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When They Come For Your Guns . . . You Will Turn Them Over

"When they come for my gun, they will have to pry it out of my cold, dead hands," is a common refrain I often hear from the Neo-Cons when there is a threat, credible or otherwise, that the US government is going to take their firearms.

And, when I hear this crazy talk, I agree with them openly. "You are right. They will pry your gun from your cold dead hands," which I often follow with the question, "And where will that leave you except face down in a pool of your own blood the middle of the street, just another dead fool resisting the State?"

This is not a question they are comfortable with, if only because the intent of their saber-rattling was to imply they would fight to keep their weapons, and win.

Nice fantasy. It’s not happening.

http://www.dollarvigilante.com/blog/2012/7/30/when-they-come...

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Technology is all well and good...

...but I have yet to see a single piece of technology that can render a .30 caliber rifle bullet useless. Spy planes, night vision, and propaganda don't stop bullets.

When you're being all peaceful and harmless, what happens when the jackbooted thugs decide they've had enough? What, are you going to love them to death? Perhaps you'll try to talk it over with the nice men pointing MP5s at you?

"You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word." - Al Capone. The State lives by this, and it's the only reasoning they understand.

And just FYI - Kevlar doesn't do a darn thing against most rifle rounds. THAT technology only makes dying more expensive.

Nukes? Bios? Microwaves?

Lasers? Techtonics? Mood control? GMO? Aerial sprays? Insect vector diseases? Climate weapons? Space weapons? Sound bombs? Drones that can see and hear inside your home from two miles up? Laser guided missiles? These are just a few that the general public knows about. I am sure I can not even conceive of the crap they have come up with. They have rendered most of the population useless with propaganda. Not you, but you are not such a threat without the 6.999 billion others.

Here we go...

Nukes - far too much collateral damage. If they felt the need to nuke one of their own cities, they'd have already lost.

Bioweapons - gas masks. Seriously, get one or a dozen, and plenty of filters. Also, way too much collateral damage again.

Lasers - sounds scary, but it's just as limited as any other weapon. It fires in a straight line with limited range, and the weapons use up a LOT of energy.

Techtonics - if you're claiming that they can cause earthquakes, you've lost me.

Mood control - to my knowledge, they don't have "pacifism rays" yet. Useless in a fight.

GMO - how, precisely, is it a weapon?

Aerial sprays - okay, Alex Jones, you're really starting to lose me, here.

Insect vector diseases - liberal use of Raid and Off Spray.

Climate weapons - oh, my. Watching Conspiracy Theory, much? I've seen no evidence that they exist, and I fail to see how they could be useful if they did.

Space weapons - such as...?

Sound bombs - new to me. Still a bomb, and bombs ain't magic.

Drones - yeah, the Afghans are dealing with those right now. If the SHTF, get a friggin' Stinger. I suspect you're exaggerating their audio-pickup abilities.

Laser-guided missiles - once again, they ain't magic. If it gets to the point that they use ANY of this crap, it'll already be all-out war, so counter them by taking out their delivery systems.

In short, several of these are unusable until the Powers that Be are lined up against a wall with rifles on their heads, and the rest? The only way to deploy them would be in a straight-up war, so the means and motivation to deal with them would be amply present. Also, quite a few seem ridiculous, at best. Chemtrails, really? Even with all this tech, whether it exists or not, a bullet to the chest will still shut someone down the same.

Now, if it comes to war, we the people have our own tactics to pull out.

Snipers - AKA hunting rifles. Those things are accurate and usually quite powerful. They are quite possibly the most common firearm next to the humble .22 in America. NOTHING is as demoralizing as urban combat filled with SNIPERS. See the Battle of Stalingrad.

Guerilla warfare - they can't tell who's a normal civvie and who's a soldier until the bullets fly.

Sabotage - the problem with hyper-advanced warfare is that one well-placed explosion will ROYALLY screw it up. Computers tend to be fragile things, and ultra-high-tech warfare relies on computers. Centralization is suicide.

Deserting soldiers - you can't deny, if it came down to it, a LOT (not the majority, but quite a few) of soldiers would defect, bringing their weapons, training, and knowledge with them.

All good points. Here is a weapons ban bill

that accordingly went nowhere but verifies the existence of these and more weapons. Yes, I promise the audio works too. Dunno how yet. Ticks like Off. GMOs and chemtrails are soft kill. The US, Mexico, and Candada(most world's GMO consumption)are dying early from obesity. GMOs like Aspertame make you fat and shrink your organs. Lots of studies out there on GMOS. Some old declassified documents from the sixties talks about bizzarre weapons too. That was fifty years ago. I'm am certain they did not quit dreaming up creepy stuff since then.

From Bill introduced By Dennis Kucinich in 2001, HR 2907, Banning Weirdo Weapons;

"(ii) Inflicting death or injury on, or damaging or destroying, a person (or the biological life, bodily health, mental health, or physical and economic well-being of a person)--

(I) through the use of any of the means described in clause (i) or subparagraph (B);

(II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based systems using radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic, sonic, laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or targeted populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or mind control of such persons or populations; or

(III) by expelling chemical or biological agents in the vicinity of a person.

(C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space."Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--

(i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;

(ii) chemtrails;

(iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems;

(iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons;

(v) laser weapons systems;

(vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and

(vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.

(C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space."
http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/hr2977.html

All tech has limitation, and all of it is vulnerable.

Resourcefulness is the ability to do much with seemingly little.

Back in 1775, the People raided an armory, today, we may take out a satcom station, or better yet, take it over and use if for our own defense to defeat the tyrants and spy on them.

Check my post above about how the militarization of police is a double edged sword.

It matters not what the toy can do, but rather who holds it. And there is no guarantee that whomever holds it now, is not on our side, or that if they aren't it will always be in their hands and not one day ours.

Sam Adams SCW

Your second paragraph is inflammatory and I'd use a bunch of other adjectives, but you're way over the top with that. This is a peace loving bunch and you can tighten up your reckless use of the word "we" while you're at it.

Reminds me of the time the Lone Ranger and Tonto were surrounded by Apaches. As the arrows are flying by, the Lone Ranger says to his trusty sidekick, "We are really in trouble now". His always glib partner, mutters quietly to himself, "What do you mean we, white man"

That makes me Tonto.

I think you're watching a bit too many Arnold Schwarznegger movies.

Peace, Love Dove, Power to the People.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

OK.

I'll be more to the point. Your statement above about "taking out a satcom station, or better yet, take it over and use if for our own defense to defeat the tyrants and spy on them." is the words of a reckless nut. A crackpot. A big mouth at a bar. You can stuff your "we and your "our" and your straw man arguments in your ass.

Out of context, you and the other big mouthed guy trying to send a message to Anonymous to criminally hack Federal government computers from this web site are asking for trouble without benefit.

I may be out of line being concerned for Mr. Nystrom's property, but I like to come here. I'm not going to be able to come here if there is a bunch of nuts advocating criminal activity that may subsequently come to fruition.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

There's nothing inflammatory about it.

I'm discussing how things have gone down in past examples that we have to draw on and extrapolating that to the future if the unthinkable occurs.

And I'm not going to qualify my "we" at all. It is a clear reference to the People. If you want to be included amongst the number of those murdered by your government early on - so be it. There will be others who will resist and fight. What I outlined wasn't a threat or an incitement, it was a logical presumption of the turn of possible events.

Get a clue and a grip.

I'm peace loving too. But that doesn't mean I will live as a slave or give up the means to defend myself and my country because some butthole says to. (or for any other reason than my own demise for that matter)

The reality is that when peace no longer exists, what will most likely happen as some of the early events in the conflict?

THAT is what the second paragraph was about.

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If registration is the way the owners would be

located, is there the possibility of "trading," bartering guns with no record-keeping? I am not a gun owner and likely too ignorant of the legal issues to be in this conversation; just wondering if trading could "lose" the tracking, or if that would just cause more problems for the original owners.

Guns are sold privately all the time.

