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LASPAC: Gary Johnson gets 19% in nationwide poll

The Libertarian Action Super PAC (LASPAC) sent the appeal below:

We just conducted a nationwide telephone poll of registered voters. Here’s what the poll sounded like:

http://youtu.be/N0LWYdp4vP8

The results:
Barack Obama 56%
Gary Johnson 19%
Undecided/neither 25%

You may be thinking, “Why does that matter, since it doesn’t include the Republican?”

Here’s why it matters:

Gallup has been conducting presidential polls just like this:
http://www.gallup.com/pol...

Note the wording of their question:
“Suppose the presidential election were held today. If Barack Obama were the Democratic Party’s candidate and Mitt Romney were the Republican Party’s candidate, who would you vote for, Barack Obama, the Democrat or Mitt Romney, the Republican?”

It includes the incumbent, Obama, plus one selected challenger, Romney — and no one else.

Continue:
http://www.independentpol...




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I just wanted to mention that this post has 66 up votes...

as of now - http://www.dailypaul.com/most-contentious - just for the record.

The margin would fool you with +2. I have suggested a fix for this to the mods.

I want Obama gone.

I'll support the RINO-est of RINOs to see it happen if necessary. Most Ron Paul supporters will disagree and that's fine. To each his own opinion. But, I've just found out too much stuff on Obama within the past year to monkey around with third party candidates. ABO 2012!!!

We can use Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Jim Demint, and Kurt Bills to hold ABO's feet to the fire on military non-intervention. But, in my humble opinion, Obama must go.

Obamney must go!

Governor

Governor, I served with Ron Paul, I know Ron Paul, Ron Paul is a friend of mine. Governor, you're no Ron Paul.

Ronald Reagan to GJ, if RR were alive.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

folks like you make me wonder

folks like you make me wonder why the f am i wasting my time in the gop. People like you are why i never joined the gop untilo i heard ron paul. now folks like you make me want to say f the gop because of folks like YOU!!!!!

Ron Paul 2016

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In reality you wouldnt make it in the GOP.
You do not have conservative, consistent values that a traditional republican is supposed to have.
My values are consistent, conservative and have very strict views on how government should be run according to our constituion.
you do not, by you own admissions on these posts.

Im quite sure the GOP will not miss you.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

thanks i will stop wasting my

thanks i will stop wasting my time. you can do all the work in my county in colorado now. fuck you

Ron Paul 2016

your head is up your own azz,

your head is up your own azz, did you just say that? do you want to lose? i am a pcp and got a 100% vote for ron paul in the republican party in my county. You sir need to shut the fuc.K up. Now i know your an enemy to freedom and liberty . Your everything wrong with the gop and should be ousted just like the romney lovers. your right i am no longer a republican. I see ron paul folks like you and i sure do not want to waste my time in the gop. I will let you do all the work, you seem to have all the bases covered. I guess you beter recuit an illegal or lefty to fill my spot in the gop. I guess dp will have to ban me or i will ban myself. If anything ron paul folks like you are driving folks away including a hard core supporter like me. You are a joke. Who needs enemies when we have jerks like you. f you and your small tent gop. your partyy will be a 3rd party soon becuase of actions likje yours driving ron paul suppporters away.

Ron Paul 2016

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Theres been too much banning and not enough arguing.
You think the founders would have banned and walked away??? anyone I doubt anyone here will do that.
Remember.
problems are NEVER as permanent as a solution.

I went up against the establishment in our own district and called them out in front of 200 people.
I have credentials and I have actually helped put Ron Paul where he is by supporting him for 20 years in our district and learning not only his message but the several different ways he repeats them to different minds.
Paul is BY FAR the smartest politician to hit the earth in at least a hundred years.
I have put all my eggs in one basket AGAIN in 2012.
I will never EVER EVER support anyone else for president, when Dr. paul is on the stage or close to it..
NEVER.
In our district, I saw first hand why the establishment HATES Paul and I want others to hate me just like that, if they DO SO for having taken Pauls positions in their entirety, that tells me Im right.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

Exactly.

obviously

you can post whatever you like, but if anyone wanted to hear news about gary, we'd go to his site.

i guess after the convention.

i guess after the convention. We will. Folks if you think trashing gary is winning you friends to liberty. your sadly mistaken. I have never been so dissapointed in ron paul supporters. You all make me want to say F THE GOP, way to go.

