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A quick question to the anti-Johnson people.

I understand that many of you can't vote for Gary Johnson for one reason or another, but what is the reason for your opposition to getting him into debates?

Personally, I would like to see ALL the candidates debate. I don't care for the whole polling threshold garbage. Polls are highly rigged anyway.




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There's no sense in even discussing

getting GJ into the debates. You have to get 15% nationally to get into debates and he'll be luck if he ever polls 5%.

Five percent is a lot! The

Five percent is a lot! The 15 percent rule is meaningless if Obama pushes to get Johnson in. I think Johnson would take votes equally from both parties but Obama may believe that he hurts Romney. If Obama wants him, no "rule" will keep Johnson out.

Wrong Website.

I like Gary Johnson. I just don't want to read about him on the Daily Paul. Please take Johnson Posts to the DailyJohnson. If Michael wants to create a Gary Johnson Forum, then posts about GJ can go there. If not, please stay on topic.

I encourage all people to agree with this message to stop replying to them and vote down Off Topic GJ posts.

Nope, Right one.

So I should ask Johnson supporters at his website why they don't want him in debates?
That makes no sense.
Maybe I'll go to Romneys website and ask if they think he's a tax cheat.

My question was to RON PAUL supporters, like myself, as to why we should NOT support his quest to get into debates.

You are using a canned response to any Gary Johnson moneybomb type post.
Read Then respond.

My friend, you are dead-on once again!

Truth Please, I hope you stick around a post a WHOLE LOT MORE! You have kept the gloves on and the language decent. You make sense, and you patiently deal with the....ahem....apparently LARGE number of people who think that Daily Paul is owned by Tumblr.

There are many here who can't read a whole post. You won't please them. But you SURE AS HECK please me. (= I hope I'm not the only one standing with you, but if I am, so be it.

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

I'm not anti-GJ and I am not

I'm not anti-GJ and I am not opposed at all to having him in any debates; on the contrary - I'd think he would add a voice to many issues I agree with. However, he doesn't inspire me much and he lacks charisma -both of which wouldn't matter much if I felt he had strong stances on issues that matter (like foreign policy) and if he were running as a Republican or Democrat. I would prefer my chosen candidates run as a R but for the right candidate I might consider switching to D if they really inspired me, stood strongly for the right issues, and had a good campaign plan. I won't go back to Libertarian until the laws are changed to even the playing field and to allow 3rd parties equal access to debates and media promotion, etc.

On the DP I don't care for the GJ promotion while RP is still in the game. I'm with RP and I intend to support our R liberty candidates and issues. I hope to become more involved in local R efforts so leaving the party to vote for GJ would be counter productive. I suspect many of the people that you accuse of being anti-GJ feel similarly.

Not anti-Johnson

This just ain't his website. It's just a little off topic at the moment.

See my post below...

... re the media's reaction...

It behooves us to consider how the media would react to a good or poor showing by Johnson. Johnson represents much of what we stand for, which makes this an ideal place to discuss the election with reference to the only anti-establishment candidate in the race.

Plano TX

The impostures here do NOT

The impostures here do NOT want anyone else exposed to the ideas of Liberty, they want it all to themselves.

?

You're joking, right?

I am not anti-Johnson. I am still pro-Paul.

Why do ya'll insist on Paul supporters giving up before the convention?

Even if Dr. Paul does not get the nomination, he will still get my vote. Can't ya'll understand loyalty? Why can't you start a Johnson site and quit harassing loyal Paul supporters?

Gary Johnson should be

Gary Johnson should be included in debates, but have not decided who I will support in November.

Consider the media's reaction...

Tell me why it would be a good thing if the media gloats for weeks on end if Johnson's turnout were less than 5%. There is only one conclusion that they would draw, namely, that the Ron Paul movement has fizzled. Now you might think that's daft, but the media does not care about truth, fact or proper analysis, they grasp the best and most convenient distortion and give it to the the public as fact. The public accepts it as gospel truth.

All that matters is how would the media interpret a weak Johnson showing relative the the Ron Paul movement. The Johnson haters are playing into the media's hands. The fact that one has to explain this to some folk here on Daily Paul belies the notion that Ron Paul's supporters are smarter than the average Joe in the Republican Party

Plano TX

How does this correlate?

I don't see how Johnson's number, up or down, have anything to do with Ron Paul's movement.

Unbelievable...

Johnson promised to bring the troops home, to balance the budget, to end the war on drugs and protect our civil liberties. Oh, sorry, we don't care a damn about these positions. Now please remind what the Ron Paul movement is all about?

Plano TX

Well....

Well right now, this site is about getting Paul elected, even though that is only part of what the Liberty movement is doing. As far as those other things Johnson supposedly promised, my question remains, "When has he stood for these things and how long?" Stick his record against his platform and let's see. Debt? Oh yeah. So when will he start walking what he talks if he can't run a campaign differently than all the neocons? Sorry, I still fail to see what all the fuss is about.

He just muddies the water on liberty.

I hear there are lots of people discussing him over at www.dailyjohnson.com though. Oh wait....

It muddies...

... the waters for those who can't chew gum and walk in a straight line at the same time.

It is in Ron Paul's interest that Johnson (who has promised to bring the troops home immediately, balance the budget immediately, end the war on drugs immediately and protect our civil liberties), do well in November. For those who denigrate Johnson and shower abuse on us, you are doing Ron Paul's cause no favor.

Plano TX

Don't have any real problem with GJ being in

debates. I would be willing to help him as much as he helped Dr. Paul in his run for the presidency this time around. Capeesh?

I capeesh!

I definately capeesh!

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"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Good answer - that says a lot

Good answer - that says a lot succinctly.

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I dont want gj in the debates because he is a distraction from the other two who are the same as Johnson and will water down any real movement in this country.
The people KNOW our two party system is rotten, to have a 3rd party(anyone other then RP) on the stage blurs that opinion.
GJ does not have the formula to win a presidential election.
He runs a campaign thats in debt.
He does not have any monetary training.
He is not smart enough to stand between obama and romney.
GJ is not conservative, which this country needs badly.
GJ has no organization and has no chance.
To be on the stage only tells sheeple there may be a third choice when we all know theres not. The only way into the presidency is through one of two doors.
everyone knows it and Ron Paul has said this.
I mean how can people be such MORONS? Does one really believe Ron wouldnt love to tell the republican party to go screw themselves, and go third party after all theyve done to him, and all of US??
Really???
cmon. why would one think he stays in, FOR HIS HEALTH INS?
no. Because theres no other way and he sees this way as the one that will win if he executes the right strategies and looks to history. which he does.
GJ does not have a key to either of those doors and will distract from our two party rotten system.
besides,
Only Ron Paul can get between romney and obama, and SLAM THEM with the book. Rons hands are clean and his record WELL established.
read that last line again.

any other election year I would say the more the merrier in debates.
not this year.
this year the two who are the same need to be exposed standing next to each other with no distractions.
GJ is a distraction away from that and is also a fraud.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

I'm not opposed to him being in debates...

I am for this site being focused on getting Ron Paul elected president. Just because I don't want the destraction brought by the constant Johnson jargon, doesn't mean I oppose him. It means this site is the Daily Paul and is meant (for the time being) to be a place to focus of electing Dr. Paul and keeping up to date with liberty issues, not the libertarian candidate. Surely he is part of the movement, yet he is not the focus of this particular site at this moment.

That's my opinion

Enonesoch

Well because the way the MSM controls the narrative

for starters or did you miss the debate where Paul only got 89 seconds?

We cannot allow that as an opportunity. He will be in the way.

I want to see Ron Paul toe to toe with the imposter Obama so he can tear that posing constitutional "scholar" the shreds in front of the whole world.

And Paul will do it of that I have no doubt.

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

Tear that posing Constitutional "scholar" to shreds.

PollMan, I love you man!

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"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

I don't care

if he is in any debates.

Consider the media's reaction...

Tell me why it would be a good thing if the media gloats for weeks on end if Johnson's turnout were less than 5%. There is only one conclusion that they would draw, namely, that the Ron Paul movement has fizzled. Now you might think that's daft, but the media does not care about truth, fact or proper analysis, they grasp the best and most convenient distortion and give it to the the public as fact. The public accepts it as gospel truth.

All that matters is how would the media interpret a weak Johnson showing relative the the Ron Paul movement. The Johnson haters are playing into the media's hands. The fact that one has to explain this to some folk here on Daily Paul belies the notion that Ron Paul's supporters are smarter than the average Joe in the Republican Party

Plano TX

The media COULD

come to the conclusion that Ron Paul supporters weren't fooled by Johnson. Where is the law that says RP supporters would automatically vote for the LP candidate? They showed what they were about when they ran Bob Barr. Ron Paul is unique, there is no one like him. A vote for RP rolls back the state...for sure. Which is why the establishment hates him so much.

It is not in the media's interest...

... to promote the idea that Ron Paul supporters weren't fooled by Johnson. It serves their purpose far better to use a poor Johnson to marginalize the Ron Paul movement. I know it takes some intellectual ability to debate a notion like without relying on meaningless one-liners.

"The media is toast" is a nice sound bite, but you have obviously not followed the primaries and noticed how powerful the media was in "securing a pathway" to the nomination for their wonder boy, mister money bags. He will reward them with $500 million in ad spending. Debate the issue rather use silly little one-liners. Ron Paul and his movement deserve better.

Plano TX

Please respond to the points

rather than opining them to be "silly one liners", denigrating what you consider to be my lack of intellect, and other ad hominems. Your seeming sudden concern for RP while promoting Johnson here is not convincing. The media has secured NOTHING. Romney has very little support. He is being ANNOINTED, not elected. His nomination is fraudulent with the MSM simply proclaiming that it is legitimate.

Responding to the points:

"come to the conclusion that Ron Paul supporters weren't fooled by Johnson."

Already covered that...

"Where is the law that says RP supporters would automatically vote for the LP candidate?"

You are half-illiterate if you can find anyone having said that there is a law that RP supporters automatically vote or the LP candidate. You are setting up a straw man and using that to make an argument. Pretty lame. (Now you can see why I chose not to respond the first time.)

"They showed what they were about when they ran Bob Barr."

This debate is not about Bob Barr - another straw man. I guess you are the one who should stick to the point.

"Ron Paul is unique, there is no one like him."

Again, nobody disputes this, but smart people have figured out that a vote for Gary Johnson is an endorsement of Ron Paul's positions. In the few debates that Johnson participated, he was very complimentary of Ron Paul. He told NPR the other day that he carries the torch for the Ron Paul message.

"A vote for RP rolls back the state...for sure. Which is why the establishment hates him so much."

It is difficult to respond to this point, because few if any can figure out exactly what you mean. We have already voted for Ron Paul, and if he is not the nominee, only GJ best represents the RP positions of limited government. The GOP establishment also hates GJ, which is why they banned him from the debates.

Plano TX