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Should Jews vote for Ron Paul? Rabbi says no.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fLtLzan85E

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I happen to be Jewish and do not agree with many things in the religion. This would be my top dislike. If I want advice on whether GMO's are kosher I'll ask a rabbi. It's not his place to give political advice or sway elections.

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i don't

see people in groups. If an individual decides to support Dr Paul and the liberty message, great. If not, great. Trying to cater to groups is dangerous. Freedom is the answer.

found it!!! :)

http://settlersofsamaria.org/2011/12/29/vote-ron-paul-free-i...

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Thank you

Have Book marked so i can read the entire article and comments...

BAZZA MAC

you are welcome--

:)

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Thank you so much for that beautiful article from Israel.

The author did a good job capturing the spirit that is the movement. His words explain why it transcends political party, age, race, or country - and our feeling of being united despite our various differences of opinion. "The reason that Ron Paul never goes down in the polls is that he’s not “convincing” people in the everyday sense that he’s right on whatever issue. He’s activating human souls, lighting spiritual fires one by one speaking about freedom. Once a soul gets activated, and the man realizes that he IS free no matter what people do to him or tell him, there is no turning back."

Someone who regards me as "conservative" suggested I check out Michael Savage, which I did last night. Curious how he felt about RP, I listened to the program that came up on my search. His loathing of RP was sickening. Along with a name I won't repeat, he called him "Dr. Mengele." So there are Jews who loathe Ron Paul and Jews who are devoted to him - for the same reasons: his non-interventionist foreign policy, his devotion to his country (and understanding that others are devoted to theirs), his consistency, and his lack of desire for power and control, esteeming individual freedom.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

you are welcome--

many in my Christian faith community simply laugh at Ron Paul; they are devoted to those who push war. :(

What this tells me (the blog from the young man in Israel) is that our MSM is far from accurate about reporting the opinions, beliefs, and circumstances of many in the world--

the computer is a great blessing to understanding what is REALLY going on!

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Re "Jews for Ron Paul"

As you likely already know, but what I wanted to point out to others, is that there a few more interesting articles at that blog site with reasons to support Ron Paul. I found particularly interesting "Why most Ron Paul supporters are wrong about Iran, and why I don’t care." And I hear you about those who are devoted to push war - among Christians. Yes, it's sad.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

American, Sovereignty or Puppet?

the youtubes Najam posts below . . .

by a Jewish scholar . . . would point to the idea that all three religions have been hijacked/sabotaged by people with divisive agendas.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I think you might be more benefited by . . .

reading the blog of "Israelis for Ron Paul"--

the blog owner posted on DP a few months ago; very impressive person/writing--

I'll look for it:

(but I'm not that computer literate)

I couldn't find it under 'search'--

But apparently there is a Ron Paul group in Israel, and a young man there keeps a blog for it. He came on here during a really quiet time, and I'm not sure many people saw it; I bumped it several times--

Lew Rockwell invited Jews to join a Ron Paul group; that is easily found under 'search'--

good luck--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Fill in the blank space.

Cirocco, can you type in the text, please - thanks, listen carefully = from 10:20 to 28,
"you cant do that _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _says _ _ _ you have to take a position - you have to get involved".

Is that supposed to be your

Is that supposed to be your version of wit?

No, but seeking your Wit-ness.

I simply sent a request, because I am not sure what /which word is used, that is why I left it blank, seeking confirmation, for removal of doubt. To be frank, it sounds familiar (or should I say similar to - - -), but I am not sure.

to wit add ness, i.e. witness, = I will ask you again = what did you witness? If you type it we can see /read the transliteration /transcript. It is a matter of hearing 2-3 seconds of the video, that is all. It will be very helpful if you grant this request.

Meantime I will search for a video that addresses this subject, and share with you. I had seen it over a year ago.

Read my original comment or

Read my original comment or don't bother posting on this thread.

you really don't 'get' . . .

