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Judge Napolitano on Rand Paul's Classified Briefings

Even though we suspected as much, this is a scary read about big brother.

"The rules for classified briefings of members of Congress on areas of government behavior that the government wants to keep from its employers -- the American people -- are a real Catch-22. Those rules allow representatives and senators to interrogate government officials about government behavior that they are afraid to reveal, and they require those officials to answer honestly and completely. But the rules keep the interrogations secret, and they expressly prohibit members of Congress from telling anyone what they have learned."

"...Paul -- who is the son of Rep. Ron Paul, the greatest congressional defender of limited government in our era -- when asked what he learned at these secret briefings and aware that he could be prosecuted for telling the truth, chose a fictitious word to describe the vast number of violations of privacy at the hands of federal agents: gazillions

http://reason.com/archives/2012/08/09/gazillions



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I was all over this

I was all over this article and really enjoying it...then I saw the Elizabeth Warren ad at the bottom....gak!

Just curious, under what authority can an unelected

Bureaucrat tell an elected Senator what he can and cannot say? Also, is the president under this restriction too? I read somewhere that even the president does not have top level security clearence, so who's running the country?

Apple fell far from the tree

Rand Paul is a joke. He didn't stand by his dad. He barely even campaigned. I plan to show him the same support if he ever runs again on any ticket. He is another good ole boy singing the same party line and we don't need anymore of those types in government.

Total of one comment on the DP-

This one.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Fish

While Rand was campaigning for liberty at age 11, you parents or grand parents were probably voting for politicians who supported big state programs and wars. I wonder do you confront your relatives often? Do apples from YOUR tree fall far apart?

XXXXXXX

You don't know how old I am so take your assumptions and stick them up your arse. My parents never supported big government or wars although all of us fought in them. My parents/grandparents always stood by their opinions rather than hiding them when it wasn't popular (like Rand). Rand could have done so much more and yet he hid in the shadows afraid to attack the machine like his father has. Nothing you can say will change that fact. I don't care what he was doing at 11. It is what he DIDN'T do now that hurts the most. It looks to me like he was just hiding out and hoping he could retain his standing with the good ole boys for future endeavors. Don't act butthurt to me over his poor performance.

SteveMT's picture

Say anything like that again....

and you are done here.

say what you want about

say what you want about Rand...the way I see it is, he got into a meeting to get real answers as to what the hell our government officals are actually doing that "the people" are not allowed to know about. He went, he heard, and he said all he needed to say to "the people" in one word. Message is loud and clear.

The Libertarian movement has to go back

to Ayn Rand and admit that she was right all along.

A. Napoletano: "Freedom lies in our hearts, but to survive, it must do more than just lie there. Its essence is the exercise of unfettered choices, and the unfettered choices we make address our perpetual yearning for truth. This is a natural process that -- just like the muscles in our bodies -- will atrophy if unused."

And in a sentence above the same A. Napoletano clamoring for the right to be left alone.

But there is only one accepted morality in the society today with two flavors 1) sacrifice to society [collectivists]; 2) sacrifice to god, local community & country [religious left, right & center]. These are other groups with pretense of no morality or individual morality [anarchists, RP libertarians, hermits] who repackage the above two flavors as they please on top of natural law "axiom" and no initiation of force rule.

Only Ayn Rand offers new morality based on rational thinking - where man does not sacrifice himself to others or collect sacrifices of others to himself. Morality means judging, not leaving alone without valuation based on principles.

SteveMT's picture

I'm just wondering if Ron Paul was ever a part of this?

Has Ron Paul simply refused to be privy to these secret meetings over the course of 20+ years, or does one need to be asked to take part?

Secrecy is anathema to the People. If the government is performing illegal activities, does fidelity to the Constitution trump secret agreements not to divulge this tyranny?

I'm not positive about this, SteveMT,

but, I do remember hearing Ron Paul say something about he doesn't attend those kinds of meetings because the information given is usually a bunch of bs that they use to scare the Congress into promoting and passing laws that should have never been promoted and certainly not passed.

Does anyone remember hear that, too?

In response to your second question, IMO, because of his fidelity to the Constitution, Dr. Paul has too much integrity to get involved in the kind of secrecy that sets the people up for more tyranny. He's not stupid. He knows what's going on behind closed doors. Maybe not the details, but the overall picture. That's why he can say whatever he wants. He's not privvy to the "secrets" (on purpose), so no one can shut him up about the truth of a given situation.

Imagine if every member of Congress would have that kind of integrity and refuse to go to secret meetings, instead of being so full of their own self-importance! If they are that insecure, they shouldn't be in office representing anybody.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Remember that House "secret session" March 2008

....Just 6 accounting months before "the crash"? Supposedly the session re: FISA?

I do remember that neither Ron Paul nor Dennis Kucinich attended.

Dennis Kucinich speaks about secret congress meeting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgnbFCbnB24

Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer

You miss

the power of the market. If our wise central planners were fully aware of the results of their micro-management and could predict near future, then 1) they would play on stock market; 2) government economic policies would be always successful.

I agree central planning doesn't work but...

"1) they would play on stock market"

They do. And the fact that their returns on such investment are way better than average is pretty well documented.

"2) government economic policies would be always successful"

I think you are making a mistake here and are assuming "successful" means "help the American people" and/or "actually do what politicians say their policies will do" rather than the true meaning of "success" in this context which is to grant the politicians and their partners in crime ill-gotten power and wealth.

SteveMT's picture

Thanks for that video, SC

How to rid the government of tyranny is the question? Is it better to become a political prisoner (or worse, a martyr) by going against a signed contract not to divulge unscrupulous government activities, when they are identified? It's an ethical question, one of conscious. How does one sleep with themselves knowing that this activity is ongoing?

Debbie's picture

I see your point Steve, but practically speaking, perhaps having

this information would be useful.

Debbie

Brilliant answer

Using "gazillions" portrays the truth while still not breaking the rules of classified briefings.

I blogged on this this morning.

http://lionsofliberty.com/2012/08/09/gazillions/

It’s time to accept the true role of government. It is not a protector, it is our master – so long as we allow it to be.

http://lionsofliberty.com/
*Advancing the Ideas of Liberty Daily*

Great blog post. You know, I

Great blog post. You know, I just got a letter from my state tax board requesting proof of some exempt income from another gov't bureau. It boggles my mind that they don't just look up the info themselves or why don't they just access the info through their spy data?

unfortunately..

most citizens of this once great nation are too stupid to know theyre stupid.

Yeah, and even if they know

Yeah, and even if they know they don't care...or like us are bewildered as to what to do about it.

philosphically stated.

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Wow

Corruption is sooooooooo 1984!

Big bump.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

what happened

in 1984?

George Orwell's book 1984 :)

George Orwell's book 1984 :)

and Big Brother.

Also, to comment on Rand. I do wish those of you who are being so critical, would take the time to realize that while transparency is a necessary and nobel goal, there are times, like now, when neither Rand nor Ron Paul can give you every detail of what is happening, nor is anyone else to be sure. If you understand the platform and know that RP is the best choice for president bar none, then you better start trusting him and Rand to do the right thing. I think it is discusting that some on this site have so little faith. We can't know everything, every moment. Let the chafe sift out. We only have a couple of weeks before much will be revealed. Again I say be patient.

Amen

To tjat.. Rand should have handled pr better tho...

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul