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The Roman Empire and the Catholic Church are about to Fall: The Roman Conspiracy to Create Jesus Christ Unveiled:

Get a load of this: http://caesarsmessiahdoc....

It's going to be released in Beverly Hills, CA. September 28, 2012

The Second Coming of Christ Has Already Happened.

There is absolutely no denial after you grasp this. It may take you a few hours to finally get the gist of it, but once it hits you, it's a WHAM you'll never forget, and you'll never look at the Scriptures the same again.

The "Holy Trinity" .... "Vespasian - Titus - Domitian" .... All three became Emperors of Rome, and after Titus' death, Domitian constructed the "Arch of Titus":

Arch of Titus in Rome was constructed in 82 AD by the Roman Emperor Domitian shortly after the death of his older brother Titus to commemorate Titus’ victory in the Sack of Jerusalem in 70 AD. The Arch of Titus has provided the general model for many of the triumphal arches erected since the 16th century including the Arc de Triomphe.

The "Second Coming of Christ" was Titus' take down of Jerusalem, and the Son of God was memorialized with this mighty Arch. The second attempt was successful, and that was the Second Coming.

As seen here: http://www.touropia.com/a...

The concept of a divine trinity consisting of a father, son and “Holy Ghost” – the Greek words actually mean “awful spirit” – comes from Josephus. Josephus applies the Jews’ messianic prophecies, not just to Vespasian, but to his dynasty. In other words the real trinity is Vespasian, his son Titus, and his son Domitian – the awful spirit.

Domitian was the "Holy Ghost" - The "Awful Spirit" who wanted to be recognized as a God himself.

In Greek evangelion, a technical term meaning “good news of military victory.” In English, it is translated as “gospel.

The "Gospels" is nothing more than a military victory account of the Romans win of the Jewish. The New Testament was written by the Flavian Dynasty with the help of Josephus Flavius

For anyone who doubts that the Flavian's of the Roman Dynasty and Josephus were the ones that actually wrote the New Testament and created "Jesus", just take a moment out of your day and ask yourself why is the Bible so Antisemitic and so "Pro-Roman"? .... "Turn the other cheek" .... "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's", etc.

Now ask yourself if you've ever even noticed the book of "Romans" and the book of "Titus" in the NT? Now are you ready for the FACE PALM moment?

Why would a Jewish loving "God" dedicate in his written words, a book to "Romans" and another to "Titus"?

Go read Titus, and realize that it is actually Vespasian (God) giving the Son of God (Titus) instructions on how to teach the newly acquired slaves (Jewish after the Romans conquered them in the War) how to be obedient to their new masters (Vespasian and Titus).

The Original Jewish people had their own God, and he was David; a real Titan; a warrior; a man of war that even brought down Goliath and was soon to take the head off of Caesar (Dead Sea Scrolls), and there were many Jews amongst and within the Roman Empire who were gathering in groups discussing how their God "David" was coming soon to take the head off of Caesar. Nero didn't like this and called upon Vespasian who he had earlier exiled to return to the Empire and deal with this disobedient Jews, and he did along with his great warrior son Titus.

Vespasian and his son Titus went to Jerusalem and tried to bring down the city, but failed. That was the first coming of Jesus Christ (Titus). Vespasian was wounded and told his son Titus he MUST reenter Jerusalem and finally take her down and make all those unruly Jews submit to the Roman Empire, and Titus went back to Jerusalem and did just that.

Here's Part 1: and there are 5 parts total:


And that was the "Second Coming of Christ" aka "Titus".

The following account of Vespasian's triumph in Rome is provided to us by the Jewish historian, Josephus who was present at the festivities. His description not only provides insight into this victory celebration but also of the nature of other triumphs staged after a Roman victory. We join his story in the early morning hours of the day of the festivities:


The Jews who submitted to their Master (God) and came to him through his Son (Titus) were allowed to enter the "Kingdom of God" aka "Heaven". Those that disobeyed were killed or not allowed inside the gates of Heaven (the new Jerusalem).

Now hopefully you understand why many Jewish people today do not believe in Jesus Christ; nor do they follow or praise him. Their God is "David" the great warrior and not the pacifistic "Jesus" that turned the other cheek and gave unto Caesar.

Use your head for a moment and realize the Jews and Romans were arch enemies. Do you really think their "God" would be a pacifistic tax slave? Or would he have been a Warrior?

The Romans created this "Jesus" character to hopefully teach the Jews to turn the other cheek; submit to authority; give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.

Why would a real living God who's loving and caring order his followers to kill sinners and their children? Seriously think about this a moment: Would a loving God order the death of a child of a sinner? What did the child have to do with a mother infidelity? The child should not be held accountable for a parents sins, right?

Or did he (Vespasian aka God) order the killing of children so that one day they would not come back to revenge the death of their parents?

Why would a God demand sinners to bring their best Oxen and Cattle as a tribute to God as an offering for their sins? Could it be because there was nothing of more value that the Jews could afford? Why would it be easier for a Camel to fit through the eye of a needle than a rich man get into Heaven? Could it be, because Vespasian did not want anyone of wealth in that Kingdom but himself?

The Scriptures were back dated 40 years to the day that Titus took down Jerusalem. Remember that Jesus spoke of this real Messiah that would burn down the cities; surround Jerusalem and raze the Temple within that 40 year span. The Romans created "Jesus" and made him a passive and forgiving Messiah; one that would turn the other cheek and give unto Caesar that which was Caesars.

The supposed Crucifixion of Jesus Christ was a mockery to the Jews; the end of Christianity; the end of their messiah Jesus, and the acknowledgment of the REAL "Jesus Christ" that fulfilled all those prophesies that the Jews Jesus spoke of, and that REAL "Jesus Christ" was Titus, the Son of God (Vespasian).

They (the Romans-Flavian Caesars) wanted to be known as God (Vespasian) and the Son of God-Jesus Christ (Titus). The only way they could get the Jews to accept them as Gods was to get them to pray through this made up Jesus character they invented. The Jews would NEVER bow to a living man (Vespasian), but by bowing to "Jesus Christ", they were actually bowing to the Caesars of the Roman Empire. They wore a mask; created a strawman (Jesus). They did not care about the name; they knew that they created "Jesus", and when the Jews were bowing and praying to Him, that they were actually bowing to Vespasian and Titus.

I know this is a hard pill to swallow for Christians (myself included), but if you actually step away from the Bible and stop looking at it as some magical book, and read it in it's literal typological form, the truth is in plain sight for all to see.

The campaign of "Jesus" ministry and the campaign of Titus' war on the Jews are in perfect sequence with each other if you read Josephus' court of record of the Jewish-Roman War. Remember that Josephus was a Jewish General who was captured by Titus' Army; they spared him; he was a great mind and they had a use for him in the Empire. One record of events is totally dependent on the other; as in the ministry campaign of Jesus was actually created from Titus' campaign in his war on Jerusalem.

All "Religions" are total BS; they are meant to divide and conquer; to control the masses; to teach obedience to a master, and that master is Government.

Now you know why all the authors of the Bible never contradict each other; because it was written by a few men at the time; all in the same court.

"Jesus" spoke of his prophecy in 40 years (within his lifetime), not of 2000 years afterwards and beyond. The Flavian's back dated the Scriptures 40 years on purpose, so that when Titus actually brought down Jerusalem it would look as if HE was the real Christ.

The many "Anti-Christs" that will (already did) come, are actually nothing more than those who opposed Vespasian and Titus; they were non believers; must be possessed with demonic spirits since they did not believe in Jesus Christ (Titus). These disobedient slaves with demonic spirits were against "Anti" Jesus Christ aka Anti-Christs.

No one shall enter the Kingdom of God (Vespasian) without coming through his Son "Jesus Christ" which was actually Titus.

John 3:16

For God (Vespasian) so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son (Titus), that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Go read "Titus" at the end of the New Testament; then read Romans and Philemon where "Paul is a prisoner of Christ Jesus".

At the end of Revelation written by Josephus from the words of God (Vespasian), he warns anyone who alters the text will suffer the plagues described within.

Would a loving God actually do all those things to man just because he changes some text? Or is that the "Threat" of God (Vespasian) to anyone who would alter his words?

Now read Revelation 19:11 "The Rider on the White Horse"

I saw Heaven standing open (the walls of Jerusalem had holes in them from the battle and the gates were finally opened) and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. His eyes are blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on that no one knows but he himself. He is dressed in a robe "dipped in blood" ...

Would a robe dipped in blood actually mean that the robe is Red or Scarlet?

A Roman Victory Parade was at hand; Titus was wearing his Victory Robe and the Victory Crown upon his head as he entered the gates of Heaven (The New Jerusalem).

Here's the famous painting on Joseph Atwill's facebook page:


The triumph was a gala affair. Presided over by Vespasian and Titus, it featured piles of booty, including gold relics taken from the destroyed Jewish Temple, paraded through the streets. Now you understand what the text means by "Streets of Gold".

Titus was the the Rider on the White Horse followed by the armies that followed him were on white horses and dressed in fine linen .... It was a VICTORY PARADE; the "Second Coming of Christ" had taken place; they were all celebrating and dressed for the occasion. It was now time for God (Vespasian) to take his Throne, and the Son of God (Titus) to be seated at his right hand.

"You are worthy to take the scroll and to open it's seals because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased men for God..."

Titus was wounded in the war.

Once you tie the Scriptures to the Roman-Jewish War, it is plain as day.

Here's Josephus' account of the victory celebration first hand:


The most precious of objects taken from Jerusalem were items from the Temple: the golden table on which the bread of the presence had been placed, the golden lampstand, or Menorah, the golden trumpets used in calling people to worship, and a copy of the Jewish Torah. Behind the wagons that carried these objects rode Vespasian, then Titus, with Domitian beside him. The triumphal procession ended at the temple of Jupiter Capitolinus where Simon, son of Gioras, who had been the Jewish general, was put to death before all of the citizens of Rome. All of this happened in 70 A.D. when Titus destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple of God.

If you will read the book in it's literary and typological sense, you will come to realize it was an account of what had happened THEN, not what would happen 2,000 years from THEN.

Listen to Joseph Atwill explain the truth about the "Jesus" character and how and why he was brought to life:


Here's another very good interview:


Look up his other interviews on YouTube as well.

Ask yourself one question: Why would a Book inspired by God himself who loved the Jewish people more than anything in the world or universe combined, dedicate a Chapter of His Book to the "Romans" and another to "Titus"?

Answer: Because the Flavian's created Christianity and with the help of Josephus Flavius, they created the character known as "Jesus Christ", and Titus himself fulfilled all the prophesies of THEIR creation, and his Father who is now known as God and accepted as God along with Titus who would now be accepted as "Jesus Christ" had fulfilled the prophecy of the "End Times", which was nothing more than the end of Jerusalem and the Messianic Christian Movement with the "Second Coming of Christ" aka "Titus".

As a tribute to their conquering victory of the Jews and to make sure everyone living at that time knew that Vespasian was to now be recognized as God and Titus as the Son of God aka Jesus Christ, they put it in plain sight for all to see in the book of Romans and the book of Titus.

In the book of Titus, Vespasian (God) is talking to his Son Titus (Jesus Christ) and instructing him on how to teach the new slaves (Jews) to be subservient and obedient to their new God.

Just read it; it's right there in the "Holy Bible" for all to see who the REAL God and the REAL Jesus Christ really is.


This is a good overview on Joe's Blog:


Once we break the chains of religion, the political structure of the world WILL change.

The Second Coming of Jesus Christ has already taken place; and the "End Times" are nothing more than the end of the militaristic-messianic movement of the Jews in about 70 CE (Common Era).

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There is a valuable lesson in this post.

You can succeed completely and totally at epic-level trolling simply by doing the following:

Post something so incredibly stupid, that is so utterly in denial of all historical evidence, common sense, and rational thought, and so absurdly outlandish that even a website full of hardcore conspiracy theorists thinks it's ridiculous.

It will continue to cause havoc and mayhem simply by virtue of making people dumber through reading it. Seriously, the ONLY person I've seen defending this ludicrous assertion with no basis other than cherry-picked "similarities" is the original poster.

And yet the troll has succeeded, by gum! Sir, I congratulate you on your success at trolling. Truly, I have never seen this level of idiocy continue living for so long, and yet you have made it live this long by virtue of its utter lunacy! Good show! Now can we please let it die?

This could be

This could be the single stupidest thing I have ever read.

Amen Brother, I agree that this is the stupidest post ever!

Baptist, I am a Catholic, and I agree with you 100%!! God bless you brother!!


Thanks man. It's funny when people quote the Bible 10 times and ignore the other 30,000 some odd verses. If any explanation is needed as to why this post was created, see Romans 1!

Where is the 404?

What's up mods? Should I be surprised you let this one past your filter and allow to keep reemerging? I guess you only consider certain posts to be ridiculous conspiracy theory. Who determines this and what is the criteria to 404 a thread? Maybe the fool can chime in, Id love to have your two cents (bronze pennies only please, pre-1982)...

"Go back to your office."

"As soon as we reached the concourse level, the security guard stopped us and said, 'Where are you going?' Stanley explained about seeing the fire in Tower One.
According to Stanley, the guard said, "Oh, that was just an accident. Two World Trade is secured. Go back to your office." That turned out to be fatal advice--aside from Stanley, Delise was the only one of that group to survive.

Subject: Survivor account of World Trade Center attac|


Tuesday, September 11, 2001, began like any other day for Bethel Assembly of God deacon and Sunday school superintendent Stanley Praimnath of Elmont, Long Island.

He got up early, took a shower, prayed, got ready and headed for work. The drive was uneventful. The train ride was the same. Yet, this day he would see the hand of God spare his life. "For some particular reason, I gave the Lord a little extra of myself that morning [during prayer]," Stanley said. "I said, 'Lord, cover me and all my loved ones under your precious blood.' And even though I said that and believed it, I said it over and over and over."

When Stanley arrived at World Trade Center Tower Two, he took the elevator up to his office on the 81st floor. "I work for the Fuji Bank Limited," he said. "I'm an assistant vice president in the Loans Operations Department. The company is located on the 79th through 82nd floors." Stanley greeted Delise, a young lady who had arrived before him. After talking briefly, he headed over to his desk and picked up his phone to retrieve his messages. "As I'm standing there retrieving my messages, I'm looking out at the next building, One World Trade, and I saw fire falling through from the roof," Stanley said. "Now, this entire building is surrounded by glass, and you can stand up and from there you can see all the buildings, planes and everything flying at the same altitude." As Stanley saw "fire balls" coming down, his first reaction was to think of his boss who works in that building. He decided to try to call him to see if he was okay. "I'm dialing his number, and getting no response. So, I say to Delise, the temp, 'Go, go, go--let's get out."

Delise and Stanley got on the elevator and went down to the 78th floor. Some other people were there. The company's president, the CEO, the human resources director and two other gentlemen joined the group and headed down to the concourse level of Two World Trade Center.

If they had continued on and exited the building, all of their lives would have been spared. As it was, that's not the way it happened. "As soon as we reached the concourse level, the security guard stopped us and said, 'Where are you going?' Stanley explained about seeing the fire in Tower One.

According to Stanley, the guard said, "Oh, that was just an accident. Two World Trade is secured. Go back to your office." That turned out to be fatal advice--aside from Stanley, Delise was the only one of that group to survive. "We were joking, and I told [Human Resources Director] Brian Thompson, 'This is a good time to think of relocating this building--it's not safe anymore.' " Stanley headed back to his office, but before he got there, he told Delise, that with the events of the day, she should go home and relax. Thompson went to the 82nd floor, the president and CEO went to the 79th floor and Stanley got out on the 81st floor. When Stanley got to his office, his phone was ringing. "It was someone from Chicago calling to find out if I'm watching the news," he said. He told the caller everything "was fine." But everything wasn't fine--far from it. As Stanley was talking, he looked up and saw American Airlines Flight 11 heading straight for him. "All I can see is this big gray plane, with red letters on the wing and on the tail, bearing down on me," said Stanley. "But this thing is happening in slow motion. The plane appeared to be like 100 yards away, I said 'Lord, you take control, I can't help myself here.' " Stanley then dove under his desk. "My Testament [Bible] was on top of my desk," explained Stanley. "I knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the Lord was going to take care of me once I got there." As he curled into a fetal position under his desk, the plane tore into the side of the building and exploded. Miraculously, Stanley was unhurt. However, he could see a flaming wing of the plane in the doorway of his department. He knew he needed to get out of his office and the building fast. But, he was trapped under debris up to his shoulders. "Lord, you take control, this is your problem now," he recalled praying. "I don't know where I got this power from, but the good Lord, He gave me so much power and strength in my body that I was able to shake everything off. I felt like I was the strongest man alive." All the while, Stanley was asking to the Lord to spare his life. "I'm crying and I'm praying, 'Lord, I have things to do..., I want to see my family, Lord, help me through.' " Stanley's office resembled a battle zone--walls flattened into dusty heaps, office equipment strewn violently, flames flickering about and rubble everywhere. "Everything I'm trying to climb on [to get out] is collapsing and I'm going down," he said. "I'm getting cuts and bruises, but I'm saying, 'Lord, I have to go home to my loved ones, I have to make it, You have to help me.' " Suddenly Stanley saw the light of a flashlight. For a moment, it stunned him. "What were the chances of someone bringing a flashlight to this floor?," he thought. "My first gut reaction was, 'This is my guardian angel--my Lord sent somebody to save me!' " Stanley began screaming, "I see the light, I see the light." But after clawing his way through the debris, he realized that he couldn't get out--all the exits were blocked and his "guardian angel" couldn't get to him--a wall was between him and the staircase. "He can't get to me and I can't get to him, and by this time I can't breathe," Stanley said. "I don't know if it was sulfur or what [burning jet fuel, perhaps], but I can smell this thing. I got down on my knees and said, "Lord, you've got to help me. You've brought me this far, help me to get to the staircase." But then Stanley did something surprising. While praying on his knees, Stanley called out to the man behind the wall, "There's one thing I got to know, do you know Jesus?" The man replied he went to church every Sunday. Then they prayed together to enable them to break through the wall. "I got up, and I felt as if a power came over me," said Stanley. "I felt goose bumps all over my body and I'm trembling, and I said to the wall, 'You're going to be no match for me and my Lord.' " Moments later, he punched his way through the wall and, with the help of the man on the other side, was able to squirm his way through the hole in the wall. "The guy held me and embraced me and he gave me a kiss and he said, 'From today, you're my brother for life.' "

But the danger wasn't over. The man on the other side of the wall, who introduced himself as Brian, was an older gentleman and they still had 81 floors to walk down, with the building on fire and, unknown to them, in danger of collapse. "We hobbled our way down, and at every floor we stopped to see if anybody was there, but nobody was..., but a man was on the floor, and his back was gone, and he was covered in blood." Stanley asked to be allowed to carry the man out, but a security guard told him it would be better to send somebody up. When they finally made it down to the concourse, only firefighters were there. "They were saying, 'Run! Run! Run!', they were telling us to run out, but they were not concerned about themselves," he said. Stanley and Brian would have ran from the building, but now the concourse was surrounded with fire. Wetting themselves under the building's sprinkler system, they held hands and ran through the flames to safety to Trinity Church about two blocks away. "I wanted to go to the church to thank God," Stanley explained, "As soon as I held onto the gate of that church, the building [World Trade Center Tower Two] collapsed." Stanley and Brian made there way safely out of the danger area. Before they parted, Stanley gave his business card to Brian in hopes of contact at a later time, and said, "If I don't see you, I'll see you in heaven." Cut and bloodied, with clothes tattered and wearing a borrowed shirt, Stanley finally made it home hours later to his wife Jennifer and his two girls, Stephanie (age 8) and Caitlin (age 4). "I held my wife and my two children and we cried," said Stanley. After thanking God for sparing his life, Stanley told God whatever he did, it will always be for His glory. "I'm so sore, but every waking moment, I say 'Lord, had you not been in control, I would not have made it.' "For some divine reason, I know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the good Lord's mighty hand turned the plane a fraction from where I was standing," said Stanley. "Because when it crash-landed, it was just 20 feet from me. I don't care who would rationalize--what people would say now or years from now, but I know it was the handiwork of the Lord that turned that plane. My Lord Jesus is bigger than the Trade Center and His finger can push a plane aside!" --Dan Van Veen

This is some crazy sh*t

While the Roman emperors regularly declared themselves gods, there is no indication that any of them declared themselves Christ. Christians were routinely persecuted throughout the empire until 300 AD. Even if you are an atheist and ancient history enthusiast, you will know that records from the time period you are describing, directly from Rome, mention a rabble rouser in Judea causing trouble. Historians have concretely linked these documents to Christ and his movement. While it is true that the gospels were written some time around 50-90 A.D., there are early Gnostic texts, and even reports from east of the Black Sea, corroborating the story of Christ and the rebirth tale. It is true that before Christ, this story was told and retold countless times, with various gods, most notably Mithra.

For a time after the empire officially recognized Christianity under Constantine in 300 A.D., Romans regularly worshiped the traditional pagan (and very Greek), gods a long with Jesus. This quickly changed as Church doctrine was adopted that proclaimed Christ the only true God, son of Yahweh, and any believers in false idols heretics. This purge is famously seen throughout ancient Roman temples that were formerly pagan and then converted into Christian places of worship. Countless other pagan buildings, of historic value, were abandoned, plundered, and ultimately destroyed. In effect, Christianity was famous for centuries for being the one religion that actually "destroyed other religions" quite literally.

After the fall of the empire, Christianity is credited with preserving many historic texts and documents in the various monasteries during the dark ages. However, how much was rewritten prior to the fall, and even after, is unknown. The stories of Christ as a peacemaker and loving God are in direct conflict with the Old Testament recollection of God - a merciless, and at times, jealous deity, who at times, found it necessary to wipe out all of civilization, or turn entire cities to ash, just because they did not follow his instructions.

This paradigm is at the heart of legitimate historic research into the entire situation you are describing. Evidence of the Roman empire altering Christian religious texts significantly is not present, however, their alteration after numerous translations, in many cases, hand-scribed, is suspect. The Council of Nicea was a turning point for religious belief throughout Catholicism and for the construction of what is now the Roman Catholic Church. Some historians will go so far as to blame Christianity as the downfall of the empire, others continue to blame lead pipes and poor sanitation, while the most widely adopted explanation has become a devaluation of the currency over time (The Romans were regularly trading silver to China for silk, which they unfortunately believed was somehow more valuable than silver), the abandonment of traditional values of the republic, a number of inept or psychotic emperors, the end of the Julio-Claudian dynasty that ended in disaster, and patronage being sent to the Vandals and Visigoths. Ultimately, the empire overextended itself, was plagued with infighting (with the city of Rome's population dwindling every time the city was sacked either by a genera claiming to be emperor or a barbarian invasion). The creation of Constantinople as a second capitol only served to divide the empire further and create a major problem as trade routes began to break down.

After the empire began to break down, non-Romans began taking over and declaring themselves emperor. Many of these tyrants had sacked Rome, were of questionable ancestry, and had little to no governing skills. They were often assassinated within months, or years, after taking control, only to be replaced by a new tyrant.

For the centuries following the fall of Rome, walled cities began to emerge and people returned to the countryside. A period of decentralization occurred during the dark ages. An enormous amount of ancient knowledge was lost for centuries; even the ability to construct siege weapons. Most of Europe fell into complete illiteracy. Prior to the fall, you will recall that governors were assigned to the various provinces, in an effort to maintain order, as Rome was generally in a perpetual state of chaos. These governors all eventually declared themselves emperor of Rome, and later would become known as "lords" and "kings". Here we see the origins of what would become the basis for local dialects (essentially the populations were speaking broken Latin and formed their own languages -- this became known as the vulgar languages to those who still knew Latin).

Ostensibly, the fall of the empire led to the loss of sanitation in the provinces. While Roman cities literally had working toilets, it took the French until the 19th century to re-discover this level of sanitation.

There is no evidence to support your claim that Christ was a representation of Roman emperors. If so, this would have been common knowledge throughout the empire, and such details would have certainly survived to modern times. To further emphasize this point, the original authors of the Gospel, and before that, the apostles themselves, all believed that the apocalypse was going to take place during their lifetimes. For centuries, most considered the salvation of the soul a life or death issue. So important was this issue to the population following the fall of the empire, that numerous attempts were made by Justinian I in Constantinople to reunify the empire, and later, by the likes of Austria, the Papacy itself, and France. To emphasize this point, there was a notable crisis in 999 A.D., which led to pandemonium, when a large percentage of the European population believed this was the "end of days".

The loss of the Roman Empire likely set mankind back hundreds of years in scientific development, and there is a strong argument that this was due to the influence of religion conflicting with traditional Roman values of the foundation of the Republic. After the Julio-Claudian dynasty ended, the situation within the empire, as narrated by the likes of Quintilian, Livy, Sallust, Tacitus, Suetonius. Polybius, Siculus, Pliny the Elder, and Cassius in their historic works, become bleak. Regular criticisms of the emperor were commonplace, which suggests that although many of them claimed to be deities, they were not beyond reproach. And while the last of Julius Caesar's dynasty is remembered as "Little Boots", or Nero, there is evidence to suggest that his type of governance was not as bad as described in historic documents we have from the time period. Many of the historic documents we have are from the Flavian dynasty, which sought to discredit the Julio-Claudian lineage at the time, for obvious reasons. As recently as 2010, a large forum, created by Nero, in Lisboa (Lisbon), was discovered. It is a massive structure buried under the hilltops of modern Lisbon and points to evidence that Nero was focused on large scale public works before his assassination.

Ultimately, we are left to judge what happened to Rome through the historic accounts that were written at the time, informed by the fact that the writers themselves were biased and often times subjective. The concept of objective journalism, or any type of journalism, did not appear until more recent times. However, we can derive what was written with the facts on the ground - through excavation, archaeological findings, and historic documents of the time. Not a whisper went by out of Rome, and if any emperor so much as declared themself Christ, this would have become known throughout the empire overnight. While many emperors did declare themselves a god, they usually likened themselves, again, to the Julio-Claudian dynasty. After the death of Augustus, he was declared an infallible deity, and this is where the tradition began.

The loss of the empire itself cannot be understated, if only for the knowledge that has been lost throughout the ages. It is clear that once the Romans conquered Greece and Egypt, they had brought the best minds from those provinces to Rome. Much Roman architecture is based on the Greco-Roman design; their pagan gods were interlinked, and it is highly probable that the secret to large scale public construction of buildings like the Hagia Sophia, the Colosseum, and even the Egyptian Pyramids were lost during the period of the dark ages.

One thing is certain: the story of Christ was not lost. Christ became more famous in death once his followers were routinely persecuted and martyred during the 4th and 5th centuries. Prior to that under Nero, Trajan, Despian, and many other emperors. They were accused of incest and cannibalism. This activity began as a general purge of perceived rebellion from Judea in Palestine. The Hebrews there were keen to blame early Christians during their attempts to preserve their religion leading up to the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem. This problem persisted due to the demands from Judea/Palestine for additional autonomy.

The Romans gave their conquered lands the option of assimilating voluntarily into Roman culture or being completely uprooted and assimilated through the threat of force and violence. The latter did occur in Palestine on a regular basis, due to the disputes between the Christians and the Hebrews, as well as a general perception that both peoples were a threat to the stability of the empire throughout that region.

In my opinion, and that of many more well-trained historians, Constantine's "conversion" to Christianity was all too convenient for the empire. By this time, Christianity had reached a height of popularity and Jesus had become worshiped in relationship to the other pagan gods. Establishing Christianity as the religion of the empire allowed Constantine to seize the assets of the Church throughout the empire, decalare himself, and future emperors, vicar of Christ, and bring in much needed revenues for the empire, which, by this point, was facing a currency crisis which they, themselves, barely understood.


What a load of garbage.

Okay, I just realized this was an old post, but since someone was kind enough to resurrect it for us, let me just point out a few things.

Judaism and Christianity are diametrically opposed. One is not responsible for the other, nor is there any such thing as Judeo-Christianty.

Jesus was of the House of David. The Old Testament prophesied on numerous occasions the coming of the Messiah. Jesus Christ fulfilled over one hundred prophecies that prove He is the Messiah. Yet the Pharisees sought to kill Him and rejected Him. Their followers still reject Him today.

Contrary to the prevailing view that the Jesus was a Jew, virtually every page of the New Testament contains vehement denunciations of them and their religion, which Jesus calls the “tradition of the elders.” (Matt. 15:2, 3, 6) He also denounces their religion as not of God, but of the “tradition of men.” (Mark 7:3, 5, 8, 9, 13 and Col. 2:8) The truth is that Jesus was the antithesis of the Judaism because they taught not the Law of the Old Testament but THEIR OWN TRADITION, which was not of God. These traditions, over time, were written down and are today known as the Babylonian Talmud. The Babylonian Talmud has always been the main doctrine of the Jews, never the Torah of the Old Testament.

Jesus is also the complete opposite of Jewry and what the Jews represent (lies, murder, thievery, wickedness, cruelty, and evil itself).

Read Chapter 23 of Matthew to get a taste of Jesus Christ’s thorough denunciation of them and their religion of lies. It must be understood that the rabbis of Judaism have always publicly maintained the fiction that the Talmud and the Mosaic Law are the same. This fiction has been deceptively promoted to the world. But what they REALLY believe and teach in their rabbinical schools is the TALMUD. All evidence speaks against this Jewish lie.



Esau despised his Adamic heritage, therefore he stands condemned as a traitor. Today, all Jews, as either descendants of Edom or as descendants of Ashkenaz, take no part in the blessings of Jacob/Israel because they are not Israelites. In order to hide his crime, Esau (Jewry) pretends to be Jacob (the Lost Tribes of Israel). By this deception, he hopes to take the inheritance away from Jacob, the true heir of Abraham and Isaac, the brother that he hates.

These same Edomites and Ashkenazis have persecuted Christians throughout history, especially with their creation of communism. Note well, all you Christian Conservatives, how you have been deceived.

I could go on about this all day but realize this is not the place (that, and people don't want to hear it... ever). I would however urge you all to take a closer look at our 'greatest ally' in the middle east.

Here's a little of what they talk about when they think no one is listening:


Ecclesiastes 1:9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.

To understand this post(er) - Jewish bigotry

To understand this post, you have to understand that Jewish bigotry - and by Jewish I mean the religion, is very real. You see lots of conspiracy theories and nonsense like this if you start reading what Jewish people who happen to be bigots write. (or re-write as in history).

Just look at the Talmud in example. Besides given to various extremely evil statements about non-Jews, it claims that Nero was actually a convert to Judaism - mainly because he persecuted Christians. Christians are the enemy, a Rabbi from Israel told me, and have been for the last two thousand years - and it matches what the Talmud says. This post, which is reposted every few months on Daily Paul from the same poster, is exactly the same type of thinking as Nero.

It reminds me of another Jewish conspiracy theory I've been researching recently - that a Jewish hero lent all the money to the American Revolution, and the United States government never paid him back, so he died impoverished, and the USA now owes his descendants all their assets. And it's the reason a star of David appears on the $1 dollar bill, ordered by George Washington, of all people.

It's complete self serving, arrogant bunk. Dis-proven by Jewish historians, who were embarrassed by it. And yet it keeps reappearing, and a plaque in Philadelphia currently proclaims part of this made up propaganda. Your ancestors - if they are not Jewish, are owned by their ancestors.

It's worth while to study. Jewish bigotry is at high because it is never challenged or brought up in the media. It explains the Palestinian situation and a lot of other things. The only way it will ever disappear is for it to be brought into the light and exposed, the same as any other bigotry.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

$10 on Zues.

$10 on Zues.

Ha Ha Ha Ha

thanks, I needed a good laugh. The Lord blinds the truth to those who would not see.

the lesser of two evils is still evil

Why does this pop up every three months or so?

Drop it already. Most constitutional conservative and or libertarian minded people in America are believers. As is Dr. Paul Sr. and Jr. You anarchist aethist guys believe in nothing. Your like nihilists. Stop bashing religion and individuals who have faith. This site is dedicated to restoring constitutional government to the United States of America. The founders overwhelmingly believed in God. Where the spirit of the Lord is there is Liberty.

We believe in lots of things.

We believe in lots of things. Non agression princpals, common law, the power of human reason. We simply don't believe in myths which are completley unsubstanciated by facts, logic common sense, or even individualist idology. Have fun being a christian. We aren't all going to join you. Get over it.

