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Shout out to Ron Paul atheists

lately, I've noticed the atheists being pounced on and shouted down by all of the religious tit suckers on this site.

So let me get this straight. Brahma the creator, Vishnu the preserver and Shiva the destroyer don't exist. Odin the ruler of Asgard and Thor the God of Thunder don't exist. Ra the God of the Sun and Osiris God of the underworld don't exist. Etc Etc Etc . . . but somehow your Jewish God does exist. How convenient. So you're not comfortable with being ruled by Zionist bankers but have no problem with worshiping a non-existent jewish God. I'm just pointing this out, it's not a major concern of mine, your fantasy life is your business but stop shoving it in my face and expecting me to keep my basic common sense to myself.



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Thanks, that was awesome

My main purpose is to drive home the point that the RevoLution is not a Religious Movement. Yes, I do use provocative language, no apology for that, deal with it. Austrian Economics is reason based and therefor religion free. deal with that too.

You might be right. That

You might be right. That doesn't give you an excuse to be an asshole.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

But I am an asshole, would you prefer

that I misrepresent myself?

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This OP is as totally inappropriate as those

the poster is complaining about. Dr. Paul has shown this atheist that a Christian can be fully enlightened in humanity, kindness, generosity, tolerance for differences, love, peace, and consistent dedication to truth and virtue.

That many Christians and atheists could learn all of these from him is an understatement.

Your rant, uberpaules, is as collectivist and wrong headed as the ones you object to from some Christians. This site is about respect for Liberty as expressed by diverse individuals. And peace and good will are what makes that work.

lol

what garbage you spew. get over yourself and your internet clique haters.

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Religious "tit-suckers"

You have no understanding of what you're talking about but seek to offend those who do? If you don't believe in God why does it bother you when others do and (even though it's absolutely NOT a Christian thing to do) judge others based on what they understand to be God's teaching?
I was an atheist for many years myself and could argue against God with the best of them. I would never have considered calling Christians names because that would only show them that I was kind of a lowbrow and not worth trying to have a rational discussion with. Your fantasy life is your own business and your hatred of God is your business too. If Christianity is true you will spend eternity with God, like it or not, so it may be a good insurance plan to discuss your concerns rationally instead of resorting to insults.
Theism and atheism are both matters of faith; neither of us have any conclusive scientific proof about it either way. (I admit that I view all the universe as proof of God, but we all know that's my faith talking)

Some good points

But, no need to make things up. It's OK that you really were never an atheist. It does not increase your intellectual standing with non-believers to pretend that you were like them once. I personally accept your reasoning either way. I may not agree with it, but I can accept your personal justifications for your religious belief.

I know you were not an atheist because you used 3 classic fallacies in a row. "Hatred of God" is a strawman, I cannot hate the nonexistent. Then you throw in Pascals wager, which is easily dismissed. Then, the classic "atheism is based on faith" fallacy of a false dicotomy. It is impossible for a freethinker like myself to have "proof" of nonexistence. I could just as easily ask you for proof the magic purple leprechan that lives in my hat doesn't exist. I do not require proof, merely evidence which I can evaluate.

And yes, acknowledged existence of the universe is not proof of anything other than the universe exists. More "evidence" you were never an atheist, or at least one who knew what they were talking about.

And again, that's OK - I will give equal value to your thoughts without you being a "former atheist". No need for role-playing.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

I really used to be an atheist

I'm not making anything up. People can change. I did.

Of course you were....

It's OK. People can change. I'm going to become a Romney supporter.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Easy...

If you don't believe in God why does it bother you when others do

That doesn't bother us... feel free to believe what you want to believe, and we will do the same.

What bothers us is when those who do believe in God try to force their views on us, whether it's through the law, passive-aggressively blaming us for the "moral corruption of the world", or even the failed attempts by some to "convert" us.

What bothers us is when religious folks twist the Constitution by using the "freedom of speech" clause in the First Amendment to defend their ignorance of the part about Congress not passing any laws that favor one religion over another. Not having a national religion and religious laws was apparently so important to the Founders, they placed that part of the First Amendment BEFORE freedom of speech.

What bothers us is being laughably told that we're trying to "oppress" Christians by not wanting to have their views forced on us. How could we possibly "oppress" the powerful majority?

Now, don't get me wrong: I have plenty of respect for those who choose to follow a religion, but are open-minded and respectful of those who choose not to. Just don't conflate our anger at SOME Christians with hatred of ALL Christians.

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Fair enough

I agree with you.

I could definitely have said it better myself.....

First of all, while I am an "atheist" (one without a god belief), I hate that term. Everyone is an atheist towards Zeus, Thor, etc... I just happen to not believe in one more. I prefer the term freethinker or non-religious.

I agree there has been a lot of bashing on this site lately, and I think some provacateurs posing as Christian extremists have done a lot of damage in the last couple of weeks with anti-liberty comments about gay marriage and the like. However, your comment is not warranted against the vast majority of Christians here.

I personally get frustrated because they won't admit that the war on terrorism is really religious genocide. Most can't admit that it is the preachers that are using propaganda to drive the wars and the false left/right paradigm. And, there is never a shortage of the "not a real Christian" defense at almost any turn.

But, on the other hand, many of our friends here (and a much bigger percentage than in the real world) are against organized religion and keep their religious activity personal. Many a Christian on this site has successfully followed Ron Paul's example by not bringing their religion into political topics. And, almost all recognize the evils of Zionism and Biblical reclaimation.

I am former military and used to have a bumper sticker that said: "You're right, there are no atheists in foxholes.....we're too busy fighting" - along with a cartoon of the atheist outside the foxhole firing away while two weeping soldiers in the foxhole kneel in prayer. But, ever since being part of the Liberty Movement 5 years ago I threw that away. I know that war has always been about the man next to you. And, our Christian friends who have participated and been with Ron Paul all these years are fighters, and fight beside us. Because we are dealing with deathly serious issues on this site every day, it should matter not if the old man in the sky is imaginary or not. All that matters is freedom.

I guess I'm saying go ahead and defend yourself by all means. But, don't let unimportant issues rule the day.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Please note....

that this "Zionist conspiracy" nut doesn't speak for all Ron Paul atheists.

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Thanks

I'm with you on that.

I like your example.

Like Stephen Moleneux says, all people are already atheists, for about about 999 gods that are now or have been worshiped. Even though they hold on to one the concept of not believing what others do is not so foreign to them. (Sorry for incorrect spelling on name if I got it wrong.)

I never felt bashed by people her or I never paid attention to where it was going on.

I've felt the liberty movement is very tolerant of and accepting of people with no faith. I welcome the God and Country types to have more people in the ranks. I don't mind they have some belief that serves as their motivation. It's for people of faith and for people of none.

It certainly doesn't require belief. I think the religious types would agree. That's the beauty of it. I think it simply requires a respect for what we all know, hold and value, and that is life, which equals your past, your present and your future, to site The Philosophy of Liberty video.

OM?!

not another thread on atheists right before the convention.

"A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within" W. Durant

HERE! HERE!

well.....i think you were pretty well spoken, given that you didn't lay into anyone with COMPLETE profanity. yeah it's pretty upsetting when my best friends in this movement - who are so brilliant minded - still cling to the notion of some kind of deity that is watching what's going on around here like reality tv. i don't take offense because someone thinks differently from me, but i DO find the contradictions to be the most blatant of distractions. how do we fix anything on earth with our heads in the clouds? like some other future event could ever be better than now? like if there really is a god or gods - it or they are simply everything that exists - all of it together - which includes you and me - which is to say that if someone prays to it or they - that they are praying to themselves - which i admit sounds pretty good - like, you know, at the level where common sense resides. positive thinking would be my word for it. and having good thoughts for how things have been, are today, and will be tomorrow - there's nothing wrong with that. but the sick idea that something is going to save anyone from themselves - that's an old idea whose time has gone. it's a way of putting off the inevitable, the doing it yourself. those still clinging to the idea of a god, or a satan, still cling to that which has been used to control us for a very, very long time now.

Sorry, but religion is just a

Sorry, but religion is just a little too violent for my liking...

Genesis 22:2 – The God said, “Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about.”

Exodus 21: 15-17 – Anyone who attacks his father or his mother must be put to death. Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death. Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.

Exodus 21: 23-25 – But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

Or in Numbers where Moses was ordered by God to avenge Israel and destroy the Midianites culminating in acceptable rape of all the women: Numbers 31: 18 – But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

amazing that in 2012, people still believe in the magic man in the sky.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

i'll listen to you about biblical matters when you believe what

the bible says. otherwise, i know you're merely a scoffer gleaning scripture passages from other scoffers that they've heard from other scoffers, etc.. you've probably never bothered to read the verses in context and tried to understand why God would have said what He said.

an atheist is like a child who gets angry at his parent, turns his back, folds his arms, stamps his foot, and says, "I ain't got no daddy!" there is really no sense in arguing with someone who denies the truth he knows.

i hope for your soul's sake, you will seek truth. i've learned that for those who want truth, no obstacle is too high; but for those who do not want truth, any obstacle will do.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

God was constructed by man as

God was constructed by man as a way to answer the unanswerable questions, however it has been used for centuries as a tool to exert power over the weak-minded masses.

If religion is what brings you peace and a connection to community, good for you. As for me, I don't need this.

Just because you worship an unseen god does not grant you moral superiority over those of us that don't feel the need to bow at the feet of a master.

By the way, why do you think God even has time for you? Seems to me he's too busy watching over the athletes as they score touchdowns and hit home runs. They seem to think so anyhow.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

you speak as though you are the authority on the issue...

sorry but i'm not buying it. and no, i'm not superior to you--you and i are both humans created in God's image.

i hate it when people let religion keep them from God. but, i cannot convince you otherwise if you are determined not to see the truth.

just because people make foolish assertions doesn't mean God doesn't care about me (or them for that matter).

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

You forgot the part...

where God recommends that people cut their enemy into pieces and then feed the blood to their dogs. No wonder warmongering neocons love the Bible so much.

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Some Athiests like me

simply just don't want to submit to an authority that doesn't have absolute proof of existence and the way some religious folks make god sound like a tyrant and why would you want to submit yourself to such a tyrant, i would fight them to death to the very end if this afterlife existed if they threatened me.

Zionist Bankers

Lets not forget that Zionism is not a religion, but a political party, which is the same thing as the NEO-CONS we call here in the US. Zionism does not equal Judaism. Zionism equals Neo-conservatism. Zionist have control of Israel and the banks, but it's my understanding the the people of Israel are waking up, too!!!

History

I think those who are religious realize that there is something greater than ourselves out there, and their faith is their way of demonstrating that belief. Some take it too literal for my liking, but I understand where they are coming from. It does seem to have been beneficial to the human race. It has only been since the rise of Atheism that society has become demoralized.

I do not believe that Darwin's theory applies to humans. The leap that human evolution would have had to make in a relatively short period of time is just too great to be evolutionary. It seems to be appropriate in the animal kingdom but human history is far more complex than we can begin to fathom.

Seriously?

It has only been since the rise of Atheism that society has become demoralized.

How is that possible when Christianity has had all the power in this country forever? Seems to me that this "demoralization" that's supposedly occurring is the fault of Christians, as they're the ones largely in power and using the law to push their agenda.

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The people running things are

The people running things are NOT Christians. The Democrats are Jews and Atheists and the Republicans are christian in name only.

Check out this video and notice what he says at the end...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fQoGMtE0EY

So, evolution applies to the

So, evolution applies to the "animal kingdom" but not to humans? We ARE a part of the animal kingdom. That's part of the problem with people, especially religious people. They want to seperate humans from the rest of the animal kingdom. We're all animals. We're not "special" or superior. Humans are the worst part of the animal kingdom. One day we'll eradicate ourselves and the rest of the animal kingdom will live on, because we have this really bad habit of killing ourselves and everyhting else in the world.

Very Sad

I am very sad to hear you say that we are not special. This is what is wrong with mankind. When we believed we were special, the human spirit gave us Mozart, Beethoven, Jefferson and Franklin. Our Atheist society has given us Kardashians and idiocy.

We are of this earth and we are not. We seem to be some sort of hybrid. No other mammals on earth are even remotely close to us in our development process, thought process and everyday maintenance that humans require. Yes, we eat, poop, breath and yawn but that is where the similarities stop.

Are you kidding me!!!?

Are you kidding me!!!? Atheist society? What Atheist society? We still live in a predominately xtian society. Don't blame us for the stupid shit out there. How about the polio vaccine and modern medicine?
That was one of the dumbest posts I've seen in awhile. I wont even get into Jefferson and Franklin. And you want to speak of Atheists giving us idiocy? It's statistically proven that we average a higher intellect and IQ than the religious. If we followed religion from day one until now, we'd still be in the dark ages! They locked up Galileo for life because he said the Sun didn't revolve around the Earth! Now THAT is sad.

“The notion that human life is sacred just because it is human life is medieval.” - Peter Singer