This Notion that Rand Paul is Fooling the Establishment, is Silly
Submitted by IanCioffi on Sat, 08/04/2012 - 08:56http://libertychat.com/this-notion-that-rand-paul-is-fooling...
The Ron Paul movement seems to be split down the middle on how they feel about Rand’s endorsement of Mitt Romney. But lets look at the argument in defense of his endorsement. The standard line is “he’s playing the game so he can win the White House”. This is said because it’s believed that’s the only way we could ever have a member of the Liberty movement reach that high of power. They would need to climb the political ranks covertly. Sort of like how evil people in politics pretend to have good intentions, well Rand is a good guy, pretending to be another Republican hack. This is the explanation for why he endorsed Mitt Romney. To play the game.
Well when you play a game that has competitors, you’re not guaranteed victory just for playing. You need a good strategy to win. So the supposed strategy by Rand Paul, according to his supporters, is to toe the line so that he convinces the establishment that he’s one of them, while slowly influencing the GOP with Libertarian-leaning philosophies. For this strategy to succeed, the establishment would need to be fooled. Is fooling them this simple?
Do you really think the establishment wouldn’t recognize that this is Ron Paul’s son? That there’s a good chance he really would end the establishment’s fun, if given control of the White House. You don’t think the establishment might have figured this out already, and are playing a wait and see with Rand? You think it would take the establishment much to destroy Rand if he truly got close to the White House?
One way Rand’s strategy is working, is he’s gaining in popularity, from segments of the GOP population that Ron Paul hasn’t been able to reach. But let’s stop this notion that he has the establishment “fooled”. They didn’t come this far, and gain this much power, to allow a Paul to sneak into control of the White House. My guess is if they don’t have Rand in their back pocket, they’re figuring out a not-so-friendly way of dealing with him.
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The movement is NOT split down the middle.
Rand is a clown and has moved to the neo-cons. Very simple. The majority of the folks in the liberty movement get this. He no longer represents the Liberty Movement. He turned his back on the group of people that got him ELECTED. Rand is just another neo-con. Period.
i guess his senses of
i guess his senses of bohemian grove are limited. he's slowly spiralling down into the moloch worship
lawrence
No one worships Moloch. Stop
No one worships Moloch.
Stop promoting bs.
when he was walking away from
when he was walking away from luke rudkowski and that abby girl, he reminded me of "Xanitos" from that cartoon in the nineties, "Gargoyles".
gargoyles was a cool cartoon, f.y.i.
lawrence
Rand fooling the establisment is not what is important
All the people on here fooling themselves and others that Rand Paul is not one of us, is what is important. We got Rand into office, one of our most important victories and biggest achievements we have accomplished thus far, that is what is important. I say we cut Rand some slack and let him do his job the way he feels he needs to in order to advance the cause. We are not Washington insiders, we can pretend all day that we know how it all works, when in the end we don't. Let Rand do his job, we don't have time to nitpick his every word. Stick and move people, stick and move.
Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine
The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!
about time, somebody with
about time, somebody with some sense! thank you
Ron Paul says NO WAY
when asked if he will endorse Romney. Rand seems to have made this endorsement when he did not really want to do so. Who knows why? It was perhaps a chance he was taking that he would be able to influence Romney to include Revolution principles in his platform. I reserve judgement on his endorsement choice, and will of course simply observe his choices in the future. Regrettably he lost a lot of support among RP supporters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMlSYwrnkwo
That's not what he said
He said 'now way' when asked if he was ready to endorse Romney.
When asked if he would eventually do so, he said 'I haven't made that decision yet, it depends on what happens at the convention.'
There's a huge difference. You need to get your facts straight!
Please watch and listen to the video
and read the title of the video which says:
VIDEO TITLE Ron Paul Endorse Romney? "NO WAY!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMlSYwrnkwo
It has been generally accepted for a long time that Ron Paul said "NO WAY" and Wolf Blitzer repeated what RP said and discussed it with him in the video! It is in big letters on the screen. Go to the above YouTube site! Google it if necessary!
Here you go. I Googled it for you!
https://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=Ron+Pau...
Rand Paul is dead to me.
Rand Paul is dead to me.
Rand Paul is a neocon.
He backstabbed his own father, yet people on here are gullible enough to believe he won't backstab the liberty movement? Really?
I don't play, I commission the league.
I once thought that
But I no longer see it that way.
When his father asked if he was going to endorse Romney his father said, "I don't know".
His father has not fought Romney. There has been no Romney- Paul debate.
TPTB have given us Romney.
This rEVOLution isn't about an election, it's going to last long past this election and affect many elections for deacdes to come. Staying in the game is KEY, and that is what Rand's endorsement and "compromises" reflect.
STAND WITH RAND 2016
He is trying to fool us.... not the establishment
It's official. Rand Paul is a neocon/religious right hybrid and that is where his allegiance will remain. From time to time he will introduce liberty legislation or speak about civil liberties, but it is political theatre and nothing more.
People who refuse to acknowledge his betrayal and defend him will finally wake up once Ron retires and they see what Rand is made of then.
The smarter folks knew he was a traitor the minute he endorsed Obama's twin brother!
You are not the establishment
You appear anti-establishement.
Ron Paul is establishment
GJ is establishment
Everyone on a ballot is establishement.
Registering to vote puts YOU in the establishment camp.
STAND WITH RAND 2016
What is the end result of this kind of thinking?
If principles are compromised along the path of gaining leadership within the GOP and nationally, then what is really gained by this strategy? After awhile, what was considered impossible to compromise on, now becomes possible, i.e. wars, unbalanced budgets, support of unconstitutional departments, demagoging, etc. Where does this process end?: become president and be just like Bush or Obama? That strategy that has no merit, IMO.
The Revolution
“The revolution is working, we have infiltrated the Republican Party, and we will convert the Republican Party to defenders of liberty…” --Rand Paul
So why did you bail?
!
I don't understand what do
I don't understand what do you mean?
He means why did Rand Paul
He means why did Rand Paul bail on the Liberty Movement.
Imagine this ...
There are 3 brothers.
2 of them get killed by the establishment.
Would the third brother serve the very same establishment who killed his brothers?
Ask Ted Kennedy.
I'm not convinced about Rand.
The slogan press on has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race. No person was ever honored for what he received. Honor has been the reward for what he gave.
- Calvin Coolidge
The GOP is a big shell
The reason there ar so many contestants for the GOP nomination is that the GOP represents millions of people who don't all agree. The GOP is not an elephant cooky cutter. It's a big tent or shell, and the people within, their issues, are what makes it come alive.
You have to appeal to as many people as you can within the tent to get their support. This is what Rand is doing, and he's noticed, not just because he is Ron Paul's son, or savvy politician in his own right, but he is representing the people who the Neocons marginalize, such as the tea partiers, who we have more in common than the Neocons.
My take on why Rand endorsed Romney is not that he believes in Romney, he doesn't. He, like Ron Paul KNOWS what we are up against, and he knows that Ron Paul Republicans are being targeted, and so he clued us in to how to survive our seats.
Ron Paul said he didn't know who he would endorse. Ron Paul did not say, "ME!" Again, this is a message to us, those who joined the GOP.
WE KNOW, from past experience as Libertarians and Indy's that those two voting blocks have NO chance to win, ever. They are designed to lose. They are designed to take special interested and divide, marginalize and indentify them.
This is another reason the GOP is so upset with Ron Paul Republicans, as we are positioning ourselves, bringing our special interest into THEIR party mix, making it THEIR mix, and they HATE it, which makes us all very happy that their hate for us is working against them.
If actually care about your interests/issues, then the GOP is HOW we make those issues and Ron Paul's message materialize. Anything less may make YOU feel like YOU are standing for what you believe, but actually, all you did was make them and your road side attractions (and because your voter registration gives the establishment so much information on you, you indentified yourself.. example, register Libertarian, you may be a marijuana smoker, and everyone who gets a list of that party, which is available from the county clerk, including availble to ALL law enforcemnt, checks those lists.
STAND WITH RAND 2016
I think overall, Rand will be
I think overall, Rand will be a positive for the liberty movement. It won't be pretty, but it will work out in the end.
He fits right in.
Rand's ends will never justify the means. Iranian sanctions, an act of unprovoked war, is one of his means. To what end, I haven't a clue.
Ian is right, he is only fooling a few Neo-con and Liberty voters.
The only question about Rand Paul for me right now
is how much money has he received and accepted from AIPAC. That's the only thing that I can think of that would show where he is politically.
I believe
All contributions to candidates are listed in the Federal Elections Commission pages.
STAND WITH RAND 2016
That is if you're a lowly slave then it's posted online.
But not if you're a corporation, a PAC, a foriegn country... then it's anonymous- thanks to the supremes. It's "free speech" ya know.
That would be incorrect
Sunny posted AIPACS contributions and Rand did not receive a contribution from AIPAC as you can see here http://www.dailypaul.com/136306/2010-aipac-contributions-of-...
STAND WITH RAND 2016
Thanks, Granger.
That was the point I was making. Glad you found the link. It shows clearly why these "elected" officials don't represent us. Rand is not on that list and that's all anyone needs to know when they suspect foul play on his part. The Rand bashing really should stop.
The list appears to be from
The list appears to be from 2010. This is 2012.
2010 is when Rand ran for the Senate.
He is not running in 2012, so there wouldn't be any contributions to him listed for this year. Understand?