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New fossil skull from Africa reveals tangled roots at base of the human family tree

New fossil skull from Africa reveals tangled roots at base of the human family tree

By Brian Vastag, Wednesday, August 8, 10:39 AM

A two million-year-old flat-faced skull pulled from the sandstones of east Africa has shored up claims that at least three species of early humans once co-existed in an “evolutionary experiment” that saw an explosive increase in brain size paired with radically different faces, teeth, and jaws.

While the new partial skull and two newly found jawbones look radically different from modern humans, they match an enigmatic, nearly complete skull found 40 years ago that paleoanthropologists have long struggled to fit into the human family tree.

Together, the new finds and the puzzling skull describe a species of early humans clearly distinct from two others known from fossils from the same period, said Meave Leakey, the 70-year-old paleoanthropologist who led the team that discovered the fossils.

The “base of the human lineage was indeed diverse,” Leakey said from her longtime home at the Turkana Basin Institute in northern Kenya. Her colleagues made the finds near there.

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And you believe that this human mind evolved?

There is very little to disagree with in what you have said (apart from your denial of a supernatural first cause and your assignment of most causation to reproductive and survival instincts) but I must say it puzzles me that you can hold these truths about the human mind that are self evident to any thinking person (admittedly not a majority) and yet still believe it all just evolved from inanimate chemicals over great aeons of time.

What you are displaying in your post above is an uncritical worship of the creation and the creature (self or mammon) rather than the Creator. This is an ancient and ubiquitous habit that is just as prevalent today as it was in those cultures now long gone that we think of as primitive but in many respects were superior in their abilities to our own.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Yes, natural selection and

Yes, natural selection and the evolutionary process is evident in every living thing.

That's "your" rationality...

My conclusions are also derived from rational thinking...

The very core of what you claim insists that there was no "reasoning" to our existence - yet you demand "reasoning" in explaining the event. Now don't go claiming that dna "reasons" as it develops - it does not - it simply occurs as designed by nature. Man "reasons" - animals and plants do not. That concept is explained in the creation.
Therefore, if reasoning is to guide us - then REASONING must be the building stone from the beginning - long before "WE" created it.
Claiming that "man" arose from a random process and then invented "reasoning and logic" is the most arrogant claim I have ever heard - to date.

Isaiah 1:18 - "Come let us reason together"...
The Bible is a detailed,complex book of great depth - it is not a light reading emotional fiction as proclaimed by some. Everyone has great difficulty interpreting or even comprehending the message within - and NO - it is not due to contradictions or untruths - it due to people's inability to comprehend the massive ideas expressed from beginning to end - from Genesis to Revelation - people who as a result never actually read the book in it's entirety, yet throw the book down proclaiming it to be "non-sense".

Actually, the basic difference is that some people trust and depend on "humans" - while others believe in a reasoning power beyond human control.
Using "reasoning" - I don't put much faith in "mankind".
His arrogant attitude and basic self-centered desires will destroy the very earth on which he lives - also predicted in the Bible.
If you are trusting man to "save" you through such brilliant accomplishments as dna tampering, gmf's, weather modification, vaccinations, medical breakthroughs, nuclear power, war, identifying bones, going to mars, TSA, the UN, (all using your tax monies) etc., etc.- you are in for a rude awakening. People can't even recognize a great man like Ron Paul - and you are trusting in these people????

Wait, YOU won't be around - Science is for the generations developing through the next million years (assuming man doesn't self destruct). I forgot.
In which case, - you and I are nothing, mean nothing, control nothing, and will become nothing. Who gives a flip what we think.
And you accuse me of not using logic and reasoning?
Go away.

Any driving purpose one finds in

Any driving purpose one finds in the course of their life is an illusion, but one that enables one to continue to find the will to live. A life of examination and questioning reveals the invented world we surround ourselves with. Deep thought reveals senselessness, creates disenchantment and exposes the lack of purpose beyond life itself and the lives of our offspring. This is why most individuals do not seek or experience deep self-reflective thoughts... they don't provide comfort to a restless mind.

Wow, deep thought man.

Meditate on "nothingness" often?
"He's a real nowhere man,
Sitting in his Nowhere Land,
Making all his nowhere plans
for nobody."

As I stated earlier, by your logic, we come from nothing, are nothing, mean nothing, and will become nothing. So, again ...who cares what YOU think - your words are totally irrelevant.

What you say is true when one is looking into the abyss.

This is also something Sartre talked about in his book Nausea. So you were demonstrating an existentialist streak as I surmised. Of course this is what we do find when we think deeply and question everything. Apart from the Spirit of God that is all there is to the shadow life of men...meaningless and futility. And that is the way God intended it to be.

This is clearly revealed in the scriptures and what you are saying agrees with what God has revealed in His message to mankind. There is a darkness in the heart of man and apart from God we can enter that darkness and teeter on the very brink of the abyss. It is an awful experience but that is the nature if the physical material earth realm in which we now live. It has been condemned to death for our disobedience.

As you have correctly observed most people will escape that abyss into all kinds of endeavours to shut it out but it awaits us all since it is the grave, the very death in the centre of our life of shadow. This is why the scripture says that "God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son that whosoever believes into Him should not PERISH but have age-during LIFE." He came to save us from the abyss from the grave and the death that is the wages of sin.

So you are seeing the problem very clearly. Now I pray that you will see the solution that God has provided for you.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

The Bible offers meaning to

The Bible offers meaning to those looking for meaning. For others, real life has no "story arc". Life is just life.

Others ?????

Who exactly is "others"? The Muslims? the Hindus? the Buddhist? The Jews?
Are you actually under the impression that only Bible readers are looking for meaning in life? LOL
Perhaps you need to check out what categories people of the world fall into before you make such broad, incorrect statements.

Much of our problem is lack of experience.

And 84 year old cleric laughs as he tells me of things he read many times before but he didn't understand because he didn't even understand his own human nature.

Free includes debt-free!

So true

One never stops discovering new ideas and making connections as they read and study...and life's experiences only enriches the learning processes.

Beautifully said, David.

God is God, what you refer to as the Source of Life. It really doesn't matter whether the theory of evolution is true or not. (And for the scientific minded, I DO know the definition of "scientific theory" as opposed to the common meaning of "theory" and it still doesn't confirm anything one way or the other.)

Is the creation story in the Bible expressing the truth or is the theory of evolution correct? NOBODY KNOWS AND I DON'T CARE. IT DOESN'T MATTER. Wanting it to be one way, whichever way, doesn't make it so. It is whatever it is and all the stubborness in the world about it isn't going to change it.

God is the Source of all. The bottom line is that to deny the existence of God by virtue of the theory evolution is akin to taking all the letters in the alphabet, multiplied by many times, throwing them up in the air and expecting them to land as Webters Dictionary. There has to be a First Cause! Call it what you will, but it is God.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

The idea of evolution is a strong delusion.

For the record I used to believe in evolution before God apprehended me for His purposes. In fact one of the influences used by our Father to drag me into His Kingdom were the writings of a Jesuit priest and palaeontologist Pierre Teilhard de Chardin in his books The Phenomenon of Man and The Future of Man.

The basis of my belief in evolution was simply the authority of the scientific community the majority of whom appeared to be solidly committed to the theory. I took it for granted that 150 years of scientific research could not possibly be wrong. Probably most of the people who believe in evolution do so on the same grounds, the authority of science, rather than any truly in depth knowledge of the subject. Of course they will defend their belief vigorously and trot out all kinds of "facts" which may or may not be substantiated, but the cornerstone will nevertheless be their belief in the authority of science.

It wasn't long after my conversion that this conflict arose and I had to determine for myself the truth of the matter. The source of my information to establish the truth was the word of God in the scriptures we call the Bible. The reason for using this source was that it is for me the highest authority in establishing the truth of any matter. This of course should be true of any Christian and since I have concluded that you are such Nonna that is the source of authority that I will point you to.

In the very first chapter of Genesis it is quite apparent that the Spirit is meticulous in refuting the very essence of evolution point by point. In other words He knew this controversy would arise, indeed He created it, so He made it clear to those who rely upon Him that it is completely false.

