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PaulFest, Johnson 2012, L4RP and "Creeping Meatballism"

So I'm his guy, see...and I read the Daily Paul everyday for the "alternative-non-commercial-perspective" it embodies.

There have been many topics in great debate here, but it seems that the three most memorable, and long-running are these:

Lawyers for Ron Paul
Gary Johnson 2012

They all employ a public-relations related necessity, and I think I am aware of where it comes from....how this came to be...and finally:
For the answers, we must travel back in time to 1956, early talk radio, and an article in the NY VILLAGE VOICE by an up-and-coming alternative, yet somewhat mainstream-appeal personality:
............JEAN SHEPHERD.....................................

"Many years ago Jean Shepherd, the late, great American humorist, writer, and above all, radio talk show personality, coined the phrase "creeping meatball-ism" to describe the general direction of our great society. And here we have more proof that Jean was, as usual, right on. Oh well. As Jean would say, "Excelsior!" Onward and upward. And watch your step, meatballs".*
*(Star Tribune.Com;Comments)


" Take the Charlies of today, for instance. All of us. We fumble. Hope for the best. Figure it will all turn out OK in the end. But fear that it damn well won't. The sale of "How-To-Live"-type books is good evidence that a lot of people are looking for some kind of blueprint. What an opportunity for some guy with a plausible-sounding rating system that can be applied to the life of every Charlie everywhere!" (Village Voice 1956)

"Shep" as he was affectionately referred to by his fans,had great appeal across the masses.
Many were college and high school "kids", and also those who were older,including teachers, parents, fellow workers, and almost endless array of the American citizenry.

Shep also discovered , quite by accident, who to survive in the "ratings game" although he made a mockery of the NY TIMES BESTSELLER LIST with his "supposedly-written" novel: "I LIBERTINE".

I LIBERTINE managed to scam the PTB ino believing that a non-existent novel was now the rage of literary reknown.

It was "perpetrated by Shep and his "audience...was much ballyhooed by TV personalities, Literary Pundits, all while being a "manufactured-nonexistent" tool used against a supposedly sophisticated class of authority figures...TPTB.


From Shep's Article:
" Conflict is a necessary element in every good theatrical effort, so let's have some, boys"....
" Let's have some Conflict, boys, but make it harmless--because we're really playing for laughs, not fist-fights here..."

Seems to be a helluva lot of "conflict" lately.

QUESTION: How much of it is "generated"?
Thanks in advance for your answers...will this be a roller-coaster?
...Stay tuned...meanwhile: FLICK LIVES! (Google that!)

And don't forget to LAUGH!

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In Light of Recent Events

..Most notably, the attack on the 2nd Amendment being perpetrated in conjunction with Radio-Stations, "supposedly" pulling Alex Jones off their schedules...
I felt it was time to revisit an earlier "broadcaster" who very cleverly managed to stay on the air, and ride the waves of controversy.

"I Libertine"; or how the Media is really full of ________.


"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Much Has been Perpetrated

..Upon the American Public.
This article deals with the recognition of that as early as the 1950's, and it apparently hasn't stopped.
The book "I Libertine" was a perfect example of that, and was indicative of the concepts detailed within the Village Voice Article.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!



Label Jars, Not People!

great post

Creeping Meatball-ism :)

They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds. -mexican proverb

Thanks Ed!

Did you ever visit the Limelight in Greenwich Village?

Shepherd did a show there on Friday nights in addition to radio.
Like Dr Paul he had a huge "collegiate" following.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

too young :)

to attend any of its Gatien incarnations. Although I could probably get in now..too bad its a shopping mall...even has an ihop within. How gauche!!!

Hey if you are familiar w NYC talk radio..then do you remember a guy named Jay Diamond ? He was on WABC in the early to mid 90's.

They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds. -mexican proverb

Yes! I was Quite Fond of Jay

He was "relegated" to a "minor" radio-station...sad.

Even sadder is the bombardment of propaganda today.
Shepherd saw this coming..he was ahead of his time, but the commercial-run networks were always battling with him.

