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New fossil skull from Africa reveals tangled roots at base of the human family tree

New fossil skull from Africa reveals tangled roots at base of the human family tree

By Brian Vastag, Wednesday, August 8, 10:39 AM

A two million-year-old flat-faced skull pulled from the sandstones of east Africa has shored up claims that at least three species of early humans once co-existed in an “evolutionary experiment” that saw an explosive increase in brain size paired with radically different faces, teeth, and jaws.

While the new partial skull and two newly found jawbones look radically different from modern humans, they match an enigmatic, nearly complete skull found 40 years ago that paleoanthropologists have long struggled to fit into the human family tree.

Together, the new finds and the puzzling skull describe a species of early humans clearly distinct from two others known from fossils from the same period, said Meave Leakey, the 70-year-old paleoanthropologist who led the team that discovered the fossils.

The “base of the human lineage was indeed diverse,” Leakey said from her longtime home at the Turkana Basin Institute in northern Kenya. Her colleagues made the finds near there.

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That looks like a rock.

I need real pics of the skull before I interject my theory which includes likely cross-breeding.

Bump for intellectual discussion


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Creation theory still works from what I see here - no transitional fossils, but tons of government-funded IMAGINATION - sure as heck NO EVIDENCE that man, language, speech evolved from the grunts and groans of animals either ... let me poison the well in the SAME MANNER by re-posting this handy video for the BENEFIT of others, that makes a darn good COMMON SENSE case that human speech DID NOT evolve ...

If you are gonna be a creation-denying evolutionist; you have to BELIEVE in ALL of it - no cherry picking ...


Just like our

language never evolved from Latin or has English always existed. Or the fact that Latin itself evolved from am earlier language. Oh and the case that people use different speech today than they did 50 years ago. Let me say just one thing as a Scientist the word "Theory" in science means that it is proven and has been tested. The hypothesis is the part that is yet to be or is being tested. I believe that there is a higher power in the Universe and that this "God", if you will, is not bias or judgmental. I'm sorry but I strongly believe that if there is a God that loves us and cares for us then not one person would be homeless or starving, or MURDERED in God's name. The bible that too many people believe is God's word was written by a man long after the death of Jesus. I am a baptized Roman Catholic and I was 7 when I was baptized so I remember what I had to do to be baptized. The book of Genesis roughly outlines the history of evolution over the 4.3 billion years of life on this planet. If that doesn't do it for you and you just can't reject the notion God made it all, then listen to this. If a God created everything and made humans to be intelligent, then he would of known that eventually humans would be intelligent enough to discover the history of the planet and Universe, and he would have made it so that it would agree with REASON, and COMMON SENSE. There is no reason nor common sense with religion because all religion tells you how to live, what you can and cannot do, just like a totalitarian government.

Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our Liberty. -Thomas Jefferson

we atheists just got OWNed

I was watching Penn and Teller Bullshit episodes on Youtube and stumbled upon this video that made me laugh. Since this irrelevant thread is still trending I decided to share with you.

The title is: we atheists just got OWNed



For the record, I'm not Christian nor do I believe in creationism. I do believe in Intelligant Design and that the theory of evolution fits perfectly with my concept of God. I've read a bit into Buddhist scripture that I think applies.

Buddha was tight-lipped when asked about the universe and how it came about. His teaching was that mankind is filled with suffering and the cure was understanding the source of that suffering and developing loving-kindness to create peace of mind (this is, of course, a massive over simplification). So when asked about the origins of the universe, Buddha asked "Does the man who has been shot with a poison dart refuse treatment only asking 'Where did the dart come from? What was the source?'" What matters is the present moment and how we deal with what we have now.

Educational pursuits are important to our understanding of the universe but we shouldn't use it as a tool for division of mankind. More important than any discussion here about the past is what we're going to do about the present and future.

Also I don't

believe that one war was fought in Buddha's name, however I could be wrong because I don't know much about Eastern history.

Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our Liberty. -Thomas Jefferson

You are very correct

There has never been a war fought in the name of buddha

It depends on whether you

It depends on whether you believe the academic story of Ashoka the great. Considering the propensity Buddhists have to convert others, I could imagine them converting others at the point of a sword.

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The base of the human race

is Santorum and his AIPAC friends.

Hey GOP, where's my vote?

1 Corinthians 2:9 Hebrews 12:21

1 Corinthians 2:9

"No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him"--

When Moses got a glimpse of the Living God the Bible says “so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, “I am full of fear and trembling” (Hebrews 12:21).

"Who knows what's going to happen tomorrow?"

"Who knows what's going to happen tomorrow?"

"Have you ever been afraid of the unknown?"

See, I just said the same thing, but for today's audience.

I Am Fearful of Gods Wrath...He Will Administer Justice To All

Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom


why has so many people gotten away with genocide and murder?

Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our Liberty. -Thomas Jefferson

"Knowledge is the beginning of the end of fear."

"Knowledge is the beginning of the end of fear." —Velveeta Underground

Background: open minded to

Background: open minded to both ideas.

Question: I do not understand and I apologize if this is elementary to the self proclaimed experts on this topic but could someone please answer this.

If evolution were factual as described by evolutionists, during our evolution from whatever we came from to this point, why are we all not 6'5" 250 lbs., strong as apes, fast, and have perfect vision to boot. You'd think natural selection would have made this possible because there are people like that are alive today and the ones who weren't that way back then would have died out by natural selection and good genes would be passed down. Also, how in the hell did someone like myself 5'9" 160 lbs and cannot outrun a lion survive without tools or a means to kill other animals or protection from them survive?


our brains

I don't profess to be a "self-proclaimed expert" on this topic, but imo if you can survive on brain power, i.e tools, shelter, more efficient ways of getting food etc, etc. Then you don't HAVE to be huge and strong as an ape or super fast to survive. I think humans have slowly gotten weaker over time because we no longer need to be crazy/buff hunter savages, we rely on technology.

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What if being 6'5 250lbs was

What if being 6'5 250lbs was not a good trait? Speaking as someone who is 6'5 235lbs it takes a lot of fuel for someone my size. Great in times of plenty... but in times of famine maybe not the best trait. Maybe someone doesn't have to outrun a lion just outrun the guy next to him.

*ding*You only require being


You only require being 6'5" 250lbs when you have to wrestle your food to death.

Put a guy with those proportions whose best weapon is a club against a small wirey man who has the wit to sharpen a stick into a long spear, and fabricate a shield and smart money is on the small guy. Smaller size, requires less food, less energy to move so can travel greater distances (early humans used to literally run down 4 legged animals into exhaustion after miles upon miles and kill them when they were too tired to run anymore). Overall, smaller, leaner humans are more efficient and thus the natural selection of evolution in most cases.

The more we learn to survive off our brains, the less need we have for brute force and natural weapons.

I imagine some day, in a few million years we'll look like little people with large heads and eyes. Maybe we'll even figure out how to time travel so we can come back in time and check ourselves out as we used to be.

Although us larger folks

Although us larger folks could always capture, kill and eat the smaller folks in lean times. ; P

"Them little people is gooooooooood eatin'."

Little people with large

Little people with large heads and eyes?
Perhaps we've already come to check things out from the future.



I'd like to see anyone explain how these animals "evolved" Interesting how they are not part of any pro-evolutionary writings. I could be wrong but i'd like to see some constructive criticism rather than the usual "my mind is made up don't concern me with the facts" sophistry.

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God pointed his finger

and POOF, they were just there? Pointing behind his back all "stylish" let there be LIGHT! poof, light. "saturn! Mars! Venus! Poof! Poof! I can see it now, wearing aviators while doing it

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We are appetite motivated creatures.

I have watched a lot of people they all are motivated by self interest.

Is it possible to supersede the natural appetites? Is the supernatural possible?

Are we doomed to be a slave of our appetites?

Or are our appetites tools to serve impossible supernatural ends?

Who creates the challenge of liberty in the hearts of men? Poof!

Free includes debt-free!

you remind me of....

A bizaro DR Zaius! so what do EVOLUTIONARY'S worship? an aluminum pole? In the former USSR they had a thing called "the 10 planks of communism" one of the planks is killing belief in god! ever read that, comrade? check back with me in a million years after your criticism "evolves" into constructivity!


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It was just a light jab at the whole debate, lighten up man. And to equate me to Communists because I don't hold the same beliefs of you? You're starting to sound a little anti-freedom yourself there bud. Jeebus.

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I can explain how all those animals evolved in that video

but first I want you to explain to me how you think they were created? How does this creator you speak of create things? How can I find evidence of this creator?

I see natural selection everyday in every living thing. I see no creationists debating micro evolution(because they can't because it's obvious - it's testable and repeatable). So micro evolution exists, does micro creation exist? What part of the creation theory is testable or repeatable?

That 47min video is painful to watch. Constant biological and scientific ignorance. The whole video is basically a moron saying 'well gee wiz this is so complex, and I can't explain it, so there must be a creator!'. So many logical fallacies.


I don't know how they were created honestly. the greeks invented the unmoved-mover concept. they thought some action or force in motion created the universe. whatever The cause of it, that thing, event or diety is referred to as God. Don't know how you can find the designer. Neither theory is as of yet provable so both are issues of blind faith.

...so what you are saying is that you CAN explain how these animals
were evolved. I see mathmatical perfection everyday. It's abundance is astonishing. so many random elements mindlessly creating such mathmatical precision? sorry, but the "this JUST HAPPEND to happen" explanation is a greater leap of faith than mine.

I'd still like to see your promised explanation. thanks for your response.

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Since nothing you said showed

Since nothing you said showed any evidence how your so called creator could create anything seems strange you would believe it. You believe it because someone says so? You believe it because 'the only other option means we came from rocks' and that scares you?

And yes I could definitely do a better job of explaining the evolution of all those animals far better than you could give an explanation of how a creator created them. But I won't because it'd take too much of my time teaching a complete ignorant about biology. Anybody that jumps to the conclusion that 'God did it' when ever they come across something they can't explain probably doesn't really want to learn anyways.

"I see mathmatical perfection everyday. It's abundance is astonishing. so many random elements mindlessly creating such mathmatical precision? sorry, but the "this JUST HAPPEND to happen" explanation is a greater leap of faith than mine"

Can you please explain what this even means?