"Get over It"

There is nothing to get over. I have fun just being me, I am not asking anyone to join. Im not preaching the Gospel. All I asked was to stop attacking religion. It serves no purpose. This country was partially founded on the basis of religious freedom. Why do some people on here feel the need to attack christians still? As a previous poster stated anyone who is awake knows that there is an agenda to destroy religions in this world, and lead people into a one world new age scientolomasonyogaluciwiccaferian religion. The illuminati devil worshipers go to great lengths to keep jews, christians, and muslims constantly at war with one another. Muslims infight between Sunni and Shiite, like Orthodox and hasidic jews argue with the talmudic zionist racists. As christians and catholics still feud with one another. So here we all are divided amongst each other and still being lead to fight those who some of our so called leaders deem the "enemy". While as a christian I am highly skeptical and turned of by catholicism, I believe they teach false doctrines, I still gladly accept them in this liberty movement as we fight the dark forces of evil in this world. As someone stated below, "God is love" and the sooner the world accepts and realizes this we can be truly free of war, hate, jealousy, envy, greed and all the rottenness that tries to consume the good that is in this world. Only a fool has it set in his heart there is no God. How could anyone think you just die and thats it.. there is nothing afterwards. Have you never felt your soul within you? Does your conscience speak to you? That is Gods law written upon your heart.

"God is Love"

"Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love."—John 4:8

"Anyone who does not love does not know God, because—God is love."—John 4:8 (Standard English version)

"He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love."—John 4:8 (King James version)

For me, everything else is religion.

He who loveth noteth not thy

He who loveth not God are verily casteth forth into hell by thee holy God, master of the universith and mightly overlord of the galaxyeth who loveth lotseth and lotseth more than thee... even ifith he doth not giveth a shiteth that he hast cast the multitudes unto the laketh of fireth to burneth forevereth.

People who love people don't torture them for failure to worship.

I believe in GOD

I love people. I am a christian. I believe in Jesus (Yashua). I have never tortured anyone for failure to worship let alone for any other reason. Why do you have an agenda to insult, belittle, and ridicule christians on a website that is dedicated to restoring constitutional government to the United States of America and was built on the presidential campaigns of the christian Dr. Ron Paul. What gives Magwan77? How is it you are building this movement up, what are you doing to further our cause of truth, justice and freedom from the tyranny propagated by the group of demon puppets who meet in Washington, District of Corruption? Please enlighten me how you are helping? Do you work for Organizing for Action?

I'm not reading

through 5-6 pages to see if I've already commented in the past, so here's my 2 cents:

There are 26 versions of the Bible; therefore at least 25 of them had to have been 'changed' by man. Since they all differ, even if only in minor detail, they cannot all be "correct", right? My motto is 'Take what you need, and leave the rest".

As far as Jesus goes, no one will ever convince me that Jesus did not and does not exist. The first words out of my 4-year-old daughter's mouth once she was able to speak after heart surgery was: "Mommy, Jesus came and held my hand."

O.P.O.G.G. - Fighting the attempted devolution of the rEVOLution
Ron Paul 2012...and beyond

Wow - Amazing. Hope your

Wow - Amazing. Hope your daughter has continued to progress in healing post op.


Liberty = Responsibility

A false pagan Christianity

A false pagan Christianity has been around for about 1,900 years.

The word trinity doesn't appear a single time in the Bible.

False Insertions.

in fairness & with reason you will find tons of truth in the scriptures. there is confusion because of the insertion of falsehoods in the true texts, & the recording of events,= history.

re trinity, very confusing, makes no sense, very paganish.
Actually - when the Maseah gave teaching on how to pray he had admonished = that do Not babble strange words as pagans (in some bibles its gentiles, heathens, etc). Matthew 6:7.

It is the duty of modern-day scholars to put their heads together & delete faulty texts. best is to stay close to the original & authentic.

The favorite part about hearing this theory

Is that somehow, people think a book that teaches self reliance, independence, that God's law is higher than mans law, that you owe no allegiance to any government, is a conspiracy against others.

The fact the post above speaks about obedience to new masters (Romans) makes me laugh, because that's 100% backwards from what the Bible teaches.

Fail post.

here it comes again

You do not know anything about the bible after reading your post - your right about religion, the bible isn't religion. Let me help you with something.

Religion is man, not g-d.

G-d is truth.

You must kill g-d, why? What are left with then, how the TRUTH is we are just animals, this world is nothing more than an accident. or it was aliens...

The jews would bow to no man? Read the old testament!

good luck in your quest and may you find everything your looking for.


Liberty = Responsibility

My face palm moment was when I read your title.

But I'm not surprised how the ignorant are mislead by this garbage. This is what happens when Scripture and the New Testament are twisted to suit mans desire.

Early influences by the Catholic church, most notably under Constantine, and others turned the worship of GOD into the worship of paganism. That is what gives footing to these kind of ridicules claims.

And I just thought it was sun worshiping...


I would

vote this pathetic mess down but the minus won't highlight although the plus sign does. Figures.

since the post is a year old,

since the post is a year old, I'd guess you've downvoted it in the past already.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul


I didn't recall reading it, but maybe that's the problem. Thanks.

It's sad to wake up on a

It's sad to wake up on a Sunday morning and run into such a post.