PROOF: God (Vespasian) Himself Admits in the Scriptures to Having a "Human Father That Disciplined Him"Submitted by The South on Sat, 08/04/2012 - 16:31
Since my other post got down voted and moved to "Off Topic", I'm making my case again. Now lets see who can rebut this. As you'll see by the time you finish reading this post, "God" himself has admitted over 2,000 years ago to having a "Human Father Who Disciplined Him":
Here's my original post that got swept away to "Off Topic". Is a Roman Conspiracy to Create Jesus Christ really "Off Topic"?
Take your fingers out of your ears, and open thou eyes.
Hebrews 3:8 Warning Against Unbelief
"Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion, during the time of testing in the desert"
Translation: Now that you see I am "God", do not harden your hearts (and minds) against me, like you "DID" during the rebellion. As in, I God and my Son Jesus Christ (Titus) conquered you all; you were once rebellious sinners, do not let that happen again.
"Did" is past tense people; it already happened.
Now onto another:
"Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt?"
Translation: Aren't all of those sinners who rebelled against us in this battle, the same sinners who were led out of Egypt by Moses?
Again: It already happened.
And here's more:
"He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption"
Translation: Titus did not enter the Kingdom of Heaven (the new Jerusalem they had just conquered) by giving the blood sacrifices of goats and calves like the rest of you; he entered by the shedding of his own blood in the battle; he led the way, therefor is entitled to eternal redemption.
"Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you
Translation: Obey your new leaders and submit to their authority; they must account for you at all times, if you fail to obey them and make their lives difficult, you will surely pay.
2 John: 7
"Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the anti-christ"
Translation: The Jews who fled before and during the battle that did not believe that Vespasian was God and his Son Titus was our Lord Jesus Christ, are still out there in the world. Those such persons are considered to be Anti-Christs; non believers; they are against Titus; do not believe he is the Christ Jesus; they are "anti-Titus", therefor to be considered "anti-Christs".
I can go on and on and on and Onnnnnnnn. Once you realize the ministry campaign of the Jesus the Flavian's created is in sequence and dependent upon the military campaign of Titus (study the times and locations of both); you will see what actually happened. They simply back dated the Scriptures 40 years so that Titus was the one who fulfilled all the prophecies the "character Jesus" spoke of.
They killed two birds with one stone: They wrote in the Scriptures that 40 years ago their "Jesus Christ" who walked the earth prophesying of this great day Heaven would be restored on earth, was not the actual messiah; but an impostor; the wannabe messiah. It is apparent that he was not the messiah Jesus, because he was slain and hanged on a Cross for all the world to see (although no one from that generation was actually there to see the event take place); that his father "God" he spoke of was not some eye in the sky; it was actually Vespasian; and the REAL messiah was now proven to the world to be Titus "Jesus Christ". Titus is the one who opened the gates to heaven (Jerusalem); Titus is the one who commanded the armies circle Jerusalem; Titus is the one who razed the Temple; Titus is the one who cast the Devil (the General who was the leader of the opposition; the HEAD of the non-believers; the MAIN Anti-Christ himself) into the pits of hell (the river burning with ashes from wood and rubble from the 47 days of war).
It was Titus who fulfilled all the prophecies this "fake messiah" spoke of 40 years earlier; it was Vespasian who took the throne as God, and his Son of man Titus aka Jesus Christ was the sword swinging warrior that made it all happen under his command.
If you study the Arch of Titus, you can see that the Scriptures are the literary version of the historic monument.
Titus fulfilled the prophecies the "fake Jesus" spoke of, therefor he MUST be the real Christ Jesus, not the one that supposedly hung on a cross 40 years earlier.
Lets go all the way back to Genesis 1:26 shall we?
"Then God said let us make man in our image, in our likeness and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the live-stock, over the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground"
Question: Who is "us" and "our"? Could that be Vespasian speaking? Telling his sons and others that we will make man in our image (Romans), and he will RULE over the earth?
Catholic = Universal
Now onto :27
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them"
Now onto :28
"God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground"
Pause: In verse 27, God created man ... In verse 28, he blessed them and said to them ...
So if God already created man; already blessed them instructed them to be fruitful and increase in numbers, then why in Genesis 2:5 under Adam and Eve, it says:
"there was no man to work the ground" and in 2:7 it goes on to say:
"the Lord God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and then man became a living being"
But I thought he had already created man?
Look, the Flavian's had to stop the militant-messianic Jewish movement of the day. Their God or "messiah" was David; the David that defeated Goliath. He was a warrior; a killer; he took the head off of David, and was coming to take the head off Caesar(s). The Flavian's had to 'high-jack' the Torah and the information in the Dead Sea Scrolls; the Old Testament, and twist it up; reword it and lead the text of the Old into the text of the New Testament. Nero did not like this movement of disobedient Jews to the Roman Empire and called upon Vespasian to quash it. He brought his son Titus and did just that.
The engravings on the Arch of Titus show him bringing back a copy of the Torah to the City of Rome along with the trumpets used to call the Jews to prayer; the golden lamp, etc. They used the wealth they had stolen to build the famous "Colosseum".
And again, the Million Dollar Question that everyone on this board continues to sidestep; continues to bury their heads in the sand and avoid it like the plague:
Can a REAL God have a Human Father?
Excerpt from the passage "God Disciplines His Son(s)"
NOW HERE'S THE PUNCHLINE PEOPLE!
Further down the passage in Hebrews 12:9 God (Vespasian) says:
"Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us, and we respect them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and live! Our fathers disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, that we may share in his holiness"
Here Vespasian is stating "we have all had human fathers who disciplined us", but now that I am the true living God of Heaven (the new Jerusalem), I will discipline you for your good, so that you may share in my holiness.
Then in Hebrews 3:12 prior to that he even states:
"See to it brothers that none of you has a sinful unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God"
Do you see the Vanity?
The Million Dollar Question: Did or does a REAL God have a human father?
This is the beauty of this statement: I didn't say that; you didn't say that; Joe Atwill didn't say that; no other internet guru or biblical scholar said that; Fred Flintstone or Robert Price didn't say that.
Forget any other arguments from anyone else, and rebut the words of God Himself as written in Hebrews 12:9 above.
Who dares to rebut the words of "God" himself?
This is not Atwill's argument; it is MINE. I have never heard it brought up before (God Punishes His Sons), that God (Vespasian) admitted to having a Human Father Who Disciplined Him. If someone has brought it up before, please post it in the comment section below to correct me.
Again: Who on this board dares to question the Word Of God Himself when he states plainly and clearly in the Scriptures that he himself at one time had a Human Father That Disciplined Him?