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The Roman Empire and the Catholic Church are about to Fall: The Roman Conspiracy to Create Jesus Christ Unveiled:

Get a load of this: http://caesarsmessiahdoc....

It's going to be released in Beverly Hills, CA. September 28, 2012

The Second Coming of Christ Has Already Happened.

There is absolutely no denial after you grasp this. It may take you a few hours to finally get the gist of it, but once it hits you, it's a WHAM you'll never forget, and you'll never look at the Scriptures the same again.

The "Holy Trinity" .... "Vespasian - Titus - Domitian" .... All three became Emperors of Rome, and after Titus' death, Domitian constructed the "Arch of Titus":

Arch of Titus in Rome was constructed in 82 AD by the Roman Emperor Domitian shortly after the death of his older brother Titus to commemorate Titus’ victory in the Sack of Jerusalem in 70 AD. The Arch of Titus has provided the general model for many of the triumphal arches erected since the 16th century including the Arc de Triomphe.

The "Second Coming of Christ" was Titus' take down of Jerusalem, and the Son of God was memorialized with this mighty Arch. The second attempt was successful, and that was the Second Coming.

As seen here: http://www.touropia.com/a...

The concept of a divine trinity consisting of a father, son and “Holy Ghost” – the Greek words actually mean “awful spirit” – comes from Josephus. Josephus applies the Jews’ messianic prophecies, not just to Vespasian, but to his dynasty. In other words the real trinity is Vespasian, his son Titus, and his son Domitian – the awful spirit.

Domitian was the "Holy Ghost" - The "Awful Spirit" who wanted to be recognized as a God himself.

In Greek evangelion, a technical term meaning “good news of military victory.” In English, it is translated as “gospel.

The "Gospels" is nothing more than a military victory account of the Romans win of the Jewish. The New Testament was written by the Flavian Dynasty with the help of Josephus Flavius

For anyone who doubts that the Flavian's of the Roman Dynasty and Josephus were the ones that actually wrote the New Testament and created "Jesus", just take a moment out of your day and ask yourself why is the Bible so Antisemitic and so "Pro-Roman"? .... "Turn the other cheek" .... "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's", etc.

Now ask yourself if you've ever even noticed the book of "Romans" and the book of "Titus" in the NT? Now are you ready for the FACE PALM moment?

Why would a Jewish loving "God" dedicate in his written words, a book to "Romans" and another to "Titus"?

Go read Titus, and realize that it is actually Vespasian (God) giving the Son of God (Titus) instructions on how to teach the newly acquired slaves (Jewish after the Romans conquered them in the War) how to be obedient to their new masters (Vespasian and Titus).

The Original Jewish people had their own God, and he was David; a real Titan; a warrior; a man of war that even brought down Goliath and was soon to take the head off of Caesar (Dead Sea Scrolls), and there were many Jews amongst and within the Roman Empire who were gathering in groups discussing how their God "David" was coming soon to take the head off of Caesar. Nero didn't like this and called upon Vespasian who he had earlier exiled to return to the Empire and deal with this disobedient Jews, and he did along with his great warrior son Titus.

Vespasian and his son Titus went to Jerusalem and tried to bring down the city, but failed. That was the first coming of Jesus Christ (Titus). Vespasian was wounded and told his son Titus he MUST reenter Jerusalem and finally take her down and make all those unruly Jews submit to the Roman Empire, and Titus went back to Jerusalem and did just that.

Here's Part 1: and there are 5 parts total:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...

And that was the "Second Coming of Christ" aka "Titus".

The following account of Vespasian's triumph in Rome is provided to us by the Jewish historian, Josephus who was present at the festivities. His description not only provides insight into this victory celebration but also of the nature of other triumphs staged after a Roman victory. We join his story in the early morning hours of the day of the festivities:

http://www.eyewitnesstohi...

The Jews who submitted to their Master (God) and came to him through his Son (Titus) were allowed to enter the "Kingdom of God" aka "Heaven". Those that disobeyed were killed or not allowed inside the gates of Heaven (the new Jerusalem).

Now hopefully you understand why many Jewish people today do not believe in Jesus Christ; nor do they follow or praise him. Their God is "David" the great warrior and not the pacifistic "Jesus" that turned the other cheek and gave unto Caesar.

