Gary Johnson Most Definitely Will Not Get My Vote
Submitted by Denise B on Fri, 08/03/2012 - 15:44With all the talk about Gary Johnson, I decided to take a little bit of time to actually research his stances on a number of issues. After doing so, I have to admit that I am at a complete loss as to why anyone who is a true Ron Paul supporter would ever consider voting for this man. I went to the website ontheissues.org and discovered the following about Mr. Johnson:
1. He is an avid pro-choice supporter, and in fact supports a woman's so-called right to choose all the way up until "fetal viability" is reached....that can be as late as 7 months! Ron Paul is avidly Pro-Life and these two positions are incompatible.
2. When it comes to gun rights, his stance is simply that "gun laws are ineffective" and that it is an effective crime deterrant when criminals don't know who else is carrying guns. He even makes the statement that "We're ALLOWED to bear arms" because we are free society. REALLY? We are ALLOWED to bear them, or did he forget that the 2nd Amendment guarantees our RIGHT to bear them. I have seen no statement from him anywhere that talks about the 2nd Amendment specifically being written to protect us from tyranny. That was the primary reason, yet Mr. Johnson seems oblivious to this fact.
3. In June, 2011 he declared that he really is a "Classical Liberal", but others prefer the term "Libertarian". That's interesting.
4. In referece to border control, he stated we should just "Open the Borders - the flood of Mexicans will result in more taxpayers". He fully supported the job killing NAFTA and admitted that although New Mexico lost a lot of jobs "we're talking about those jobs which New Mexicans generally didn't want anyway". Really? I wonder if there are a number of New Mexicans who might take issue with that.
5. He supports more Federal Funding for rural Health Services.
6. He supported: Replacing the payroll tax with a Fair Tax and/or eliminating the IRS while implementing a 23% sales tax across the board.
7. He favors the federal REQUIRMENT of hiring more women and minorities.
8. States that the U.S. should provide No Foreign Aid to other countries, unless it "protects U.S. interests". He doesn't clarify who gets to decide whether or not it is in the U.S. interest or any parimeters at all. Isn't all Foreign Aid that is currently shelled out under the guise of "protecting U.S. interests".
This is what I discovered in only an hour of searching. Gary Johnson is not worthy of being referenced in the same sentence as Ron Paul and he is diametrically opposed to many of Ron Paul's stances. Ron Paul spends most of his time talking about protecting the U.S. Constitution. As far as I can see, Gary Johnson spends very little time doing the same.
He will not be getting my vote.
Thanks, Velveeta.
Appreciated.
Even if I agree with the
Even if I agree with the position on Gary from Bmore, there is no reason for the personal attack. Why do it?
I also consider the thread a needless attack on Johnson supporters. There is far too much division on the site. I've taken issue with a number of threads that were seriously off-topic before, but supporting Gary Johnson is not necessarily an attack on Ron Paul. Both are doing the right thing.
Are we fighting Obama and Romney or are we fighting each other?
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Calling All Ron Paul Supporters.
NOBODY.....
Thats N-O-B-O-D-Y here is saying that Gary Johnson is superior or even close to being the equal of Ron Paul.
He ISN'T. He simply ISN'T.
So you are NOT betraying your love for Ron Paul (OUR love for Ron Paul) by supporting him as an alternative.
Gary Johnson is FAR FROM an ideal candidate. Very far.
But he beats the puppets Obama and Romney.
THATS all anyone is saying.
He is certainly no Ron
He is certainly no Ron Paul..but lets be logical about this...if Ron Paul does not get the nomination AND does not run third party/independant then Johnson running will draw away no support. He is not an ideal candidate...but aside from a few issues he is FAR closer aligned with Ron Paul than either Romney or Obama.(on a side note abortion is fake issue, I mean right to life is a good moral stand but ANY legislation to that effect has ZERO chance of passing..hence fake issue, at least for the forseeable future..choose your battles right?). So given a ballot choice between Romney, Obama, or Johnson...sure I will vote for Johnson. He will never be Ron Paul...but he is still a sight better than the alternatives. I actually grew up in New Mexico during his terms and he did do a good job. By no means is he my first or even 5th choice...but he at least shares some libertarian ideals
Reasons to Eliminate!
Many people look for reasons to eliminate a candidate. I prefer to look for things to support a candidate. There might be a few single issue deal breakers but even if Gary Johnson was a bit of a hold my nose and vote candidate I can't vote at all for the other two.
Yesterday I was talking to someone close to me about all the candidates and he was going through his mental list of things he used to eliminate Ron Paul; "doesn't speak as well as Romney and Obama" and another person yesterday who said, "he's not presidential". I've heard other complaints like; eyebrows; too old; bad suits; etc.
These are both reasonably educated middle class business people who are informed by mainstream sources.
I want Ron Paul. Period. But I often don't get what I want. If all else fails I'll lower my standards and take a very serious look at Gary Johnson and won't pollute those waters for everyone else.
How Is He Like Dr. Paul?
I can list a whole lot of ways how they differ but I do not see many ways he is like Dr. Paul.