Google MASS BACKWARDS; Max Schmidt's WBAI-FM show still plays late-night replays of Shep's shows.
I have many on pc/disc if you're interested...a freebie on me.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

I listened to Jay Diamond

in my early teens. Wow!!! Many credit Ron Paul with their awakening but Jay Diamond planted the seeds for me. His position (@ the time) on competitive markets, currency and capitalism definitely left its mark. Being a product of the NYC public school system his views definitely opened my eyes. I was the only 13 year old I knew who understood the ills of creeping globalism, the CFR and NAFTA. He also did wonderful impersonations of Al Sharpton and err, er uh Ed uh Koch :)

I will definitely Google that. Sounds very interesting, sadly I have spent my entire life knowing almost nothing about shepherd..its time I learned :) Thanks Danton.

They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds. -mexican proverb

Dinner w/ Dr Gilbert?

Haha!...Yes I grew up watching these guys, always like "Shemp" Howard.

The "Shep" I mentioned is the author of and narrator in the Film:
"A Christmas Story".
Believe it or not, "Shep" or Jean Shepherd wrote a number of short stories which were published in Playboy magazine late 50's early 60's.

His nightly radio-show was a one-man operation and his style was copied by many...
Before Bill Cosby or NPR's Prairie Home Companion, there was Shep who did his show on the radio weeknights, and did a solo act at the Limelight in NYC's Greenwich Village live.
But the crux of this OP is twofold:
"Creeping Meatballism", and..
"I Libertine" : a hoax upon the literary community of that day.
Shep expressed disdain for self-described "intellectuals, although he was published, well-read, a jazz afficionado, but had the "touch" of the common man.
I wonder what he'd be saying today.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!


While I don't agree with Dr. Gilbert on all the issues, I do look forward to reading his new book, "I, Libertine", and plan to purchase part one from Amazon through DP. I see it's on sale $20.12. How's that for irony? I think it's clue too, like 1984. Thanks for the suggestion Danton. I heard it was an outstanding book, especially esteemed at Cambridge or is that Harvard?, where it's been tweeted 4 million times, that most the women who've read it are naming their baby girls after Marjorie, Richard's long lost love.

You're positively wicked! LMAO

Do you realize the field day we could have with this on GJ posts?

Granger, you're absolutely priceless! Were you educated in Catholic schools with Irish Catholic nuns and priests? I recognize the MO.

Between you and Danton, I haven't laughed this hard in a very long time. Love you both!

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

My nose is twitching

I miss fonta! I was educated in the USN, global education, perpetual new kid in school syndrom.

Groove on this Nonna, with LOVE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oab4ZCfTbOI&feature=related

Wow! That was great! Thank You!

Funny you should mention fonta. A few minutes before I read your reply, I was thinking about her and missing her, too! I think she'd have had a good time with the 3 of us today. I doubt fonta left us and hope everything is okay with her. So many of our "cyber friends" aren't here anymore.

I read a comment in the Mod Suggestion thread that Mark left for the mods about people leaving DP. Thank goodness for Danton's "I Libertine" and his great sense of humor throughout DP. Without Danton starting things up today, I'd be feeling really down after reading Mark's comment. I don't even recognize too many screen names anymore. I'd been lurking here since 2007 and some of the names suddenly appearing are people who became members back then and I hadn't seen a word from them in whole time I've been active here until now. I half expect to see Frederic Ewing adding divisive comments any day now.

Again, thanks, Granger and thanks, Danton, for still being here, along with a few other friends.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Oh wow

I just went to MOD Box and read Mark's post.. very articulate and he's such a great guy, would be our loss, that's a fact!

That song I posted for you, it's because it's not easy (except when it's funny) to face these some of the folks Mark was talking about, in that they don't want the truth, just arguments or pressure to "be like them", so you have to stand up, and to do that, well, you gotta respect yourself. So it was just a little song to let you know, I respect you, and of course myself.

I honestly believe we are doing way better this election than we realize, and I do believe Ron Paul could win. May seem crazy, but that's the story of my life.

Reminds me of another life story.

I think I was 4 years old. My parents took me to an Easter Egg hunt. I was a shy kid, being I was always moved around, and my parents were both dynamic people, very popular, good looking, confident people. I was the opposite, starting to think at 4 years old, maybe I had been adopted.

So they take me to this park, and the kids are all exicted and being little kids, when this man in a bunny suit opens the gate and all the kids ran into the park. They were passing me up right and left. My parents were screaming at me to run. I walked. I was looking at the ground while I walked, and all I could see were broken eggs.

