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UPDATED: Richard Gilbert Speaks about Romney's "Crime Syndicate" - and our Duty as Ron Paul Supporters

Richard Gilbert speaks about Romney's "Crime Syndicate" (his lying, cheating, stealing of the election), and Romney's support of NDAA, Drones, and other Evils.

He goes on to talk about the Duty of Ron Paul supporters to fight until the battle is over (win or lose) to restore the US Constitution by electing Ron Paul POTUS.

Now that the Campaign has officially challenged the Oregon, Louisiana, and Mass. delegate "results" (achieved by outright criminal activity by Romney and local GOP thugs), maybe you can think about supporting Richard, his team, and our Lawsuit against the RNC, and State GOP Chairmen - seeking to unbind the Delegates in Tampa!!

(Unbind by court order - not by some GOP rule or "promise" - which they have proven time and again can be broken when convenient.)

P.S. Have you ever considered that there just might be information and a plan to elect RP that you don't know about? Don't give up, keep fighting!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK5cqAoYwTU&feature=colike

UPDATE: Listen to what Carol Paul has to say about the LFRP and the lawsuit (approx 4:20)
http://youtu.be/tDruewydBUs

Veterans for Ron Paul!




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Great article

I hand't seen that one.

And isn't it interesting in the article...

..that the supposed beneficiaries from his suit discussed in the article also wanted him to stop, citing that his APPROACH could DAMAGE his presumed cause more than it could help?

Same here.

It's Not Too Late ...Or Is It?

...Considering this (from the article):

"they went to their local newspaper, the Orange County Register, where an editor referred them to Gilbert. The paper had written a story about a lesbian couple represented by Gilbert who planned to sue for marriage. They later changed their minds".

THEY LATER CHANGED THEIR MINDS.....Wow! Is it any wonder?

"Make a Big Splash...Write a Book...Make Lotsa CA$H".

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

So Where Did They Find Gilbert???

...because he does seem to fit the bill perfectly given his past cases.

I know this may be a stretch; however, I have wondered on other threads why Gary Johnson (with a very small staff at this point) would have not only the notorious "dirty tricks politically" Roger Stone as a strategist *and* one of the two founders of GoPride as his media person. Just didn't seem PR politically genius if one was a serious contender as values do seem to still carry water with some voters.

Well, like I said, this is a stretch; however, the GJ media person would most definitely, through GoPride (conservative/also GOPride), have heard about this crazy lawyer who took on very unusual cases.

Sometimes it is interesting to consider a "stretch"....and, then, connect some dots and say...what if...this might be a key to hidden agendas and motives. Just wondering....as it is my feeling that there are perhaps *several* motives involved... Different strokes for different folks all working together and really "having fun with it" at our expense.

fonta

Fonta: Good Question!

..And it is something that wasn't addressed "primarily" in the early days of L4's "arrival" at the DP to "announce" the lawsuit.

Most readers here were put "off balance" by the flurry of "communiques"..the arrogance of them..AND the resultant debates
that in effect "steered" the "discussion" down roads that were intended to obfuscate and divert from pertinent questioning and inquiry.
I salute your research into FACTS that really are relevant in retrospect, and in current analysis of this scenario.
It may be "a stretch" but anything is possible considering the gravity of consequences/actions/needed enlightenment.
And I will always remember discussions between yourself and Mary1 that were sprinkled with that term, namely:
........."CONNECT THE DOTS"..........................

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Wonder If...

Wonder if Judge Gray,GJ's running mate, ever ran into Richard Gilbert.

It is possible since "Judge Gray was a well-respected voice of reason for over 25 years on the bench of the Superior Court of Orange County before retiring in 2009" and I believe GJ "practices" law in Orange County.

Of course, I am sure this is just another coincidence. But isn't it a very small world!

fonta

And our newbies fall for it....

hook, line and sinker. It's really unfortunate.