Najam, and that is sad. There are people posting on here who really want to help you.

There is no hostility or threat in what is being said.

I hope you'll take the time to look at some of these links/resources/youtubes.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

thought so--

Hi, Najam--

I heard "torah" (the second word), but the first one went by too quickly--and I don't speak Hebrew (or any middle eastern language)--

I'd like to know, too.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

The Word - in Arabic, Hebrew and Aramaic, by a Jewish Sc

here is another video I just found,
The Word _Allah_ - in Arabic, Hebrew and Aramaic, by a Jewish Scholar -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYROeBmTBbw

Hebrew speaking Jew says Allah is (g-d?),
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqHdVhVGwK8
this is the one I saw last year.

and many related videos around this one =
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCOynC1xPAs

And again your comment has

And again your comment has nothing to do with what I stated in the original post.

re: Cirocco and Najam--

Najam, I don't think Cirocco understands you.

Cirocco, I have gotten the idea in my time on DP that Najam is a religious scholar of some kind, and I always appreciate what he has to say. I studied religion myself several decades ago, and I enjoyed studying other religions than Christianity (I happen to be a Christian) and am still fascinated with them. Would study them more if I didn't have to spend so much time working! Maybe what I, an American Christian, has to say won't matter, but I have Jewish relatives and Muslim friends, so I think that I have some validity in what I have to say--

For some reason I always understand Najam, but maybe it is because I assume from the things he says that he tries to find commonalities between the world religions, rather than differences. And that is something I have always worked at doing.

In very simplistic terms, Najam would be a creative, not a destructive, speaker--

a peaceable person. I am pro-peace myself, so perhaps that is why I always appreciate what he says and apparently find his words easy to understand.

It made sense to me.

I am not as particular as I should be about the use of words and the meanings of words, but Najam is very careful about them--(and I should be; I have done a fair amount of writing in my life, some even published, but I will say no more about that)--

and I believe he is trying to point out, but I could be wrong, that the men in the youtube you posted originally are using divisive and non-peaceable methods in their reasoning, whereas there are other Jews (scholars) who use unifying and peace-promoting methods in their reasoning. In other words, there are many Jews, well-educated Jews, to whom you could listen who would definitely NOT tell you not to vote for Ron Paul!

How far off am I, Najam?

I spend TOO much time on DP trying to get others to understand myself, and when I sense that someone doesn't understand someone who is usually easily understood by me, there I go--

:)

But to carry this farther, one of the things I appreciate most about Ron Paul, besides his very just foreign policy . . . is that he is a peaceable man who believes in unifying others and has no agenda against any religion that is not his own. He brings people together!

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Religions & Peace.

1988vote, thank you for encouraging post, feel very appreciated :)
you have good writing abilities - so I have a request, write about the two instances of "no defense" mentioned in the Bible. =
1) When Abel said "I will Not lift my hand against you".
2) The Maseah said "turn the other cheek".

Both are recorded in Scriptures, 1st is from OT, 2nd is from NT. Frankly & personally I find it difficult to follow them. After saying the words I could step back, or even flee, but not lend myself to injury /or pain.

Surely there are times when Goliath needs to be knocked down. But these are not those times, because the demons are looking for an excuse to burn the whole world with nuclear weapons. Some say they only want a little depopulation - but when MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) is turned on there is little hope for every one.
Therefore we have to hold fast to our sanity and remain SANE =(Society Against Nuclear Explosives).
This should be an important part of the freedom movement, the freedom from threat & fear of nuclear annihilation. I am surprised it has never been taken up on DP.
Think about it, even open a thread, seek comments on DP.
thank you again, & best wishes.

that's a 'tall order'--LOL!

I will think about it, but I'm not THAT good of a writer--

:)

Yes, it is hard to resist, which is why it is so important to do. I, personally, have a really hard time not feeling anger whenever I see or hear the name, "Mitt Romney" or see his face, and that shows that I have much growing yet to do.

And you are correct, since hearing about/reading about what happened in Japan 16 months ago I, too, have a real concern about nuclear war.

:(

Oh, and you are welcome; I always read your comments.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I understand that Najam wants

I understand that Najam wants to debate the relative merits of religions and that wasn't the reason for my post. I don't honestly care what anyone believes as long as it's something greater than themselves. The point was that it's not within a religious leader's pervue to preach politics or urge people to vote or not vote for a specific candidate.

Islam and Judaism aren't that far apart and the Quran doesn't teach hate. I absolutely understand that if someone does harm to you it's your right to harm them back even if I don't agree with the specific methods. You have halal. We have kosher. More or less the same technique except that you say the name of Allah and we have our own blessing. Our ancestors were brothers. I have no issue with you or any Muslim as far as your beliefs are concerned.

Salaam,

Shalom :)

thanks for this post.

maybe Najam is sincerely asking--

I couldn't understand. I heard 'torah', but that is confusing to me, because I know that most "Torah Jews" are against Zionism.

This is very confusing, and maybe I'm not the only one who is confused?

If Najam is being witty, I don't know it--

didn't think that was his/her style--

But, now that I'm speaking directly to you, I DO understand. There are people (even of 'authority') in my religion who put pressure on those who don't think for themselves to take a particular political stance that I don't agree with.

It's hurtful to feel separated from your faith community in this way, and there are many on DP of all religions who understand how you feel--

This 'guy' doesn't 'seem' like a rabbi, but maybe the one on the left is--

I don't know; the rabbis I've known are more . . . well, for lack of a better word, dignified.

More scholarly--

as a sort of postscript, it sounds as though this person (on the youtube, the guy on the right) is as misinformed about Paul's principles/values/political ideas as the Carlson guy in Minnesota--

!

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

1988vote, here is a He (]:)>

thank you for you attention. The person in the video does not appear to be a fool, - it may seem he is too demanding re security & help, but he presents his case convincingly, or should I say passionately & the reasons for it. My post above was posted just 2 seconds after yours, we were typing at the same time.

Any one but Paul

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BAZZA MAC

If you are a Christian being killed in Egypt

who cares right? Christians didn't invent anything that great compared to Jews so they should be fried. As long as Israel gets her coveted international immunities everything is fine right?

Sorry, voting for Ron Paul is not equivalent to being FOR Hitler. That is a great logical fallacy. My head is spinning.

Israel is generating enough hate due to her reckless foreign policy that endangers the lives of not just Arabs but herself as well.

Guess the rest of the world is chattel. I mourn for my Christian brothers in Syria, Libya, Egypt, and Iraq. They are all dying for what? I am really sad after watching this video. Such hypocrisy.

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Many people mistake the idea of allowing Israel to be the...

...master of her own fate with anti-semitism.

But Israel itself has admitted that she would be better off if the United States were to end foreign aid to them AND to all her foreign enemies.

As Dr. Paul points out, we give Israel over 3 billion a year but we give her enemies FOUR times that amount each year.

And plenty of that foreign aid money goes to fund terrorism against Israel herself.

On top of that, the U.S. doesn't allow Israel to make any major defensive decisions without our approval.

It's ridiculous and it usurps Israel's national sovereignty.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

So, everyone with side curls is a rabbi?

This person drops the F-bomb every other sentence. The F-bomb coupled with his arrogance and ignorance made it unbearable to finish watching the video.

Original Zionism seeks ONLY the INDEPENDENCE OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL. All that Ron Paul wants is for U.S. to stop deciding or influencing Israel's decisions. His voting record proves it and his speeches prove it. Everyone who truly support Israel would like to see the nation of Israel caring for herself, NOT consulting with her bigger brother on what to do when it is time to DEFEND herself.

This individual is utterly confused and overflowing with what appears to be hatred. Sad for him.