Everywhere I looked, broken eggs. As the minutes passed, I would see baskets beginning to fill with pretty colored egges, and I didn't have one, just kept finding broken eggs. I rambled around the train, and the slide, and the swings, and sand box, and my parents were screaming at me, "Come here!! "Come here!!" and I thought, "Man I'm in trouble now. All these kids have eggs but me.. oh I'm in BIG trouble." I began desperately looking for at least one egg. Broken eggs everywhere. Parents were screaming louder, demanding,, COME HERE! I thought I should give up, walk outside the fence and go to get my punishment, but I didn't want to get punished. So I walked to them from the inside, with this look of, "Yeah? What? I'm very busy." As I was walking, I saw a glint in a tall bush. Something shiney. So I walked closer and WHOA,, THE Golden Egg. I found THE Golden Egg. I picked it out of the Bush and my parents were now getting hoarse from screaming at me, so I ran up to them, "Look what I found".

THE GOLDEN EGG THE GOLDEN EGG they chanted, and I ran with that egg to the big Bunny man, and he announced that "We have a winner!" And I collected the biggest Easter basket in my life. It was too big for me to carry. If was full of candy and stuffed toys, and all kinds of stuff. And my parents were the perfect parents, so proud. We went home and they told me to share the contents of the basket with everyone, so there were a lot of kids who came and took candy and toys from it, before I was even aware what was missing it was gone. But that seems to be a theme in my life... like I'm always missing the boat or seeing the broken eggs, and then.. there's that glint, or silver lining, or spark.. and that's how I feel about Ron Paul... he's that golden egg at this time in my life and I'm sharing him with all these kids, who take thing before I even know what he's all about. It's a happy story. Thanks for being one of my favorite kids to share my egg with (((( Nonna))))))

That story touched my heart too :-)

I have also been trying to show you a golden egg, one that is located in CA. But this egg will soon evaporate. Time is of the essence.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul


Get your butt on a central committee and you'll see the golden egg!

(((((((((( ProudAmericanFirst)))))))))))))))

The time for laughter and drinks will come.

You are too preoccupied with my committee. We are doing what is necessary.

This is the priority that you should be concerned about, if you would just get off of your high-horse and stop letting your seat go to your head:


"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

What is your committee?

I find truth funny.

I really don't get the concept of you, or anyone, telling me what I should do. I don't tell you what you should do. Ron Paul doesn't tell anyone what they should do. So what's with this telling me what I should do? Why not concern yourself what you should do?

You see, you and me are not going to agree what should be done. I think what Ron Paul says needs to be done is what I should do. Of course you dissagree and have no interest in doing what Ron Paul asked all of us to do. You have your own plan/agenda.

Ron Paul and I have both invited you to take a seat on your committee. You refuse. You seem to think standing on a soapbox and promoting Ron Paul to the imagined masses is a doing something. That's leadership to you? I think it's fluff and puff, but if you enjoy that, and it gives you a feeling of purpose and accomplishment, by golly, have at it. GOOD LUCK.

As for this insulting me, with "high-horse" comments, that to me is really too bad, because, first, you aren't going to talk me, or knock me, down. You only talk and knock yourself down, by admitting, you look up to me, even if it's with negative energy. I did what Ron Paul asked ALL of us to do, and instead of joining us, you think being a dictator and telling me I should forget what Ron paul asked ALL of us to do, forget inviting you ior anyone to join a committee, and become Ron Paul talker not walker, like you. What a shame. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rDjxQkzDSA&feature=related

As always, your stories touch my heart.

You have a great gift for conveying a message in such a moving and seemingly unrelated way, that the message come through loud and clear. I must say that I do admire you for your strength, courage, humility, drive and insight, just to mention a few among many other reasons. You are an amazing soul, a golden egg, and I am happy that I have had the opportunity to communicate with and learn from you.

In reply to another comment you made about Dr. Paul and this campaign season, I agree with you. I have had that same thought for quite a while and it isn't blind optimism or idol worship. I can't help but feel there is a hot spark getting ready to blast out into an open flame. Too many strange things going on and coming out of the campaign; the 180 degree shift with the content and comments on DP; and too much overkill from the GOP elites lead me to believe something big is going on behind the scenes. Maybe it's the child still living inside this grandmother, but I can't help but believe it's something good. I don't mean to imply anthing beyond what I wrote. It's just one of those intangible feelings. I know from your other comments that you understand this.

