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Is support for Paul all about marijuana legalization?

I was at a Republican debate in New Hampshire a few weeks ago and speaking to a well-heeled Republican about the exciting benefit of youth and the Ron Paul Revolution to the Republican Party. He was an older gentleman with a long history in the Republican Party. He agreed that the new energy was a positive and agreed with me that the establishment forces are doing a lousy job accommodating the new energy. But then he said something interesting. How many of the Ron Paul supporters would be active if it were not for their desire to see marijuana legalized?

I realized that I did not have an answer for him. My guess was that number is much lower than popularly assumed, but I wondered. Then, I saw a post this morning in response to another thread about Gary Johnson, in which the respondent said the sole reason to vote for Gary Johnson is because he is in favor of pot legalization. That stimulated me to ask the question this guy had asked me a few weeks ago.

How many of you are with Paul primarily because you think he would legalize marijuana?

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Secondary...

I'd say it's a secondary issue for most RP supporters. If it's a primary issue for you I don't think you know Ron Paul. Monetary issues (theft), abortion (murder), and educational choice (freedom to think) are far more important. Yes, the drug war is a complete failure, but most are free to not participate. Try not participating in our unjust monetary system, asking an aborted baby what they think about life and liberty, or asking your county for half of your property tax bill back because you homeschool your kids.

I have no doubt marijuana will be abused by some and possibly even more so when legalized. To them I would say that our sinful human nature will abuse just about everything on this earth - whether it's alcohol, guns, or natural resources. But the stories of kids cured of debilitating seizures with THC cannot be ignored, even by the mainstream media.

Definetly not the reason

Although I do support it being legalized it is a small part freedom in general is what interest me if I had to pick just one reason I would say his foreign policy would be my first draw but certainly not my only.

I really doubt from the supporters I talked to most way younger than me I am almost 50. That has never been the reason I have been given actually ever although I am sure there are some that do most I think have had it with the status quo.

Pot was one of the last

Pot was one of the last things to cross my mind when I woke up, as I don't smoke it. However now that I am awake im finding it to be a very popular issue to bring new people around to liberty. It may be one of those hot button issues that wake people up once the feds are forced to challenge states who have legalized it.

How many apathetic potheads who went and got their permission slip from the state, but still find themselves subject to a swat raid because they had no clue that their state and federal laws conflicted will wake up once the Feds start cracking down against the will of the states?

The other way around!

I support legalization today because Ron Paul.

This is an interesting question.

"How many of the Ron Paul supporters would be active if it were not for their desire to see marijuana legalized?"

How many Catholics/Christians would continue to support the Republican Party if abortion was criminalized? The GOP has given lip service to the pro-life movement for at least 35 years, telling it that voting Republican would get judges on the Supreme Court that would overturn Roe v. Wade. That has not happened despite the fact there is not a WASP on the court any longer and the majority of the justices are Catholics.

So, when does the GOP lose its credibility on this issue? The last couple of GOP candidates have not even given the pro-life movement lip service on the issue. [They lost.]

The GOP has lost its credibility with me. The GOP understands that Paul supporters are looking for results. Lip service about decriminalizing drugs for three decades is not going to work. The older gentleman's focus is too narrow. His thinking habits has limited his ability to see the big picture. Persuading the government to allow people to smoke pot is not the objective. The objective is emasculating its power to say people cannot.

I watched Ken Burns movie about Prohibition recently. If you want a guide or template for the liberty movement, watch that and take note how an active minority got the 18th Amendment passed.

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great response!

The question made me question, "How many non-Ron Paul supporters thought Ron Paul was all about marijuana and not ending the federal reserve banking system?"

Potheads are generally passive & lazy, not Activists

You could have answered this question yourself by thinking logically.

What would a pothead spend money on first;

a bag of pot

or

Travel Expenses to go to a Ron Paul speech? Or art supplies for signs? Or volunteer his time to chair a caucus? I could go on & on with this list. You didn't think very deeply about this.

It is about L I B E R T Y and NO ONE EVER said Liberty came without sacrifices.

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It is for FREEDOM that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

I guess you aren't very

logical then...

