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Which states got screwed out of their delegates?

I'm not going to lie. Over the past couple of months, I've only been paying attention from a distance, after seeing first hand in MA that the system is completely rigged against the common person fighting against the establishment. I was a district organizer for District 8 in MA. While the GOP was well organized in our district, we still came within the margin of error considering provisional ballots for people who weren't on the list as being registered Republican in time (their candidates had around 125 votes, ours had around 120, and there were 9 provisional ballots for people who may or may not have been registered in time...we eventually proved that at least a handful had been). Alas, despite the establishment's promises, those votes were never counted. We would have likely won 2 of the 3 spots for our district, which would have upped our total delegates in MA to 18 of the 27 total. There were provisional ballots in 2 other districts as well.

At the end of the day, the MA GOP tried to make ALL of our delegates sign an affidavit stating that they'd vote for Romney at the convention. Some did, some didn't, but despite that, and despite the fact that there's nothing in the rules stating that anyone has to sign an affidavit, it's my understanding that all of our delegates were disqualified and replaced with official Romney delegates (some who ran, some who didn't).

Long story/long question short...I see that similar things have been happening in LA and ME as well. Did they lose ALL of their delegates too? Have other states lost theirs as well? Are there going to be ANY representatives of liberty/voices of dissent at the convention?

I am so disgusted at the state of the republic and the fact that the system is completely corrupt that I don't know what to do or where to turn anymore. Our government is owned and run by psychopaths from top to bottom and in every branch.



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Pretty Much The Majority Of States Have Been Screwed

Due to many common states having rules that bind and/or select delegates based on the rigged straw vote process that happened in virtually every state as the "Romney Crime Syndicate" traveled from state to state during this primary process.

So what is the solution?

I believe that our country needs to go back to free and fair delegate selection process in all states. Also, In my opinion, there needs to be a court case that ends up outlawing voting machines as a basis for counting votes whereas some sort of publicly viewed hand count type of process needs to be ordered. I believe the current "lawsuit" can be made a basis for this depending on how the arguments turn out. http://www.dailypaul.com/240012/delegates-to-the-republican-...

If a jury trial for this type of case is possible, this would be the best chance for this type of court ruling to happen since it appears that most of the judges in our court system are afraid to enforce the law, or afraid to nullify existing laws that are contrary to our Constitution, whereas many judges tend to stay away from issuing rulings that hurt the bankster NWO elites, likely due to threats I suspect. I believe at least there is still some protection for jurors to remain anonymous for the most part unless they choose to put themselves in the public eye.

The rigged voting machine results of the vote flipping has been a huge blow to the liberty movement as it gives the appearance that the public is voting for something that we are, in fact not. My question is how many government officials are now in office due to rigged voting machines? This could explain many of the more recent years legislation assaults on our constitution as voting machines have been fully implemented by the year 2000; "Votomatic style systems and punched cards received considerable notoriety in 2000 when their uneven use in Florida was alleged to have affected the outcome of the U.S. presidential election." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_machine

See these other articles and videos supporting the argument that voting machines can be manipulated to steal votes:

Deibold Voting Machine Fraud Exposed -- Ron Paul Votes Stolen? (2-16-12)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pehjtjWXA4

Watchdog Warns SEIU Contract for Nevada Voting Machines Poses 'Fraud' Concern
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/27/watchdog-warns-se...

Election Fraud And Diebold Voting Machines
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/09/28/election-fraud-and-d...

The fact is, is that the elite manipulators of voting machines have effectively stolen our elections especially since their inception around 10 years ago. This is interesting because it seems as a result of these elections, we have ended up with government officials that have made more than ever, extreme assaults on our Constitution and Bill Of Rights; Dodd-Frank Act enacted by US Congress 2010, a new regulation prohibiting US residents from trading over the counter precious metals, including gold and silver, went into effect in July 2011,.Patriot Act of 2001, Affordable Care Act of 2010, National Defense Authorization Act of 2011, and National Defense Resources Preparedness Executive Order March 16, 2012 to name a few... Prior assaults include The Ilegality of The 16th Amendment and Questionable Ratification Process, Federal Reserve Act of 1913, Roosevelt Gold Confiscation Order of 1933 leading to 1971 Nixon Announcement which ended trading of gold at the fixed price of $35/ounce.

