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On Whether to Vote For Romney or Not

I do not know how many people there may be that have not decided how they will vote should Ron Paul's name not appear on their respective state's ballot this November. Perhaps because I am a recently "converted" Ron Paul supporter this decision has been harder for me than the long-time supporters.

But for those who have not decided I have a suggestion. Do we want to act in such a manner as to help more freedoms being taken away from us? Of course not. We all aim to see liberty restored in this nation. But would a second Obama term necessarily set us back? Even with a Democratic President in office, a conservative Congress and Senate could keep things in balance. It would also keep people awake in both parties and increase the chance of a Liberty President next time around.

We have already seen the R3VOLution take hold at the local and even state levels. Liberty minded candidates are winning State representative and local positions. Eventually governors are going to be in support of the revolution. We're even winning national Representatives already. Ted Cruz, although not 100% Ron Paul is expected to win his election. I have heard of other names likely or possible to win in November.

A second Obama term might not mean a loss of liberty during that same time. Many states are refusing to set up healthcare exchanges.

Anyhow, just some thoughts. I'm not completely ready to announce my decision myself, either. Sound logic? Am I off my rocker? Let me know what you think.

NOTE: I might have not been clear about my suggestion, gauging from the current # of negative votes. I'm suggesting that it's ok to vote 3rd party, write-in, or abstain from voting ONLY on the presidential ballot, and only in the event that Ron Paul's name is not on said ballot. I am not advocating a Romney nor Obama vote. Now if that's what you thought I meant then feel free to keep voting this thread down, but I'm actually saying that I don't think I could stomach voting for Romney if his name is on the ballot.

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In my opinion Obama is the worst.

#1. He has already shown he has no regard for our Constitution or restraint of Executive power - and with no possible third term (unless he decides to become full dictator which is possible) he has no insentive WHATSOEVER to show any restraint. He will use executive orders for EVERYTHING.

#2. Obama has his machine fully in place already, Romney has to put it together.

But I will never actually vote for either of these idiots.

Not even MittWitt

Rmoney the dead fetus burner wants to vote for MittWitt! Why would anybody else. This would be laughable if our freedom and prosperity weren't on the line.

Write-In Ron Paul and "LET IT BURN."

It matters not whether Romney or Obama wins.

There are no appreciable differences and in fact, Romney vows to add 100,000 MORE troops to the military.

If Obama wins again it will hurt the establishment republicans a lot more than it will hurt us because we can't see any difference between the 2 of them.

But the mainstram GOP is self-delusioned to think that there is.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

The establishment republicans won't be hurt if they lose

It's never happened when they've lost in the last 150 years, this year will be no different.

Free includes debt-free!

There is no question and no

There is no question and no debate for me.

Romney is the biggest loser of them all. Romney is dead last on my list, and wouldn't receive my vote even if he were alone on the ballot.

I'd vote for Obama over Romney, though a vote for either is a vote for socialism. I say this because I would slightly prefer funding some welfare to funding warfare - though I hate both.

So, my vote will be going to Gary Johnson with the assumption that Paul isn't the GOP nominee - if I even vote at all.

“If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

My question to the GOP establishment is,,,

How come it's OK to demonize the Democrats over ACORN and voter fraud, yet also be OK to tamper with the ballot boxes and have secret back room vote counts to ensure Romney wins?

Because tptb said so

and the same reason Democrats can bash GOP for the tea party and Ron Paul.

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What an establishment answer: Because tptb said so.

Are you accepting of that answer with other questions also? Do you love Big Brother also? The powers that be are what has gotten us into this mess. Why embrace the power structure of the left-right paradigm?

Embrace like a python

crushing them now that I'm inside.

My recommendation

I believe this presidential primary season was tremendous, a rare opportunity to shift the party and the culture in our direction and one we made the most of. But it is hard to turn a nation, it is a mighty big ship. It certainly won't occur as a result of this presidential election.

We have done important work. In comparison, the vote we cast in November is not terribly important. Hence, I will not judge anyone based on it. I certainly will not get enraged or indignant.

Some may have practical reasons to nominally support Romney (for instance those who have won party positions like Rand) and others may receive therapeutic benefits in voting for Gary Johnson or writing in Ron's name. Many won't vote.

My personal recommendation is to vote your conscience and don't lose any friendships over it. Then, throw yourself back into the real battle.