Use your head for a moment and realize the Jews and Romans were arch enemies. Do you really think their "God" would be a pacifistic tax slave? Or would he have been a Warrior?

The Romans created this "Jesus" character to hopefully teach the Jews to turn the other cheek; submit to authority; give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.

Why would a real living God who's loving and caring order his followers to kill sinners and their children? Seriously think about this a moment: Would a loving God order the death of a child of a sinner? What did the child have to do with a mother infidelity? The child should not be held accountable for a parents sins, right?

Or did he (Vespasian aka God) order the killing of children so that one day they would not come back to revenge the death of their parents?

Why would a God demand sinners to bring their best Oxen and Cattle as a tribute to God as an offering for their sins? Could it be because there was nothing of more value that the Jews could afford? Why would it be easier for a Camel to fit through the eye of a needle than a rich man get into Heaven? Could it be, because Vespasian did not want anyone of wealth in that Kingdom but himself?

The Scriptures were back dated 40 years to the day that Titus took down Jerusalem. Remember that Jesus spoke of this real Messiah that would burn down the cities; surround Jerusalem and raze the Temple within that 40 year span. The Romans created "Jesus" and made him a passive and forgiving Messiah; one that would turn the other cheek and give unto Caesar that which was Caesars.

The supposed Crucifixion of Jesus Christ was a mockery to the Jews; the end of Christianity; the end of their messiah Jesus, and the acknowledgment of the REAL "Jesus Christ" that fulfilled all those prophesies that the Jews Jesus spoke of, and that REAL "Jesus Christ" was Titus, the Son of God (Vespasian).

They (the Romans-Flavian Caesars) wanted to be known as God (Vespasian) and the Son of God-Jesus Christ (Titus). The only way they could get the Jews to accept them as Gods was to get them to pray through this made up Jesus character they invented. The Jews would NEVER bow to a living man (Vespasian), but by bowing to "Jesus Christ", they were actually bowing to the Caesars of the Roman Empire. They wore a mask; created a strawman (Jesus). They did not care about the name; they knew that they created "Jesus", and when the Jews were bowing and praying to Him, that they were actually bowing to Vespasian and Titus.

I know this is a hard pill to swallow for Christians (myself included), but if you actually step away from the Bible and stop looking at it as some magical book, and read it in it's literal typological form, the truth is in plain sight for all to see.

The campaign of "Jesus" ministry and the campaign of Titus' war on the Jews are in perfect sequence with each other if you read Josephus' court of record of the Jewish-Roman War. Remember that Josephus was a Jewish General who was captured by Titus' Army; they spared him; he was a great mind and they had a use for him in the Empire. One record of events is totally dependent on the other; as in the ministry campaign of Jesus was actually created from Titus' campaign in his war on Jerusalem.

All "Religions" are total BS; they are meant to divide and conquer; to control the masses; to teach obedience to a master, and that master is Government.

Now you know why all the authors of the Bible never contradict each other; because it was written by a few men at the time; all in the same court.

"Jesus" spoke of his prophecy in 40 years (within his lifetime), not of 2000 years afterwards and beyond. The Flavian's back dated the Scriptures 40 years on purpose, so that when Titus actually brought down Jerusalem it would look as if HE was the real Christ.

The many "Anti-Christs" that will (already did) come, are actually nothing more than those who opposed Vespasian and Titus; they were non believers; must be possessed with demonic spirits since they did not believe in Jesus Christ (Titus). These disobedient slaves with demonic spirits were against "Anti" Jesus Christ aka Anti-Christs.

No one shall enter the Kingdom of God (Vespasian) without coming through his Son "Jesus Christ" which was actually Titus.

John 3:16

For God (Vespasian) so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son (Titus), that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Go read "Titus" at the end of the New Testament; then read Romans and Philemon where "Paul is a prisoner of Christ Jesus".

At the end of Revelation written by Josephus from the words of God (Vespasian), he warns anyone who alters the text will suffer the plagues described within.

Would a loving God actually do all those things to man just because he changes some text? Or is that the "Threat" of God (Vespasian) to anyone who would alter his words?

Now read Revelation 19:11 "The Rider on the White Horse"

I saw Heaven standing open (the walls of Jerusalem had holes in them from the battle and the gates were finally opened) and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. His eyes are blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on that no one knows but he himself. He is dressed in a robe "dipped in blood" ...

Would a robe dipped in blood actually mean that the robe is Red or Scarlet?

A Roman Victory Parade was at hand; Titus was wearing his Victory Robe and the Victory Crown upon his head as he entered the gates of Heaven (The New Jerusalem).

Here's the famous painting on Joseph Atwill's facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/...

The triumph was a gala affair. Presided over by Vespasian and Titus, it featured piles of booty, including gold relics taken from the destroyed Jewish Temple, paraded through the streets. Now you understand what the text means by "Streets of Gold".

Titus was the the Rider on the White Horse followed by the armies that followed him were on white horses and dressed in fine linen .... It was a VICTORY PARADE; the "Second Coming of Christ" had taken place; they were all celebrating and dressed for the occasion. It was now time for God (Vespasian) to take his Throne, and the Son of God (Titus) to be seated at his right hand.

"You are worthy to take the scroll and to open it's seals because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased men for God..."

Titus was wounded in the war.

Once you tie the Scriptures to the Roman-Jewish War, it is plain as day.

Here's Josephus' account of the victory celebration first hand:

http://www.eyewitnesstohi...

The most precious of objects taken from Jerusalem were items from the Temple: the golden table on which the bread of the presence had been placed, the golden lampstand, or Menorah, the golden trumpets used in calling people to worship, and a copy of the Jewish Torah. Behind the wagons that carried these objects rode Vespasian, then Titus, with Domitian beside him. The triumphal procession ended at the temple of Jupiter Capitolinus where Simon, son of Gioras, who had been the Jewish general, was put to death before all of the citizens of Rome. All of this happened in 70 A.D. when Titus destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple of God.

If you will read the book in it's literary and typological sense, you will come to realize it was an account of what had happened THEN, not what would happen 2,000 years from THEN.

Listen to Joseph Atwill explain the truth about the "Jesus" character and how and why he was brought to life:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...

Here's another very good interview:

http://www.gnosticmedia.c...

Look up his other interviews on YouTube as well.

Ask yourself one question: Why would a Book inspired by God himself who loved the Jewish people more than anything in the world or universe combined, dedicate a Chapter of His Book to the "Romans" and another to "Titus"?

Answer: Because the Flavian's created Christianity and with the help of Josephus Flavius, they created the character known as "Jesus Christ", and Titus himself fulfilled all the prophesies of THEIR creation, and his Father who is now known as God and accepted as God along with Titus who would now be accepted as "Jesus Christ" had fulfilled the prophecy of the "End Times", which was nothing more than the end of Jerusalem and the Messianic Christian Movement with the "Second Coming of Christ" aka "Titus".

As a tribute to their conquering victory of the Jews and to make sure everyone living at that time knew that Vespasian was to now be recognized as God and Titus as the Son of God aka Jesus Christ, they put it in plain sight for all to see in the book of Romans and the book of Titus.

In the book of Titus, Vespasian (God) is talking to his Son Titus (Jesus Christ) and instructing him on how to teach the new slaves (Jews) to be subservient and obedient to their new God.

Just read it; it's right there in the "Holy Bible" for all to see who the REAL God and the REAL Jesus Christ really is.

Amen.

This is a good overview on Joe's Blog:

http://caesarsmessiah.com...

Once we break the chains of religion, the political structure of the world WILL change.

The Second Coming of Jesus Christ has already taken place; and the "End Times" are nothing more than the end of the militaristic-messianic movement of the Jews in about 70 CE (Common Era).



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Jesus is God in the Flesh.

Jesus is God in the Flesh. Jesus is God almighty.

Thank you!

I couldn't agree more, honorRP!

"I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this any more!"
- Howard Beale

Sadly, anti-Catholic bigotry

Sadly, anti-Catholic bigotry is alive and well on the DP.

That's right!.

Bring back the darkness.

A prophecy was written of their demise...

