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United States headed towards a violent political upheaval - Ecology/Sociology professor

I hate to provide links to scumbag Yahoo news, but this one is telling:

http://news.yahoo.com/us-really-experience-violent-upheaval-...

If history continues to repeat itself, we can expect a violent upheaval in the United States in a few years. "My model suggests that the next [peak in violence] will be worse than the one in 1970 because demographic variables such as wages, standards of living and a number of measures of intra-elite confrontation are all much worse this time," said Peter Turchin, an ecologist, evolutionary biologist and mathematician at the University of Connecticut.

If Turchin's model is right, then the current polarization and inequality in American society will come to a head in 2020. "After the last eight years or so, notice how the discourse in our political class has become fragmented. It's really unprecedented for the last 100 years. So basically by all measures, there are social pressures for instability that are much worse than 50 years ago."

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yes, well--

been hearing this for decades actually; heard it from Ron Paul, too. Know some scientists who believed this 30 years ago--

nothing new, but it is worth thinking about--

and preparing for.

It is important how people prepare. I will prepare with food and clothing and heat and water, not with guns.

To each his own.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

This does feel a whole lot like 1968

Which were followed by 69-70, years of a lot of social/political
conflict - the closest the US had been to a situation of outright
revolution for a long time..

" Nothing’s more important than stopping fascism, because fascism will stop us all."

Fred Hampton - assassinated December 4, 1969

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton

A violent revolution will not give us freedom

However, a peaceful civil disobedience revolution will.

If millions of people were to disobey and ignore the government and their crazy laws, we would live in a free society over night...

Sure the government will use their police and military thugs to maintain their power over us, but as long as we stay peaceful the world will finally see the government for the violent bully that it really is.

I mean, we outnumber them tremendously... It's impossible for them to imprison the entire population.

Think about it.

Did he factor in age demographics?

In the late 60's, early 70's, the Baby Boomers were young and subject to be drafted and killed in Viet Nam.

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"Fully half the quotations found on the internet are either mis-attributed, or outright fabrications." - Abraham Lincoln

The MSM Wants An Excuse

They want an excuse for Obama to declare martial law. If no person or group provides the excuse, then the government will create one. This is fore-shadowing, it means they've already planned the false-flag.

The Four G's: Gold, Guns, Goods (for barter)...

...and God.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

The Four G's

above.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

Sometimes...

...you can already "feel" it and it seems like the media tries to provoke it in MANY ways. Almost like "they" want it to happen. Just me?

Helps explain the

450 million hollow points!

American military has been

American military has been given enough bullets to to be able to kill every American citizen AND still have many more left to spare!! Utterly sickening.

There is no way military force would turn on their own countrymen/women though. We already know which candidate has most support of active duty troops. They would have to hire random mercenaries from other countries to do dirty deeds. Or worst yet, use armed robots and drones to carry out such actions.

Immoral funding of Military Industrial Complex by Federal Reserve and US taxation system must stop!!!! End illegal/unconstitutional wars! Preserve US currency!
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I posted this below also, but

I posted this below also, but then I saw your post here and thought it was worth posting again in response to your post:

I respect your opinion, but I served for over 20 years in the US military and I believe 100% that the vast majority of the servicemen would follow whatever orders are given to them, including firing upon US citizens. Additionally, I have to stress again that the US military is far too strong to defeat in combat. The only way to defeat them is in the battlefield of ideas, and even that is a challenge given the propaganda and psyops tools they have.

"As the circle of light increases, so does the circumference of darkness around it." - Albert Einstein
"Now, more than ever, the choice between Obama and Romney will be which one do you want to ruin your country?" ~ Wead

I absolutely believe that 99%

I absolutely believe that 99% of those who preach violent revolution would never do more than preach. More importantly, violent revolution would fail miserably in the US. The military and police force is so much more powerful than the vast majority give them credit for. Most people have some Hollywood idea of how some battle would go, but violent revolutionaries would just die very quickly. The only hope for revolution is to peacefully change the minds of the citizens. That's what I think anyway.

