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IMPORTANT: If RNC insists Maine Convention was held improperly then there was NO Convention and Mitt is OFF the state ballot

As I was reading the election law code for the State of Maine I came upon one very important bit of information that might just put an end to the RNC questioning if the Maine GOP state convention was held properly or not.

In Maine, the law states that there has to be a State Convention for that political Party's Presidential Candidate to appear on the ballot. If the RNC insists that the selection of the delegates was not properly done, not only do they void the delegates elections, but by default they void out the entire State Convention. At that point no Republican nominee is allowed on the State Ballot, and Obama wins by default.

I seriously doubt Romney wants to give up a state, and I guarantee the Democrat Party would file a lawsuit to keep Romney off the ballot (or anybody else - say the Libertarian Party). Unless I am missing something, it is clear cut and final. Either the convention was held properly or not at all.

Below is the law:

2. General election.  A party which qualifies under subsection 1 to participate in a primary election must, in that same year, hold a state convention as prescribed by Article III in order to have the party designation of its candidates printed on the ballot in the general election of that year.
[ 1985, c. 161, §6 (NEW) .]


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Don't throw me in the briar patch.

Another thing, if Mitt is off the ballot, GJ would have a shot at winning ME. That would be poetic justice.


I'll donate to GJ for a

I'll donate to GJ for a lawsuit over this - seeing how the Republicans are trying to kick others off the ballot elsewhere.

Note - I'm not voting for GJ - I'm voting for the Constitution party - I believe, but I'll still help out.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

United we stand

Divided we fall.

That is what rnc/dnc count on. And why they stick together like flies on sh|t.

We need to unite behind 1 candidate. Or will we never learn.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

"At that point no Republican

"At that point no Republican nominee is allowed on the State Ballot, and Obama wins by default."

This is not true. We have Gary Johnson on the ballot here as well.

This is out of context at the

This is out of context at the moment what is stated in article III??

what do you mean out of context

its just a link, bottom line no state convention, no line for GOP on state ballot, it's that simple

You're reading that wrong. It doesn't say that Romney can't be

on the ballot, it says that the word "Republican" won't appear next to his name.

He'll still be on the ballot, just not as a "Republican" candidate.

No he would not be on the ballot

he would have had to gather the appropriate signatures to be put on the ballot as an independent.

Not sure were you got your info. The Democrat and GOP parties still have a couple hoops to follow to get on the ballot, they are not automatically set on there.

I got it right here:

from the OP:

"in order to have the party designation of its candidates printed on the ballot "

It says nothing about not being on the ballot at all, it says that the party designation will not be printed on the ballot.

What part of that plain English escapes you?

LIBERTY2ME's picture

Doesn't this apply then to

Doesn't this apply then to LA, oOR or MA?

Why would Maine state law apply in other states?

That makes no sense.

Louisiana does not have a similar law, by the way. I don't know about the others.

I'm Sure It Can All Be Settled Amicably

With Ron Paul's name on the RNC ballot, delegates unbound, and a speaking slot.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/


Here's an opinion I respect:

"No one alleges the state convention never occurred. It may have been faulty but there is a logical and semantic difference between an improper convention and a convention that didn't ever occur. The law doesn't say the state convention has to be proper or valid, just that it happened."

You can bet the establishment authoritarians will do what they want.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

the offered compromise

If the Mitt crew really believed that the convention was held illegally, who out there thinks they would then offer a compromise to those whom they accused of running an illegal convention?

Okay, I want the money back I

Okay, I want the money back I had to spend on the convention, hotel, and everything else for that looong exhausting weekend that they tried so hard to steal from us right in front of our faces.

Winning !!!

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Mitt Romulan: "Americans Deserve Better In America"

One of these days count the number of times the Romulan uses the word America or Americans in one paragraph...

Ah, the word America captures the spirit of the American people. Abra Cadabra, cadavor magic word "AMERICA" is all it takes to win over the people..

Pretend you're Ronald Reagan...'Delusions of grandeur', and use the word America as many times as you can in one paragraph so that the dumbed down voting electorate will believe you are just like Reagan.

The creation of Madison Avenue: A good looking man who promises everything for everybody, having well groomed air, a good looking wife, handsome family thinks he talks like Ronald Reagan.

Mitt Romney; I can make the people believe you're the next Ronald.. (Reagan by osmosis)

"My fellow americans, americans deserve better for america, because americans know that hard work makes america a better place to live in america. So my fellow americans, believe in america and that take that belief in america and make it a better America for americans.

Willard 'Mitt' Romulan...The next fall guy for Barak H. alias Barry Soetero, Obama, Yo Mama...

I'm not sure if you're on to something, or not.

Section 304 states that a party that does not meet the requirements cannot participate in the general election. And section 321 states the requirements for the convention, including "Nominate the number of presidential electors to which the State is entitled." But it says presidential electors, not delegates to a national party convention. If this does not mean delegates to the RNC, then there does not seem to be a requirement that delegates are selected, which would invalidate this theory.

§304. Disqualification of parties

A party that does not meet the requirements of section 301 is not qualified to participate in a subsequent election. [1999, c. 450, §10 (AMD).]

§321. Time and place; procedure

Each party shall hold a state convention between March 1st and August 1st biennially during each general election year. [2005, c. 387, §4 (AMD).]