Revelation 18:1-24
1 After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven. He had great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his splendor. 2 With a mighty voice he shouted: "Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great! She has become a home for demons and a haunt for every evil spirit, a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird. 3 For all the nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries. The kings of the earth committed adultery with her, and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries." 4 Then I heard another voice from heaven say: "Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues; 5 for her sins are piled up to heaven, and God has remembered her crimes. 6 Give back to her as she has given; pay her back double for what she has done. Mix her a double portion from her own cup. 7 Give her as much torture and grief as the glory and luxury she gave herself. In her heart she boasts, 'I sit as queen; I am not a widow, and I will never mourn.' 8 Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her: death, mourning and famine. She will be consumed by fire, for mighty is the Lord God who judges her. 9 "When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her. 10 Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry: " 'Woe! Woe, O great city, O Babylon, city of power! In one hour your doom has come!' 11 "The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes any more-- 12 cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble; 13 cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and bodies and souls of men. 14 "They will say, 'The fruit you longed for is gone from you. All your riches and splendor have vanished, never to be recovered.' 15 The merchants who sold these things and gained their wealth from her will stand far off, terrified at her torment. They will weep and mourn 16 and cry out: " 'Woe! Woe, O great city, dressed in fine linen, purple and scarlet, and glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls! 17 In one hour such great wealth has been brought to ruin!' "Every sea captain, and all who travel by ship, the sailors, and all who earn their living from the sea, will stand far off. 18 When they see the smoke of her burning, they will exclaim, 'Was there ever a city like this great city?' 19 They will throw dust on their heads, and with weeping and mourning cry out: " 'Woe! Woe, O great city, where all who had ships on the sea became rich through her wealth! In one hour she has been brought to ruin! 20 Rejoice over her, O heaven! Rejoice, saints and apostles and prophets! God has judged her for the way she treated you.' " 21 Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said: "With such violence the great city of Babylon will be thrown down, never to be found again. 22 The music of harpists and musicians, flute players and trumpeters, will never be heard in you again. No workman of any trade will ever be found in you again. The sound of a millstone will never be heard in you again. 23 The light of a lamp will never shine in you again. The voice of bridegroom and bride will never be heard in you again. Your merchants were the world's great men. By your magic spell all the nations were led astray. 24 In her was found the blood of prophets and of the saints, and of all who have been killed on the earth."

"I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this any more!"
- Howard Beale

Sounds like the end of America

America = Babylon

It was Jerusalem

Jerusalem was Babylon.

How the faithful city has become a harlot! It was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it, but now murderers. ~ Isaiah 1:21

People who see a future fulfillment seem to forget that the Revelation was a letter written to the seven churches at the time about what was to happen "soon." John even gave them significant clues as to who the Beast was and told them to, "with wisdom," calculate his number (Revelation 13:18). No way could the first Christians be given clues and come up with someone born over 2,000 years in the future! Nero was also known as the "beast" and "tyrant" who murdered Christ's Apostles and was the first to persecute the Church.

The early Church knew that the fall of Jerusalem was to come in their lifetime, just as Christ said would happen. That's why the early Christians in Jerusalem fled just before Jerusalem fell, as Christ instructed them to do (Matthew 24) -- an event that Josephus, who was not a Christian, recorded.

I've found that the biblical and historical evidence to be overwhelming that the Book of Revelation was written before, and almost entirely about, the fall of Jerusalem and the End of the Mosaic Age in 70 AD.

Oh....

brother.

Some will say

Some will say it's a bunch a nonsense, but I would appeal to their own wisdom and ask this question. Have you ever seen the original of Bible?
I know the answer already.
But, if you did. ( I doubt, though). Have you read it in originally written language?
I bet you didn't.
So why do you believe this crop?
You don't have a clue if its true.
And, if you think that you have to believe in it, then I am Ok with you wasting your life on BS.
Peace.

Are you Jewish by any chance?

It is usually only those who are Jewish who go to such lengths to undermine the Christian faith. Your knowledge of the contents of the Herodian Temple also suggests a familiarity with the Jewish faith.

The reference to the Holy Spirit as being the "awful spirit" is also bordering on the kind of blasphemy the Jewish priests and rulers were guilty of. They accused Jesus of performing His miracles by the spirit of beelzebub i.e. satan. Those were the same priests and rulers who crucified the Lord of Glory.

This is simply a twisting of language since the Greek root of the English word holy is indeed translated awful. That can also mean AWE FULL i.e. FULL OF AWE...an appropriate response to the Spirit of Yahweh/Yeshua.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

What they fail to understand

What they fail to understand is that regardless of whether JEsus was really Titus or whatever, Jerusalem was still utterly obliterated. That can only happen if Yahweh willed it to be when the Jews were vilating the covenant. So, Titus was literally brought by God in their view. Any time the Jews are mistreated, it is their own fault - the Old Testament says so.

All Organized Religion

Is a bunch of hooey. That doesn't mean there is no God, but you certainly aren't getting closer to her by going to any man made Church.

if God was a woman, we'd all

if God was a woman, we'd all be sandwiches.

lmao!

Good, no, great reply.

They that give up liberty for security deserve neither.

If anyone has come already...

it's the anti-christ.

See: Garden of Eden and Fall of Man.

They that give up liberty for security deserve neither.

Wow...

Romans and Titus... yeah, they're books. Good for you, would you like a cookie? This is genuinely the dumbest thing I've ever seen on here. Guess what? There are also books to the Ephesians, the Colossians, and so on and so forth. The entire freaking Old Testament is composed of books to the Jews.

Also, please explain the cross, the resurrection, etc. Oh, wait, you can't. Seriously, this is the biggest load of crap - it's a historical fact that people who were with Jesus (his apostles) were martyred for their faith. Why would someone who knew their religion was a lie die a horrible death for it?

To people like you, everything that you don't like is met by OMGITSACONSPIRACYTHATDOESN'TREALLYMAKESENSEBUTOHWELL. I'm seeing a rash of these typse of idiotic threads lately - remarkably effective concerted trolling effort, perhaps?

read CM and Watch the video

Joseph Atwill's research is amazing and it easy to follow and understand.

Read the book THEN comment... just getting a brief overview from an article is not enough to clearly know what is written.

Joe's research involved many years of research... it is not a fluke and Joe is not just trying to make a buck here.

At least show some intelligence and read the material before you diss it.

You are making yourself sound stupid by not at least reading the book FIRST.

You expect them to read; you expect them to actually watch?

Haaaaaaaaa! That's way too much effort. It's much easier to read the title of a post and go into defense mode.

Reading and listening takes too much effort; learning is taboo; anything outside the box of mainstream thought is a 'conspiracy theory'.

If Joe could have summed his 10 years of study up in one sentence, perhaps they would "read" it. But to take the time to listen to a few hours of his radio interviews; watch his YouTube interviews, and read a book, really cuts into more important things like downloading the newest iPhone app and making it past stage four of HALO.

No...

...I just don't feel inclined to spend an hour listening to an interview that I don't feel would be worth the time. I have other, more productive things to do (for the record, I own neither an iPhone nor HALO, and in fact most of my "down time" is spent following current events or studying history), and I'm spending enough time as it is responding to this.

Rome persecuted Christians. It's a historical fact; the idea that Rome invented it seems rather silly. Just because two sequences of events seem vaguely similar in no way serves as any indication that they represent the same thing. Christians refused to worship the Roman emporer as a god, which was the main reason they were persecuted. Jesus is a historical figure; we have more proof of His existence (regardless of your opinion of His divinity or lack thereof) as a person than at least one Roman emperor (Tiberius, if I'm not mistaken). To claim that the entire New Testament is a metaphor for some Roman officials also seems silly - regardless of its inconsistency with actual history, what on Earth would the purpose of such a thing be? I'm asking this as a legitimate question, BTW, not as a rhetorical one.

For the record; when Jesus said He would return before that generation had died, He was indeed referring to the invasion in 70 AD, and Revelation very well could be, though it's so confusing that it's hard to tell. However, Jesus obviously did not mean He was returning as a human being. That comes later - He made it clear when he gave the parables discussing being prepared for the End and stated that only the Father knows. Obviously, Jesus knew when the invasion would happen, but He does not know when the true End will happen.

One last thing - I want to apologize for being so sarcastic in my first comment. I sometimes allow myself to get carried away while writing, and it's far too easy to be snarky over the Internet. If you would be willing to summarize the main points in the interview in a post (doesn't matter if it's long or short, I'm a fast reader), I would like to continue discussing it, provided we both remain civil.

Firstly...

there will be no "second coming of Jesus," because Jesus is a fictional character from a book.

Secondly, I laughed out loud when you claimed the authors of the Bible never contradict each other. That book is so riddled with flip-flops and inconsistencies that it sounds like one of Willard's speeches.

I don't play, I commission the league.