But rigged elections didn't start in 2000, this is an older problem, moreso involving the inception and use of the Television to obtain News through Mass or Mainstream Media manipulation:

Rigged Elections
elite selection of candidates:
control of the US is too valuable for elites to let voters decide
http://www.oilempire.us/elections.html#oldproblem

Media manipulation may be actually the largest problem, since elite NWO monopolized mass media seems to be able to change opinion now to be possibly made worse this year as US House Passes Propaganda Bill: H.R. 4310 May 2012 http://www.nowpublic.com/world/us-house-passes-propaganda-bi... http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/new-bill-legalizes-gov... So effectively now the government controlled media could legally lie to everyone about everything.

Although propaganda has been a problem with governments manipulating people through disinfo ever since the beginning of time, the term "Fake" news could be a completely accurate description of what we find on all of the mainstream channels such as CNN, FOX, NBC, ABC, CBS, AP etc... as these are all government controlled and NWO influenced media channels as we seem to be in a full on information war at this time given all of the current events and politics not just in the US but around the world. I now only use my TV to watch movies and I have discontinued my individual DirecTV service. If I want news on a particular issue, I'll type in a general descriptive keyword and the results usually show all of the mainstream news sites with articles. Then for a second separate search I type in the same general keywords as I did initially plus "infowars" and/or "infowar" and then a third separate search with same general keywords plus "information war" and I get more of the alternative media sites on the latter two searches. Hillary Clinton did admit we are in an "information war" so I figure that added into the keywords could contribute to possibly more well rounded results...

I know it seems that getting on the internet is more time consuming but The MSM news really isn't even worth my time at all as I've found. Many Americans evidently feel the same as we see MSM ratings plummet as most regard the MSM news to be an attempt to make people believe in some kind of false reality. Latest big assault propaganda I'm seeing is the recent crap involving the Batman & Sikh shootings, Syria, Financial, and Election News whereas the MSM is continuously reporting either flat out lies or just half truths on the subjects leaving many with more questions than answers. Basically investigative journalism is dead in the MSM, they simply just read a teleprompter written from the NWO moderators. The pundits and anchors are just puppets of the NWO regime that has taken over our government for the most part...

The internet, which exposes the truth, as long as more legislation isn't passed assaulting the first amendment, I think will eventually eliminate the MSM problem, and will also help to reverse the assaults on our constitution in time due to enabling communication between activists. However, we are seeing retaliation by the NWO as they are increasingly attempting to force unpopular Cybersecurity legislation through congress which each bill one after the other over the past year has been trying to do essentially the same thing, to eliminate our first amendment rights on the internet while still allowing the MSM to spew their lies (SOPA/PIPA/CISPA and then the latest voted down in the Senate on Thursday was The Cybersecurity Act of 2012 which even tried to sneak in Gun Control!)

Many opposition groups, however, have been on top of this as it is being recognized that a free internet is essential to the people possibly breaking away from the noose that is becoming very tight around the neck of Americans.

As far as a replacement for voting machines once justice is finally served and making delegate selection free and fair again? In my opinion, I think we should go back to electing government officials at delegate conventions where vote counting can be monitored more closely.

One interesting result of the more publicized increased focus on the delegate conferences by the Ron Paul campaign, is that allot of problems with the delegate selection and convention voting process have been brought to light moreso than ever before. Before, even the idea of rigged voting machines didn't bother me as much until I saw first hand over the past few months how the delegate conventions are evidently rigged as well.

Basically, I am now convinced that our voting rights have essentially been eliminated at this point and I am afraid to think how these rights could be regained other than through court cases as I mentioned above, or through a possibly violent revolution or civil war? The Revolution, however, I'm sure "will not be televised..." The media continues to refuse to report on incidence of complete election fraud that has happened across our entire country since the beginning of this year. The MSM handling of this issue alone actually was the last straw for me in deciding to not watch anymore mainstream media.

Free and fair delegate conventions, I believe is how elections were handled in the earlier days of our country. For example, we go to our precinct caucuses to elect our precinct delegates. Those delegates then go to attend the city, county, district, and state, and national delegate conferences to vote on their precincts behalf.

I'm thinking a simple proxy type rule can be enacted for each party as law whereas once a person chooses their party affiliation, they agree for their precinct delegate(s) to collectively carry their vote via all delegate conference levels. This would effectively eliminate participation in general elections once a party affiliation having a proxy type of rule is established by an individual. General elections will still be held however, but the only voters that participate would be those who are declared as Independents or a party that hasn't declared a proxy type of rule.

For example, in a city who is having a general election for mayor, there is a city Republican delegate conference held where at the conference a Republican nominee is chosen by the delegates as Mayor. This would be after the Republican proxy rule is enacted. And let's say there are 1million registered republican voters in that city. Therefore, the Republican nomination by the delegates will count as 1million votes in the general election. Consequently, Democrats can enact the same type of system, if they choose.

The same type of system can apply to electing all government officials whereas depending on the level of the official position, depends on which conference the nomination takes place. For example, a state governor position is nominated at the state convention, or District Congressional House Of Representatives nominations take place at the district conventions, county sheriff would be nominated at the county delegate convention etc... Of course this would mean that in general, more delegate conventions would need to take place on a more regular basis whereas delegates would have much higher responsibilities than now, but it seems this would be a better step in the direction of fair elections as a Republic should ideally hold. Anyway, I'm sure this system sounds so simple it may be impossible to implement, right?

Who knows what solution will ultimately be decided upon, but I'm sure the consensus is that something will need to change, and we may be forced to make these types of decisions sooner than later as it seems our national government continues to spin out of control by enacting laws and regulations and seeming to be signing treaties that are clearly against the will of the people which is leading to very hot water.

I hate to say it again, but many believe given how things are going, some are saying Civil War by 2016 as states are preparing by taking measures for declaring sovereignty from the federal government already State Sovereignty Movement Quietly Growing http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/02/09/state-sovereignty... ...

The same sort of thing happened I believe in the years prior to the Civil War where there were rebelling states on the issue of slavery involving sovereignty... "As the South recognized that control of the government was slipping away, it turned to a states' rights argument to protect slavery. Southerners claimed that the federal government was prohibited by the Tenth Amendment from impinging upon the right of slaveholders take their "property" into a new territory. They also stated that the federal government was not permitted to interfere with slavery in those states where it already existed. They felt that this type of strict constructionist interpretation of the Constitution coupled with nullification, or perhaps secession would protect their way of life." http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/civilwar/a/CivilWarCause... Although we are not talking about slavery now, the sovereignty movement among the states seems to be more about the Federal Government not enforcing many areas of The Bill Of Rights, and specifically again, the Tenth Amendment.

-LibertyG ... 2 Corinthians 2:16-17 "To some we are a scent of death leading to death, but to others, a scent of life leading to life. And who is competent for this? For we are not like the many who make a trade(for profit) but as those with sincerity...

Police state

I love prayer but prayer require action, we all must continue to move forward, the action that God is going to bless thru are prayers, the mighty giant is BIG (federal Government) is only one, WE THE PEOPLE are much more then they are, we can't no longer go thru the system, We must rise up in multitude of numbers and protests the system, as much as I like to believe that if Ron Paul runs for president the system will make him loose, we must unite , they are all ready waiting for this up rise
they made laws so they can kill us or make us look like we are the enemy of the state, in my view it is over thru the system, if I'm wrong please let me know.

this is pore legal Mexican that loves freedom

Cacama

Whichever ones had Ron Paul

Whichever ones had Ron Paul delegates.

WA. When i look at the status

WA. When i look at the status quo republicans, they all self proclaim to be loyal to the party and the republic. They are self righteous. Many of them, perhaps most of them, are self righteous "christians". But now ive learned to accept the reality of the world. Even if we can get Paul as president, it will not last. The country, and indeed the world, is constantly and persistently under attack, mostly thru leaders and legislators from within. Im tired of the stresses and frustrations that come with politics. Its not a healthy life. I think the best thing to do is keep up the fights we must do, but at the same time get right before God, first and foremost.

CO

Here in CO there have not been any challenges that I know of to our national delegates.

I am a state delegate and we definitely made our presence known at our convention. A notable part of that convention was when one of the Ron Paul delegates got up to speak and pulled out a hawaiian machete and said to vote for Ron Paul. That was awesome.

Anyways. Colorado here and representing. It is hard to compete with NV for our national gold medal for liberty but dang... it is fun.

The corruption of the election process

is surreal. It is like something out of an upside down value system. The only thing that counts in the end is the AGENDA. Who's agenda? Some invisible hand behind the scenes has already determined who will be the next president of the USA. WHO sits in the seat of power is irrelevant, so long as it is an unprincipled, unintelligent, weak person, who can be controlled.

This is happening worldwide. Insane wars and staged mass killings are all part of the control agenda. There is a group of psychopaths that are ruling the world. There are many people so dumbed-down they do not even know what is going on.

Nothing to do but keep on walking because there is no going back to sleep once the truth is seen. Let us stand firm and keep up the good fight. To the good people of the USA, you are not alone. Many in the world stand with you!

Thank you Ron Paul for the lessons in sanity, honor, and integrity.

I hear your frustration!

As an older man (Vietnam era), I can tell you that what you are experiencing now, my generation has been trying to deal with for decades. This isn't new. (Diebold, etc. may be) but the vote, parties, corruption, banker influence has been going on since at least the civil war. It is high time for more drastic measures because as you can see the "playing by the rules" game doesn't cut it. I do not advocate violence but I do advocate getting out of "their" game by all means necessary. Ron Paul is our last chance, IMHO and if they succeed in preventing his nomination, it is game over for the citizens of this country...I'm going back to my foxhole now.

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves." William Pitt in the House of Commons November 18, 1783
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National delegates elected by elected local delegates.

So called super delegates are selected by Party bosses.

Next time around we need more popularly elected delegates.

In the mean time the liberty message and a demand for a return to Constitutionally limited government should keep us busy.

Free includes debt-free!

I HEAR YOU -

I have pretty much reached that point as well. Because the political system is owned and operated by the two parties; they rig the caucuses with last minute rule changes and and blatant disregard for the existing rules, they influence the primary voters with same stream media propaganda supported by big special interests with no cap on spending, and they work in cahoots with each other to keep out any one that is not a Republican or Democrat. So....where does that leave the average working class person, the single dad or mom, the tradesman, the small business owner? It leaves us with NO VOICE. NO effect on the overall out come of the election process. We can bring in HUGE crowds and take in loads of donations from common people....but the powers that be have a monopoly on the media and the two parties have the power to shut down any movement.

I am not sure where things go from here. I know I am disgusted with our political system and it's leaders. Maybe I just do my time...try to retire and enjoy life....and pray for a miracle to change things.

Pray for a miracle

I agree, and unless the very hand of Almighty God intervenes, we most likely will never have a "next time around".

Keep the faith everyone and keep praying!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

You are spot on Holbrook.

There is POWER in prayer..and we must pray that God intervenes in this nightmare BIGTIME by Nov. There is SO much evil in this empire that all we have left is Prayer and the 2nd. Amendment. And watch and see what happens to the 2nd Amendment in short order..things are going to get ugly no matter who is Commander and Chief..at least with the honest Dr. as POTUS we know we will be heading in the right direction...PRAY PEOPLE...pray.

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He has just delivered me from a great trial of 4 years

And how very thankful I am. I will not devulge for personal reasons but He has greatly and compassionately delivered me!

I praise Him and am in awe of His power and the amazing way He works.
He hears the cries of His people and delivers them.
I will praise the Lord always and I know you will too brother!

Let us also keep one another in prayer!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~