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A quick question to the anti-Johnson people.

I understand that many of you can't vote for Gary Johnson for one reason or another, but what is the reason for your opposition to getting him into debates?

Personally, I would like to see ALL the candidates debate. I don't care for the whole polling threshold garbage. Polls are highly rigged anyway.

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Another question if Gary Johnson is concerned for the well being of what used to be the free country "AMERICA" why didn't he throw his weight behind Ron Paul ?? We're much stronger united..This goes for the Constitution Party and all the so called "Liberty" parties. I'm calling bullshit..sorry mods delete as you feel necessary.

Just one last kick in the nuts, then a final deathblow

Please Mods, don't delete

But I would like to point out that Ron Paul has endorsed Gary Johnson, and Gary Johnson has endorsed Ron Paul. In fact, this election season, Gary Johnson was the only other Republican candidate to say he would support the candidacy of Ron Paul after his own.

And by the way, yes, Gary Johnson does have a website. I don't see why that matters. As a Peace, Gold, and Love supporter, I am quite interested in what Gary Johnson has to say.

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

Oh wonderful, what a bunch of grown-ups we have here

I got a -1 for my comment.

Can anyone objectively look at what I said and tell me what was so offensive? Maybe my grammar was bad, or I logged in with the wrong username...yeah, that must be it.

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

You mut be new here.

You left an intelligent post that doesn't bash Johnson.
Your lucky to be at -1.

I voted you down.

Ron Paul has not endorsed GJ.

-1 for being a liar.

Thank You!

That is correct...RON PAUL.....DID NOT ENDORSE GARY...........

Let me repeat that:


"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

He will endorse...

... Gary Johnson. You are in for a rude surprise. It is in Ron Paul's interest that Gary Johnson does well in November. The fact that some people can't see this logic exposes their limited analytical abilities.

Plano TX

I'd Be More Inclined

To lend credibility to your rather pompous, ego-centric claims to brilliance above all who opine here, if you can do one thing:

Please predict the winning Lottery numbers for NYS Lotto.....

Otherwise, your bloated, elitist opinion demonstrates this:

Your "predictions" are no better than anybody else's here.....

...And that's what America is all about.

Perhaps you are further hampered in your understandings due to your inherent "British Empire Origins"....you needlessly worship a false idol such as GJ as much as that Queen you abandoned to come here.

And just as you abandoned the GOP (as you claim) yours is a skipping-record of abandoning causes....just as Gary will abandon you.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Do I get to -1 you if you're a liar? (=

No, I get to -1 you for any reason or no reason.

I am looking for the citation, but as I recall, Paul endorsed Johnson for NM Gov in 1994. Andre Marrou, whom I met in person when he was Ron Paul's VP runningmate, has already endorsed Gary Johnson. That's easy to find in Google searches. For lack of citation at this moment, I must yield until proof can be presented one way or the other.

But I will +1 you now, for being a total barbaric unreasonable rude so-and-so to the poster of this thread.

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

And in 1994

What was the price of rice in China?

Apples vs Oranges....that was then...this is now.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Uh what weight?

Ron Paul has far more support than Johnson.
Even Johnson supporters would vote for Paul if he gets on the ballot.
The question was: Why shouldn't we support Johnsons attempt to get into debates?

I am not trying to sway support in any direction.
It just seems that any mention of the guy creates a shit storm for some reason.

What's wrong with you

Go to your site, Daily Johnson or whatever you call it.

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

Well, hmm, that was rude

I'm getting rather cynical in my old age, and I've just about had it with this meaningless rudeness towards those who express any level of curiosity in Gary Johnson.

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.


... this treatment you are getting totally undermines the Ron Paul cause. The fact that so few stand up and defend you is even more revealing. I wish I had known, seen and experienced this narrow-mindedness earlier. I would have been better able to stomach the criticism of the media toward Ron Paul supporters. They actually had a point.

Don't back off. We have to show the world that Ron Paul has some decent, well-mannered and reasonable supporters who can debate an issue without name-calling, rudeness and bigotry. We have quite a job ahead of us over the next four month. I'm with you. Ron Paul deserves better.

Plano TX


My question was for Ron Paul supporters as to whether we should support his quest to get into debates.
Perfectly valid question here.
If I asked the same question at Daily Johnson, I already know what the answer would be.

Would you be so pissed if I asked about Virgil Goode?

So DO YOU think Johnson should be in the debates or no?

Your question is fake.

Please point out the Ron Paul supporters that don't believe GJ should be in the debate. There are none. So you post this fake crap to troll the DP for hits. I think you're neither a GJ nor RP supporter just some pos here to troll and cause divisiveness.