Lost interest

I read a little of this (a page or two) it got a little too convoluted for me....I will say I think it's complete BS in my opinion, and I am still looking, waiting, and hoping for the real Second Coming of Jesus Christ. It's my prayer that I can live to see that day.
Thanks for the bathroom fodder.

I have read this before and

I have read this before and believe that Jesus has indeed returned already. This theory is interesting and is the only other option aside from Jesus truly being God and the validity of Christianity proven fact. I don't know what to think of it though - there isn't any historical proof for it. But the coincidences and interpretation should be looked at closer.

The preterist view of scripture is that the siege of Jerusalem was the fulfillment of Jesus's predictions and Revelations. God always used foreign nations to bring judgment upon the Jews - that Titus was leading the siege is no surprise.

Wow

For the first time since I've been a member of Daily Paul I read this post and wonder at any moderator not dissing this. WTF?

Deconstructionists abound

...How is the part when Christians were being fed to the lions going to be deconstructed?

...I will tune in to hear that one. :P

p.s. perhaps it was just part of some early Siegfried and Roy live interactive entertainment that went haywire due to the screaming and cheering crowds that continually spooked and aggravated the caged and hungry lions? ;)

donvino

We stopped using the Holy Ghost

back in the seventies....and changed it to Holy Spirit

The vatican must have been going through a slow news decade and needed something to do...

This is perhaps

the most retarded thing I have seen on the DP. Ron Paul himself is a christian, Mr. South. What say you to that? You keep mentioning how you can buy or rent the video for some amount of money. Im speculating that you are in fact making money every time someone goes to that link from here and buys. I am also speculating you have no belief in God, or you are one of those luciferian satan people trying to mislead people from God. Take your dark energy elsewhere please.

read it

I bet if Ron Paul were to read Caesar's Messiah he would see that Joe Atwill is correct.

If fact I bet Ron would agree on how the christian myth has and is still being used as a political tool to control the masses.

Just as the Roman leaders created it to do. 2000 yrs ago.

Odd, it's only misinterpretation of anything in christianity...

...that can be used for political control. Despite my lack of general orthodoxy, I am devoutly christian, and I see nothing in my faith that lends itself to political control. Romans 13 teaches me to honor the true law and ruler of my land (the Constitution), and Christ teaches me to render unto Caesar only what is Caesar's, and to god what is god's.

As our government is in direct conflict with the proper law and authority of the US, I owe it no allegiance or obedience. I walk in christian liberty to do as I will while causing no harm or offense to my neighbors around me, who are free to walk in whatever liberty they recognize.

I am told to come out of Babylon lest I find guilt in her sins, so short of writing in a vote for Paul, I will not partake in the atrocities of either Obama or Romney by voting for one over the other.

A tool of political control? Only when the sheep aren't familiar with the works themselves and merely listen to their blind shepards - and as we know, when the blind leads the blind, they both stumble into a pit.

Yes, Ron Paul would agree with Atwill's research if he took the

time to read the book and watch the movie.

But

You must remember: Ron Paul is a wise man; not a knee-jerk reactionary idiot who would defend something long after it has been proven to be false. Ron Paul would more than likely, graciously say

"In light of this new revelation of Joseph Atwill's discovery; albeit not what I have been taught to believe all my life, I'm taking a step back and re-evaluating my Christian beliefs" ... "Perhaps I will begin talking to God himself in my daily prayers, without calling on him through someone else' name"

Once you read the book (400+ pages), there is no denying what Atwill has discovered. If you don't want to read the book, at least rent the film; it's only $5.00 and 82 minutes of your life that will finally "Set You Free" of the chains of religion.

How Dare Anyone

.....profess to know what Ron Paul would agree with if they are not Ron Paul.

To go on to applying a direct quote as to what he would
*graciously* say after reading a book you read is pure narcissism and ego.

First, you do not understand Ron Paul and the *fact* that he acknowledges everyone's God given right to worship as they choose. Second, you do not understand the depth of some belief systems, especially Ron Paul's which he has made clear.

You are like a Tower of Babel that will fall under the weight of the pride and ego that constructed it. You obviously feel you have "set yourself free" of something ... so enjoy your freedom. A wise man said "the defense of any proposition is inversely related to the amount of truth contained therein." Truth is often very simple. Obfuscating it generally takes many words.

The internet allows one to *find* many thoughts and quotes from others to back your one-sided conclusion. Truth and God are found within the human heart...its actions and its words.

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