Meanwhile, Gilbert MISSES THE DEADLINE to take the simplest path available and lodge a contest, something the judge will require to have been done, lest he dismiss the case and probably fine Gilbert AND the plaintiffs (on top of court costs and defense legal fees.)

Carl Bunce is in the suit

Carl Bunce. Nevada Campaign Chairman, Ron Paul 2012

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

Don't insult Carl, Polly

From Nevada there are 7 National Delegates, 2 National Alternates, and 1 National At-Large Delegate = 10 Nevada Delegate Plaintiffs none of which are named Carl. Plus ... That had to do with what?

☧ INSTINCTV • DIVINITATIS • MENTIS • MAGNITVDINE ☧

My mistake

I got him confused with Terhune I think. I stand corrected.

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

You sure?

I didn't see his name listed as a plaintiff.

And?

So, what.

Hook..Line..and Sinker..

..yeah..it is unfortunately true...
the deadline......
the early "vetting" done by Zsh-Ninja, and many others.....
the past practices, and statements issued by this huckster,including, but not limited to, attempts to defraud a fellow "officer-of-the-court", a law "partner" of her monies.

The subsequently related "manipulation" of affadavits, court papers,in a feeble attempt to deceive the judges....
Ultimately uncovered as a desperate attempt to effect a "CYA" related to a "Theft of Service", for WHAT?
..............FOR MONEY and GREED...............................
"Ye shall know them by their deeds".
Meanwhile his "operatives" are here QUESTIONING OUR ACTIONS?
...Are you a delegate..are you a lawyer...what's your plan?
MASSIVE attempts to distract, overwhelm public "perception" and to defraud, deceive,and detract from the RON PAUL PLAN.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

As a Plaintiff I think

As a Plaintiff I think Gilbert is doing an awesome job....can't wait to see how everything goes down! :)

Do you know if the defendants

Motion to Dismiss is in pdf?

Here is Gilberts response to Motion To Dismiss

I don't know if it was filed or not but the Motion To Dismiss docs are nowhere to be found.
http://electionfraudremedy.com/OPPOSITION_TO_MOTION_TO_DISMI...

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

The links on leonard's post would not open

I saw this as I was reading the case:

"Delegates who refuse to sign the Affidavit are told they may not serve as Delegates,
although they were duly elected.

What Richard seems to not understand, and I could be wrong, so this is just my experience as a committee member, who vets delegates..

We had to petition Republicans to qualify for GOP ballot access, and when the COUNTY CLERK qualified us, we recieve a letter asking is to come into her office to sign THREE Papers, one of the papers is a loyalty to party, and the other is a 470, will not commit pergry. This is registered, and public information.

Delegates represent, not themselves, but "The COMMITTEE", and that is why they are asked to petition, qualify and sign the papers, committee memebrs have to sign.

The delegates are not being asked to do anything any different than anyone who is seated or elected.

Refusing to sign is grounds for removal.

They were removed for not signing.

If we apply the golden rule, and Ron Paul had the majority seated, and some "Romney" delegates REFUSED to sign, how many here would say, "Oh that's OK."?

As for it being a party rulew, it is not. It's a county rule, a state rule that applies to all parties.

So this "Court Action"..

..Which hasn't even included urging delegates or "clients" to "effect all remedies available" by contesting within the party apparatus, has been a "diversion" from those remedies.
.......A DIVERSION................................................

Even within divorce proceedings, the court sets up "remedial structures" within the legal system BEFORE TRIAL...simply put:
"Pre-Court Dispute Resolution" is a "remedy" and if one does NOT participate in this it usually is viewed NEGATIVELY by ANY Judge.

So not only was FBI Exposer correct in his "DESIGNED to FAIL" assessment.....the suit has been a "monkeywrench" in regards to the Campaign, and RON PAUL'S PLAN.
And it (the decision) will ultimately fall back to the facts, and/or affadavits/pledges you outline very clearly here.
Lawyer 4 has "sequestered" them into a narrow view of actions, and possibilities, many being enacted already by disqualifying delegates through credentials committees...the TRUE BIG PICTURE.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

I think it's even worse that that

The suit is seeking no money, and so those with broken bones who joined the suit, might find that they waived their right to sue for damages in the lower courts for personal injury, recaliming fines, fees, any money it cost to petition...

FBI Exposer has been correct.

Thank You Granger

This is something that, although overlooked by the plaintiffs, would very likely be quite obvious to any attorney worth his shingle.

It's now apparent that there is/was/has been an ulterior motive for this lawsuit from the beginning.

To "corral" all the delegates.
To keep them uninformed of their options entirely.
To convince others that:
Many delegates were "on board".
Many Lawyers were involved throughout the country.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Thank YOU Danton

Did you see that the RNC moved it's "welcoming Committee = registration" up a day, to overlap Ron Paul's event on Sunday? (I have it top post on my page)

I made a top post about it, but it seems DP is no longer about Ron Paul, but BS.

I feel like I'm walking through a junk yard at DP anymore, and I have to say, I think God was looking out for me in that I am not going to Tampa. I think Tampa Bay is going to give us a message.

Until then, stay well, Peace be with YOU, Love B.B.

Yes

http://electionfraudremedy.com/defendants-motion-to-dismiss/

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If You are Charlie's Angel

...then I hope the veil is lifted from your eyes. And, I will say a little prayer that it will be so. My concern is with the innocent unawares.

Some people may seriously need de-programming when this plays out.

fonta

A Huge Proponent of The Lawsuit

...who is affiliated with an octopus-like proliferation of unusual websites (many of which have few visitors or are "closed" or repeat the same unsubstantiated information/and yet almost all have 'something to sell) is also an author of *many* books on *many* subjects including vote fraud.

Perhaps the greatest thing to come out of this farce will be his next book which all of you who have sent in your testimonies are writing. I wonder if there was anything you signed in supplying your testimony that gave up all rights for it to be used in any way deemed appropriate by lawyer & company?

I do not know for a fact that such a book is being written; however, Doug Wead did allude to self-serving people and books being written, etc. Perhaps this does not fit into the same category and will open the can of worms we call free elections. Perhaps those who gave their testimony think that is "the greater good"...and any profits made do not matter.

Perhaps all of the flags I have seen all along are pure nonsense. Perhaps not. Will the chapters be by state and testimonies given? How many chapters have been written? Are any additional states needed for completion?

I think I could easily write a book on the evils of the GOP if the research was this easy. Would such a book serve Dr. Ron Paul's purposes and strategies? There are a lot of questions people should be asking.

fonta

Sooner than Later

What you are seeing is not pure nonsense, and I think it will start coming out sooner than later if they try to drag this farce out.

Gopper...I KNOW It Is Not Nonsense

...and unless *several* people have had some kind of epiphany and all of a sudden are doing things out of the goodness of their hearts for no personal gain, then there are people who are only following the same MO that their easily researched pasts reflect as their life-long MO.

They apparently do it because they can get away with it. I only hope given enough rope they will "hang themselves" because they do not deserve to get one penny out of this.

Call it a spirit poison ( LOL ) but at 63 there is only one thing that sets me off...people who lie to me thinking I am not smart enough to see through it. My heart goes out to anyone innocently caught up in this deceit. And, my heart goes out to the Paul family. In the big picture this may be of little import to them. To me, it is a travesty.

I do not want people like this to win in any way. I want truth to win...and I will fight for it everytime.

fonta

robot999

I know you're part of the lawsuit so you're obviously going to have a strong commitment to it. I also know you don't like quitters.

I admire you for going the extra mile and running as a delegate, donating thousands of dollars to the campaign over the years, and not quitting on Dr. Paul when many others have given up.

I don't have anything against you personally and I'm sure we share many of the same long-term goals. Those of us who oppose the lawsuit understand how you and others might have been persuaded to join it. I might have a low opinion of Gilbert but I think the delegates are well intentioned.

Distancing yourself from the suit and Gilbert do not make you a quitter if you're doing it for the right reasons. I hope you come to see that this suit lead by Gilbert is, on balance, harmful to the movement and Dr. Paul's legacy. If you decide to withdraw from the suit, it would not be quitting on Dr. Paul. It would be helping him.

Please reconsider your involvement.

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Thanks

for the thoughtful and well-toned posting. I must admit that I'm quite aggressive when it comes to doing all I can for Dr. Paul, Liberty and the rEVOLution.

My concern frankly is that there are so many people here on the DP, many who are brand new, who do everything in their power to discredit the lawsuit, when that is the very vehicle that could potentially (I know a long-shot) turn the tables in our favor. Therefore, I must assume that these people are working Against RP, otherwise they could easily state their dislike on the topic, make their point, then leave it to the individual to decide.

But no, they keep on coming - warning us - that we are wrong, but offer no alternate plan to achieve what we've worked so hard for. So in my mind - not pursuing every possible avenue of success - while the game is still on - is Quitting. We can agree to disagree on that point, but that is my opinion, and I think many here at the DP would agree.

I've heard the arguments against, and when you say "harmful to the movement and Dr. Paul's legacy", I really fail to understand that. You see, I do not view this lawsuit as having a negative outcome.

If we win (court injunction): The the GOP will have to mind it's own unbinding rules - even on the first ballot - or face prison time. That would allow RP to have his name placed in nomination, then after a good series of debates and speeches, the Delegates could decide (vs. being told). If we lose the debate, so be it, but if there is no debate, then we've already lost / given up. (Additionally, it offers legal protection to delegates in Tampa)

If we lose: IMO we have the status quo, which is the Establishment GOP shoving Romney down our throats. There are those who say the the GOP has "promised" that the delegates are unbound, but I know that I cannot trust them - just look at their actions in Mass, Louisiana, and other states. Some will say that the Judge will rule that binding is OK, but that is very unlikely IMO due to the Supreme Court ruling on the matter, and even so: Status Quo.

If we do nothing: Then we admit defeat. Worse we are defeated though cheating, stealing, lying, and fraud. We give the GOP "permission" to walk all over us again whenever they feel like it. We succumb to the Bully, and we may never win again.

Bottom Line: This is TOO important for me to risk giving up the fight before the battle is over. So my words back to you are: Maybe you should put aside the "Lawyers" and focus on the potential outcomes of the lawsuit - and reconsider your non-involvement.

Thanks, I really do appreciate your post to me.

"Government is the entertainment division of the military-industrial complex". - Frank Zappa

We're not going to win the presidency this time

but given our numbers, resources, and insurmountable opposition by the MSM, we can consider the battle of the 2012 election a win because of the gains we've made.

However, we should be careful not to overextend ourselves in this battle and unnecessarily give up some of our gains for an unrealistic goal.

This is a political war we're fighting. It will go on for decades.

Did you read this article?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/07/29/the-grand-sh...

The truth is, we just don't have the numbers yet to win this election, but the liberty movement is more than this election and it's more than the presidency.

Think about it. Even if a federal judge unbound all delegates, do you really believe Paul would get a majority vote? Do you believe he would accept it? Do you think the GOP + MSM would let that happen? Do you think, even if it did happen, he'd be able to win the election when forces within and outside the party (including the MSM) would unite against him?

We're making progress, but we're not there yet.

lawdida...As You Know

...the current DP is no reflection of the totality of people who see the entire picture clearly...know the almost miraculous progress that has been gained...and understand exactly what you just said.

Thank you. Seldom do more informed, more looped in, voices of reason post here anymore. However, I for one, have taken solice in knowing they are watching. I'm feeling better : )

fonta