Registration would serve to restrict that because then the original owner would be at least initially, held accountable for any crime committed with the gun down the road and he'd have no proof he no longer owned it.

Thus, either private sales would vaporize, or else even in those cases, registrations would be updated to reflect new ownership, effectively defeating the point of private sales to begin with.

Note, if a gun was stolen, and not yet (or at all) reported as such, then the same problems would result for the registered owner.

Tell that to the Russians that got thier asses kicked out of

Afghanistan that small arms are no match.

Private citizens purchased over 1 trillion rounds of ammunition in the last
3 1/2 years. I bet we have 2-4 trillion in reserve. The govt will lose by attrition if push comes to shove. They do not have the manpower to disarm us.

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

30 years and trillions of $

can buy a lot of creepy ideas, and armaments.

From Bill introduced By Dennis Kucinich in 2001, HR 2907, Banning Weirdo Weapons;

"(ii) Inflicting death or injury on, or damaging or destroying, a person (or the biological life, bodily health, mental health, or physical and economic well-being of a person)--

(I) through the use of any of the means described in clause (i) or subparagraph (B);

(II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based systems using radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic, sonic, laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or targeted populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or mind control of such persons or populations; or

(III) by expelling chemical or biological agents in the vicinity of a person.

(C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space."Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--

(i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;

(ii) chemtrails;

(iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems;

(iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons;

(v) laser weapons systems;

(vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and

(vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.

(C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space."
http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/hr2977.html

The Afgahnis were getting their ass handed to them by choppers.

It was the Americans with our shoulder-fired ground-to-air missiles that leveled the playing field - aka technology.

But that doesn't mean there aren't such arms in the hands of private individuals, or that raids on Guard armories wouldn't result in obtaining them.

Remember the American Revolution? It started with a raid on an armory by the citizenry.

Why did they have to raid the armory? Because there weren't enough guns in the hands of the citizens.

THAT is why they wrote the 2nd Amendment.

one word: Vietnam.

A bunch of rice farmers beat, yes BEAT the US Military Industrial Complex; the MIC may have 'won' their prolonging of the war profiteering, but they absolutely LOST the war: got their asses kicked by a bunch of rice farmers in pajamas with nothing more than an emphatic will to live/survive, be free, protect their loved ones, and their own lands. Oh, and of course, with a little aid: a bunch of Soviet drop-shipped AK47's.

Now, an astute geopolitical observer may correctly posit that perhaps MIC's sole concern was war-profiteering, and mattered not which side 'won,' as the banksters actively funded both (as they've always been known to do) US and the Soviets and the Vietnamese, by proxy. But, that does not change the fact that militarily, and politically, and morally-speaking (if that ever mattered to tyrants), they absolutely, without a doubt: LOST. Period.

But we have more M16/M4/AR15/M249/M60/M2/M1/M14 and AK47/AKM/AK74/RPK/PKM/SVD variants in both semi and military surplus/NFA-transferable Full-Auto/Select-Fire guns in private hands in this country than both sides of Vietnam combined, right now, today in America.

In fact, the Mil.Ind.Complex, have not won a SINGLE war, since WWII. PERIOD. They should really get off their high horses.

If there's one constant in history, it's the utter self-destructive hubris of the tyrants, and that they're ALWAYS beaten by 'mere peons,' eventually.

ALWAYS.

Seems like human history is just one long continuous cycle of struggle between the 'peons' vs. how long it takes before the more 'sensible' Ruling Class who have healthy fear of the 'peons' lose their control over their spoiled degenerate progeny, as they go F8ck up their own temporary sweet ride and all they've built, and arrogantly delude that 'this time we CAN crush those little peon buggers'... until they realize, 'Oh shit, here come the guillotines, again!'

LOL

And, slightly over a century later, apparently the progeny of the Ruling Class forget their own history, with the equal level of delusional arrogance they're currently employing against Afghanistan: 'This time, we will finally succeed in conquering Afghanistan!'

Um, NOT!

lol.

They've ALWAYS lost on foreign soils. And, they are currently losing on foreign soilS, again, even as we speak.

Seriously, not just Vietnam, but does Afghanistan ring a bell?

They're deploying far more military gear against a drastically far less armed populace than us, in Afghanistan. Yet, they're still getting their asses kicked, and will NEVER win in Afghanistan.

And, they have the audacity to delude that they can honestly murder into submission those who pay for their own toys? You know, an armed American populace with over 300~500 MILLION guns (NO gunowner I know only owns 'just' one gun) in private hands, who have far more to lose, even on a shallow materialistic level, than a Vietnamese rice farmer with a field and a hut ever had?

Dream on.

The morale of the troops are at the lowest that's ever been; their bodies and psyches are taxed to the limit.

Do they honestly believe that they can send them on one more suicide mission, to be told to arrest, murder and destroy their own families' neighbors and their properties?

Seriously? The Ruling Class actually delude that they're gonna 'win,' within CONUS, with 300~500MILLION+ guns in private hands in America?

LOLOLOLOL

The ONLY reason why we don't have the level of violent riots in America to the extent they had in Greece, is PRECISELY BECAUSE America has such a heavily armed populace.

NO truly conscious gunowner who puts in the time and their hard earned wealth into building their private armory has ANY wish to escalate into violence, or wish for the collapse of society as we know it.

That, is why American street protests are mostly devoid of sizable numbers (ie, 100,000+) of gunowners. Because NO gunowner wants to give govt ANY excuses. Because everyone knows once 'that' line is crossed, there is no going back.

That said, they better believe that once military trucks start rolling in, mass gun confiscations, NDAA kidnappings commence in earnest, and who knows: drones' Hellfire missiles dropping on the populace, even if they do stealth pocket-snatches/'dissident kidnappings' at 4am all across the country, once the word spreads and cannot be denied, it's all over... for them.

And, when a critical mass of the some 150~220 MILLION gunowners in America lose their faith in govt? ALL bets are off.

No offense, but this is WHY the 'well off,' even among my own fellow libertarians, who may have started out hungry, and often destitute, who were driven to succeed at all costs, once attained material comfort, often forgot their own hard-fought life lessons, that they're not immune to the same arrogance and/or irreverence of our statist enemies: they dismiss the power of human hope, and the will to survive, too easily.

Also, that is just one more reason why the extremely wealthy NEVER, if ever, fight wars, of real necessity.

I have no such illusions as Mr. Karger, the contributing writer to Jeff Berwick's blog, has.

History teaches us otherwise.

Those who delude it's "impossible" to take on the massive military might, are utterly clueless of the human will to be free; the writer is kidding himself if he honestly thinks that people are simply gonna roll over, when they start having their own loved ones kidnapped, rumors of their neighbors being snatched up in the middle of the night, or seeing dead bodies of their loved ones and their neighbors start piling up.

Also, that assumes that the MIC corporatist-hijacked govt's 2am snatch and grab raids against the 'undesirables, troublemakers, dissidents, and political activists' will always go well.

Which is laughable, considering their level of 'success' in raiding the wrong homes. Frankly, SWAT teams across America probably killed annually more innocent dogs of the wrong address they raided, than they murdered the real 'bad guys,' combined.

They also assume that the military's will and their resources are infinite. They're not. EVERYONE knows this.

With all this talk of debt and bankruptcy, and the coming currency collapse, how can ANY 'libertarian' ignore the reality of limited nature of 'govt's resources?'

Also, frankly, purely by the size of the population and market for guns alone, there are FAR more physical/absolute number of capable shooters within the general populace, than perhaps the 2+ Million-ish military and police, combined.

Besides, the writer also suffers from years of MSM propaganda that made the military and police into some rare genetic superhero specimen.

They're not. They're only human.

Ah... only if the general populace actually knew...

But more alarmingly, why does a 'libertarian' writer not realize that the military training, except for SPECOPS units, are trained to be a common denominator. It's govt, remember??