TheKingIsComing
A vote for Ron or GJ is a
A vote for Ron or GJ is a vote against the establishment! And after the treatment we received from the establishment, that's all I am looking for!
You Can Add Pro Same Sex Marriage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_supporters_of_same-sex_...
Listed under past governors.
TheKingIsComing
Who cares? Thats a fake
Who cares? Thats a fake issue...not the role of government...same sex marriage or not, it really has no bearing on the role of government and even if a law of that nature passes it would create no new goverment office...so its a fake issue to get people riled up to vote with their emotions...not their heads...like abortion.
im not voting for him either, but for clarification...
"In June, 2011 he declared that he really is a "Classical Liberal", but others prefer the term "Libertarian". That's interesting."
libertarian is a classic liberal. the socialists bastardized that term to mean the exact opposite that it once did.
the easiest way to get something done isnt to change the behavior; its to change the meaning of existing behavior. like a cut isnt a cut, torture isnt torture, its enhanced interrogation. war isnt war, its kinetic military action. declaring war now appare
You're exactly right
This used to confuse me, too. Then I read Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom." In the book, the meaning of the term "liberal" and its original, nineteenth century sense are well laid out by Hayek on pages 45-46. The socialists did, in fact, steal this term - which at one time referred to people who believed in liberty.
When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. - Patrick Henry
In June 2011 he declared that he really is a "Classical Liberal"
Link?
are you asking ME for a link?
i quoted him, above.
the easiest way to get something done isnt to change the behavior; its to change the meaning of existing behavior. like a cut isnt a cut, torture isnt torture, its enhanced interrogation. war isnt war, its kinetic military action. declaring war now appare
Okay
I guess I need a link from the Original Poster.
I sense he is a
distraction and a means to draw people from Ron Paul. The full legalization of Marijuana is bait, I surmise, to garner that support.
The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution
Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul
Okay, but if Ron Paul isn't on the ballot so we can't vote for
him anyway, then how is a distraction away from our chosen (but unavailable candidate) and toward our ideals, a bad thing?
Because your vote for Gary
Because your vote for Gary Johnson will be STOLEN and given to Romney or Obama. A write in vote for Ron Paul is less likely to be stolen since the write in candidates name isn't on the ballot and therefor can't be flipped and given to Romney or Obama.
Distraction?
Why didn't the establishment Republicans want their distraction candidate participating in the primary debates?
Thanks for the 8 reasons -Questions and Comments on Each
Here are some questions and comments and conclusions:
1. being pro choice is a widely held "libertarian" view. Being pro life,however,is a valid reason not to vote for a candidate. Ron Paul's view of liberty is pro life. For this reason alone, you can disqualify a pro choice candidate like Johnson. Btw Obama is pro choice, Romney claims this week to be pro life.
Outcome: Do not vote for Johnson
2. I think Johnson is very clear on his support of the 2nd amendment
You read a blurb and your research on Gary Johnson's views on gun control seems to have ended there
Johnson position on Gun Control:
"I don't believe there should be any restrictions when it comes to firearms. None."
April 20, 2011, Slate Magazine
"If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. The first people who are going to be in line to turn in their guns are law-abiding citizens. Criminals are going to be left with guns. I believe that concealed carry is a way of reducing gun violence."
12 Nov, 2000, An Interview with Playboy magazine.
http://2012.presidential-candidates.org/Johnson/Gun-Control.php
Outcome:Vote For Johnson
3. The Term "classical liberal" is a term for liberty minded people - Read "Liberalism" by Ludvig Von Mises
Here is a good discussion of libertarianism vs classical liberalism:
http://mises.org/Community/forums/t/4710.aspx
Romney and Obama are statists.
Being a classical liberal is no reason not to vote for a candidate
Outcome: Vote for Johnson
4.On Immigration- GJ does not believe in just "opening the borders"
He believes in ending the drug wars and documenting immigrants
http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/issues/immigration
On Nafta- Gary johnson supports free trade and supported Nafta
Ron Paul supports free trade and was against Nafta.
Ron Paul believes that Nafta does not support free trade-he believes it is managed trade but is not for repealing nafta.
Outcome:Toss up leaning vote for Johnson
5.On the issue of more federal funding for health care for rural areas it seems Johnson AS GOVERNOR was looking for federal funds to support medicare- as you know the medicare system puts and enormous strain on state budgets and all states look to the Federal government to make up the short fall.
Keep in mind Ron Paul as a congressman also asks for and gets lots of federal money for his district and takes social security for himself.
This is NOT a criticism but a reality-they system is set up that way-neither Ron Paul nor Gary Johnson like it but both would be foolish to reject and not ask for federal funding for their states and districts
Outcome: Vote for Johnson (reluctantly)
6. Supports the fair tax and elimination of the IRS, supports sales tax-this view is more in line with the constitution. Elimination of the IRS is a good start. Taxing consumption instead of income is also preferable and a view held by many austrian economists
Outcome: vote for Johnson
7. Favors the federal requirement of hiring more women-this seems to be the case if support of the equal rights amendment mandates that requirement.
outcome:don't vote for Johnson
8. On Foreign Aid, Gary Johnson in a recent statement to Reason Magazine said
"I’m opposed to any foreign aid, because we’re borrowing money from China, that we’re paying interest on, to give to other countries. So I’m opposed to foreign aid to all countries.
http://reason.com/archives/2011/05/23/reason-interview-gary-...