Ron Paul 2016

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If you are a GJ supporter you never were a Republican nor a real ron paul supporter.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

BS

Oh please that's complete bullshit. Take your friends where you can find them. Gary Johnson is no Ron Paul, but he's a better choice and voting for him in November sends a clear signal that you're done with "business as usual". It's a clear signal that you really want less government authority. The ACLU rates Gary Johnson the highest among presidential candidates. In fact, it rates Ron Paul as the second highest, followed by Barack Obama (#3) & Buddy Roemer (#4). We may be Right of the Republicans and Left of the Democrats, but we're anti-authoritarian through and through.

Besides, I own my vote--not the GOP. They can put forward any candidate they want, but they've got to nominate someone tolerable for me to vote for them.

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Please give me one way GJ is different then obamney.
give one major philosophy GJ has shown to support your case.

I know you own your vote and I am here to tell you to your cyber face that you are being misled by GJ and he is a tool for the establishment.
The same establishment that is 85-95% of our government.
no different then Dennis"air force one" Kucinich.
no different then Bernie "SELL OUT" Sanders.
No different then, Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi..

GJ agrees with them on every major philosophy they have.

If Ron Paul and GJ were ever in a debate, Ron would sink GJ as a liberty candidate. GJ will NEVER debate ron Paul instead he will mislead and say he has the same positions and take them as his own, but never explain WHY he has them or the outcome HE THINKS will be accomplished by his message because HE HAS NONE OF HIS OWN.

and BTW.
NM takes $2.45 for every dollar they send in to the FED.J balanced his books on the backs of taxpyers, and do not try and spin anything different.

While Gov, GJ/NM took in 2 1/2 times the amount given the FED.
Any 17 yo Paul supporter could have balanced the books with that much play in a small economy like NM.
Thats 150% play, in real numbers.
also it is very easy for a governor to use smoke and mirrors to hide reality. Look at Perry from Texas. We have a bigger deficit then Ca. but no one knows it. smoke
and
mirrors.

I would NEVER trust GJ and you are making a huge mistake.
Let it not be said, someone did not try and warn you.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

duplicate oops

duplicate oops

Ron Paul 2016

Gary Johnson 2012 over

Gary Johnson 2012 over Obamney, Johnson/Paul 2012 or vice versa if the gop does not nominate Ron Paul 2012!!!! ps 15% national would put gary on the debate stage against obamney!! a good way to kick the GOP IN THE BALLS if they do not nominate Ron Paul. I am sure Gary would remind the gop how they treated him this go around. Priceless!!!

Ron Paul 2016

This is complete Bullshit

Gary Johnson?? Libertarian party?? This is what they want. They want us to go away. No fuckling way. Going away and NOT taking over the GOP is a slap in the face for those of us that have been fighting this for a long time. What the fuck people? Some of our patriots have broken bones, have been humiliated and treated like shit. Go away??? Vote Gary and Libertarian party? The party that can't even agree on their platform?

Look around you, you aren't taking over anything.

I prognosticate that when the dust has settled, nothing of import will have been accomplished in the attempt to wrest control of the GOP from those who currently hold sway.

In States where leadership has been voted out, the old guard bankrupted the parties and took all the money. They maintain contact with the membership and are operating "rump" parties that will eventually take back over the "official" apparatus.

If leadership wasn't voted out, those that retained power will manage to expel or marginalize all Paul supporters within their ranks.

This was an all or nothing coup. You either take everything, or you get nothing. Paul already admitted he will not be the nominee. Thus, he doesn't get everything and the rest will be merely a matter of time before it collapses and vanishes.

What is so sad, is the LP is ripe for the plucking. No need to fight anyone. Just walk right in and start running things the way you want to.

But noooo......

The BS here is...

To put party loyalty above ideological loyalty. Romney's going to lose regardless: I would never vote for him and, last I checked, I'm registered Republican. We've tried giving the GOP the carrot (taking a big-tent approach--accepting our presence and our interest) but it's coming time for the stick (sticking to ideological purity & voting for the best candidate). Mitt Romney isn't that candidate. Mitt Romney wants some gun control and some government healthcare and loves the idea of the individual mandate. He stands with foreign countries and international organizations over our own Constitution. He'll wield his pen and his position to further the dangerous precedents of executive power. While Mitt Romney may be better than Obama on several issues, his style and political philosophy allow the next president to reverse the decisions without relinquishing the power.

another one of those ron paul

another one of those ron paul purists. Who cannot walk and chew gum at the same time. There is nothing stopping you from staying a republican and voting for someone other then obamney. If Ron paul is not the nominee. Then Gary is a Viable option and can get on the debate stage. There is NO REASON why you cannot remain a republican like me and vote to hold the gop accountable by not voting romney or obama and voting Gary Johnson if RON PAUL IS NOT THE NOMINEE. RON PAUL 2012 , ps tired of the bs purists here on dp. If ron paul is not the nominee? are you going to cry or something or start bitching at gary supporters for not voting romney. geez wake the f UP peoples!! You can take back the gop and vote for indy's lp or whoever to hold the gop accountable at the federal,state or local level and still reclaim the gop. Walk and chew gum it is possible!!

Ron Paul 2016

Well most people

Don't really care about GJ. We want RP and we do NOT want another candidate being on the dailyPAUL while the RNC has yet to come! IMO the GJ pushers were the first to entirely give up on this election and basically trashed their own hard work and many others (delegates etc) for Gary. At the very least you guys can shut it up with GJ until AFTER august 28. Until then Fuck GJ, RON PAUL 2012 REVOLUTION!

"you're a funny dude, but who gives a fuck about that? I don't care about someone's wit, I care about the courage of their heart and the honesty of their mind."

Trash?

You think it's trash that some of us had no opportunity to send delegates? I'm in New York. This state WILL go for a Democrat in 2012 and probably for years to come. We contributed $1M in RP2012 donations and ZERO delegates since we lost all CDs and at-large delegates. Instead, Mitt Romney's campaign's delegates were selected and will be seated. We did what we could. Our delegate candidates have zero say and we as voters have zero say. But guess what: life's tough, the party's bylaws are stone solid, and our time is out. The RP2012 campaign has a couple million in the bank and we were a late primary.

It's time to refocus on what we can do to further the cause. That means Gary Johnson over Mitt Romney. That means that, even if you don't support abortion rights or marijuana deregulation, conservatives disgusted with the party should vote against their party. It's not like we'll win either way, but our disgruntled message will ring loud and clear for years to come. That goes for all safe-Democrat states: mainly the Northeast & the West Coast.

Yeah okay

GJ over Romney but forget talking about it 24/7 on RP forums. I'm tired of hearing it, i'll jump on the bandwagon after the RNC, like we all should have regardless of our state positions.

"you're a funny dude, but who gives a fuck about that? I don't care about someone's wit, I care about the courage of their heart and the honesty of their mind."

One meaningful thing you can push for

at the state level would be to do what Maine and Nebraska have courageously
done - make it so your state's Electoral College votes are awarded proportionally
rather than winner take all.

No state doing that would be considered "safe" and
therefore could not be safely ignored as non-battleground states are now.

GJ = a more believable Bob Barr

Gary Johnson is this year's more believable version of the 2008 Bob Barr candidacy. For those of you new to the RP movement, please Google Bob Barr and learn up on him. The Libertarian Party actually presented this guy as their nominee in 2008. His prior libertarian experience basically consisted of:
1) Speaking well of Ron Paul at CPAC.
...and, that was it.

Then, Bob Barr got the LP nomination and dissed RP on a couple of occasions (e.g., one where RP tried to get people to see past the 2-party divisive mentality by getting Ralph Nader, Chuck Baldwin (the Constitution Party candidate), Cynthia McKinney (a Democrat), and Bob Barr to join him in pushing forward an inclusive anti-empire message/agenda. But Bob Barr separated himself from their unity). And what's Bob Barr up to now? Again, Google him and learn.

The whole Gary Johnson "movement" is, once again, about providing a false liberty choice. Not only does it diminish from the positive message that RP *still* is providing (he's not gone yet!), it brings into serious question the real motives of those who have influence within the LP.

No thanks.

you always have obama/romney

you always have obama/romney or goode if gary is not to your liking .All of this of course if ron paul is not the nominee.

Ron Paul 2016

Precisely. Gary Johnson is

Precisely. Gary Johnson is as good as Barack Obama or Mitt Romney. Take your pick. I'll pick 'None of the above'.

Wrong


Bob Barr was a Neocon, right-wing, corporatist, Rush Limbaugh devotee, pro-Establishment, and social repressionist during his days as a member of U.S. Congress.

So that is why his so-called "transformation" to a Libertarian rang hollow, and why it was obvious that he was not to be believed.

But Gary Johnson was an actual Governor. He has a real track record. He is an honest man, who would seriously make big changes in many important areas.


Like I said: He's a more believable libertarian...

...But he's still not authentic. Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTch7InkZjo

And watch the early Repub debates. He converged on RP's views on the basis of what was "practical" and what we could "afford" but had no concept of the moral basis for which RP's arguments are founded. This isn't much different, IMO, than how Obama ran last time around. He was against this war or that but didn't pull from within any solid moral foundation for those beliefs. Little wonder when he did a 180 because he had been so easily convinced that the 'practical' approach actually required murdering lots of brown-skinned foreigners.