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Ron Paul Picture w/ Lao Tzu Leadership Quote

I think this Lao Tzu quote sums up Ron Paul's quality as a leader quite well. Feel free to share on Facebook!

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The problem with too much government assistance!

"I am for doing good to the poor, but i differ in opinion of the means i think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. in my youth i traveled much and i observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves and became richer." Benjamin Franklin.

Bob Marshall

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Assisting in the effort to convert some of the RNC delegates to support RP. Details can be found in the linked thread.

http://www.dailypaul.com/246735/the-most-important-thing-we-...

Ron Paul convert from the Heart of Dixie

Lao Tzu was great. One of the first libertarians.

Here's another quote:

If you want to be a great leader,
you must learn to follow the Tao.
Stop trying to control.
Let go of fixed plans and concepts,
and the world will govern itself.

The more prohibitions you have,
the less virtuous people will be.
The more weapons you have,
the less secure people will be.
The more subsidies you have,
the less self-reliant people will be.

Therefore the Master says:
I let go of the law,
and people become honest.
I let go of economics,
and people become prosperous.
I let go of religion,
and people become serene.
I let go of all desire for the common good,
and the good becomes common as grass.

- 老子 Lao Tzu

Depends on

Depends on the context and situation I believe. Two simplified examples just came to mind: football for example the, some of the better team owners, general managers and even coaches don't always get recognition, rather the players are the ones who get the glory when the team wins super bowl. I mean really quick who is the New York Giants team president? Who cares, but he's behind the scenes to construct a winning team. However in other cases, like ours if we didn't have a the good Dr. Ron Paul to rally and lead us, to an extent would we even be here on the Daily Paul? If he hadn't ran back in 2007 how many of us would have been educated about the ideas of liberty and how many of us would truly understand what a Libertarian is? Dr. Paul that has inspired us as people to come together to hold our government more accountable but it took the leadership of Ron Paul to inspire us and that's a really good thing.

Libertarian rooted back from 5th–4th century BCE

As stated in wikipedia about Taoism and Laozi, I was suprised as I read the paragraph about libertarian philosophy written in a book called Tao Te Ching, followings :

"According to Laozi, the best way to govern is not to govern"

"The more prohibitions there are, the poorer the people become."

"argued that minimizing the role of government and letting individuals develop spontaneously would best achieve social and economic harmony."

Similarly, the Cato Institute's David Boaz includes passages from the Daodejing in his 1997 book The Libertarian Reader.

Check this out : http://mises.org/journals/jls/17_3/17_3_3.pdf

Whenever I despair, I remember that the way of truth and love has always won. There may be tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they may seem invincible, but in the end, they always fail. Think of it: always.

Gandhi

Geez Louise! I love this

Geez Louise! I love this place we come to connect and grow...now we are discussing The Tao...

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Honoring Dr. Paul's Call: OUR Intellectual Revolution

My contribution to the cause which CAN and WILL work.

There is strength in numbers. We are far more powerful on a global level that the establishment knows it's only matter of time before we wake up as a whole...

Here's how..

http://www.dailypaul.com/246662/you-cannot-can-an-idea-whose...

We gather. We meditate. We are in unison. We win. Period.

"I guess it comes down to a simple choice. Get busy living or get busy dying." - Andy Dufresne, 'Shawshank Redemption"

Dr. Ron Paul for 2012! Restore America Now. Not 2016.

So be it.

Nice post

Brings us back to center.

"Any government that is big enough to give everything you need is also strong enough to take it all away."

I don't want to sound like a

I don't want to sound like a douche saying this but......it should be Laozi, not Lao Tzu. At least from an academic standpoint.

If you want to get real

If you want to get real technical, it should be written as 老子.

If you are going to use romanization to sound out the words for Westerners, then there are multiple systems of romanization that have been developed for Zhongwen. Wade-Giles would have been the most common form of romanization when those texts were becoming popular over here.

Lao Zi is indeed the modern Pinyin romanization

but the Wade romanization Lao Tzu is not actually "incorrect", it's an alternative "spelling". Somehow "Lao Tzu" looks more authentically Chinese than "Lao Zi".

"Tao" and "Tofu" are somewhat more "problematic" Wade calques, as they actually lead away from the original "dao" and "doufu".

The REST of the quote...

“To lead people, walk beside them ...
As for the best leaders, the people do not notice their existence.
The next best, the people honor and praise.
The next, the people fear; and the next, the people hate ...
When the best leader's work is done the people say,
We did it ourselves!”

This has always been one of my favorite quotes. Go Ron Paul!

What do you think of this? www.theonlinemarket.org

We needed a proof of concept.

Up until recently the popular impression was that only the corrupt could succeed in electoral politics (and any less-than-totally-corrupt would be corrupted in the attempt or fail). So most good people didn't try.

The post-WWII federal government, under the two party system, was 'way overgrown and bloated. With the North Korea and Vietnam adventures, the co-option of the Democratic Party by the Progressive movement, the Republican by a string of war-mongers from the McCarthyites to the Neocons, the consolidation of the mainstream news outlets in a handful of conglomerates, and the suppression of all non-establishment candidates by character assassination, this idea was general. Thus the public was apathetic. Even many of the libertarian radicals of the sixties and seventies had thrown in the towel.

Despite it all, during this period Ron Paul was able to succeed. He did this by wisdom, persistence, and (most of all) integrity. He provided the proof-of-concept to break through the illusion and turn the situation around.

The media blackout kept most of us from knowing about him - beyond the fact that there was a doctor in The House. With the rise of the Internet it became possible to bypass the mainstream media. But the Internet also brought up the noise level. To "go viral" the "liberty can succeed" meme needed a central event. He provided that, with his runs for the Presidency.

IMHO, perhaps to the contrary of Lao Tsu's insights, the best leaders also know when they MUST come forward and be noticed to accomplish what is needed.

But you will also notice that his official organization seems inept, doesn't tell us what to do, and is often flamed for this. So the mass of the Ron Paul movement, along with the Liberty movement he inspired, seed-funded, and introduced to the philosophers who went before him, make their OWN plans and carry out their OWN activities.

He convinces, not by bald assertion, but by pointing out what's important, explaining how it works, and letting his students check for themselves until they understand, agree, and can go further on their own. He leads, not by ordering, but by going on ahead and succeeding. He inspires, not by glitz, charisma, and hypnotic tricks, but by being honest, living his ideals, making them work, and showing us how we can do even more of the same and achieve our OWN goals. This is HOW libertarian "leadership" works.

So if - no, WHEN - we succeed, we will be able to truthfully say that we DID do it ourselves. Ron inspired us - as he was inspired by others before him. This is not HIS revolution - it is the revolution of ALL of us. As it grows and succeeds he will be just one of many exceptional participants who made it happen.

And thus, even by Lao Tsu's standard, he will rightfully have his place among the "best leaders". B-)

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"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."

That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.

I have three treasures. Guard

I have three treasures. Guard and keep them:
The first is deep love,
The second is frugality,
And the third is not to dare to be ahead of the world.
Because of deep love, one is courageous.
Because of frugality, one is generous.
Because of not daring to be ahead of the world, one becomes the leader of the world.

--Lao Tzu--

http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/24006.html

"Air is the very substance of our freedom, the substance of superhuman joy....aerial joy is freedom."--Gaston Bachelard--

Love Ron Paul, but...

not sure I agree with or like the quote. Is that blasphemy?

I doubt RP's spiritual beliefs are threatened by "nice / clever"

quotes.

But for the absolutist, yes Lao was not a Christian.

Laozi (Laotzu) literally means "Father" in Chinese

The Dao De Jing (Tao Te Ching) is a metaphysical work of quite elegant compositional style.

You might say that it is not Christian. Perhaps that is true in the sense that the Psalms and Ecclesiastes are not Christian per se. Was David a "Christian"...? ? ?

Nevertheless the Dao De Jing is dealing with deep absolute truths and therefore it is compatible with the teachings of Christ.

Sure -- the "masters" of all religions or mystic traditions

probably were all "peers" to one another (or for all that I know).

However -- to Christian "absolutists" Lao was a false-prophet and the Dao De Ching is a work of heathen paganism.

That's not my opinion -- it is theirs.

Heck -- Depending on the school of Protestantism all other forms of Protestantism is wrong and wrong in absolution-seeking terms means "straight to hell" -- As is true for Catholicism, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism (etc); all going to Hell (forever) according to any branch of Protestantism and all the others feel the same way about Protestantism.

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes" Obi wan Kanobi

you are probably right

Do you like the quote OctoBox?

I like the sentiment

I don't believe in hero-worship so I guess I would deeply agree with the sentiment.

RP-Folk are Hero-worshipers (by and large)
---Abdicating Voters / Lobbiers
---Abdicating Religious Zealots
---Reformed (but still hero-worshiping) Secularists

People like to put their shoulder behind something or someone -- they do not like to stand-out.

Leaders are not afraid to stand-out. They are not afraid of self-rule.

Typically they are seduced by the power abdicated to them by the voter-populace.

Can there be self-rule, where everyone is a conscious-leader or conscious-consumer (Mises), if they are afraid to stand-out?

This is why I say a true free-market (consumer-sovereignty as Mises wrote about) will not come about until spirituality overshadows religion and the concepts of absolutism (taught by religions) die like weeds along the road.

One can love Christ and be a Spiritualist and be an Individualist.
---All at once
---I think it's what Christ wanted (IMHO)

Christians are a super-hero worshiping group of people -- as are 95% of the world. I am sympathetic to this trend, I mean look at the way men have portrayed Christ (as savior).

If we (as men) can easily see how training people to liberate themselves (economically) by skill-building why would we accept there to be an area of "creation" where that does not apply. I think Christ wanted to teach people to fish not wait for a damn fish to be handed to them.

The free-market will be ruled by the spiritual and by atheists -- people who cannot be "lorded" over.

Do you see the irony now in Lao's quote -- it's an anti-heroworship quote and a reminder to the leader not to take any adulation to heart.

Re: I like the sentiment

Obi-Wan Kenobi is wrong. Libertarianism is based on the absolute of the non-aggression principle. A Sith would want to run as far away from that absolute as possible:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/block1.html

http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/block26.html

@Octobox: "This is why I say a true free-market (consumer-sovereignty as Mises wrote about) will not come about until spirituality overshadows religion and the concepts of absolutism (taught by religions) die like weeds along the road."

You seem to be taking the Ayn Rand view of religion and liberty. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter what a person believes as long as they absolutely believe in the non-aggression principle.

"But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." -Thomas Jefferson

A market is simply a place or system wherein two or more individuals engage in voluntary mutual trade. There is nothing wrong with free-market hierarchies like religion or business. As long as people are free to join or leave, to trade or not trade with these hierarchies voluntarily. The problem is with monopolies that use aggression against any who would dare to leave/not trade with them (i.e. the State). The State will break your leg if you don't pay their taxes. Religion will leave you alone if you stop paying them tithing (unless the State combines itself with religion, but that is still the State enforcing its will).

As the atheist Walter Block explains, "It is time, it is long past time, that the Austro-libertarian movement reject the virulent Randian opposition to religion.":

http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/block103.html

http://lewrockwell.com/block/block206.html

http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance234.html

"I hate government as much as government hates freedom, and that's a lot." - Mike Malin

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And my Ron Paul vs. Lincoln video:

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AnCap -- Libertarianism is NOT built on "AnCap" Theories

of NAP -- That is just not true.

There are different types of Libertarians and Rothbard did not coin that term nor create that society.

Mises did not agree with NAP -- He was in favor of "value-free" analysis. That is just fact, as well.

I'm not a "Randian" -- I could not get past Ayn's first chapter -- I've watched a few old videos with her on them, but that's it. Not interested in "hero-worship" of anykind.

Your "soft-shoe" on religion is an imagination (it is a view absent recorded history) -- A person who thinks you are going to the worst place imaginable forever (to be torn apart again and again, to have the flesh burnt off you again and again for all eternity) is not thinking "peaceful" or "trusting" or "non-aggressive" thoughts toward you.

If NAP does not begin in the mind and heart then it is already seeking absolutist solutions based on unionized force-agency (as all human history shows religious people to do).

Spiritual-Individualists are not the same as Religious-Absolutists.

Mises did not accept many of Rothbard's views.

Value-Free Analysis is mutually exclusive to NAP (according to Mises)

Re: AnCap

@OctoBox: "Libertarianism is NOT built on 'AnCap' Theories of NAP -- That is just not true."

Libertarianism is based on the NAP. If it isn't then what do you say it is based on? Do you think that it disagrees with the NAP? How so?

As Jacob Huebert writes in Libertarianism Today:

"This is the basic libertarian idea: That people should be free to do 'anything that's peaceful,' as libertarian thinker Leonard E. Read put it. That means, in the words of libertarian theorist and economist Murray Rothbard, that 'no man or group of men may aggress against the person or property of anyone else.' Or, to rephrase it one more time, anyone should be free to do anything he or she wants, as long as he or she does not commit acts of force or fraud against any other peaceful person. Libertarians call this the 'non-aggression principle.'

In everyday life, people understand and follow this basic libertarian rule. If you want something and it belongs to someone else, you have to persuade him or her to give or sell it to you - you cannot just steal it or threaten to hit the other person over the head if they refuse to part with it. If you do not like the books that your neighbor is reading, or the religion he is practicing, or most anything else he is doing in the privacy of his home, too bad - you cannot go force other people to do what you want them to do.

Libertarians extend this rule to the political realm. If one person cannot steal money from another, then the government (which is made up only of individual people) should not be allowed to forcibly take money from people, even if it is called taxation. If one person cannot kidnap another person and force him into slavery, the government should not be allowed to do it, either, even if it is called a draft (or 'national service'). If one person cannot go into his neighbor's house and force him to give up bad personal habits, then the government should not be allowed to do it, even if it is called a war on drugs. And so on."

@Octobox: "There are different types of Libertarians and Rothbard did not coin that term nor create that society."

Lowercase l on libertarians unless you are specifically referring to the Libertarian party. Just sayin. Anyways, Rothbard coined the term anarcho-capitalist. He helped start and come up with the name for the libertarian Cato Institute. He was also nick-named "Mr. Libertarian."

There are indeed different types of libertarians, such as minarchists. They think that a small government is justified as long as it only stops agression against innocent people. But they contradict themselves because, as Hans-Hermann Hoppe has written, "A tax-funded protection agency is a contradiction in terms — an expropriating property protector — and will inevitably lead to more taxes and less protection.":

http://www.lewrockwell.com/hoppe/hoppe7.html

@OctoBox: "Mises did not agree with NAP -- He was in favor of 'value-free' analysis. That is just fact, as well."

So he was OK with using aggression against people then? No. As far as the Austrian school goes, it is value free. One can be a Nazi/Communist/Democrat/Republican and an Austrian. In fact there were a few Nazi's in Germany that were Austrian economists. One can be informed by Austrian economics that price controls lead to shortages, but still be in favor of implementing price controls because you know it will hurt some group that you happen to hate. Walter Block explains the difference here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn6TXqgyj_M

@OctoBox: "A person who thinks you are going to the worst place imaginable forever (to be torn apart again and again, to have the flesh burnt off you again and again for all eternity) is not thinking 'peaceful' or 'trusting' or 'non-aggressive' thoughts toward you."

There is no such thing as a thought crime. I don't care what people think in their heads about me. As Heubert wrote in my quote of him above, "anyone should be free to do anything he or she wants, as long as he or she does not commit acts of force or fraud against any other peaceful person."

If they want to tell me that they believe God will punish me in the next life for not being a member of their religion, then I will tell them that I respect that they are exercising their freedom of speech. I will then exersice my freedom of speech to tell them that I disagree and think they are as delusional as the people who believe in the most dangerous superstition: that the State is justified or necessary.

@OctoBox: "Mises did not accept many of Rothbard's views."

And Rothbard did not accept many of Mises' views. What is your point?

"I hate government as much as government hates freedom, and that's a lot." - Mike Malin

Check out my PowerPoint: http://www.slideshare.net/anarcholibertarian/why-do-they-hat...

And my Ron Paul vs. Lincoln video:

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Stop associating "liberty" (and the right to persue it)

with value-added ideologies. One does not have to have a philosophy or code or laws to be free.

NAP / Self-Ownership are Value-Added

Consumer-Sovereignty is Value-Free

All ideologies end "doggedly" (or dogmatically).

They begin to unionize -- they vote and lobby -- so their control over force-agency will work to their belief system.

Value-Free Analysis and Consumer-Sovereignty is a better basis for Individualism then is NAP and Self-Ownership.