Well Here's One

That you didn't count on.

Johnson in the debates is unnecessary at this stage of "the game".

IF..allowed into a debate with RON PAUL vs OBAMA, it will just become another MSM THREE RING CIRCUS.

Come back AFTER the RNC Gary.

There are plenty more here who agree with this.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

There are a few if you go through the thread.

Not many however. I wasn't accusing anyone of anything so pointing anyone out is just useless and stupid.

Not a troll. Will never vote for Romney or Obama.

Will probably vote for Johnson , ONLY if Ron is not on the ballot.

I couldn't care less about hits.

Just because you don't like the question doesn't mean its fake.

I just went through the whole thread...

I count one person who said they don't want GJ in the debate.

Please point out the 'few' you saw. Or are you just a liar like that other GJ poster on this thread?

I count 2

and maybe one more but they didn't answer directly so I'll stick with 2.
Not that it's all that important as my intent was never to accuse anyone of anything.

Pearls before swine

Begging your pardon, but I suspect that the original poster's feeling that the Daily Paul community is against Gary Johnson being in the debates results from the high number of downvotes that any thread related to the matter gets from those who frequent the Daily Paul. From my own independent observation, being a Daily Paul addict, I find the same trend. It appears that even a passing mention of Gary Johnson is a guarantee of multiple down-votes before even any meaningful responses are posted.

To the original poster, I suggest that you very seriously consider the first sentence of the message posted by frzngds: "Please point out the Ron Paul supporters that don't believe GJ should be in the debate." Make your point. Give citations. Disregard the rest of frzngds' message. (-:

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

There are a lot of Obama and

There are a lot of Obama and Romney people here who want the liberty movement to DIE! They do NOT want the media talking about a "growing liberty movement" or "Look at the percentage the Libertarian Party got this year, Mitt could've won with half their voters!" They want you to go back to where you came from be the the R, D, or sit at home party, and never be heard from again! So they attack and divide.

The answer is the truth

and the truth is the answer. They want to make us think we're playing football and just have to take the ball further and further toward our own endzone as we try to outflank them.

Our earthly salvation will come by earthly rebirth, through the heart and the mind. When 99% (to steal a meme) know the truth that the 1% don't want them to know, then the 1% will simply starve to death.

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

i dont know that ive seen a lot of people in opposition to him..

being in the debates. i dont think thats an accurate assessment at all. i see people in opposition to voting for him, not in letting him debate.

theres a lot NOT to like about him. he strikes me as a guy who knows his niche, and courts those voters, but doesnt necessarily have the convictions behind his words. in that respect, hes no better than any other wannabe politician. i am interested in changing the way the republican party works and i see no long term benefit from voting for him. he is not the man to lead the way.

but by all means, id prefer to see him in the debates than out.

the easiest way to get something done isnt to change the behavior; its to change the meaning of existing behavior. like a cut isnt a cut, torture isnt torture, its enhanced interrogation. war isnt war, its kinetic military action. declaring war now appare

I see what you're getting at.

Vote for Romney and
you will change NOTHING.

Prove that a Romney republican can win a general election and you will continue to get more Romneys in future elections.

A vote for Romney helps no one except Romney and the "current" establishment.

apparently, you dont see what im getting at@

why on earth would you think everything i just about GJ doesnt doubly apply to romney?
im guessing you have one of these

the easiest way to get something done isnt to change the behavior; its to change the meaning of existing behavior. like a cut isnt a cut, torture isnt torture, its enhanced interrogation. war isnt war, its kinetic military action. declaring war now appare

There seems to be

some here who think getting Romney elected will somehow raise the importance of the chair positions Ron Paul supporters won at recent conventions simply because "our party" won.

I don't buy into it at all.

I mistaken you for one of them.
Perhaps i shouldn't jump to conclusions.

I love the

dopes who vote down a comment that explains and apologizes for a previous mistake.


I haven't read all of your comments that you have ever posted on DP, but frankly you have been a decent and respectful person, clearly just seeking truth and not being political about it.

Even in places like Daily Paul, expect to be swarmed by ignorants once in a while. (-: Or lots in a while if you use four-letter-words like "Gary" or "Rand".

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

Thanks to the few

who actually answered the question as to why Johnson should not be supported in his quest to DEBATE.
The question was not whether he should get your vote in November or not.

Most answers are policy differences or the usual he isn't going anywhere so he shouldn't be discussed.

These are not reasons to keep him, or anyone else, from debating.

I hope Johnson, Jill stein, and Virgil Goode are all present at the debates.
I don't care if I support them or not.

My vote in November is what matters.