Outcome :Vote for Johnson
Overall: Vote for Johnson
Go vote Romney then. I think
Go vote Romney then. I think we all know that GJ wont win. We just want him to get the 15% that will get him a podium on the stage. So much negativity about wanting a voice to be heard.
You are on the wrong site...
You are on the wrong site... This is the daily Paul... We are working on getting Ron's message heard... You should be on the Johnson site working with his supporters to get his message out... It ain't over till Tampa... Last I heard Ron Paul has not dropped out...
Been on this site for 5
Been on this site for 5 years. Not going anywhere. If you would pay attention you would see that I will support Johnson only AFTER we know that Dr. Paul is out. There's nothing wrong with being a step ahead in this game. So, thank you for telling me what we're trying to do here, as I've been doing the same by being an RP delegate. Thank you for telling me what we've been doing since 2007.
How many times have you heard
How many times have you heard Ron Paul state he is still running for the nomination in the last 2 to 3 months? He has appeared on many shows and not ONE SINGLE MENTION THAT HE IS A CANDIDATE. He stopped campaigning and Benton told us to be respectful and play nice. Do you really believe Ron Paul is still running?
And now a new money bomb for delegates.
Will that include the ones from La, or Me, or even Ma? If delegates need help let's get some chips ins started instead of sending more money to the likes of Jesse Benton who has done really really well financially by this campaign.
This is no longer the daily paul, this is a site for peace gold and love.
I pray for that hail mary pass at the convention, but face reality, it is a coronation for Willard. Our delegates will be treated like garbage and each state will stand up and voice their support for Willard.
In the mean time if you are a really huge supporter of Ron, you will continue to bash 3rd party candidates.... HE CAN'T WIN!!!! How OFTEN HAVE WE HEARD THAT ABOUT RON AND YOU NAYSAYERS WANT TO SOUND JUST LIKE THE MSM AND BASH 3RD PARTY CANDIDATES. WELL GUESS WHAT............ No one out side the left right paradigm can win if you and I do not support and vote for them!
Formerly rprevolutionist
Go to his campaign site....
Go to his campaign site.... watch the video he posted a few days ago... You can't go on the news and say we plan to take the nomination... It is going to be up to the delegates.... Regardless of rules or anything else to stand up for Ron Paul in Tampa....
I don't support Johnson... That is why I am on the Daily Paul and not Johnson's site. The libertarian party simply has no chance and never has. For 40 years the libertarian base votes libertarian and that changes nothing. They are not even spoilers. Even when Ron ran as a libertarian the only thing it accomplished was he learned he had to be in a major party to win.
The trash you talk in your post is simply designed to discourage a Paul delegate.
Here is the main reason
He's for the full legalization of Marijuana. This issue is about real freedom and liberty and if legal has the ability to change the entire country. GJ gets it. He's not Ron Paul...but then again nobody is. Better to have a someone who isn't a Zionist NeoCon than Robama. Just sayin'...
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”
- President John F. Kennedy
Freedom Of This Nation Revolves Around Weed Legalization?
Have you lost your mind? Oh, wait - did you have one to lose in the first place?
I would expect this kind of nonsense on another site - but not here. All we need for these politicians to follow the Constitution, set down by our Founding Fathers, is for marijuana to be legalized?
What color is the sky - in your world?
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. ~Thomas Jefferson
“It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie...the greatest enemy of the State.” ~Joseph Goebbels
What do you think is going to happen...
when any one of 3 states (WA, OR, CO) vote to legalize in November? This is setting up to be the biggest States-Rights war of our time. The issue of marijuana legalization is at the heart of the liberty movement.
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”
- President John F. Kennedy
I
will be voting for Johnson because I want my vote recorded. He is not perfect and neither is Dr. Paul by his own admission. I think many people that are posting here are either Romney or Obama supporters and even we are not smart enough to see through it. We should be getting past this and working on the important issues such as audit the Fed instead we have posts about Rand Paul and Johnson. Well you can suck my Johnson.
"Endless money forms the sinews of war." - Cicero, www.freedomshift.blogspot.com
Good for you. Don't vote for
Good for you. Don't vote for him. If Dr. Paul doesn't get the nomination, I will. Downvoting commence.
I wouldn't vote for GJ
I wouldn't vote for GJ either..... I'm pretty turned off by all his supporters on this site. The votes have not been counted. Ron Paul has not dropped out. We still have a chance for a Revolution in Tampa.
That said if Ron Paul doesn't get the votes in Tampa my thought is to vote Obama. Why? So we have a shot at a liberty candidate in 2016. I feel it would be a shame to have to wait until 2020 to have another shot at the white house. We have worked to hard to become the party not to use it in 2016.
I think 4 more of Obama will have the sleeping country ripe for the revolution. Besides a vote for GJ is a vote for Obama anyway. A out right loss for the republicans will force them to rethink everything they have done this cycle.