Thank you for sharing your story. It will stay with me and I know I will use it to teach my grandchildren and others who come to me for help and advice. That is, after all, what "stregga nonnas" are for.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Yes, and soup for the soul

Many people have heard of gumbo, but they have never heard of Green Gumbo. Some folks think it was originally a Voo Doo recipe and the original Gumbo, comming from the kitchens of the local /witchdoctor: http://www.deepsouthdish.com/2011/04/green-gumbo-gumbo-zherb...

Nothing like a good bowl of soup when giving advice for the soul.

God Bless You Stregga Nona!

Very much in line with I Libertine,

there are many receipes handed downfrom generations less fortunate. Dishes my stregga nonna used to cook up during the Great Depression with the scraps and whatever she could grow in her yard, are what the fine restaurants now charge megabucks for and it is considered gourmet food! Like I Libertine, people actually think they've discovered something fabulous and just have to tell everyone how superior their tastes are. LOL

Sure sounds like I would enjoy a nice dish of Green Gumbo as much as I love escarole and beans. Just need to have the proper Cajun fiddle music in the background performed by the master while I'm cooking it: http://youtu.be/iczcxk9cNC0 and, of course, the right mood music while fine dining: http://youtu.be/uRh9jqNLzWM

Always have to have the correct music on when working in the kitchen and eating meals at the table. (I Libertine, Chapter 3)

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Now that's something I never heard before...

Cajun Conga! I kept seeing Desi Arnaz cooking arroz con pollo in the kitchen!

It was a real treat for a musicologist to hear that version! And here I thought I'd heard it all. Just goes to show there's a lot more types of music out there to be explored.

Thanks, Granger.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

A Truly Great Story

..and still told through "the eyes of a child": priceless....

I can identify with much of it, for reasons I won't get into here, but thank you for putting a "touch" of humanity on this thread, on this website.

And Nonna? It was my pleasure...might change my screen-name...Frederick Ewing?...aww shucks....that would be foolish. LOL!

p.s. Fonta is still around, for now at least.
The movie known as "the Daily Paul" is coming to a close.
I will miss much of this, yet have fond memories, and hopefully
a couple of good laughs in the times to come.

Be Well.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

You know, there are some

unscrupulous people who have more than one screen name here. Not saying you're one of them, Danton... but, if I do see a Frederick Ewing, I'll know how to respond! ;>

Hope we will stick around here together, despite the turmoil. I hate losing friends for no good reason. I can appreciate your not wanting to post anything personal about yourself. I am the same way but, you are bolder than I, and The Granger is downright fearless! You, at least, listed your name and a photo! Heck, I won't even give out my email address! Paranoia or living in the NYC metro area and having seen way more than I cared to? Either way, I ain't doin' it. Anyway, The Granger does have my email address and if you would like to have it, you need only ask. See...? It's not actual, fullblown paranoia. I enjoy your tidbits from back in the day and would certainly miss that, should you suddenly take the exodus express.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Granger: You're Killin' Me

With Laughter! LMAO!
Did you hear about "I Libertine" at your monthly bridge club?
I understand it's printed by "Excelsior Press", which is a subsidiary of "Cambridge University Imprint", quite a notable "affiliation!

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

What a riot! Can't stop laughing!

I never heard the story of "I Libertine" and I can't thank you enought for the great laugh!

Your analogy to what is happening here now is beautiful.... These people's posts are truly are laughable! Just as pathetic as "I Libertine".

I read other comments you've made today on other threads and I agree with you. The dumbing down has to stop. This divide and conquer thing going on is becoming less and less transparent to too many. I think I'm going to use "I Libertine" in some of my replies.

You made my day, Danton!

Edit: Hey, Danton! It didn't take long... http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2656947

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Got Yer Back Nonna!

That thread was full of L4-wannabes anyway! LOL!

"conflict is good": rattle some cages! Haha!

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Appreciate that, Danton.

I'm not good until after the first cup of hot coffee, at the very least. It was a legitmate question. The morning brain fog hadn't lifted,so I wasn't sure the OP was as dumb as it seemed to be. By the middle of the second hot cup, I had my answer. Just had to rub it in with the third cup.

Thanks for the I Libertine line! I've used it a couple of times today and The Granger played along, too. LOL

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox