.
I see results. I like the results I'm seeing. I want Ron Paul to win, but if he doesn't, that will not stop me or us from our goal of restoring constitutional government. It is what people want, and it took us to help them.
The campaign is going to make a stand in Tampa, and while you may not agree, the fact is, Ron Paul is a winner and we will win, even if it's not the presidency. The re-election of Obama is the worse thing that could happen, but that too, we shall survive.
I'm sorry you don't agree. I'm sorry you do not want to join us and work to restore constitutiuonal government, as I think it will happen as globalization is a great idea, that isn't working. We will be there to correct it as it fails.
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You DO want him to win...?
So then....what are YOU doing about it?
If you're not going out to find the National Delegates and pushing them to refuse the RNC Romney Coronation ...then you are NOT doing anything to help Ron Paul win in 2012. Hence, you're not doing anything to help Liberty or Freedom in America.
You consider thwarting " Laura's Law " a victory? You're offering White Castle while what America needs is a Double Decker 5 Guy's Egg and Cheese Burger!
Baby steps ain't cutting it. We need " In Your Face NOW " beat downs of the GOP on a massive scale. For every " Laura's Law " you block....5 Indefinite Detentions get snuck around you and put into place.
Side B's strategy isn't getting the job done. And 2008-2012 is ample proof of it.
The only reason people choose Side B and advocate a weak and slow and ineffective strategy to stopping the GOP and making them answer for what they've done is because they are too cowardly to step up to the plate and swing for the fence. Take the head off of the RNC/GOP when they have the chance to....at the Convention. Make a statement so loud and so big that no media outlet can black it out and no undecided voter can ignore it.
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I don't agree
I'm not going to tell you what to do or how to do it, as the Libertarian principles within me don't go there.
Good luck with your way, I'll be looking for your headline on your BIG destruction of the establishment today.
I got headlines on my Laura's Law.. which with what you just posted could have put you before a judge and forced medication on you, and imprisonment if you fought it.
Sorry you can't appreciate it. We don't have Laura's Law, but many places do, and Kendra's Law.. same thing. Have FUN!!!
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This guy is divided, the rest of us are one
And we are going to make Ron Paul, ahem.. honorary founding father the president of the United States of America
There's no division in Liberty
You just don't get it. Its about the message, not about Ron Paul. Unfortunately he stands alone in our politicians who actually get the message of Liberty, so it seems like its about Ron Paul.
Ron Paul is no longer alone
Many Ron Paul supporters became Ron Paul Republicans and took GOP committee seats and are running for political offices to materialize Ron Paul's message of freedom, restoring constitutional government, sound money, and ending war.
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Well, I do know that I am
Well, I do know that I am writing Dr Paul in. I really don't have any other choice, but I like to think of it as my little FU to the RNC for the way they have acted toward Dr Paul and his supporters.
The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. - Heinlein
100% Bovine Excrement
There's no division among Ron Paul supporters. None.
And the toughest, most committed, and bravest are our delegates going to Tampa.
What you will see there will be a little like the spartans in the movie 300. An utterly devoted and skilled group overcoming a monstrously superior force.
What you will see in Tampa is the exact opposite of division. In Tampa you will see UNITY.
Colorful Metaphor
Thank you for using your noggin to come up with something funny - but to the point. Glad not see the same old B.S. ;)
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"Ron Paul wants this
"Ron Paul wants this nomination and he wants this Presidency. "
But he needs to SAY it. If you don't want it enough to say it, you really don't WANT it.
I want a Porsche. But do i WANT it? No.
Of course, if you want to give me one, I'll take it.
"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Annoyance is step one of thinking"
"We're all in the same boat, it doesn't matter if you like me"