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Gary Johnson wants a 23% national sales tax.

Gary Johnson is pushing for the so called "fair tax" which would institute a 23% national sales tax. This is something Ron has warned against over the years.

I wonder when the Libertarian party became the party of higher taxes?

I have not been a fan of Johnson, but even I was sort of surprised to hear he was pushing for a 23% national sales tax.

EDIT: For those who have requested a link. Straight from Gary's website point number 2. http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/issues/economy-and-taxes

EDIT: From Gary's website specifically referencing his support for a 23% national sales tax. http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/presidential-candidate-gary-j...

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and elvis wants a peanut butter and banana sandwich

who cares what gary wants lol

irrelevant

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But surely he is a libertarian like Bob Barr!

What do you think? I'll tell you what I think.

This doesn't sound like any real libertarian that I know.

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Russia is 13%

I'm for zero.

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Is that you Ron?

Tell Carol I said hello!

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lol

Ya know, I'm not a chef by any stretch, but I've been wanting to get my hands on that cookbook of hers...to help stimulate the economy :-)

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That reminds me of my ex for some reason!?!?

:)

Sorry, I gotsa naughty mind!!

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Protecting big government interests. Too bad.

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Hmmmmm.. trust the gov to fiddle around with our tax system..

Why not.. I can't think of anything that's happened in the last, ohhhh say, a week, concerning taxes, that might shine a bad light on the idea.

I mean if you think about it.. many of us are already at an effective rate of 55% to 65%.. so uh mmmm uh.. big gov is gonna help us out and give us a tax break?

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Especially if there are in Congress.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Vw6uF2LdZw&playnext=1&list=P...

Collins and the Railroads swindled million out of Congress, over and over again. Crony Capitilism gets a lease on life, 1847.

Nobody does stupid like government.

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Why not 24% and an income tax Gary?

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I'm close to acquiescing on this.

I'm a Constitutionalist, and firmly believe we would be far better off returning to Original Intent, that being the Federal government taxing the States, not the people directly.
However, in light of the overwhelming educational hurdle regarding the 16th and 17th Amendments, and considering the inherent danger of the Income Tax Code, I have to agree that a National Sales Tax may be the most practical and expedient solution.
I would not support it if it does not repeal the 16th.
I also think 23% too high.

Undo what Wilson did

repeal the 16, and the 17th

repeal the 16, and the 17th and the IRS and get it to a 15% rate and I'm for it.

Expediency: cause nothing bad could come of

moving too fast politically with the current assholes we have running the country.

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You cannot justify an illegal tax and the idea of

taxing labor by moving to a tax that will replace the said illegal tax.

The 16th was ruled upon as not giving any new powers of taxation. No need to repeal it.. people just need to understand that they are not required to pay the tax to begin with.

get rid of the existing government and their stealing ways and THEN repeal it if you must and do away with almost all forms of taxation, except those where corporations were meant to pay. Shrink the government down to almost nothing.. close the Fed and shazam... you won't need to pay tax and the government will still have plenty for defense.

That's what Dr.Paul was about..not morphing the income tax into another form of taxing.

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OK. I'll say it. You write a

OK. I'll say it. You write a "very lopsided" post. What are you the media? A Democrat? It's written exactly the same as what local Democrats did against Fair Tax supporters in their campaigns. You like their TV commercials cunningly ignore the fact that it eliminates (reduces to zero) the income tax and corporate tax. It includes social security tax, and all other taxes. How about dividends, interest, death tax? Add them all up and what do you have? Another benefit is it also puts the power of revenue collection in the hands of people based on when and how much they want to spend, and takes that power out of the hands of Washington. That's great and it's no wonder why Washington doesn't want the people to have such power over their purse strings. This is doing something about our tax code. It's on paper and has been analyzed. It's way better than what we have, would probably save our country from the path its on to the toilet with an economic boom and is therefore probably absolutely necessary. It reduces compliance costs with tax laws. It eliminates the need for the government to track your income as well. I'd like to see all taxes gone, yes, but if we are going to balance the budget to current revenue levels with 1.2 T cuts with removal of some major programs the in-balance part still needs revenue close to current revenue levels so people currently dependent on welfare who still need our help will not be suddenly cut off.

Isn't 23% better than....

The present tax system collects more than 23% and on top of that are H&R Block and the other million or so paid accountants and tax form preparers that would vanish and no longer be a burden on society. Furthermore, the extensive games, tax dodges, shelters etc. would vanish, again freeing society from that burden.

Do I like taxes? No, but they will not all vanish overnight. There are two groups of taxes as far as I am concerned; those we can immediately dispense with and those we hope to eliminate in the future.

Sarcasm

I don't think he wants a tax that high. But the way we are consuming everything and pushing the bills to future generations. The item is we should pay what we can afford. If a 23% tax is not what you want maybe you shouldn't be wanting government to be spending so much money. I agree the idea and solution is wrong but it is logically sound. If you want the government to spend more you got to pay more. If you want to pay less, the government will do less...(this isn't true, as we find out).

Even Herman Cain...

...is more reasonable than this. Why are people up-voting this?

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I view the upvotes as a

I view the upvotes as a 'worthy of discussion' or 'this is something worth our attention', not as an approval of the message.

That is a very undefined...

...idea. Everyone down-voted Rand Paul's endorsement of Romney when I think it was worthy of discussion.

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I'd prefer a sales tax only

I'd prefer a sales tax only but not issued by the Federal government. The sales tax should just be from my state, county, and city. The Feds should get money in a different way that doesn't involve a sales tax or income tax.

no sales tax

I live in a State that doesn't have a sales tax...and I like it! How about the Federal Government just get taxes from the State and the State can collect it however they want. It sure would simplify things.

How about just stop being

How about just stop being world police and end the welfare state, then drop income tax and corporate tax down to 0% as a result.

Closing up our entire

Closing up our entire military, including veterans affairs and HS, and ending all welfare would save about 1.4 trillion dollars. So at best we'd have a balanced budget. Eliminating the income and corporate taxes would result in a deficit of 1.2 to 1.5 trillion again.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

How are you defining "welfare"...

...because SS, Medicare, and Medicaid alone (which make up most but not all welfare spending) consume more than $1.5 trillion annually. The military is another $700+ billion.

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I do not define SS and

I do not define SS and Medicare as welfare.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

Just curious...why not?

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Because people who get paid

Because people who get paid SS paid into it. It is like calling a pension plan welfare. Especially when the average SS recipient gets less than what his share of the trust is worth.

Medicare is a little different. Obama's cuts to it actually balances it out. Provided the cut is allowed to pass, I wouldn't call it welfare.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

You would not need to

You would not need to eliminate the entire military, bring it back to Clinton-era budget levels. But this country would be in the black, because eliminating income tax and corporate tax would be unprecedented in this world, there would be the largest in sourcing of jobs ever witnessed on this planet. There would be more people making money and more people with money to spend than ever before. It would result in government coffers collecting more revenue from people spending money than forcing them to give it over through their paycheck. Sales tax revenue would be a huge growth along with property taxes. It's Austrian Economics my friend.

It wouldn't be unprecedented.

It wouldn't be unprecedented. There are states in this country that have 0% income tax and corporate tax, yet those states are not exactly the economic giants of the US.

We are already one of the lowest-taxing civilized nations out there....

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a