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How To Directly Challenge The 2-party War Party

Say it with me a thousand times if you must *** "Only a nationwide "2-party Liberty Party" will defeat a nationwide "2-party War Party"."

Those of us who started the r3VOLution well before Ron Paul threw his hat into the Presidential race back in 2007 had realized that the libertarian party is a failed "liberty advancing strategy".

What is in a name? How do people come to say "I'm a Nicks fan" or "I'm a democrat"?

People's political identities and feel-good loyalties are mostly ruled by their first family & group associations. Hence, each year, millions of new democrats are literally born into 'democratic families'. And each year, millions of new republicans are literally born into 'republican families'.

And sadly we realized the math. Each year, the 200,000 registered libertarians have the lowest birthrate among any political grouping. Hence, if all libertarian females had 20 children each for 100 years, we would STILL not grow our numbers enough, hell we would not even put a dent in it.

Hence, the idea of the "rEVOLution" was born.

And we have been very clear on our strategic direction. If the "2-party War Party" is to be seriously & directly challenged, there MUST be a "2-party Liberty Party".

Thus came our goal.

*** "Only a nationwide "2-party Liberty Party" will defeat a nationwide "2-party War Party"."

Now is the time. Now is the time for "Jefferson Democrats" to step up and be counted inside the DNC.

Got nothing more to do (this election cycle) inside the Republican party? Did not become a Republican PC? Well, join the DNC.

Do not forget, RP Patriots need a "left-hook" to their "right-jab".

*** Only a nationwide "2-party Liberty Party" will defeat a nationwide "2-party War Party".

Come on Left-Hook. Find your anti-war leftist brothers and sisters and get them to STAND UP to the WarHawks inside the DNC. Fight the good fight. Be a brave hero and fight for Liberty and Peace inside the DNC.

*** "Only a nationwide "2-party Liberty Party" will defeat a nationwide "2-party War Party"."

Treg




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I love this concept.

Treg is on to something here.

RP supporters have and will continue to take over the GOP at every level.

By growing the liberty base throughout the Democratic Party we will naturally counteract the war machine through on both sides of the aisle.

Remember when Clinton was President and the US had a 'balanced budget' - it's important to note that Republicans controlled the House and Senate - making them responsible for nearly all policy decisions.

By instituting liberty on both wings of the beast we will get much closer to liberty much more quickly.

C4RP

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You want some math?

My county is the most active voting county in CA. Population 36K. Voting population 24K, last election was a low turn out

10K for Obama
just over 3K for Romney
756 Ron Paul
Under 1K all third parties combined (GJ got 21 votes)
(indys are in the mix of parties)

The Democratic Party is the biggest party by far. Twice as big as the GOP, they have 40 committee seats and every one of them is filled with a Clinton and now Obama Democrat. You can not get a seat for two years. If you register Democrat you have to wait a year to even try. The GOAL for the Democratic Party is to be THE Party, the ONLY Party, like Communist China. The peer pressure is great to join, as my registering GOP, I lost friends, won't talk to me, Ron Paul is so HATED by this group, my committee chair told me, "Gesh, aren't you afriad you'll get your car keyed with all the Ron Paul stuff?" I respnded, "My car was keyed". I was audited TWO years in a row, the auditor said, "Gee I wish I had money to give to MY presidentail cnadidate".

The GOP on the other hand, has nearly 8K registered voters and 21 committee seats. My first meeting there were two people. When I showed up, the other three of four took an interest, but have since backed down. Now we have 5 Ron Paul Republicans seated, they have 5, and there are 11 seats up for grabs, we are both trying to fill.

CA general election puts the top TWO candiates on the ballot. It will be a Democrat, incumbant Obama, and a Republican. GJ will NOT be on the ballot.

When I came to this rEVOLution, I had worked three elections for Ralph Nader on ballot access and opening debates. All we won were law suits. I hoped in 07, Ron Paul would pick up where Nader left off. I refused to join the GOP.

This election, I gave into Ron Paul, and found Ron Paul was RIGHT ON. Empty, powerful seats, for the taking. Sure I had to work at getting my seat because I ran into the committee wrapped in Ron Paul Gear, saying, RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL.... they hated me. They didn't help me at all. But I petitioned as a Ron Paul Republican and I won, so I have my seat.

Now that I have my seat, it's no longer about Ron Paul rEVOLution... it's all about a "Liberty movement". Ron Paul who? Paul isn't Ron Paul, it's Peace, Gold and Love, or Liberty....

I see the GOP being reduced to a third party after Romney loses, and the Democratic Party achieving it's goal as being THE ONE AND ONLY PARTY with sub committees. As for Liberty? LOL Well, I guess some here have that figured out, "It's an Idea". An idea that doesn't have a place in the Democratic Party where I live, and don't expect to see it actualize into the NWO prison planet.

I wish you lots of Luck though.

Each County is different. You are doing right in yours

Where the DNC is dominate, it makes sense for us ideologues to take over the weaker desperate party, GOP.

Where the GOP is dominate, it makes sense for us ideologues to take over the weaker desperate party, the DNC.

Justin Riamondo points out in his many essays how the ideologues-neocons- small in number work both parties to their benefit.

It can be the same for us too, and there many more liberty ideologues.
I see the rest of the voting class, the 98%, as followers of ideas and feelings. Or rather, followers of their feelings which are formed by ideas they hold. The Humanitarian Warlovers (think Madeline Halfbright) in the DNC and the NeoCons in the GOP shape those ideas in such a way as to prick those War-like feelings. Then they control the idea flow by setting the boundaries of what is acceptable and not acceptable by "attacks" on the "bad guys", the liberals/conservatives. That tells the rank and file what their identity is since they hold those FEELINGs. So successful is the war party that neither side sees the other as anything but the enemy, yet their policy goals are the SAME. Win for War.

Well two can play that game. We need to learn how to "prick" that emotional skin for the feelings of PEACE and "live and let live" liberty. Then we (Ron Paul Patriots in the GOP and Jefferson Democrats in the DNC) shall control the idea flow by setting the boundaries of what is acceptable and not acceptable by "attacks" on the "bad guys", the Liberals/conservatives. That will tell the rank and file what their identity is since they hold those FEELINGS. By going inside the 2-party duopoly successfully by our Liberty Party, neither will sees the other as anything but the enemy, yet our policy goals are the SAME: A Win for Liberty & Peace.

You know we have "Won" when the DNC and the GOP put forth two Liberty loving candidates, yet 98% of the rank n file in both parties "Thinks" there is significant fundamental differences. That will be a victory for us, and a clear defeat of the War Party.

Treg

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IN CA the Democratic Party is not weak anywhere

Even where there are many Republicans, the Democratic Party has the power in CA, as Arnold won because his wife was a registered Democrat and part of Camelot.

Also, the way I see it, is when the Neos/ Neocons in the GOP outting conservatives, and Neocliberals in the DP outting Liberals, move to their mutual goal of a NWO, the Neos are abandoning the GOP ship, and why there are so many empty seats, where the Democratic Party, who has a platform that better reflects the NWO, will marginalize (as they have Obama who could have campaigned as a Jeffersonian Democrat) and eliminate the Jefferson Democrats with far more success than the GOP was able to out RP Republicans.

I think "Jefferson Democrats" are not fighters, but joiners who want an easy way, and want us to believe they can do what we did in the GOP, but I don't see it happening.

How many Jeffersonian Democrats are seated on committees and holding offices? Where and who are they?

Each County is different. You are doing right in yours

Where the DNC is dominate, it makes sense for us ideologues to take over the weaker desperate party, GOP.

Where the GOP is dominate, it makes sense for us ideologues to take over the weaker desperate party, the DNC.

Justin Riamondo points out in his many essays how the ideologues-neocons- small in number work both parties to their benefit.

It can be the same for us too, and there many more liberty ideologues.
I see the rest of the voting class, the 98%, as followers of ideas and feelings. Or rather, followers of their feelings which are formed by ideas they hold. The Humanitarian Warlovers (think Madeline Halfbright) in the DNC and the NeoCons in the GOP shape those ideas in such a way as to prick those War-like feelings. Then they control the idea flow by setting the boundaries of what is acceptable and not acceptable by "attacks" on the "bad guys", the liberals/conservatives. That tells the rank and file what their identity is since they hold those FEELINGs. So successful is the war party that neither side sees the other as anything but the enemy, yet their policy goals are the SAME. Win for War.

Well two can play that game. We need to learn how to "prick" that emotional skin for the feelings of PEACE and "live and let live" liberty. Then we (Ron Paul Patriots in the GOP and Jefferson Democrats in the DNC) shall control the idea flow by setting the boundaries of what is acceptable and not acceptable by "attacks" on the "bad guys", the Liberals/conservatives. That will tell the rank and file what their identity is since they hold those FEELINGS. By going inside the 2-party duopoly successfully by our Liberty Party, neither will sees the other as anything but the enemy, yet our policy goals are the SAME: A Win for Liberty & Peace.

You know we have "Won" when the DNC and the GOP put forth two Liberty loving candidates, yet 98% of the rank n file in both parties "Thinks" there is significant fundamental differences. That will be a victory for us, and a clear defeat of the War Party.

Treg

Yes, please BUY this wonderful libertarian BOOK! We all must know the History of Freedom! Buy it today!

"The System of Liberty: Themes in the History of Classical Liberalism" ...by author George Smith --
Buy it Here: http://www.amazon.com/dp/05211820

I agree, but the first order of business

I agree, but the first order of business should be to reach out to all delegates going to Tampa. THEY are the ones who will decide the nominee in Tampa - not the average voting dem or repub. AFTER Tampa, I agree, this should be a full swing effort.

Please, if you have not yet volunteered to take a state, please do so now:

http://www.dailypaul.com/246094/repost-the-most-important-th...

2014 Liberty Candidate Thread: http://www.dailypaul.com/287246/2014-liberty-candidate-thread

2016 Potential Presidential Candidates: http://alturl.com/mt7tq

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

God Bless YOU

And THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you Granger :-)

If each of us takes part, we can do this. Hopefully you will help in this effort :-)

2014 Liberty Candidate Thread: http://www.dailypaul.com/287246/2014-liberty-candidate-thread

2016 Potential Presidential Candidates: http://alturl.com/mt7tq

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul