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Romney Says Boy Scouts Should Admit Homosexuals

I'm not anti-gay but do homosexual boys know they are gay at 9, 10, and 11 years old? I don't know. Maybe they do. But what bothers me is this seems like it's clearing the way for homosexual MEN to be boy scout troop leaders. THAT is probably NOT a good idea.

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney this week reiterated his view that the Boy Scouts of America should admit homosexuals as Scouts and Scout leaders. He also supports the right of the Scouts to decide their own policies.

Currently, the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) does not admit homosexuals as Scouts or Scout leaders.

Romney first expressed his view that the Boy Scouts should admit homosexuals in 1994. When Romney was running for the U.S. Senate that year against Democrat Sen. Ted Kennedy, he said “all people should be allowed to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation.”

Tovia Smith of WBUR radio in Boston asked Romney during an October 1994 debate, “Mr. Romney, you say you’re a moderate on social issues, one who will defend abortion rights, equal rights for women, for blacks and for gays -- in fact, you say you will do more to promote gay rights than Senator Kennedy.”


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This is a common sense issue.

There's a reason why the Girl Scouts don't have men troop leaders and the Boy Scouts don't have women troop leaders. Would you want your son going on a camping trip or sleep-over with a man troop leader who had a woman's sexual orientation? That really would be no different than having little boys go on camping trips or sleepovers with a woman troop leader or little girls going on camping trips or sleepovers with men troop leaders.

Sex drive is in most everyone

and most ever thing. If you’ve ever lived on a farm or been around farm animals you have seen how powerful the pull is. It is nothing to see cows humping on each other – it does not matter between sexes – bulls will hump on bulls – heifers will hump on heifers – heifers will hump on bulls and bulls will most definitely hump on heifers. The difference between cattle and people is open public sex is repressed taboo and same sex is looked upon as deviant by most people with religious convictions. As youngsters grow up a lot will experiment with same sex before deciding whether they like girls or boys. I consider experimental same sex between young males on males and girls on girls as being natural in an animal sex way. That being said a lot young men with a strong homosexual sex drive will not let a few years age difference hold him back from humping on younger males who may or may not want it. I say let the kids sort out the kids and allow a young boy who thinks he is gay be in a troop but I don’t think we should allow a known self-profess homosexual be a scout leader/master. It would be too much temptation in the campout tents for a young male stud not to take advantage of the younger meat. There are bars for that sort of thing. And if that is going on now with some troop leaders and the scouts it needs to stop and be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Most parents will not allow their kids to be around that sort of behavior. I guess I’m old fashion and well beyond the times. It seem like the Gay and Lesbian agenda is pushing their lifestyle to be accepted on people who do not want any part of it and defiantly do not want it pushed on their young impressionable males as a boy scout badge of honor. Go ahead and flame away.

You explained it very well.

I agree that young impressionable males and females need to be protected from any kind of sexual advances. There has already been a problem with boys being abused sexually in Boy Scouts. Our children need to be protected and not bait for predators!

Romney flip flops so much he probably does not even know what he is saying half the time! But some groups will take his inane speeches and use it for their own cause. He needs to "shut up" where our children are concerned.

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Leave the Scouts alone

The Boy Scouts is a private organization and should be beyond the purview of presidential candidates that are trying to gain votes by pitting one group of voters against the other and hoping they choose the side that will get them the most votes. In a free society people are supposed to be free to choose those with whom they wish to or don't wish to associate without the interference of busy body politicians trying to wring the last vote out of a campaign.

Romney--shut up and sit down.

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He who pays the fiddler calls the tune

The BSA should do what Hillsdale College did many many years ago: decide to accept NO government funds of any kind. Then they can be free to act as they wish.

Until then, the BSA will be just like public lands, public schools, public buildings, public sidewalks...a source of endless political fighting for control.

Just another distraction so

Just another distraction so we don't think/talk about the fall of our Republic and the Constitutional Rule of Law.
Anyone know what the Kardashians did today? Sheeeesh.

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-Sam Adams

so much for freedom

according to my knowledge, the boy scouts get funds from the government, as such they HAVE to accept anybody that wants to join, it's that simple for me. and i personally resent anybody that says they shouldn't be able to join, who do you think you are to make such a judgement. maybe you should have dinner at a chic fil-a tomorrow to prostest romney's position on this. Romney is terrible in pretty much every way but i totally agree with him on this if he didnt flip his position.


"according to my knowledge, the boy scouts get funds from the government, as such they HAVE to accept anybody that wants to join, it's that simple for me."

The government also gives money to religious charities and has given to other religious organizations in the past. The private organizations still get to decide their own rules. Also, if you think "they HAVE to accept anybody that wants to join", don't you think the Boy Scouts should also be forced to accept girls who want to join? Or older men? Because otherwise it would be discriminating based on age and gender.

“It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till." -J.R.R. Tolkien

I Agree

however The LDS are a huge influence on the BSA and are a major reason the BSA started to discriminate against gays in the first place. I doubt Romney actually stands by this and will quickly change his opinion after the election (if not before)

Watch this episode of Penn and Tellers Bullshit

The problem will be gone soon.

The Boy Scouts is a wonderful organization.
I learned so many things. I gained confidence. I learned self reliance, honor and respect for others..

The knot tying and line splicing alone allowed me to bump a 30 year old man on a union riverboat when I was 18. Because I knew all the knots. More than river rats with 20 years experience.

I learned Waterskiing, canoeing, motorboating, basic first aid, lifesaving, Swam a mile and how to sail.


It's a ahame the BSA will be out of business, because of the lawsuits and nobody wants to put themselves up as a target for the attacks.

The kids can grow up into useless gamer scum wtih no chance of learning or getting molested. USA, USA!

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Why do I even bother?

If I dare make a statement on a thread like this, the gay "rights" folks roll in and immediately buriy every single dissenting opinion with downvotes, straw men, and false accusations.

You people are better than this. Debate is fantastic - I'm all for it. Logical fallacies and dishonest argument are not.

This is just sad.

Romney ought to mind his business

The Boy Scouts are a private organization and can do what they want. The President has no authority over private organizations.

damn right

anyone should be able to take their business wherever they want without BS, he shouldnt be telling anyone what they can and cant do unless it is hurting someone

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That's what it sounds like to me. You sweat yourself to death to build a non-profit organization, then the government gets to set policy.

Gene Louis
Supporting a Needed Tool for Government Feedback:
A Citizen-Operated Legal System.

They Get to set policy

Because the BSA receives govt tax money and benefits. The BSA did this to themselves by accepting govt money.

It's not a Gay Issue or a Government Grant Issue

It is an issue of who gets to manage their own company.

Gene Louis
Supporting a Needed Tool for Government Feedback:
A Citizen-Operated Legal System.


however since they accept Govt money they give up their right to discriminate.


Nust have taken a poll and found that this was the most popular stance. Why else would he have an opinion on anything.


I knew I was gay by the age of 5, and I was raised in a Baptist church mostly. They constantly told me that I was going to hell because of it. Needless to say, that constant message of eternal damnation lead to some serious mental problems for myself. Going through puberty was SO MUCH FUN! Yeah it did wonders for my esteem and soul. This is why I have a tendency to get so worked up on this issue. Unless someone's experienced it, it's almost impossible to explain in a way others can understand. Being a heterosexual teenager is tough enough, or so I hear. lol

The Boy Scouts have had

The Boy Scouts have had homosexual men and homosexual pedophiles in leadership positions for decades now! There was recently a big decades long cover up semi-exposed. Probably would be better if they were open about it. I am not against gay people, but I am against the government dictating who can belong to what private organization.

My response to this ignorance:

"I'm not anti-gay but do homosexual boys know they are gay at 9, 10, and 11 years old? I don't know. Maybe they do. But what bothers me is this seems like it's clearing the way for homosexual MEN to be boy scout troop leaders. THAT is probably NOT a good idea."

We all assumed my cousin was gay when he was like 9. He had the higher pitched voice, spoke with those "feminine" hand gestures, etc. He ended up coming out of the closet in his early 20's. None of us were surprised, and we love him all the same. If you got a hard-on when looking at porn at like 12 years of age, there's a good chance a gay 12 year old would not be aroused by it.

And anybody who thinks it's a choice, is a moron. Yeah, they really choose to have all you idiots hate them, harrass them, and live in fear of being ostracized by their own friends and family. Typical "compassionate Christians" showing their hate-filled hearts.

By the way, if you fear a homosexual leading a group of boys, do you also fear a heterosexual leading a group of girls? Homosexuality and pedeophilia are NOT the same thing. I too would expect Ron Paul supporters to be smarter and better than this!

I enjoyed your logical,

I enjoyed your logical, factual and passionate response. I enjoyed it because I didn't have to do it lol. The prejudiced idea that gay men are somehow more likely to molest kids is just that - prejudiced.

However, I do believe the Boy Scouts have every right to be discriminatory or prejudiced if they wish - that's their right and their liberty.

I just want them to recognize that a lot of their Boy Scouts are gay, they just don't know about it yet. The anti-gay judgmental-ists have to learn to separate SEXUALITY from SEXUAL ACTS and when you do that there's ABSOLUTELY NO NEED for any faith-based judgement or hatred.

And then we need the LEFT to stop trying to use government to force people to agree with them.

BSA's Right to Discriminate

Ended when they received Govt tax money and benefits.

If the Boy Scouts

is a private organization (i.e. not accepting public funding)it can assert whatever rules it wants. Is it a private club? If so, that is part of private property, they can do whatever they want with it, accept whoever they want into it, even if other people don't like the rules of their club.

Also, there are some darn silly comments below (in my opinion) and some stange and thoughtless ones too. I think we need to re-educate ourselves on the nature of private property


I just hate the fact that they are given tax payer dollars.

If it wasn't for that, they could be the largest KKK organization for all I care.

Cheap Influence?

Is that the problem? If I give you five percent of your budget, what makes you entitled to 100% of my policy decisions? If that is the case, then it would be best for government to stop buying cheap influence and get out of the donation business. Also stay out of public/private partnerships if they are really not partners when it comes to management.

Gene Louis
Supporting a Needed Tool for Government Feedback:
A Citizen-Operated Legal System.

Studys Show

gay men are no more at risk of offending young boys than straight men are offending young women.

I expected better from my fellow DPers

I expected better from my fellow DPers

Me to man, me too.

I take issue with your...

...comment.."...do homosexual boys know they are gay at 9, 10, and 11 years old? I don't know. Maybe they do. But what bothers me is this seems like it's clearing the way for homosexual MEN to be boy scout troop leaders. THAT is probably NOT a good idea."

I am not homosexual but I do have a few homosexual friends (one is even a Republican Paul supporter) who claim they knew they were gay at a very young age. Who the hell am I to call them liars? Also keep in mind that Boy Scouts(not Cub Scouts) are aged 12-18 years old. I most certainly knew I was straight by the age of 12, and even younger. At the age of 8 my buddies and I were sneaking peeks at my friend's dad's stash of Playboy and Penthouse magazines whenever the opportunity arose, and I was aroused by them even at that age. I'm sure most straight men know what I'm talking about.

Now, for your fear of homosexual men being Scout Masters(I'm assuming based on ignorance); Are you also afraid of straight elementary school teachers teaching your little girls? Or how about the straight high school swimming, tennis, or gymnastics coaches that teach and travel to distant overnight competitions with your teenage daughters?

I equate this 'fear' with the baseless rantings of parents and "stranger danger." I does not benefit you or your child one bit by living life in a bubble based on the miniscule potential for dangers and adverse possibilities in life.

I agree with Mitt Romney on this one so long as he continues to say the Boy Scouts "should" allow gays and not "must" allow gays. While I don't agree with the BSA, I recognize their right to have whatever archaic rules they want to have.

I am an Eagle Scout with Palms, I am an Order of the Arrow initiate, and I have considered giving back these awards and renounce the Boy Scouts in protest of this very stance on the issue which they have taken.