Even after absorbing everything He says in that chapter with regard to evolution the intense opposition from my carnal intellect still refused to budge on the question of time. On this point it was difficult for me to believe that He had created the heavens and the earth in just six days since we "know" that there are galaxies of billions of stars that are many billions of light years distant from earth. In asking for an answer to this difficulty the Holy Spirit clearly said to me "I am the Master of Time".

While I am no mathematician it did come to mind in a kind of flash that since time is relative and since we measure it with the yardstick of light it was likely that what we measure today is not necessarily what was in existence at the time of the creation of all things. This was the meaning to me of the announcement by the Spirit at that moment and it cleared up any last doubts I had. Since then I have received greater revelation on that subject that confirms what the Spirit said at that time.

It is important to remember that the scriptures are spiritual in nature i.e. they are addressed to the spirit of the reader under the influence of the Holy Spirit. When men read the scriptures with their carnal mind and understanding the same word will mean different things to different men depending upon the presuppositions with which they come to the Word of God. Men who read the Word with their spiritual mind under the influence of the Holy Spirit will always agree or come to agreement on every subject. If they do not it simply means that the source of their understanding is their carnal intellect and not their spiritual mind.

One of the central arguments in scripture against evolution is the question of death. Evolution is entirely concerned with death. The central plank of the theory is the fossil record. This should perhaps give us a clue to the source and destiny of their research. In chapter 5 verse 12 of Romans the apostle Paul writes: "So then, just as sin entered the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all people on which all sinned.."

The word for world in Greek is Kosmos the Greek word for the whole system of things, the universe. So the apostle is telling us that death entered the universe when our first parents disconnected us from the Source of Life and we all fell into darkness.

There is much more to all of this but that should suffice to give you an idea of my own view of these things.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

We are pretty much in agreement, David.

I never believed in the evolution theory but, I allow for the possibility (as opposed to the probability) that I could be wrong about it. In the end, it doesn't matter to me because either way, God is the First Cause.

To read the Books of the Old Testament literally, without an understanding of the semetic styles of writing (such as midrash) will lead to some strange notions. And yes, I fully agree with you that all sacred Scripture must be read with the "spiritual mind". That is why while I do not believe in the Theory of Evolution, it doesn't really matter to me in the end. God is God.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Don't you ever wonder why

Don't you ever wonder why none dare call it Creation Theory?

Many do call it Creation Theory.

This is something I have heard many Christians say. Theory is a word derived from the Greek word theoria meaning contemplating. In the faith community of Christianity the fact of creation by the Creator God is accepted doctrine. Creation itself is a revelation given to us by the Holy Spirit through the word of God and is self evidenced by the creation itself to the attentive reason of man.

The word theory can have more than one meaning and emphasis including principle and doctrine. In that sense there is no reason why anyone would object to calling creation a theory. In opposition to it is the theory of evolution that has also been given to man by God in order to prove his rebellion. Rebellion is like the sin of witchcraft and since modern science is the surviving sibling of mediaeval high magic the theory of evolution is a perfect result of that system of belief and thought.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

If some do call it Creation

If some do call it Creation Theory, they have completely failed to practice the scientific method. One does not accept scripture untested and unverified. I won't address it's myriad inaccuracies and mixed sources of reference, there are biblical historians here who are much more learned than myself, but I think it can safely be said that religious beliefs give a sense of peace to followers that is largely undeserved. It is like wallpaper.

There are other ways to understand theory.

As I mentioned in my post there is more than one way to use the term theory. I believe those who were using it in connection with creation were doing so to emphasise their acceptance of the unbelief of those who embrace the evolution theory. In other words as an hypothesis. This at least leaves the door open to those who believe in evolution to entertain the idea of a Creator God. My personal belief is that creation is self evident and thus requires no proof whether by using the scientific method or by application of reason to known facts.

As I mentioned in another post the foundation of most people's belief in evolution is their belief in the authority of science. For most believers in creation their belief is founded on the authority of the word of God. Once again I will say that the existence of God is self evident and requires no proof. That so many cannot see this has always been a puzzle to me. My only conclusion after my conversion (I believed in God even before I received the Son) is that as the scripture says "The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, doing abominable iniquity; there is none who does good." (Psalm 53:1).