Yes, I understand this post is almost 2 years old.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

I would probably say that

I would probably say that less than 5% of RP supporters would not support him if he changed his beliefs on marijuana.

However, I would agree that perhaps as much as 1/3rd of his numbers/support come from people who only like his position on foreign policy.

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when i discuss marijuana, i also address marriage and abortion with this and it removes the focus from the issue, to the reason they are issues.
If governemnt would remove these issues back to the states where they belong, there would be no division on the federal stage because these issues would be and should be moot.

i have gotten in the habit of mentioning the other two when one is mentioned and lump all three together claiming states rights.

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That may be an affective way

That may be an affective way to address the issue, but it certainly doesn't do any justice for the reality.

It isn't states rights or the rights for freedom of choice that drive me in this issue (although they are obviously important points and part of the total arguement), but it is the injustices and abuses done by the government in the name of this WAR on drugs that get me going.

I don't use the stuff myself (I'm also extremely conservitive on perscription drugs), but it makes me angry to see what is happening all around the world because of the policies of the federal government.

The resultant abusive governments is the reason why we want to observe personal and state rights on this and every other issue.

please refrane from the loser posts.....

you've got to be f'n kidding me...."all about mary jane use?" please...get a clue....J-@ss...

If that were the case.....

If that were the case, then several aquaintences of mine who are every day smokers, are 0bama supporters and are involved with the occupy crowd would not be so anti-Paul.
This idea about Paul supporters being just about cannabis, which the big government republicrats keep shoveling out in the forms of propaganda and negative stereotyping is simply wrong. This is not about one issue, not about getting one man elected, and certanly not about the rediculous red team / blue team sports for the brainwashed masses. It is about bringing a stop to this ever increasing central power that exists only to serve itself and its connected mega friends, while they all work in unison to control every aspect of life while wiping out the free will of individuals everywhere.
This is why my occupy aquaintences and I don't see eye to eye. They love the idea of using the power of big government to force those they dislike (those who value individual liberty) to comply with the way they want to live. I on the other hand want to leave people alone and at the same time hold them responsible for what they do on this planet. They know that Paul wants to end the war on drugs, but that's not enough for them to support him. Besides, that issue is only one of the many spokes in the wheel for those who value liberty.

I have heard other long time

I have heard other long time 'Republicans' make this same charge (or speculation) - namely, that RP's avid support amongst the young, and especially college students, has everything to do with legalization of pot.
As an open RP supporter of nearly 5 years, I can say I have NEVER met a single fellow supporter who I would describe in these terms. And I have met thousands, and know dozens of them very well.

For me, this subject typifies the state of political discourse in our times. It seems so easy to marginalize views and people based on language usage and ignorance. In the case of this topic, someone who wants to end the "Drug War" based on the principles of personal liberty, is described as "wanting to make heroine okay" (yes, I have heard it put just this way). The real energy of this poison comes from the constant blurring of distinctions, coupled with our TV softened brains.

Here are some other discussion destroying phrases I have heard employed:
FROM THE SO CALLED 'RIGHT'
-Ron Paul wants us to put our tail between our legs and retreat from the 'War on Terror'.
-Ron Paul would throw open prison cells and let thousands of convicted criminals loose on our streets.
-Ron Paul wants Iran to have nuclear weapons.
-Ron Paul wants us to abandon Israel.
FROM THE SO CALLED 'LEFT'
-Ron Paul is in favor of a 'dog eat dog' world and 'survival of the fittest' mentality.
-Ron Paul would reverse the gains of civil rights movement
-State's Rights is code words for a return to Jim Crow laws.

Feel free to add your own.... There are hundreds to choose from.

When engage in conversation with someone who employs such phrases, one spends so much time unpacking the terminology and definitions that most people zone out before the real discussion begins.

To see a good way to frame the 'drug war issue', see David Robertson's post to this thread titled "War on Drugs = War on Minorities", but good luck getting a neo-con to listen fairly.

Simple to Refute: Invite Him to Visit the DP

The number of threads on the DP about marijuana are few, in comparison to the number on the Fed or Iraq or guns. Imagine that.