"As the circle of light increases, so does the circumference of darkness around it." - Albert Einstein
"Now, more than ever, the choice between Obama and Romney will be which one do you want to ruin your country?" ~ Wead

Too much credit has been given to the US military and police

We always speak in fear of the police and Military of the US, we have given enough power to them through fear, but you need to remember that the founding fathers had to deal with a population which knew nothing of the concept of Liberty, it was more harder for them because they didnt even have a constitution to explain to ppl with, and it took at least 7, 8 years till the revolution exploded with war, The militias in the US aren't alone in this to fight, should the government open fire on us or starting killing openly, that alone will spark a revolutionary retaliation, if you read about how the eygptian revolution occurred, you'll see that it was started by ppl who weren't even involved in politics, just normal civilians,sheep lol. too many people know too much now, I personally think they have lost the war on the minds, thats why they'll go for broke, and turn violent against us, Have you realized bills have suddenly become libertarian, even canada just passed a new set of laws that give them true property and civil rights/ RP's bills are actually coming to fruition, not just audit the fed, so there is a coming reversal of Liberty against Tyranny, I can really see though that it might get violent at Tampa, because RP is going to Win, or speak at least, and they might get desperate and pull something off very stupid, your right though that if war happens here it will be shorter than we expect, just don't expect the military/soldiers to follow blindly with what the government is doing

I respect your opinion, but I

I respect your opinion, but I served for over 20 years in the US military and I believe 100% that the vast majority of the servicemen would follow whatever orders are given to them, including firing upon US citizens. Additionally, I have to stress again that the US military is far too strong to defeat in combat. The only way to defeat them is in the battlefield of ideas, and even that is a challenge given the propaganda and psyops tools they have.

"As the circle of light increases, so does the circumference of darkness around it." - Albert Einstein
"Now, more than ever, the choice between Obama and Romney will be which one do you want to ruin your country?" ~ Wead

Never forget that most revolutions were started

by men who did not want to bother with it and wished to be left alone, till they were dragged into it, by watching their families, friends get killed, or something atrocious happen to them, sometimes it takes a certain button to push someone, people who are blind can turn a 180 degree overnight, it happens, the dissent growing in just a year in the US is frightening, imagine the next year, and its all RP's fault lol, he seems to be extremely optimistic, Just like the founding fathers were when they took on the most powerful military in the world

Well let's hope it never has

Well let's hope it never has to come to that. :)

"As the circle of light increases, so does the circumference of darkness around it." - Albert Einstein
"Now, more than ever, the choice between Obama and Romney will be which one do you want to ruin your country?" ~ Wead

Agreed

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Agreed.

*****

Yes, I see your point. Always

Yes, I see your point. Always figures like Hitler, Chairman Mao, Stalin, Mussolini have emerged out ahead out of violent "revolutions" in the past.

Immoral funding of Military Industrial Complex by Federal Reserve and US taxation system must stop!!!! End illegal/unconstitutional wars! Preserve US currency!
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those dictators disarmed their population before they

started to do mass killings, 360-380 million guns isn't a joke if you want to start a war against your own ppl, I guarentee peaceful resolution with the english king wouldn't have gotten the founding fathers far, Peace is the way to go, but i gotta tell ya they are not giving ppl a fair chance. sometimes ppl get pushed with different buttons, should a father witness his son/daughter getting killed by corrupt cops in the current status quo of our country, you'd be surprised how far that revenge could go, some ppl who wish not to be involved in themselves in anything and wish to be left alone may very turn 180 degrees the next day, life works that way

Where I disagree with this

Where I disagree with this professor:

This doesn't have so much to do with repetition of "upheaval cycles" in American politics as much as "Revisiting fall of Weimar Republic".

Immoral funding of Military Industrial Complex by Federal Reserve and US taxation system must stop!!!! End illegal/unconstitutional wars! Preserve US currency!
http://facebook.com/NoPropagandaZone
http://twitter.com/the_chiefe71

That would make the NWO's day

I for one have no intention giving the NWO any reason to employ arms against wee the people.

What if there was political upheaval and no one showed up?

You're blind if you honestly think

that the r3volution is eight years away, because it's just around the corner right now.

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I give it

until October or November. We are already bankrupt. It happened in 2008. What they have now are phony stories about phony stocks and a phony media.

Keepin' it real.

It the result of socialist thinking

and the laws established 100 years ago by a Progressive government bent on implementing the ten planks of the Communist manifesto.

In Karl's plan the intellectual elites were to implement these planks to help the oppressed masses find their way to the violent revolution that Karl desired.

If this Sociologists knew any history he would know that every thing is going according to Karl's plan.

But this is the United States of Amnesia and few know our own history nor of the success that communism and socialism has had world wide in destroying the security and the liberty of the peoples enslaved by that philosophy.

Free includes debt-free!

Sun Tzu, the art of war.

the prince by Machiavelli. both are playing out right now before our very eyes... George Orwell and Aldous Huxley were both right....
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we will have an RV at the fairgrounds....

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2020 - Wrong

Oops - double post

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2020 - Wrong

If true, it will not be that long. Everything is increasing at an increasing rate.