The fool in Hebrew was a morally corrupt person so the judgement of scripture is that those who are morally corrupt find it convenient to deny the presence of God in their lives since it releases them from accountability for their thoughts and deeds and gives them licence to sin.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Everyone Should Read These 2 Books!!

Everyone Should Read These 2 Books!!

The Lost Books of The Bible and The Forgotten Books Of Eden
The Books Of Enoch (A compilation of all his books)

http://www.amazon.com/dp/1933580801/?tag=hyprod-20&hvadid=15...
http://www.amazon.com/Lost-Books-Bible-Forgotten-Eden/dp/052...

Mad Scientists Are Nuts

They cannot tell what kind of life was in those frames.

They also cannot date them because of the collapse of the firmament which was not put back into place about 6,000 years ago. Without light everything ages differently so they have no clue whehter the first heaven and earth was a million years ago or 10 billion years ago.

One thing is certain. The second heavent and earth in which we now live is about 6,000 years old.

I have never seen a monkey

that lived in a zoo, lose all it's hair.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Keep watching it for the next

Keep watching it for the next million years and report back

Keep watching for a million

Keep watching for a million years?

You just left science and went into your own religion.

The slogan press on has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race. No person was ever honored for what he received. Honor has been the reward for what he gave.

- Calvin Coolidge

The scientific process is based

on observation.

So..

You observed it occur over a million years? How old are you?

The slogan press on has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race. No person was ever honored for what he received. Honor has been the reward for what he gave.

- Calvin Coolidge

They Found The MISSING LINK!

Its a beauracrat

Tell me

Tell me how chromosome 2 fusion is supposed to work in the natural environment(which nobody can) and then we will talk about the validity of such discoveries and whether they do or do not support macro evolutionary theory.

Evolutionary theory is a little more palatable then say a lot of global warming science, but they both lack empiricism.

Another recent finding..

Based of study of DNA of some African hunter-gatherer groups, it appears
they have a big whack of DNA that it is not found in other modern humans.
Apparently, they acquired it by interbreeding with a now-extinct breed
of humans in Africa.

OTOH, about 4% of Europeans' DNA comes from Neanderthals.

http://chronicle.com/blogs/percolator/mystery-human-ancestor...

Mystery Human Ancestor Found in African Genes
July 26, 2012, 12:20 pm

By Josh Fischman
We are not alone. An unknown group of archaic humans interbred with our more modern species in Africa thousands of years ago, contributing DNA that is still with us, according to a new scientific paper. These ghosts within our genome are revising the history of Homo sapiens, which once was thought to have crushed any humanlike competitors on its way to inheriting the earth. In reality, we had sex and had kids with these extinct groups.

In fact, this is the third population of archaic humans—groups slightly different from the modern mold—that we consorted with. Within the last two years, scientists have pulled ancient DNA from Neanderthal bones and learned that it matches some of ours. And a finger bone from a cave in Siberia, belonging to a 30,000-year-old group called the Denisovans, has yielded a different set of DNA that we carry as well. Now comes evidence of these unknown Africans. But this time the hints of an ancient dalliance don’t stem from fossils but from DNA alone.

(rest of article at link above)

Does this all mean that WE are the

Martians? Seriously... think about it.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Remember THIS GUY?

...still rotting in FEDERAL PRISON - for WHAT?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi143.html

Being VERY persuasive to Christians!

Don't swallow the evolution crap ... EVER!!!

Creation happened! DEMAND they take the LIES our of the textbooks; and creation doesn't even have to replace it - just stop tellign the kids they are descendents of apes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL-cORRZdng

Ye strain at a gnat

I'm christian and I believe in evolution. Or should I say NATURAL CREATION, instead of supernatural creation. Evolution was just merely the tool that God used for creation. Here's the problem I have with supernatural creation- Why did it take so long? Six days? Why not six minutes or six seconds? Because there was a process to follow. You probably never noticed that according to Genesis that we didn't get the sun and moon until the 3rd day. Time did not follow your rules and God does not answer to your reasoning and interpretation. This is arrogance and pride on the part of christians.

"A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man" -Jebediah Springfield