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When They Come For Your Guns . . . You Will Turn Them Over

"When they come for my gun, they will have to pry it out of my cold, dead hands," is a common refrain I often hear from the Neo-Cons when there is a threat, credible or otherwise, that the US government is going to take their firearms.

And, when I hear this crazy talk, I agree with them openly. "You are right. They will pry your gun from your cold dead hands," which I often follow with the question, "And where will that leave you except face down in a pool of your own blood the middle of the street, just another dead fool resisting the State?"

This is not a question they are comfortable with, if only because the intent of their saber-rattling was to imply they would fight to keep their weapons, and win.

Nice fantasy. It’s not happening.

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Oh please,

If they can't take Afghanistan after a 9 year war with the Soviets and have been fighting them for 10 additional years, but not won yet. Vietnam did not really work out as planned and N. Korea never did surrender. Dude you have some real faith, LOL. Don't get me wrong, I love my country and respect its military, but get real. This is silly.

"They" are not seriously trying to fight Afghanistan

but that's not the point.

Afghani's are better conditioned to hardship -- they are tougher than 90% of all American's when it comes to survival.

Please do not argue the "American Spirit" -- I actually look at my neighbors and most of them do not know how to "camp" without an RV let alone 6 months in the bush.

Most Afghanis are only one or two generations from farmer.

This is not my argument anyway -- it's a side-bar.

What I'm saying is that "liberty" cannot be attained by might.
---These are Ron Paul's words not mine
---Read his essays on Vietnam and trade vs war

I don't believe that American Soldiers will be able to "subdue" the nation -- for heart-centered reasons. Especially the dirty tactics applied during war.

The Revolutionary War was fought with all classes united against the British.

Passing stricter gun laws will be "voted" in -- the civilians will demand it (eventually). So you will not have your "us vs them" civil or revolutionary type war.

The way to liberty can no longer be achieved with gun (might) -- it's been a very long time since that was a viable solution.

Look at the pictures on his website.

My first comment is that I would simply LOSE my AK-47, meaning I would likely bury it. I know a man who has shotguns and rifles buried in numerous places in sealed pvc pipe for when the end times come.

I could bury mine pretty quickly so that they would never find it, to retrieve when I need it later.

But my second comment is that he might not be far off from the truth. Resistance only works with numbers and there are ways to take away that advantage.

Look at TSA.

Twenty years ago if somebody had told me that they would one by one sexually molest us before we could get on an airplane I would said it was impossible - there would be mass rioting in the streets. Yet we are putting up with it.

There are ways it can be done.

@ Neotheone

Let me let you and the good people here at Daily Paul in on a little secret.Right now, in the United States of America,you have approximately 150 million gunowners who own somewhere between 270 and 300 million guns,and trillions of rounds of ammunition.Do a little research and you'll find out that what i'm saying is true.In fact,just since the Colorado shooting,gun sales have gone up 50% nationwide.Now,if only 10% of that 150 million actually fight that's still 15 million.my understanding is that the number who will resist if necessary is more like 30%.According to Alex Jones,right after the Colorado shooting,they actually came out and told military personel as well as police that they were in fact being trained to dis arm americans.According to Alex who has sources on the inside,both military rank and file,and law enfoecement in large numbers are refusing to take part in disarming their fellow americans.THAT IS NOT A FANTASY!!!!! Now,go back and reread what i just wrote.The government is just a little out numbered don't you think?

Some see things as they are and say why,but i dream things that never were and say why not. Robert F. Kennedy

Look at TSA

There are similar numbers of us that fly.

If someone had told me 20 years ago that there would someday be an organization that sytematically would sexually molest us before allowing us to get on airplanes, sexually molest young daughters in front of their fathers and young wives in front of their husbands, while the rest of us just sat around helplessly - I would have denied it.

I would have said that America would rise up in anger. There would be blood in the streets.

Yet it happens each and every day at every single airport.

We are being herded like sheep and they know how to do it.

That's easy to asnwer that one - 9/11.

Which begs the question then doesn't it?

Qui bono?

If the "terrorists" did 9/11 and they hate us for our freedoms, it seems rather odd that the "solution" to more terrorism is to give up that freedom.

This tells me who was really behind the attack.

This tells me who the real terrorists are.

The fact that measures like the so-called PATRIOT ACT were already written long before the attack, and had attempted to be passed several times, shows me that this was simply an event too convenient to be left to mere chance.

I too though am flabbergasted and appalled that fathers and brothers and even mothers WATCH their family members being molested and there is NOT ONE incident of someone going ape shit on the TSA's ass. Not one.

How pathetic.

However, it would be tough to fathom another false flag that would have the same effect with result to gun confiscations. It would be tough to even envision a series of such events.

The next event WILL be seen for what it is, and most likely spark a full-on revolution. The event will be seen by millions of gun owners as the "first shot" that will be fired by the government upon the People.

It is therefore in the government's best interest to see to it that such event or events never happen, but that of course they achieve this not through authoritarian means, but through due process.

when they kick down the front door

...how you gonna come?
http://youtu.be/wqcizZebcaU

One of my favorite anthems,

One of my favorite anthems, thank you.

I have to agree

Yea there will be a few who fight and die but the majority will fold when they realize that it isn't like that video game they have been playing all their lives. When it gets down to the nitty gritty most will relent.

What is really sad though is that all those brothers, sisters, uncles, dads, moms, aunts, cousins, nephews, nieces and so forth will be willing to do the governments bidding and kill anyone who resists. And if you do fight back then you will just be guilty of killing someones patriotic brother but when they kill you then they have saved the community from an armed lawbreaker.

If they won't fight to defend themselves, they aren't going to

kill those they love on the government's command.

Well of course not

They wouldn't send your uncle to disarm you. They will send him to my house and they will send Joe Blows to yours and Jane Does to Joe Blows house. And it wont be some huge gun grab all at one time because that would be to risky. They will do it incrementally in some fashion so that the masses don't join together. Just think of how many people rushed to Ruby Ridge or Waco to help those people fight the tyrannical government. That would be zero. And how many of those tyrants were related to either of those families. That would be another zero.

Remember, government may be evil but it isn't stupid. They have plenty of patriotic pinheads to do their bidding. Now if we go hypothetical and say that your brother at the command of the local authorities and with some trumped up charges came to my house to disarm me and I fought back and killed your brother. How would you feel? Let the conundrum begin.

I know of what you speak, but that really isn't how the troops,

or not all of them, think.

Many have commented that they were uneasy about some procedures in NOLA after the storm because "this was home," even though many of them were from out of state.

Even to the degree they use that method and it works, the problem will be that because of Ruby Ridge and Waco, there is a greater likelihood the Feds won't get another pass on that measure.

People largely believed such atrocities weren't possible by our own government. Now we know what they are capable of, at the least.

I would be shocked if another similar incident occurred and it didn't spark something larger.

On your last note, I know my brothers. They would know better and not follow such orders. If they did, they deserved what they got. I don't continue the cycle of violence through vengeance, and certainly not in such a case where my brethren were the oppressors.

Let's hope you are right

I'm sorry but I have lost a lot of faith in the integrity of man. And when this subject comes up all I see is ATF and FBI agents taking victorious pictures of themselves in front of the burning Davidian home.

I hope you are right that there are enough people in those positions with the fortitude and moral foundation to resist such unlawful orders in the future. I feel that sooner or later we will find out.

And in all honesty I don't know how I will react when the time comes.

Why are you trying to convince people NOT to defend themselves?

You want slaughter?

You want a tyrannical nightmare?

Keep up what you're doing and you'll see it soon enough.

Are you of the delusion that if we don't defend ourselves that everything will be "just peachy" and we'll live to somehow (without means) fight another day?

Are you of the delusion that elections aren't rigged and can actually change who is in power?

History proves you wrong, dead wrong, at every turn.

Interesting take.

It's complete BS. As things stand, I'm not going to try to start a freaking one-man revolution, as it would be utterly freaking useless. However, they will slip up. Evil always overplays its hand. You won't inspire a mass uprising with all these little things, but one day, they WILL screw up and do something that crosses the line - even another Waco might be enough. Martial law is a definite possibility.

So when they come to your door, you're going to willingly disarm

yourself?

Something tells me you don't have anything for them to take to begin with.

You miss my point.

If they come to my door (not likely any time soon, but possible), I WILL shoot back with whatever I can get my hands on. There are three rifles in my room, two of which would eat Kevlar and keep going with no problem.

No, I don't think I'm Rambo. If it comes to THAT, I probably won't live. I have no idea if it would do any good or not. But at least I'd have done SOMETHING. I don't want to kill anyone, but I will if necessary.

Sorry, I misunderstood.

I don't expect to survive the encounter either, but as someone below noted, if I take more than one of them out in the process, I'll consider it a success, if only one at least a draw.

If every gun owner did the same, the tyrants could not win. They don't have enough numbers to make it happen.

Even if all the world's armies descended upon the streets and hillsides of America, they don't have enough to survive a 1:1 casualty ratio.

There are at minimum 80 million gun owners here. They can't assemble even a quarter of that to fight us. We'd win by attrition. And sooner than one might think.

Here's why:

If every street they march down, they are sniped at constantly...

If every house they break into, one of them does not come out alive...

If for every gun they take, they take at least one bullet...

How long do you think THEY will maintain the will and morale to continue the campaign amongst their troops?

Americans will have just as hard a time shooting American police and soldiers who are there to impose tyranny just as much as those police and soldiers will have in imposing it, but foreign troops, blue helmets or not, are easier targets.

Conservatives have been

Conservatives have been screaming about people coming for their guns ever since the federal government intervened in Brown vs. Board (though I am sure it was there beforehand).

It hasn't happened, at least not to the extent imagined.

Gun lovers are the majority in this country. Political pressure to have gun control is nonexistant. The NRA dominates. Gun manufacturers control Congress. Your guns are safe.

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The NRA is Judas Iscariot. They are selling out the American

people at every turn. Any anti-gun legislation passed since their founding has been written by THEM. That's because they are of the false notion that gun control cannot be stopped, only slightly watered down.

They are traitors. Plain and simple.

The intent and goals of certain groups of people are undeniable.

They are undeniable because these groups have openly proclaimed their intents and goals.

There are some who want to disarm everyone who isn't a government thug.

There are others who are expressly intent on disarming Americans entirely.

There are others who want no weapons at all anywhere.

And then there are others who want to exterminate at least 6 billion people.

Some of these groups have cross-over in membership.

They do not hide their intentions.

They have means, and are in positions to make their nightmares into our reality AND they are actively working to achieve their ends.

I take their threats upon my future seriously.

Only a fool would not.

Not if we give them up when they come to take them like this

poster wants us to.

They are only safe if we don't hand them over.

OK. Fine. When they come to

OK. Fine.

When they come to take your gun, FIGHT. Don't let them.

But sitting around screaming about how OBAMA is going to come take your gun is pointless. It isn't going happen. It is more likely that the French invade Canada or Mitt Romney reveals he is the bastard child of Elvis and a sponge.

I'd rather focus on Obamacare, our horrible education system, our terrible wars, our declining currency, our worsening environment, etc.

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I'm not screaming anything. I didn't start this topic or one on

the opposite side.

I'd rather resist ALL forms of tyranny in each facet of my life it attempts to take hold.

It doesn't have to be a "only pick one battle" way of life.

Your implication here that because I will fight if they attempt to confiscate means I don't or won't champion the causes you support is FALSE.

I'd rather focus on ALL of the problems. Not just some of them. But if you decided to pick and choose, so be it.

More likely they will make it impossible to get ammo.

What can be done then. You will just have fancy clubs.

I think the psychological position that I will only fight if they come to get my guns is a way to justify in one's mind doing nothing now. It is a somewhat passive position because it says that no matter what they do to us collectively like stealing the purchasing power of our money or taxing us to hell, I will do nothing; drive me into poverty with a rigged economic system, and I will do nothing; deprive me of the drugs that I choose for myself, and only allow me to buy ineffective drugs at inflated prices from the approved government list, and I will do nothing; regulate my business to the point that I cannot function, and I will do nothing. But, boy if they ever show up to take my guns which I and too frozen and frightened to use anyway, then I will fight.

If police or troops arrive in your neighborhood to go house to house to confiscate your guns, and you manage to keep some hidden away, will you ever use them anyway?

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

You are making false and dangerous presumptions.

#1 - the sentiment is not to refrain from doing ANYTHING until they attempt outright confiscation. Who said it was? Who expresses that thought? People are resisting at every turn. Are you suggesting they START the revolution? No sir, it is not for us to fire the first actual shot. It is for us to defend ourselves. NON-INITIATION of force is the answer.

#2 - I don't see anyone up in arms or worried about gun confiscation who isn't also trying to do whatever they can to wake people up and change the course on other issues like money, taxes, regulations, drugs, et cetera.

#3 - the notion that anyone would be too frightened and frozen to defend themselves is patently absurd. Maybe YOU would be too frightened, but that doesn't mean the rest of us will be. Besides, fear is a good motivator towards self-defense. It activates adrenaline production and instincts of self-preservation take over. If flight is not possible, fighting is the only option left.

#4 - the presumption that police or troops will be successful at door to door confiscations is a grave mistake. They will be sniped at as they march from house to house. They will enter homes and not all of them will come out alive or in one piece. Any such campaign will not continue for long.

You comments demonstrate you do not own a gun and have no intentions of ever doing so. "May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."

Gunlaws

NEVER! Register your firearms...EVER! Free people own guns ..slaves don`t, take it as gospel from an Aussie slave with the heel of fascist corporatism on his neck!

If every great fortune has a great crime behind it, then the greatest fortunes have the greatest criminals behind them. End the fed!

They will come at night...rather early morning.

They will come in SWAT teams with tanks, break down the door, and have orders to kill if you do not hand over your weapon.

~National Guard, New Orleans during Katrina.

Small fire arms are no match for the technology, propaganda, surveillance, training, and budget of the State apparatus. Stealth civil disobedience is the way to win. "Oh what? Job? Taxes? Banks? Insurance? LOL! Those are mandatory? Who says? I am just a free soul, just sittin' here watching my garden grow and the flowers bloom. I am not part of your game, sir.

So be a slave is your advice?

Sorry sir, but I'd rather die a free man fighting oppressive murderous tyranny than live as a slave.

Enjoy your nightmare till they find an excuse to exterminate you.

My 'sorry sir' was for the authoratative thugs.

I feel perfectly free not playing their game. In fact, I was never freer. I am definitely not anyone's slave, not even an 'employers'. [cough]...er madam, to you...[bat eyelashes]

Quotes like a dialog would have helped. Sorry I didn't read it

that way.

Carry on.