1. Time, place and representation. The party's state committee shall determine the time, place and basis of representation for the convention. Delegates must be qualified to vote in the party's primary election unless otherwise permitted by party rules.
[ 2005, c. 387, §4 (AMD) .]
2. Proceedings at convention. The convention shall do the following:
A. Elect a secretary and a chair of the convention in that order; [2005, c. 387, §4 (AMD).]
B. Adopt a platform for the next general election; [1985, c. 161, §6 (NEW).]
C. Nominate the number of presidential electors to which the State is entitled; [1985, c. 161, §6 (NEW).]
D. Determine the size of the state, district and county committees and the method of their election; [2005, c. 387, §4 (AMD).]
E. Elect a district committee for each congressional district; and [1985, c. 161, §6 (NEW).]
F. Elect a county committee for each county from persons nominated at municipal caucuses held in the county, unless party rules provide for county committee members to be elected directly by their respective municipalities. If a municipality entitled to nominate a person for election to the county committee fails to do so, the convention may elect any resident of that municipality to the county committee. [2005, c. 387, §4 (AMD).]
[ 2005, c. 387, §4 (AMD) .]
1985, c. 161, §6 (NEW). 2005, c. 387, §4 (AMD).

Sure they'd like to cut Maine delegates out completely

Not going to happen. Justice will prevail.


Those are the min. requirements, but I guess you are missing the point. It's called mutual assured destruction or scorched earth.

If they say the convention was run improperly and the delegates don't count and the chair was elected improperly (improperly elected chair is one of their big issues as to why the delegates were improperly elected, if they say he was improperly elected, the convention is void, if they try to switch back and say he was properly elected but other parts of how it was run were wrong, they lose most of their claim for trying to get the delegates removed) in the end, the chair could say I agree, right a letter to the Sec of State and the other political parties and say the same. It will void the entire convention, because the convention must have a properly elected chair to exist. They (RNC) can try to pick and choose, but I doubt it holds up in court when one of the other political parties in the state sues to keep the GOP off the ballot. Second, even if they ruled it was a legit convention, I do believe those Electors are free and clear to vote for whoever they wish, Maine is a non-penalty state, they could easily not vote for Romney and he loses the state to Obama anyway. Those are the aces in the hole.

It turns out only a few states have a requirement like Maine that a convention is connected to ballot access.

But Rules are rules

Well what did you expect?

The GOP Obviously considers Obama for President. This just works more towards in their favor.

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?

Who do you think you are competing against?

What I don't understand is the reasoning of the individual who posted this. After everything that has happened, what in the hell makes you think that these people are going to actually obey any of their own rules? Seriously, I really want to know why you think that we are dealing with honorable people. These people are no better than the Nazi SS, or any other group of armed thugs who only do what they are told by their mafia mentality masters. You (we, every one of us) need to wake up to the realization that our competitors do not follow ANY rules. Until we all realize that, we are just naive children playing an honest game against people who are willing to kill us if that is what it takes. We no longer live in a country of laws or morality. We no longer live in a Constitutional Republic. If we want to survive this we need to realize the situation that we are really in. We now live in Amerika. There is no Constitution.

Larry in North Carolina
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men and women to not support Ron Paul!

Larry take a deep breath

This is State of Maine law, not Republican Party rules. Believe me if the Democrats can keep the entire Republican Party off the ballot they will go to court to do it. All it takes is one Democrat appointed judge to bring down the entire house for the GOP.

The GOP does not care about

The GOP does not care about winning, they only care that the establishment keeps control...They know they can't win with Romney yet they picked him over Paul who could beat Obama. Both parties have the same agenda and the same owners, the only candidate with a different agenda is Ron Paul thus why he was scammed out of the win he would have gotten if not for lying media and rigged votes.

Oh please

Are you saying that not one Senator, US House member or State elected official from Maine doesn't care about winning? C'mon that's absurd. If there is no state convention, they are all off the ballot, not just Romney.

If the whole thing is Pre-picked every 4 years, why the whole Bush Vs Gore and the Supreme Court ruling, why not just rigg the votes and truly give Bush all the votes he needed?

You are right. "The GOP does not care about winning, they only

care that the establishment keeps control.
IMO, this is Not about Romney winning, this is about obama winning and obama can only win another term if Romney is the GOP nominee.
obama can NOT beat Ron Paul but, obama can easily beat Romney.
So, I shall repeat; This is about making sure obama wins.
Unfortunately; the Democrat/Republican party is owned by the elite to make sure the person they choose for President, wins the election.
Simple common sense tells us that the GOP is owned by the establishment, the elite or, they Never would have picked Romney while, shunning Ron Paul at every turn

We are in a fight for our liberty and freedom, which is a fight for our lives and the only way we win, is to make damn sure Ron Paul wins.


>not only do they void the delegates elections, but by default they void out the entire State Convention

I don't follow. There was a convention, but one part of it wasn't conducted properly. How does that void the entire thing? Where in the law does it state that the convention has to even elect delegates?

I hope you're right, but I'm sure they aren't going to allow something so simple to stop them from stealing delegates.

well if you read below

I show what the state considers a qualified convention.

If they are saying for example the chair was elected improperly, the rest of the convention is moot, none of it would have been legal. Also how could electors, delegates etc. have been legit if the other part was not. It's impossible.

as far about the law and delegates, it's spelled out below with a link to the law. But again you are not seeing the big picture, if they throw the delegates out, the Chair of that convention could simply say, they are correct the entire convention was improper and he was improperly elected, then there is no convention and they lose the state.

Very simple tactic.

Republicans off the ballot in ME.

Great news. It would be interesting to see the third party presidential candidate pickup a state, but even more interesting to see a third party Senator.