He can do a simple word search or actually read the threads. I think he'll find that many actually oppose marijuana use, would not use it, but don't necessarily think the federal government has the authority to intervene in a state issue, or who think no government does. And there are many who have changed their minds because somebody convinced them.

This "pot-head" charge is a favorite criticism of libertarians. It just isn't true. Pot-heads may have a party, but it won't be political.

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Very Practical Advice

Always good to see someone come up with a very simple and practical way to change a real individuals mind. If the poster takes your advice, he may want to direct this elder Republican to start with this very thread, one where RP supporters are having an intelligent conversation about how we are often marginalized and misunderstood.

That's one of many.

To follow someone for a single issue is about ridiculous. If that was you're only issue that you agreed with Ron Paul and Gary Johnson, wouldn't you more likely be a democrat?

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Ive been a HUGE supporter for Dr. Paul for many years..

And would I cast a vote for him for no other reason other then his stance on the Cannabis Hemp Plant??? YOU DAMN RIGHT I WOULD! (and please take notice I refer to the plant as to what it is CANNABIS HEMP!) Not fricking MARIJUANA! S-T-O-P using that negative racist term for the most important plant God has blessed this planet with! For those of you in know, you will understand that statement..I encourage all of you who could "give a damn about smoking that "DRUG" to RESEARCH this GOD SEND. It is a NON TOXIC VEGETABLE! You can not over dose on this plant no matter how much you eat or smoke! You want to know why??? BECAUSE IT IS NON TOXIC!!!!! In fact google the Endocanabinoid System. You want to keep your body disease free??? INGEST the cannabinoids! It is truly a "Tree Of Life" It is a CURE for cancer..YES a CURE! A NON TOXIC CURE! and it is a plant that we could do away with these evil fossil fuels we continue to go to war over..and it is an awesome healthy food..an incredible fiber, second to NONE and last but not least a STRONG NON TOXIC MEDICINE that saves lives! I have THOUSANDS of hours of research on this plant and it pisses me off when people spout off the bullsh&t our elected officials have pounded down our throats about the evil "Marijuana" Plant... Even Ron Paul needs to bone up on the facts about the wonderful Cannabis Hemp Plant..because if he knew even 1/2 of what I know to be FACT he would be educating people about this everyday! This plant MUST be planted EVERYWHERE there is dirt people..and once you educate yourself on this you will be saying that "I am spot on!" Now PLEASE stop calling it Marijuana when talking to others about it..call it what it is. CANNABIS HEMP!

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What was the question?

Uh... dude!

Probably an insignificant minority here SOLELY for pharmacological freedom. Most of us are full-spectrum libertarians (even if some prefer to call themselves "conservatives") who resonate with The Good Doctor's broad range of issues, all tied up neatly in a pro-choice ethos that trancends modern superstitions about the "left" and the "right."

Probably the vast majority of single issue "supporters" haven't managed to get themselves registered as Republicans anyway.

Tell your "well-heeled" cohort that it is a silly question, which calls for a silly response.

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How many Paul supporters would be ACTIVE?

I thought pot made folks aimless and inactive; unless they're pursuing munchies, music, and/or art, eh? LOL

The mastodon party member who posed the question simply didn't get that the pursuit of Liberty animates us to promote constitutional remedies for all of our societal woes.

The attempts to thwart marijuana use by police and military activities; penalizing and warehousing harmless consumers, and burdening the rest of us to pay for the continuation of this futile and failed policy; is only one area of huge wrong that we hope to right.

Are there many RP supporters who are single issue on this? Definitely not! There are many that would support an adult's right to choose his medicine, or even reasonable recreation use; rather than try to justify living under an oppressive police state that destroys the lives of innocent folks, whether they use pot or not.

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

War on Drugs = War on Minorities

The issue of "legalising" drugs is a misnomer and should always be challenged. Dr. Paul's position is that regulating drugs such as alcohol and cannabis is a States responsibility. He has pointed out that the 18th. Amendment didn't work only causing an increase in criminality. The Federal War on Drugs has had the same result and has cost well over one billion dollars to implement. It has also criminalised the intelligence services who are deeply involved, as well as the police and judiciary, just as did Prohibition.

The War on Drugs has resulted in a War on Minorities who are the most adversely affected by the mandatory sentencing provisions and end up in Federal prisons for long sentences. The War on Drugs has helped to destroy the African American family and has led to a dramatic increase in drug related violence and murder in minority communities. The drug trafficking is encouraged and controlled by the intelligence services like the CIA who use it to fund their black ops in foreign countries.

The Federal prison system has been privatised so that for-profit corporations are involved in the acquisition of prison clients and are motivated to ensure there is a steady flow of prisoners and Federal funds into the prison system. The circle is completed when all the key choke points in the drug trafficking business are controlled by government agencies or related private corporations.

These are the primary reasons for ending the War on Drugs. The people who wish to keep the drug business going like to focus on the drug consumption issue because that is where the public can be emotionally controlled. The effects of drug consumption can be pretty awful and if the focus is on these effects the public can be persuaded to support the Federal drug dealing business aka the War on Drugs.

Therefore it is important to shift the focus to the effects of the War on Drugs on the minority communities and the involvement of the Federal government in the drug trafficking business. By moving the regulation of drugs out of the Federal jurisdiction where it does not belong into the jurisdiction of the States and the People these substances can be better dealt with and their effects ameliorated.

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It's not about pot It's about Freedom

The war on drugs is a war on our families and friends. Having the law enforcement and punishment industry conduct medical policy is asinine..

People have to be allowed to experiment and make mistakes and learn. As an example the huge strides in medicine the 74 billion dollar a year medical cannabis industry in California has achieved in spite of gov opposition..

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Should've titled post

"For some people, is support for Ron Paul all about marijuana legalization?"

There are a lot of people out there (most likely none on the DP) that support RP all because of his stance on drugs. What a lot of people don't realize is that if Ron Paul were to become president, that wouldn't end prohibition. RP would pardon all non-violent drug offenders, but, a bill to overturn the bill that outlawed pot would most likely never pass Congress, but, even if it did, most of the states would still prohibit marijuana.

Is support for Romney all

Is support for Romney all about NDAA legalization?

Is support for Obama all about Obama care?

Is support for Johnson all about gay marriage?

It's very simple support for Ron Paul is about Freedom legalization.

I'm not a smoker yet I can certainly understand You and I own our body and should have the right to put whatever we want into it. I see the crooked auctions of the regulatory agencies and know how wrong it is to sell one group the right to pollute while restricting ones right to sue for pollution damage.

Freedom is popular.....

It looks to me that

It looks to me that decriminalization of Marijuana is a gateway issue for many new members of the liberty movement. As they wake to up all the issues they grow into full libertarians.

Monetary policy is also the other large gateway issue. These tend to be the 30 somethings primarily who realize that their standard of living is not better than is was at 18 even though the number of FRN's they get for their labor is higher.

Yes, I know I generalized the last bit. This is based on observation and there may be any number of biases brought in.

KAF

I would say abolishing the

I would say abolishing the IRS is a gateway..... That effects 100% of wage earners.

I love to poke smot

and that is why I am here so +1 for your poll/tally/polltally/ whatever you want to call it.

Pandas is bad.

I support Ron Paul because I want to live free...

... plain and simple.

I want my children to have a life without fear of government intruding into their lives and imposing tyranny under the color of law and false authority.

I say legalize freedom and all that goes with it. Live and let live and to each his own.

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Sorry your question received so many down votes;

it is valid though it no doubt seemed frivolous to many. And please don't confuse GJ supporters with RP supporters. Supporters of Ron Paul are solidly behind him because he alone offers a consistent defense of Liberty and Peace. Of course all victimless "crimes" are unjust, and pot smoking falls into that category.

Of all issues, I'd say peace, as in non-aggression -- both foreign and domestic -- is the one most important concept that underlies all of RP's policies.

I don't use any drugs or drink and I am for Paul

I don't think lots of people should be in jail for drugs, unless they sell to minors. After the age of consent, we shouldn't tell people what to put in their bodies.