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Some of you owe Rand Paul an apology

I have heard that the Paul festival and Sun Dome facilities were releaesed 2 days after the Rand Paul endorsement.

Could this be part of the "bigger picture" that many of us do not get to see behind the scenes?

If so, some people owe Rand an apology.

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The establishment

wants us to eat our own, the establishment wants to divide us, and division about Rand Paul is apparent. I will not divide, I support Rand Paul 100%.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

[on my knees and bowing]

Oh thank you, Great Senator and Plenipotentiary Politically Savvy Paul. I am so grateful you have allowed me to spend my time and money to travel to Tampa to visit with cool liberty peeps, pay for the unorganized Paul Festival that you won't be attending, listen to liberty speakers and bands, and most especially support the brave and sacrificing RP delegates who are still supporting your dad at a great expense.

I am so so very sorry for not supporting you wholeheartedly just because you are the son of Ron Paul the Great. I am sorry I questioned you about interchanging the words deficits and debts during your entire campaign. I should have known you have a bigger Mises library than your dad(or perhaps your wife has allowed you to balance the checkbook once). I am sorry I moaned about your support of Iranian sanctions, perhaps it will not be the genocide the Iraqi sanctions were. And, by all means, keep shaming, deriding, and mocking us 'Internet extremist, you know 'we think we own the Internet'.

[kiss toes]



"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

Tom Woods 2016...

I deeply respect Rand... as an eye doctor. People with poor eyesight in Kentucky sure could use his help.

Don't lie to us. Don't use sneaky stealth political maneuvers. Be bold. Proclaim the truth. And the TRUE HEROES, the grassroots, will take up the slack...

~wobbles but doesn't fall down~


Unless the outcome is a 2012 Paul Presidency I don't owe Rand a GD thing except maybe a swift punch in the gut for being a Hack.....NO EXCUSE for what that little Leprechaun did especially at the time he did it.... NONE ! You can sprinkle coat that Turd as much as you like...its still a Turd.....

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

Rand is not Ron

Rand is his own person. He is less idealistic and more political savvy. Undoubtedly he will not attract the purists as Ron can.

I don't think Rand is as strong in his convictions, but he is relatively young.

I suspect he may be pocketing favors, jockeying for senate minority/majority leader consideration when McConnell retires.

So many speculate about Rand 2016. The man himself has hardly said a damn word in that direction. Who really knows where the guy is headed.

I'm just guessing here...

but its clear to me that Rand has done a great amount for positive work for the cause of liberty, both as a Senator and as Ron's son. Here's my assumption: not a one of you have come close to doing as much direct action as he has accomplished. You can hate because that's what haters do but my response will always be "put up or shup up"...and Rand has made many more good choices than bad.

Only time will tell if Rand's strategy will bear any fruit

What we do know is that he sat in front of national cameras and lied to us all about endorsing a war mongering, debt piling, flip-flopper and all he got in exchange is the opportunity to lie to us again at the RNC Convention. Let's wait and see how it all turns out.

Ron Paul 2012


Rand is playing for 2016. If we still have a functioning system then, I'll look him over and compare him to whoever else may be running. I understand what he did, doesn't mean I agree though. I'm betting he understood there would be a backlash from the liberty movement. I don't think he anticipated how damaging his endorsement would be, or how permanently he ruined his reputation with half of the Ron Paul Revolution. I believe he is doing a lot more good in the senate than harm, (I didn't care for his Iran sanctions vote, but on NDAA, Drones, Targeted Killings of Americans, Patriot Act, etc. he's with us.)

While he made his bed and now has to lie in it, I am not going to rub his nose in his own dookie like many here do. We don't know what the Doc and Rand have talked about and planned. I believe there are plans happening that we aren't privy to, so I'm not jumping on the Bash Rand bandwagon.

I'm not supporting GJ, but I'm not going to bash him either.

thank you

great post indeed. I'm with you.

Great comment, Kelldor.

I agree with everything your wrote. I really don't want to bash GJ, either. But some people here make that very, very difficult. Some of his positons don't help make it easier, either.

If Rand Paul does run in 2016, the only thing I will want to know is whether or not he receives and accepts donations from AIPAC and friends.

Thank you Nonna and NY4RP.

Nonna, I think you make a GREAT point on seeing whether or not he ever takes money from AIPAC. I don't believe he ever will.

One thing I learned in my life, Kelldor, is to never

say "never". Life throws too many curves to be so certain about what anybody, and I do mean that for everybody, including myself, would or wouldn't do. Here's one time I would use "never": Ya never really know what you'd do in unexpected situations. The primal instincts take over reasoning at certain times, especially survival instincts.

Politicians are not exempt because of accepting an offer they can't refuse. I would hope Rand keeps his hands clean. Now, that's something that's "never" easy in politics. Not impossible... just not easy or very common.

I'm very grateful to and proud of Rand Paul

Like his father, he's way ahead of his time and far smarter and braver than any GJ pretend libertarian (all posers).

Good point

From personal experience I can attest it is much more difficult to work with their corrupt system. It's easier to be a ineffective Libertarian than it is to get involved and be effective.

That is the honest to God TRUTH

((((((RiverRun)))))))) Thank you for THE TRUTH.

Kiss my a**

I don't owe anyone anything. Nice try though.

"It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men. "

Rand may as well have

Rand may as well have endorsed Bush Jr. for a 3rd term -- Romney's cabinet positions are all Bush—Neocon lickspittles.
The willful ignorance of people like you make me ill.

Whatever Rand's motivations, he has damaged our cause and his reputation.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan


... endorsing that neo-con statist on the Hanity show... the consequences of compromise: Bush-Dole-Bush-McCain-Romney... "we don't need no stinking facilities..."... we have the world as our parish... stand firm against the establishment... never succumb to their wishes... the GOP Politburo be damned!

Plano TX


I don't think we can assume Rand's motivation or purpose. I'm not prone to snap conclusions about who is a traitor to the cause. For that it will require a chain of abuses.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

I owe Rand

the one finger salute.

Up yours, bro!


Are you saying THIS is what we got for his GIGANTIC BETRAYAL?!?


You can NEVER excuse or downplay the way Rand and Jesse and Trygve torpedoed this entire campaign.

"Truth is an absolute defense to the charge of paranoia."

I agree with SteveMartin -if anyone should apologize, it's Rand

If anyone owes anyone an apology, Rand certainly owes all patriots one, including any and every man who has ever shed blood for the cause of liberty.

But in this case I think it's too late to apologize. After what Rand did, not only in endorsing Romney, and the timing, but in all of the following remarks amidst the fall-out, an apology seems a silly thought anyway.

I may feel some pity for Rand as I would not have wanted to be in his shoes, having already committed while running for senate, to endorse the Republican nominee. But like Maine delegates learned, you really can't commit under the penalty of perjury(i believe it was)to a future act...

Time will tell the story.

I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war. Ps 120:7
Better to be divided by truth than united in error.
The local church(not a building -a people) is the missing link. The time to build is now.

I don't owe Rand an apology or a single thing.

After the convention in the eastern states like Oregon, delegates were dealing with broken fingers and numerous legal challenges which were almost too much to bear.

Thanks to a coordinated team all efforts succeeded and the bad guys were soundly defeated, including the few humiliated corrupt cops. No thanks to Rand Paul sitting on the sidelines, trying to scheme his way in a dangerous game. Romney is a democrat and he's going to know if Paul was insincere.

You don't play with these people without getting severely burned. He better know that his "bigger game plan" is noticed, and none of us like it one bit. It may work out for the better outcome, however.

Are you serious.

Do you know what the topic of discussion was before Rand Paul opened his pie hole to tell everyone he wanted to endorse Romney, the discussion was about our delegates getting their hips and fingers broken by a Republican Party trying to cheat Ron Paul out of delegates, which at the time was getting a lot of attention and sympathy from the voters until Rand stepped in to steal the headlines and redirect everyone's attention towards him instead of our brutally assaulted delegates.

If anyone owes anyone an apology it's Rand who owes one to these delegates and the liberty movement for being so uncaring towards their concerns and trying to divert attention from this horrific incident. But since we haven't heard that apology than it's obviously apparent Rand Paul did what he did that day intentionally to steal the spotlight from this horrific election fraud the Republican Party was committing. It's not like his pathetic announcement couldn't wait.