A possible 8 years for Romney? NO WAY!

I will never vote for him. I will vote a third party since Dr. Paul didn't file to be a write in in my state.

Write-ins, Etc.

My state (Oklahoma) us one of the most difficult in which to get on the ballot. An organization just this or last week may have secured a 3rd party to be on our ballot this November. If that happens, and Dr. Paul isn't listed on there, I'll probably vote that 3rd party. Probably.

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If Ron Paul is not on the

If Ron Paul is not on the ballot here in New Orleans, then I will be voting Libertarian (Louisiana doesn't do write-ins)

"As the circle of light increases, so does the circumference of darkness around it." - Albert Einstein
"Now, more than ever, the choice between Obama and Romney will be which one do you want to ruin your country?" ~ Wead

The same old, insider creeps

The same old, insider creeps will be employed in either President's cabinet. Who becomes President is not nearly as important as who will be your Congressman or Senator, and they are not as important as who will represent you at the State level.
We want protection from the overreach of the Federal government. We can only achieve that thru our State legislatures and local government.
This top down approach will get us nowhere. We need a bottom up grass-roots revolution. That is what the Republic was built on.

So vote for creep 1 or creep 2. I don't give a rat's ass. It won't make any difference. Only Ron Paul might make a difference, and it appears as though most of you have abandoned that idea altogether.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

Excellent post.

Aside from Paul, it will not matter who our presidential representative is. Local and state are imperative, and can utilize annulment when the fed over-reaches.

I have not abandoned that Paul may make a difference. He would use executive order granted by the Constitution to cancel other eo's and directives that oppose our Constitution.

Bottom-up grassroots is fundamental and well defined by the Constitution. But Tampa is also of highest importance to inform the ptb that we mean business; We will NOT support a party. We will support the candidate(s) who honors our Constitution and Republic.

See you in Tampa.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul


Who is this collective "We'?

The unparty of Indy's who are FORCED to vote for the others parties?

The Libertarians who are FORCED to accept a REPUBLICAN in a Libertarian suit?

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Who is the collective "you?"

Like I said yesterday, this is again "hubris." How do YOU know best for the individuals here? Ron Paul has not endorsed, and I believe will not endorse Romney? If he does, I do not believe that anyone would follow this very unlikely action by Ron Paul by now supporting Romney. If someone is not following the Constitution, then they will not be supported by the collective "we," IMO.

I don't

I don't that I know what is best for individuals, here or anywhere. I'm not even interested in what is best for indivduals. I do know what is best for TRon Paul Republicans like me, but only on a national level, as each state and county has it's own crosses to bare.

I don't think Ron Paul will endorse anyone because it's all about "we" his heirs, to his message, IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. WE THE RON PAUL REPUBLICANS.

Watch it Steve...

she used "we". We can't, but she can.



"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Sure I can, since I indentified my "we"

RON PAUL REPUBLICANS are my "we", and we are not a collective, but a segment of the GOP, like the Tea Party, Neocons, Christian Right, etc.

I'm asking you to identify your "we". I didn't say don't say "we". Say "we" all you like. I'm just curious to who/what that collective is.


At times you are simply adorable. Other times, I just don't know what to think.

MY collective WE are all those who defend our nation, our Republic, and our Constitution. It is those who defend our individual selfs. It is also ALL of the people who have helped ME in this tremendous initiative. Thus "WE".

I will let you in on a little secret:

Ron Paul stands for Liberty. To know Liberty, to live Liberty, you must realize a point in your life when you are able to stand on your own two feet - without feeling the necessity of bringing Ron's name up in most every post. I am not Ron. You are not me. I am my own individual, as the Constitution was founded. Ron's message has empowered me to do what I must. At this juncture, I will do what I MUST, and that is to focus on Tampa. What happens after that, I will address then.

Lastly, labels contribute to havoc. As long as people defend their party, regardless of who represents it, we are doomed for failure, as has already been witnessed. I am a registered Republican. But I live my life as an Independant. I will NEVER let a club, regardless of what its name is or what it supposedly stands for, degrade my moral fabric. That is a fact.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

The fact is

Ron Paul Republicans are winning by becoming the establishment.

Like the wheel, the establishment exists, so we work with what we have, and make it work for us.

Before the wheel was invented, cavemen walked.

Your "We" is like this committee http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6b2wp_idea-killers-the-whe...

You nailed it!

That is exactly the way the establishment thinks (the 3 cavemen)!

Ron Paul, and people like me, live by the Constitution, which is a very basic set of instructions, and you, and the establishment, try to complicate it and muck it up!

So, let me see if I have this right:

"Ron Paul Republicans are winning by BECOMING the ESTABLISHMENT."

Boy did I need a good belly laugh lol.

I believe, and by all means please correct me if I am wrong, you MEANT to say:

Ron Paul Republicans are winning because we are attempting to TAKE the Republican party BACK. You know, from the nwo ptb.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

You are the one working hard to muck it up

Ron Paul is the establishment.

Ron Paul works within the laws we have, and accepted the invitation to join the rEVOLution, to RESTORE CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT.

We are NOT attempting to TAKE the Republican Party back.

We are JOINING the REPUBLICAN PARTY, working within the laws to RESTORE the Constitution, by qualifying, being duly elected, credentialed GOP central committee members and office holders.

I was a Libertarian 1976 - 1992
Indy 1993 - 2010
Republican 2011 - present

There is no "back".

I have gone where I NEVER thought I would go because I did what Ron Paul asked ALL of us to do. JOIN THE ESTABLISHMENT VIA THE GOP.

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You really nailed ProudAmericanFirst.

In other words, by becoming the enemy we are suppose to win, but agree with you, that that is very flawed thinking.

You both exhibit flawed understanding

Ron Paul is THE establishment. Even as an exception, he works within the currant establishments laws.

Is Ron Paul the enemy?

Are Ron Paul Republicans the enemy?

Many times

Many times, people vote the "party", not properly vetting the person running.

Obama was not properly vetted. Neither was Romney. This is why our Republic is in the condition that it is in.

It is most important to be involved in local/state. But at this moment it is critical that we focus on Tampa.

This might help you find your answer(s).


"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul


is no difference between the 2. My argument is the way Ron Paul was treated by republicans. I will never vote for Romney, ever. I will pick a third party candidate and let the chips fall where they may.

America seems to be o.k. with communism

Just yesterday

I saw a Romney coverage on TV and became so enraged that I momentarily decided I would put a sign in my yard for Obama...

It would say;

Vote Obama... Because You Deserve It!

At this point we are still watching BOTH puppets beating each other up and avoiding the issues/solutions.

My dream is that these two puppets undermine confidence in both parties to the point that the average person just say's "Screw it. Let's start over again."

But I will honor the hard work of the people who have run for offices all across America as Ron Paul Republicans and vote Republican.

Change IS coming... one way or another. Either by our current strategy of change from the inside or by the inevitable collapse.

For me, it's not about who

Whether it's Ron Paul or Romney, it's REPUBLICAN.

The reason it's important to me that's it's REPUBLICAN, is that I am a REPUBLICAN and ALL the Ron Paul REPUBLICANS that are qualified, duley elected, credentialed, seated as deleates, committee members and officials/ congress/senate/local offices.. it's important to me that these REPUBLICANS have power.

So if you are a REPUBLICAN, it's not about who is president, I think Obama proved that, as he ran as anti-war, but gave us more illegal wars; he ran as pro-cannabis, yet went so far as the send the feds into states that had pro-cannabis laws and busted operations that were legal by the states, he ran as "Christian" and is now working to shut down religion.. Obama has not delivered one promise (because Clinon's people are seated on the committtees and running the show and THAT is how it really works).

In the GOP, there are people who really really really wanted bachman, newt, trump, santorum, johnson, perry, palin, jeb, and they were passionate about their candidate. Some didn't even run, but that did not stop their supporters from really thinking that person is the best person and maxing out their campaign contribution. Once there is a nomination, the republican base no longer roots for the man (except MSM shows it differently to fool you), but for the team, for that team to have the power, which all the nominee represents. Since it seems Romney's nomination came from the elites, all of us in the GOP are in the same boat, with a canidate that isn't OURS, but it. We stick together, not just because of oaths we've signed, but because we wamt our seated and elected to have the power to gets the acts and bills we want passed.

So to me, if you are looking at THE MAN as who and why you will vote for party, you are really missing THE BIG PICTURE, and that is the thousands of people in the party, in our case, Ron Paul Repoublicans.

When you don't vote Republican, you vote against them.