Moi? Not worried: there are about 500,000~a million recently retired GOOD military veterans and GOOD retired cops, along with millions more from the feistier generation who don't take sh*t from anyone, who are utterly aware of what's going on, KNOW who really 'runs' things, who know a thing or two about asymmetrical warfare, like the Vietnamese did.

The only difference is, the Vietnamese sovereigns had maybe one or two generations of those who knew 'how-to-fight against Western military powers, asymmetrically.' If not, simply figuring out as they went along, altogether. But, the American gunowners now have the benefit of history, and multiple generations of conflicts in which AW tactics were/are studied, practiced and tuned to a fine art.

In fact, I'll call the likes of Mr. Karger what they really are: limousine libertarians, just like their 'conservative' and liberal counterparts.

But, none of this matters. Those who won't fight, will never fight. Those who value life, their loved ones, their freedoms, and their property, WILL ALWAYS fight.

That, has never ever changed throughout history.

It's good that these names are getting out there, now.

Then again, it's not like true libertarians ever really expect to get help; when one's on the right path, kindred spirits will reveal themselves, and join, spontaneously, just like how EVERYONE from ridiculously disparate professional backgrounds and interests coalesced around the R3VOLution: a spontaneous order. A concept libertarians SHOULD be familiar with, all too well.

And, frankly, there are far more armed paleoconservatives/Christian-Patriot Movement/Militia/libertarians/minarchists/ancaps/voluntaryists, and even some liberals AND a few neoCons who respect the Vietnamese example, than not.

But frankly, as stated before, none of this matters. For now it's all talk. People do surprisingly right things, when they cannot deny that their own lives, and those of their loved ones are under severe, irrevocable threat.

Like previous times in human history: the same factions will form, the same factions will resist, the same factions will be reluctant, the same cowards will re-emerge only after the smoke has cleared, only to rewrite their own history as heroes, and banksters will seek to control all sides.

Humans, so what else is new?

PS: To all you busy-bodied govt critters who may be lurking, don't bother trying to twist sh*t around: NONE of this is advocating violence, NOR condoning such.

It is merely a hypothetical third person postulation of what MAY happen based on simply knowing about what happened previously in human history, and HOW some segment of the population MAY respond. This is only a PEACEFUL intellectual exercise.

But, if you are reading, you should know that you're on the wrong side of history. If you had any conscience, you'd seek another line of work, because you're simply contributing to evil. And if you believe in Karma, it does not look good. So reconsider. Save your souls.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Great post, I admire your confidence

Unfortunately, i have pretty much lost all confidence in the American Sheeple to do the right thing...

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

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Why all the down votes? He is telling the truth. Americans are a bunch of little girls nowadays running around afraid of their own shadow, Scared Allah is hiding under their bed waiting to steal their toys . They will give them up, no question about it.
Any zones give them any problems about it i will guarantee you a couple of cluster bombs exploding over their heads will make them comply immediately. Our little pop guns aren't crap. They will give them up gladly when they demonstrate what might happen if they don't... Hell, they gave our whole country away along with our kids and grand kids futures as well, whats to make me think they wont give up a freaking gun? They don't have a country left to die for anyway....its pathetic...

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

Your right

Americans will let their wives and daughters be groped by the TSA and stand down.

The time to resist is right freaking now. If they actually come for the guns it will be time to run to the hills. I wont wait at home for the knock.

peAce

Liberty = Responsibility

there are 100 million gun

there are 100 million gun owners in the usa. The question is how many will be willing to fight to defend the constitution. It only took 3% of the population to win our freedom during the revolutionary war. If ten per cent of the gun owners are willing to fight to the death to defend that freedom then that will be an army of ten million patriots. Make no mistake, there would be massive casualties on both sides. As for me, give me liberty or give me death.

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Not just Neocons

So you consider anyone willing to fight for their guns Neocons? That seems a bit misguided. What was your point in even posting this anyway we don't need to hear your negativity.

It is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. – Mark Twain

If it happens

and I take more than one of them with me,I'll consider it a success.

If not us than who?

Speak for yourself

Some individuals do not rationalize cowardice, nor how many ways a tyrant's ring can be kissed