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You are being gamed by the system

Just to get some things clear...

Gary Johnson started his 2012 presidential run a month before Dr. Ron Paul decided to run.
The establishment did to GJ's GOP run what it did to RP in 2008.

How can you be a "neo-con" when you say you want to cut 43% of the military budget?

Gary Johnson is as much a neo-con as Buddha or Mother Theresa was.

Johnson does not run against Dr. Paul.
Gary runs against the establishment the status quo holding America and most of the world prisoner.

Gary is a 59 year old patriot whose heart told him to just run and win it and help restore the Republic -- and that's why I as a volunteer in his campaign give all I have to help him out in his blessed fight.

And Sunday was a very good day for Liberty.
Romney is in big trouble when #GaryJohnsonSays is trending in most American cities on Twitter.

You are being gamed by the system.
Stand up for freedom and join patriots who keep words of Aaron Russo and George Carlin in their hearts.

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Gary Johnson...Gary Johnson...

Ok, we get it. Gary Johnson...the truth of the matter is a strong showing by the Libertarian Party may create a debate scene with three contestants, but I doubt it. They'll change the rules...and force the two party system agenda.

Flag waving to follow a route that has failed a hundred times over is not the solution. The only way is to restore one of the primary parties to their roots, a government for the people, by the people. There is no other solution.

Certainly, Gary Johnson will receive many a protest vote against the GOP should they not adequately respect Ron Paul or the idealogy he returns to them. Yet, ranting that Gary Johnson is the solution is foolish...he's not. There's no guarantee that he's going to be the only option either.

I don't think Ron Paul will undermine the efforts to restore the GOP by endorsing GJ and subjecting the RP Republicans to exclusion in the party they've so thoroughly collaborated. So, likely the GOP will snub Paul, and lose at the ballot box...and likely Gary Johnson will be the only viable option, but we're not their yet. So calm your jets...we're all in this for the same thing and it is not just to get any one man elected.

Vote for the lesser of 2 evils? I think not!!

Say NO to Johnson unless he cuts all ties to the CFR!!

He is one fraud I sure won't miss!
http://www.cfr.org/experts/world/douglas-turner/b11203

Ah, George Carlin... :(

Anybody else wish he were here right now, he'd probably use his jokes to ease the pain.

the time is now

Vote Third Party.

(you can bet that RP will be saying this again as he did in 08)

because you can not trust the 2 party system.

Gary Johnson
Dr. Stein

whomever - anyone who is non-intervention (even if just 75%) is way better than the status quo.

Boy oh boy..

I've just read the post and the comments and goddamn! A treasure trove of conjecture. I LOVE Dr. Paul. I've been on the man's trail for over six years now. I dig the jib and jive of Gary Johnson too. I'll say that he's a little unsure on certain aspects of his own philosophy but aren't we all? Just a little? A true skeptic would be a little skeptical of himself. I am. Christopher Hitchens almost once made me skeptical of my view of the Iraq war. He lost. Sadly he also died. I stuck with the fact that Iraq was a useless venture. Sure the person who posted this is likely a "shill"(a word I am increasingly annoyed by within our movement...it's becoming as as annoying as the Wayne's World "not" that everyone latched on to) for Gary Johnson, but come on people please. You KNOW Johnson will not become president. Too many are either intellectually or politically retarded, or both, to ever elect Johnson. And if and/or when all fails for the Paul candidacy I will support Johnson. Johnson knows Johnson isn't going to 'win'. But can we have a vote of dissent? Can we have a vote of no favor for the two party establishment? Can we, in our huddled masses give a 'fuck you establishment!' vote in Johnson's direction? Is that so hard? If you don't budge an inch you won't be given an inch. In '08 Barr was a ridiculous candidate. He stood for nothing I believe in. Oh wait, he had an epiphany. So what. At least Johnson has a proven track record on issues that matter most to me. Is he perfect? No. Is Ron Paul? Well, I'm a 'pro-choice' atheist and I still have supported him with dollar and sweat for six years. This banter needs to end. If not Ron, then Gary as the vote of dissent. Don't worry, Johnson won't be president, but if he were, would it not be better than Mittens or Obummer?

Gary Johnson is a CFR paid plant. Of course he's not Ron Paul...

He's Obama, and therefore is an even better pawn for them to use.

how much does the CFR pay you

to come here and shill for their shill? Johnson was in the GOP as the anti-Paul they feared a 3rd party run and moved him to the LP to block that a move which got his CFR handler Doug Turner a promotion in the CFR. GJ is less convincing than Bob Barr and yet claims to have been libertarian for over 10 years. His record is neocon his advisors are neocons. His rhetoric is slowly being tuned to be almost libertarian of course you have to ignore the flip flops to believe it and that's harder than mittens cause he's flipped even more. He still supports "humanitarian wars" has no clue what the non aggression principle is, Loves the FED and is blowing smoke on everything else. Tell me about his record the real one. How many non violent potheads did he pardon? Oh how about how much Federal money he spent? Maybe you're a true believer but you have been had. Go look up Ronald Reagan's campaign rhetoric and what he actually did. GJ is the CFR's tool to neo-con the LP like they did the GOP, with the help of the Koch funded "libertarians. Think about that a minute what kind of libertarians do you think are funded by the guys who funded the co-opting of the tea party? http://www.cfr.org/experts/world/douglas-turner/b11203

Damn, is the CFR hiring?

...and to think I've been posting my opinions for free all this time....

Childish and unconvincing...

Nothing you say in your post is anything but your opinion. Over the time that LL has been here he has proved that he is, if nothing else, very sincere. If you think you have something to the contrary post it. A little blurb about Doug Turner holds no water in any real argument. Doug Wead was Captain Scumbag for years but most new people here (like you) love him with a passion.

The central question here is this; assuming Ron Paul does not seek the nomination or become nominated, which candidate is most likely to implement the most liberty centered polices with the least tyrannical approach. Do you have a better plan or are you, by definition, trolling this thread?

I don't have all of the answers and I don't trust GJ. I don't trust ANYONE in politics. However, I'd rather take a chance with an unknown than fall into the establishments trap and watch as Obama and Romney debate nothing. Four more years of TPTB becomes a certainty.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

Kanehbos: One Minor Correction

.. GJ is the CFR's tool to neo-con the LP like they did the...
........TEA PARTY.......

Thanks for the link also, this comment is the truth, and needs to be stated.
There are so many "PLASTIC LIBERTARIANS" amongst us, Gary is one.

Thanks for shining the light.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

I remember Carlin was apolitical

He refused to vote in elections. Not sure what Russo thought about voting.

If we're being gamed by the system, the only sane course of action is to quit the game. Why lend it any credibility by participating?

Oh please, you really think Johnson is here for 'help'?

You really think Gary Johnson beating Mitt Romney is going to help us?

If all these Republicans switch and vote Johnson, that will only make the establishment laugh with glee. If Johnson got second place, they already succeeded and duped the liberty movement single handily with one candidate.

While everyone was focused on dangerous Mitt Romney, Ron Paul's sails were cut off and the non-thinking population ran into the arms of Gary Johnson who is one of the most deceitful ever!

That means they win even more of their real mission, because the devil you don't know is always the most cunning & dangerous....
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?380601-Gary-John...
Johnson supports Casino privatization, super highways and ridiculous things like DARPA. The very fact that Republicans everywhere are falling for the scam, is absolutely detrimental to freedom.

Freedom doesn't compromise and there is some real junk that Johnson voted for over ten years in office that no libertarian believes.

Nonsense...

"If all these Republicans switch and vote Johnson, that will only make the establishment laugh with glee. If Johnson got second place, they already succeeded and duped the liberty movement single handily with one candidate."

Why would they laugh? Romney and Obama ARE the establishment. TPTB don't care, at all, which one of them gets elected. If Ron Paul is no longer in the race nothing you say here is relevant.

"Johnson supports Casino privatization, super highways and ridiculous things like DARPA. The very fact that Republicans everywhere are falling for the scam, is absolutely detrimental to freedom."

Ok... but Obamney supports wholesale tyranny. Put those two into your liberty scales and set your priorities.

"Freedom doesn't compromise and there is some real junk that Johnson voted for over ten years in office that no libertarian believes."

True. Real freedom doesn't compromise. However, we don't live in a perfect or ideal world. With no compromise comes NO freedom. The alternative to Johnson WILL cram tyranny down our throats as they murder people around the world. I'm not willing to let that happen so I can stand on my soapbox and feel principled.

My priorities are to promote liberty in any way, to any extent possible. In my opinion, doing otherwise is selfish and absolutely "detrimental to freedom."

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

Your retort, is called being hypocritical....

"Ok... but Obamney supports wholesale tyranny. Put those two into your liberty scales and set your priorities."

So now you are suggesting the whole movement start doing what the lemmings do, vote for the lesser of two evils?!

What was that? Oh I'm sorry, I couldn't help notice that this (supporting socialism) is exactly what you suggest. Allow the Republicans to vote for more evil, Gary Johnson, rather than someone who stands up for freedom.

No way. Going all the way with Ron Paul with the nomination and most certainly Rocky Anderson.

hmm

Johnson said he will repeal the Patriot Act NDAA close 80% of military bases around the world cut pentagon spending by 43% get out of Afghanistan right away...

He wants to cut big govt more than Ron Paul's plan said!
1,4 Trillion dolars!

He said he was detained by the TSA...he said he smoked pot for 3 years after an accident and it helped bring him back to good health.
He said he will pardon non-violent drug offenders...he will end the war on drugs which is in fact a war on the people.

But yeah he is "bad" because he is for gay marriage...lol

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Rhetoric

like Obama saying he would end wars close gitmo, protect MMJ patients rights... Oh but a CFR puppet with a L after his name won't lie like the ones with R or D do? wake up. Not to mention just days ago he was all for keeping our bases particularly in Afghanistan. Do you only hear him when he says what you wanna hear and ignore what he said elsewhere? Oh yes I know he "climbed" Everest, Actually he was guided to the top like the other fad "climbers" A booming business for the people who actually know how and go prepare the routes for the clients. Or maybe you'd like to tell me what other mountains he actually climbed in preparation since this seems to be such a qualification. How many pitons did he use on the Eiger for example? or even on Everest?

Don't be foolishly naive....

Johnson could handle any office, including Governor.
Presidency though he's not cut out for that job at all.