By using the phrase NAP you are making it Rothbardian -- if you want to say Libertarians "believe" in yadda yadda yadda then you are starting a religious system of ideals.

Meditate on the simplicity of Value-Free vs Value-Added Analysis (this is one of two fundemental areas Mises and Rothbard disagreed).

Re: Stop associating

OctoBox: "Mises did not agree with NAP -- He was in favor of 'value-free' analysis. That is just fact, as well."

“Western civilization is based upon the libertarian principle, and all its achievements are the results of the action of free men.” —Ludwig von Mises

As Stephen Kinsella writes:

http://archive.mises.org/11365/value-free-economics-and-poli...

Ludwig von Mises unabashedly identified with a “specific political movement”: that of liberalism. In fact, he wrote a book on it. http://mises.org/store/Liberalism-P280.aspx

And Mises saw no contradiction between his forthright liberalism and his adherence to value-free scholarship. In his liberalism, he did not impose his own moral ends on others. He simply made the reasonable assumption that, outside of the handful of aescetics in the world…

"people prefer life to death, health to sickness, nourishment to starvation, abundance to poverty." (Human Action, Chapter 8, Section 2)

As a liberal and as an economist, he sought to teach his fellow man “how to act in accordance with these valuations.” And regarding such modes of action, economics, as Mises saw it, is not ambivalent. Rather, as Jorg Guido Hulsmann put it, in his splendid biography, Mises: The Last Knight of Liberalism, economics is…

"… a science with clear political implications, not a mere intellectual exercise." (Page 547)

Mises also saw, according to Hulsmann, that in the 1920s…

"…an increasing number of young economists turned their attention to abstract and technical problems…

Mises observed that this retreat from traditional economic inquiry was in part the result of a perverse interpretation of value-freedom in the social Sciences. According to this view, any critique of practical politics, by the very fact that it deals with a political problem, cannot possibly be scientific. Such was the strongly held opinion of Friedrich von Wieser and others. Mises did not concur.

Economic analysis is suitability analysis; it examines whether a proposed means is fit to attain a purported end. This is a factual question and thus subject to a scientific answer. Economists can invoke the authority of their science when they reject a policy that does not achieve what its proponents say it will. Mises concluded by pointing out that erroneous notions of value-freedom threatened to make the research of the rising generation sterile…" (pages 549-550)

Firm political stances and value-free scholarship are not antithetical. Just as there is nothing untoward in a physician maintaining an uncompromising position on eating out of lead-based cans, there is nothing untoward in an economist maintaining an uncompromising advocacy for the abolition of the Federal Reserve. I borrow this line of argument from Mises himself, who wrote (emphasis added):

"Socialism cannot be realized because it is beyond human power to establish it as a social system. The choice is between capitalism and chaos. A man who chooses between drinking a glass of milk and a glass of a solution of potassium cyanide does not choose between two beverages; he chooses between life and death. A society that chooses between capitalism and socialism does not choose between two social systems; it chooses between social cooperation and the disintegration of society. Socialism is not an alternative to capitalism; it is an alternative to any system under which men can live as human beings. TO STRESS THIS POINT IS THE TASK OF ECONOMICS AS IT IS THE TASK OF BIOLOGY AND CHEMISTRY TO TEACH THAT POTASSIUM CYANIDE IS NOT A NUTRIENT BUT DEADLY POISON."

"I hate government as much as government hates freedom, and that's a lot." - Mike Malin

Check out my PowerPoint: http://www.slideshare.net/anarcholibertarian/why-do-they-hat...

And my Ron Paul vs. Lincoln video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi

Those slightly "bowed" shoulders are born from two sorts

a heavy load and true humility before the might of human potential.

That is so cool!

Let the people believe they did it themselves.

That way they will have felt like they have something invested in it, and thus are more likely to preserve it.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

The Zen Koan of Every Ron Paul supporter!

This quote from Lao Tzu is absolutely brilliant. This quote answers to all questions. It is the Zen Koan of every Ron Paul supporter to be lived through.

And maybe it tells the essence of Ron Paul Campaign to presidency also. This is the delegate strategy. This is why Ron Paul is in the background now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kōan

"Air is the very substance of our freedom, the substance of superhuman joy....aerial joy is freedom."--Gaston Bachelard--